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The thing about custom ROMs...

I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?

I love the custom ROMS. No complaints from me. I prefer some version of CM...usually AOKP. They are always upgrading it, so there are some small problems with it at times but I really enjoy it too much to complain or go back to stock. Don't get me wrong stock is very smooth with few problems.
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K3lthuzad said:
I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?
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I love the roms and never have problems with them. But i always end up back a stock. Even if the rom i m on :s fine
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Nexus without custom roms . ohh my just sounds wrong.
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...

Cyanogenmod works perfectly on both my phone and nexus 7. It's the best of both worlds really. Clean stock look but with a sprinkle of customization.
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You have to figure that 98% of us wouldn't be on this forum if we weren't using or interested in using custom ROMs.
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pre-Gingerbread --> custom ROM required
post-ICS --> stock is fine
My bootloader isn't even unlocked on my N7 and it's only unlocked on my GN so I can flash updates once OTA or images are posted.

I agree that all the roms are great. My favorite is PA, love that rom. But after a while i just feel like going back to stock. But then its not long before i am back on pa.
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I don't like custom Roms on devices that have the latest version of android available. I just root. Adding a custom kernel only makes things unstable.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807

erica_renee said:
I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...
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I agree with the OP on ROMS, I haven't found one "better" than stock yet. Different yes, more/other customizations, yes. But so far not better. Yes, the devs do this for free, and for their own reasons. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't state our preferences. There are kernels that improve the device greatly, running one myself. But I've tried more than half a dozen custom ROMS and none gave me anything that would make me stick with it. Always went back to stock.
Not knocking all the hard work and effort. It's pretty amazing what some of these devs come up with, wish I had the knowledge and skills they have. Might try to pick up some basics, just so I understand more of everything involved with it. But I'm a system guy, not really a software dev.

Keep in mind we are nitpicking, custom features on new code it takes sometime implement them properly. I am rocking stock at the moment with stock recovery just cause Google is moving fast this time of year.
So take any bug with the custom Roms like this, yes it has more features, you may or may not be affected by bugs. If that bothers you then rock stock. Cause once cm hits stable that's when everything usually falls into place.
Just hopefully we can have less people posting silly complaints on in process releases. Go look in the Ubuntu thread, some user is just posting "its slow" or " there is no reason to use this" as if was a final product makes me smh
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Soldier-2Point0 said:
Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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Nothing better than pure stock Android on a NEXUS device. Period.
It's different on a non nexus Device due to carrier's skins but on a NEXUS device come on people you know there's nothing better than pure stock.
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We shoul be lucky we have so many options for our Nexus 7, Stock ROM is rock stable and smooth , and to add to that we have almost 7-8 different custom ROMS which are also stable each with their own features and 3-4 different kernels to play with
I am flashing different ROM every 4-5 days
Play around people thats what I like about Android - complete control of your device and Nexus - quick latest stock updates and lots of custom development

Agreed, I prefer stock rom, but also I like to root it, and change fonts...

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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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I'm not too into the roms in android development either, the ones in original development are pretty damn good though and eclipse Rom is really fast, I was into the stock only phase till 4.1.2 and imo development seem a lot better and roms just seemed actually faster than stock to me, rasbean, eclipse, pa, and bugless beast seem to do the trick for me
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Well you obviously haven't tried the RasBeanjelly ROM from rascarlo. When you try that one and the latest Trinity D-07 kernel, then you can talk about going back to Stock ROM.

leelaa said:
How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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http://fitsnugly.euroskank.com/?rom=rasbeanjelly&device=grouper
But no tablet UI, so no good for me. Great apart from that!
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Awaiting My Nexus 7, need some input

I was so excited to get my Nexus 7 a day early. It came today and I immediately started setting it up. Shortly after turning it on, the screen would do things on its own or just not respond to my touches. It did sometimes. Very disappointed. So RMA'd it and awaiting my replacement. (Anyone else hear of this?)
Anywho, while I'm waiting, time to get a plan. I have already downloaded the Nexus 7 Toolkit and plan to use that to get me rooted and a recovery. (Is this the most common method for N7 users?) Also, any input on a recovery? I've been using CWM since I started using Android, but it seems TWRP is getting a lot of attention.
Lastly, the dreaded ROM question. I currently run CM10 M2 on my Nexus S 4G and... eh. CM9 ran great, but been having alot of reboots and freezes on M2. I know it's not stable so I don't hold it against them.
What's everyone's favorite on the Nexus 7?
Things I look for in a ROM, stability and nice tweakable features. I don't OC, never will. I was eyeing up Paranoid Android, but not sure how stable it is. CM10 worries me only because of my experience with my phone so far, but I love CM based ROMs. I've never had much luck with AOKP. Am I missing any big names or great ROMs that I should consider besides Paranoid, CM10, or AOKP?
Thanks in advance.

Best ROM threads suck, even more when they are polls.

You know, its people like you that give xda a bad rep for being arrogant and unhelpful. This isn't a "best ROM" thread. I'm basically asking peoples opinions and experiences ofthe ROMs I listed and maybe some ROMs that are hidden gems .

when my N7 comes; first thing going on it is Paranoid.
no doubt.

wavrunrx said:
when my N7 comes; first thing going on it is Paranoid.
no doubt.
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Awesome, see that's the input I'm looking for. Why though? What's catching your eye? I seen on their thread that Paranoid isn't the most stable ROM, I wonder the reason for that. Only issues I've read about is people changing their DPI to something the N7 can't handle. What about recovery? CWM or TWRP?

Just my opinion but just try stock for a while. We already have the most up to date technology so why overclock? All games run well except Gameloft games and that's because they don't optimize for tegra processors. I don't change ROMs until the company stops supporting the newest updates.
P.S. there's always one in every crowd

kieso said:
Just my opinion but just try stock for a while. We already have the most up to date technology so why overclock? All games run well except Gameloft games and that's because they don't optimize for tegra processors. I don't change ROMs until the company stops supporting the newest updates.
P.S. there's always one in every crowd
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Yeah. He's right... I'll get my 32GB N7 today, and the first thing I planned is not to root it... First of all to wait if some of those damage problems arrive (I'm lazy so I don't want to unroot when something's wrong..)... And I'm very happy with stock... Android really grows... And I taught myself to live with the quick settings... So, I see no need. I don't really need colored stuff, or idk.
I recommend you to just use stock for a while and when you don't like it, you can still root it ^^ idk how it arrives (locked or unlocked) but you may want to unlock the bootloader first, before really setting it up. So when you going to root it, you won't lose data ^^
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Yea, that was another idea. If I stay stock, I'll root it then stay stock. Get a feel for the tablet ways before deciding to go with a custom ROM, which looks like is gonna be paranoid so far... but yea, like I said, def no over clocking. That quad core the n7 is packing will be sweet enough. Any recs on which recovery? Are there any big differences that might sway my decision to one?

personally im going to go TWRP on my nexus 7. my SGS3 has it; its an evolution of CWM imho

infamshxr said:
You know, its people like you that give xda a bad rep for being arrogant and unhelpful. This isn't a "best ROM" thread. I'm basically asking peoples opinions and experiences ofthe ROMs I listed and maybe some ROMs that are hidden gems .
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I've been enjoying my time on the linaro builds of aokp. Nice and snappy, the best kernel I've used to far has to be Trinity IMO, you can tweak CPU and GPU settings. I just wish it would run in tablet mode, still waiting on a patch for 4.2. As for recovery I've always been a cwm man but recently switched to Twrp, it has a nice interface and lots of options. Oh and BTW the nexus 7 toolkit is AWESOME, within 30 minutes of unpacking my N7 I had it unlocked, rooted, recovery, and super usered. And it does this with one click, you sit back and it does the rest.....that is after you make it install the adb drivers for you.
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I like that twrp is all touch. Any other big advantages? As far as CPU and GPU settings, meh... lol that and I would like something running 4.2 and something that isn't gonna seem like I'm using a 7" phone lol

Fast and Very Light ROM

Hi,
I'm looking for a fast and light ROM. I have a Nexus 4 now so my tablet is pretty much just used for taking notes at University and watching the occasional YouTube video.
I looked and managed to find AOKP M6 Slim, however this seems to be discontinued and as a result, outdated.
If installing a more feature-heavy ROM and removing features is viable, could someone point me in the right direction to do that?
Thanks in advance.

codefireX.
Best ROM available, performance wise.
Still very rich in features and customization. Includes option to turn off nearly all aftermarket customizations and features, besides performance ones.
I highly suggest pairing with motley kernel.
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Cm10.1
Super close to stock. They're really up on responsible coding. Nothing that goes against AOSP. All about just working.
I usually go in through titanium backup and remove programs I don't need
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I like Paranoid Android but you are going to get a different response from everyone. PA runs really smooth for me. It is not as feature filled as a lot of the other roms but gives some nice customization options. PIE control is also really nice as it allows you to take advantage of the entire screen.
The bottom line is that the only way to find the best ROM for you is to do some research and flash a few different ones. Try them for a few days and then switch if you are not pleased/get bored.

liquid smooth
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Rasbean. But that's the benefit of owning a nexus, you have so many options.
But I'm pretty positive once you flash rasbean, you won't flash anything else. I would advise flashing other roms first and then go to rasbean. You'll notice the difference.
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Carbon is smooth and customizable. My new favorite
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I love that everyone posted a different ROM.

I fell in love with Xylon, it has A TON of features and customizations. I think it borrows (kang) popular features from a lot of ROMs and all the features are optional. Not to mention the ROM is super fast and smooth which I wouldn't expect from A ROM with so many features.
I personally use the custom faux kernel with it, makes the ROM that much slicker, and my battery lasts for an entire day.
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To all Cm 10.1 users
I'm on stock ROM 4.2.2 , it's pretty fast stable and battery life is much much better than my previous phone GS3.
CM10.1 was unstable on GS3 and had alot of bugs.
Any annoying bugs on Cm10.1 for N4?
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uronfire said:
To all Cm 10.1 users
I'm on stock ROM 4.2.2 , it's pretty fast stable and battery life is much much better than my previous phone GS3.
CM10.1 was unstable on GS3 and had alot of bugs.
Any annoying bugs on Cm10.1 for N4?
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The bugs on the Samsung are due to the difficulty obtaining sources from Samsung. No such problem on the Nexus, and CyanogenMod is as stable as stock and you get the extra features to boot.
ALL of the roms for the Nexus 4 are fast because the phone is fast. I doubt anyone could tell the difference without running benchmarks so you should really just try a few and make a choice based on which feature set you like.
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dr.m0x said:
The bugs on the Samsung are due to the difficulty obtaining sources from Samsung. No such problem on the Nexus, and CyanogenMod is as stable as stock and you get the extra features to boot.
ALL of the roms for the Nexus 4 are fast because the phone is fast. I doubt anyone could tell the difference without running benchmarks so you should really just try a few and make a choice based on which feature set you like.
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You sir are correct. CM10 on Nexus 4 is the best combination of lightweight and customisable so far that I've seen.

This is borderline a "which is the best ROM" thread and we all know how those turn out. Every ROM I've ever seen claims to be "light and fast" either directly or indirectly..
To the OP.. There are piles and piles of people making ROMs and kernels for this phone. It's one of the most active development communites I've seen in ages. Take advantage of it! No one can pick one for you.. Drop by the development forums, read, read, then read some more.. Pick 5 ROMs that sound up your alley and give them a try.. I'd suggest a ROM a week until you find one you are satisfied with.
Goodluck and enjoy your Nexus!

Best part about coming to a Nexus forum is being confused about what ROM to flash. Always so many great ones to choose from. lol. :laugh:

So damn true, there are so many ROM's from so many great developers you do really get lost even when going through all of the topics.
So the best bet would be to try it for yourself and flash a few ROM's until you find the one you like.
P.S - this phone is so quick so i doubt really anyone can find a difference in performance between Rom's.
Have fun

^ there is a difference but I feel it lies within the individual kernels. I've been testing kernels for about two weeks and find myself always coming back to trinity 97, even with 4.2.2 its smooth and battery life is insane. I've bounced from ROM to ROM and find xylon the smoothest. Once rasbean goes 4.2.2 I'll give it a shot. There are so many Roms and they are all *good. *everyone has their opinions and all the devs here put a lot of work and time in and all deserve the respect they get. As far as a “light" ROM goes slim bean would be the lightest coming in at under 110mb zip file, then you'll need gapps and they have minimal gapps available at around 25mb.

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I love that everyone posted a different ROM.
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Hence, why these threads are so pointless.
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As a rom addict, would you advise me to keep my One?

I have both the S4 and the One in front of me and one of them is going back by tonight. Still torn between the two, whatever, but there is one factor that can make my decision a lot easier. I never keep a stock rom on any phone; I prefer a stock Android experience with some of the extras included in ROMs such as PA and AOKP. From what I am hearing now, flashing non-Sense ROMs on the One takes away almost all of the bells and whistles of owning the device, like BoomSound (average audio quality) and camera quality (at least we have 13 megapixels to compensate in the S4).
For those of you who have flashed some of these early builds, how is it working for you? Do you find using the phone to not be as enjoyable as it was stock?

ovoxo. said:
I have both the S4 and the One in front of me and one of them is going back by tonight. Still torn between the two, whatever, but there is one factor that can make my decision a lot easier. I never keep a stock rom on any phone; I prefer a stock Android experience with some of the extras included in ROMs such as PA and AOKP. From what I am hearing now, flashing non-Sense ROMs on the One takes away almost all of the bells and whistles of owning the device, like BoomSound (average audio quality) and camera quality (at least we have 13 megapixels to compensate in the S4).
For those of you who have flashed some of these early builds, how is it working for you? Do you find using the phone to not be as enjoyable as it was stock?
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I flashed PA and CM and 30 minutes later i went back to stock. Battery life on any aosp based rom for me has been terrible and all the features of the stock ROM are awesome. sound quality also deteriorated and got reduced volume on the aosp roms. Also gaming. NOTHING lags on stock rom but on PA and CM games lag like crazy. graphics benchmarks get reduced to like Adreno 225 level... And then since they are still alphas there are a lot of bugs and they aren't really stable. I would go with the HTC One instead of the SGS4 because of how sexy the damn thing is. also how sense is much more tuned and less cluttered up like touchwiz is.

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I flashed PA and CM and 30 minutes later i went back to stock. Battery life on any aosp based rom for me has been terrible and all the features of the stock ROM are awesome. sound quality also deteriorated and got reduced volume on the aosp roms. Also gaming. NOTHING lags on stock rom but on PA and CM games lag like crazy. graphics benchmarks get reduced to like Adreno 225 level... And then since they are still alphas there are a lot of bugs and they aren't really stable. I would go with the HTC One instead of the SGS4 because of how sexy the damn thing is. also how sense is much more tuned and less cluttered up like touchwiz is.
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Thanks for the input. I know, the One is just too sexy, but I gotta actually enjoy using it. If the functionality is practically the same as the S4 after flashing a stock rom, I might as well keep the S4. As far as the TouchWiz vs. Sense argument goes, it is irrelevant to me since I would not be keeping either one as soon as there are some stable stock builds available.

Yeah, in your case just keep the S4.

Flash Trickdroid ROM, it's a custom ROM which is also sense based and has good if not better battery life than stock ROM and certainly better than AOSP.
I'm a fan of AOSP ROM's but for the most part the battery life isn't good so I'll stick with Trickdroid
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Why do people rely on strangers to tell them what they like? I got both of them, played with them, and ended up selling the s4. Reminded me too much of the s3.
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deviusdragger said:
Why do people rely on strangers to tell them what they like? I got both of them, played with them, and ended up selling the s4. Reminded me too much of the s3.
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This isn't about people telling me what they like really. I'm simply asking about their experiences thus far with their phone and flashing roms. Where else would I turn for advice? Also, if you read the OP I wasn't asking which device you liked more and which one you returned.

jonny68 said:
Flash Trickdroid ROM, it's a custom ROM which is also sense based and has good if not better battery life than stock ROM and certainly better than AOSP.
I'm a fan of AOSP ROM's but for the most part the battery life isn't good so I'll stick with Trickdroid
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I've heard great thing about Trickdroid, but there is no way I wanna miss out on things like PA's Halo feature..

ovoxo. said:
I have both the S4 and the One in front of me and one of them is going back by tonight. Still torn between the two, whatever, but there is one factor that can make my decision a lot easier. I never keep a stock rom on any phone; I prefer a stock Android experience with some of the extras included in ROMs such as PA and AOKP. From what I am hearing now, flashing non-Sense ROMs on the One takes away almost all of the bells and whistles of owning the device, like BoomSound (average audio quality) and camera quality (at least we have 13 megapixels to compensate in the S4).
For those of you who have flashed some of these early builds, how is it working for you? Do you find using the phone to not be as enjoyable as it was stock?
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I was in the same boat but stuck with the HTC One. I like it's feel in my hand a lot more which is a big thing for me, comfort>sexy, but both?! Also a lot of devs seem to be including sense in their roms letting us get Zoe+addons from aftermarket roms which keeps the camera viable. I think we'll see more interesting development on the One than on the S4 simply because devs will want to port/improve those features into their roms.

ovoxo. said:
I have both the S4 and the One in front of me and one of them is going back by tonight. Still torn between the two, whatever, but there is one factor that can make my decision a lot easier. I never keep a stock rom on any phone; I prefer a stock Android experience with some of the extras included in ROMs such as PA and AOKP. From what I am hearing now, flashing non-Sense ROMs on the One takes away almost all of the bells and whistles of owning the device, like BoomSound (average audio quality) and camera quality (at least we have 13 megapixels to compensate in the S4).
For those of you who have flashed some of these early builds, how is it working for you? Do you find using the phone to not be as enjoyable as it was stock?
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I ran the stock rom for 2 weeks before flashing a custom ROM. I didn't have any sluggish performance with stock, but I do like the custom rom better. I removed all the t-mobile junk. So if anything I got a performance increase.
I wouldn't return this phone, I love it.
Try the Maximus7 6.0 rom.
I came from a TF300 that was fing slow and constant force closes because of the slow IO in it. But it was a stock experience.
I thought I would hate this 'sense'. I like it. I do use a Nova Launcher and I removed the cruft.

ovoxo. said:
This isn't about people telling me what they like really. I'm simply asking about their experiences thus far with their phone and flashing roms. Where else would I turn for advice? Also, if you read the OP I wasn't asking which device you liked more and which one you returned.
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Maybe it's me getting older and needing a phone for business and not a toy to tinker with. The one gave me more features and the feel of it in my hand was better. Why not go with something with better features and reliability than with something that has more roms to flash? That's my question to op. Hopefully you can get both with whatever you decide to go with.
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ovoxo. said:
I've heard great thing about Trickdroid, but there is no way I wanna miss out on things like PA's Halo feature..
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Yeah id say Trickdroid is probably the best ROM overall right now for this one, but the choice is yours, if your prepared to sacrifice some battery life for extra features then no problems.
I'm running AOSP on my Nexus 7 and have been for months now but I'm quite content with Trickdroid on my One.

As a ROM addict, both of these phones will easily keep you happy.
However, asking in this forum will yield bias responses. Just like if you were to ask this in the S4 forum, you'll get the majority of answers saying to stick with the S4.

deviusdragger said:
Maybe it's me getting older and needing a phone for business and not a toy to tinker with. The one gave me more features and the feel of it in my hand was better. Why not go with something with better features and reliability than with something that has more roms to flash? That's my question to op. Hopefully you can get both with whatever you decide to go with.
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Why do you think I'm having such a hard time? :laugh: Too bad I can't afford to keep both.

KidCarter93 said:
As a ROM addict, both of these phones will easily keep you happy.
However, asking in this forum will yield bias responses. Just like if you were to ask this in the S4 forum, you'll get the majority of answers saying to stick with the S4.
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Yeah, of course. Just thought it would be better to get insight from those who have actually had experience with these ROMs. Both communities do seem like they are going to have a load of new things to flash and play with within the next few months.

Sense has gotten to the point (for me), that its features far outweigh anything aosp or aokp offer. Aosp advantage used to be that it was quicker and smoother with more customizations...not the case at all now. I would go as far to say that you actually lose more useful features than you gain by going pure android. I do understand the addiction though...I've had it for years...haha
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AOSP vs CM11 - Speed and Stability

Hey all! I'm building a ROM and was wondering what your thoughts were on speed and stability on CM vs AOSP. From my experience, CM is faster but not as stable, and AOSP isn't as fast but is stable.
Please vote and/or comment on your thoughts!

CM tends to have worse battery, in my experience
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Tanmaynarang said:
Hey all! I'm building a ROM and was wondering what your thoughts were on speed and stability on CM vs AOSP. From my experience, CM is faster but not as stable, and AOSP isn't as fast but is stable.
Please vote and/or comment on your thoughts!
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Here are my beliefs (anyone feel free to correct me):
AOSP is rock solid (usually). It's not the fastest, but that can be fixed. It lacks features.
CM on the other hand isn't the most solid base, but they're very good about fixing bugs. They've got (arguably) one of the largest developer teams working on an aftermarket firmware. They do have more features as well.
What you need to answer is this: How clean of a base do you want to start off with? Do you want to go for AOSP and market it as simple and close to stock with hand-picked features and optimizations? Or do you want to start off with a CM base, having features that are now nearly ubiquitously considered "necessary"?
Connor Baker

THEBANDIT420 said:
CM tends to have worse battery, in my experience
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I've never experienced this, but I can see it happening because of the smaller range of kernels (since it's CAF).
Connor Baker said:
Here are my beliefs (anyone feel free to correct me):
AOSP is rock solid (usually). It's not the fastest, but that can be fixed. It lacks features.
CM on the other hand isn't the most solid base, but they're very good about fixing bugs. They've got (arguably) one of the largest developer teams working on an aftermarket firmware. They do have more features as well.
What you need to answer is this: How clean of a base do you want to start off with? Do you want to go for AOSP and market it as simple and close to stock with hand-picked features and optimizations? Or do you want to start off with a CM base, having features that are now nearly ubiquitously considered "necessary"?
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Valid points, I see CyanogenMod being geared as much more developer friendly and extensible, they even have better documentation for AOSP's tools than AOSP does
I want the ROM to be stable and fast, but also ready for customization, where I see AOSP not being very extensible.

So speed and stability is democracy now?

Actually if you are building a ROM from source, you are better off starting with aosp and merging the caf patches then go from there. You can look at patch commits/gerrit to see how to add in the features that you want since the code is normally available to see and will give you what line and all. In the process, you have something to call your own and learn the coding structure and source which is invaluable
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cm, fast? lmao..

simms22 said:
cm, fast? lmao..
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Keep Preaching brotha! Lol

He is Right about CM
tommypacker said:
Keep Preaching brotha! Lol
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The fact is that CM is starting to be real SLOW.
Go for AOSP based roms! Build with linaro? That's even faster.

v3ng3anc32002 said:
The fact is that CM is starting to be real SLOW.
Go for AOSP based roms! Build with linaro? That's even faster.
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cm was fast until about mid 2012. then they just started piling on as much as possible into the rom and it has been slower since. when steve(cyanogen) used to spend much time working on cm kernel, thats when cm was known for speed, back in the beginning and a little after cm started. back then, they werent about feature, more about minimalism. now its all about feature.

AOSP>CM
Always.
At any aspect.
CM has become so low and weak ROM since 2013. In the past it was the fastest and the most non-bull**** custom firmware but now as it's available for so many devices it's become sluggish, slow and the quality doesn't even exist. Another thing against CM is that they decided to use CAF code on Nexus devices. I can't understand it as well as other devs working in Nexus sections. I remember CM7 on my legendary HTC G2. It was so fast and damn feature-filled as for those times. Now it's gone. Formerly, my first thought on custom ROMs was CM, now it's quite different... I am so disappointed with CM nowadays.
Just my opinion tho ?
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The hell are people knocking caf code for??? It is aosp code with fixes for specific hardware by the people who actually make the hardware, wtf would you not use it for????
As far as cm fast, bwhahahahahaha, it hasn't been fast since about cm4 back on the g1/mytouch when dwang came into the picture. Cm's goal evolved to bleeding edge features and getting on as many devices as possible while dwang was straight aosp Roms with speed and stability as the goal
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If you own a nexus CyanogenMod is just as stable if not more so. Latest nightly is flawless.

I actually installed 30/6/2014 Nightly and seems faster to me in some areas, such as animation smoothness.
I was on PA 4.4 Final previously and hadn't touched CM11 for 3+ months.
Both were tested with latest Adreno drivers(June), same kernel, same kernel settings and the same Gapps; only the ROM changed.

Konstantinos said:
I actually installed 30/6/2014 Nightly and seems faster to me in some areas, such as animation smoothness.
I was on PA 4.4 Final previously and hadn't touched CM11 for 3+ months.
Both were tested with latest Adreno drivers(June), same kernel, same kernel settings and the same Gapps; only the ROM changed.
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faster than velocity?

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faster than velocity?
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Isn't Velocity the ROM that has ART by default? And lots of commits to ART. Still, ART is experimental in KitKat, so in the L release there will be lots of changes. I'd rather use something which doesn't have commits to something experimental(such as ART).
Also, I must note that Velocity has changed the animation to 0,75. This results as being "faster" (because of transition) but it's not. Try testing both @ 1.0 animation speed and see for yourself.

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Isn't Velocity the ROM that has ART by default? And lots of commits to ART. Still, ART is experimental in KitKat, so in the L release there will be lots of changes. I'd rather use something which doesn't have commits to something experimental(such as ART).
Also, I must note that Velocity has changed the animation to 0,75. This results as being "faster" (because of transition) but it's not. Try testing both @ 1.0 animation speed and see for yourself.
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A real test would be turning animations completely off and seeing what's faster. That's where real speed and optimisation can be noticed. 1.0 is just too damn slow.

Konstantinos said:
I actually installed 30/6/2014 Nightly and seems faster to me in some areas, such as animation smoothness.
I was on PA 4.4 Final previously and hadn't touched CM11 for 3+ months.
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Try stock AOSP, way faster than PA.
I've got 2 nexus 4s so I can do nexus 4 vs nexus 4. Nothing beats stock jellybean.
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calyxim said:
Try stock AOSP, way faster than PA.
I've got 2 nexus 4s so I can do nexus 4 vs nexus 4. Nothing beats stock jellybean.
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stock jellybean??? kitkat??

I'm stock unrooted on my n5 so far, running art and no animations. Feels blazingly fast to me. I miss custom Roms for the themes and a couple features they usually include but other than that stock has been almost 100% stable even with art.
I reboot it once every week or two and saw one soft reboot the other day in the couple months I've had it, not sure what caused it.
Still trying to decide if its worth rooting and what ROM to run. I like art which rules out stock with xposed.
I've been a chronic ROM flasher on every phone I've had until this one. It just works so good I'm afraid to mess with it. Especially when I've got warranty.
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