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Wait for Froyo or root now?

Hi all. I've had my Nexus for about three weeks now, and while I originally bought it for Froyo, I'm getting impatient and have the urge to root and try ROMs like CM and Modaco.
Should I wait or just root and do it?
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i rooted mine yesterday and only had it for 4 days.... havent even gotten the bill yet.... i bought it to hack

Even if you root you can still install Froyo. Its not like you're losing the ability to install Froyo by rooting. Actually, you don't even have to root to install Froyo now irrc..

I say go for it.
Then again, I'm a bad influence, and have a reputation for voiding warranties.
I rooted my phone within the first hour I had it - haven't looked back

Even if you root you can still install Froyo. Its not like you're losing the ability to install Froyo by rooting. Actually, you don't even have to root to install Froyo now irrc..
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I have an AT&T Nexus One so I can't flash Froyo without root.
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I say go for it.
Then again, I'm a bad influence, and have a reputation for voiding warranties.
I rooted my phone within the first hour I had it - haven't looked back
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My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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tjsimmons said:
My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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There is no chance of bricking it unless you update the radio. You won't have to update the radio to flash most 2.1 ROMs.... you will have to when you upgrade to Froyo. Might as well go ahead and screw around on 2.1 for now

tjsimmons said:
My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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I recently sent my phone in rooted for repair and htc didn't mind.
got it back a couple days later but it was locked again.

There is no chance of bricking it unless you update the radio. You won't have to update the radio to flash most 2.1 ROMs.... you will have to when you upgrade to Froyo. Might as well go ahead and screw around on 2.1 for now
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Hmm. I'll have to look at some of the ROMs then and see what I like.
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Does anyone else appreciate the irony of someone asking XDA if they should root?
It's like asking a kleptomaniac if you should shoplift.

I didn't root for 3 months until last week when I finally rooted. With froyo so close I thought about waiting. But once I rooted its now obvious that rooting is the way to go. Don't even worry about the official update coming. Just root it and you will have the official update earlier than if you don't root. Plus cyanogen is such a great ROM and totally worth it.

Okay so, I'm going to root and look at flashing some ROMs. Any guides out there? I see the sticky in General for Sense UI, but I'm not terribly sure if that's what I should follow or what.
Thanks!

Edit: started new thread.

just a quick question to you topic creator..im very new to rooting and flashing roms myself may i ask what guide you used to lear to do it?

mykeldrip said:
just a quick question to you topic creator..im very new to rooting and flashing roms myself may i ask what guide you used to lear to do it?
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In General Paul posted a guide from stock N1 to Sense UI/CM (it's a sticky). I just went down that and it worked great.

codesplice said:
It's like asking a kleptomaniac if you should shoplift.
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Hey it's not like we do it because we want to, we have to!

Lmao, sooooo true

About the OTA, you, and your phone

The reason we haven't said much on the OTA is it's not entirely official. Until it starts hitting everyones phones I wouldn't say it's released. And until then, it could change! We know the leaked OTA works with our tools still. But that doesn't mean the released one will. Once we KNOW what is final, we will make a method to update without the nonsense of ruu'ing your phones. If you wait, you will get a easier time. If you are in such a hurry to get 720p, so be it.

Yeah, I'm not really understanding why everyones rushing to get this on their phone. I'm waiting. I know once it officially hits our phones it shouldn't take long until we can patch it properly and still keep our root.

Yes, this i can wait for... a good, working froyo rom ---------- that's another story...
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Thanks for the update and of course all of your hard work, it's really awesome when devs keep the community informed as much as you guys do.

I as well was wondering why people were rushing to get this done on their phone so fast. I knew you guys would be patching it I also noticed that you guys now have an unlocked bootloader?!
http://twitter.com/unrevoked/status/18736914664
full nand unlock + whatever else this can accomplish (I guess anything now) here we come!

dspero said:
Yes, this i can wait for... a good, working froyo rom ---------- that's another story...
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A good one will come when it's released for our phones from HTC.

kentoe said:
I as well was wondering why people were rushing to get this done on their phone so fast. I knew you guys would be patching it I also noticed that you guys now have an unlocked bootloader?!
http://twitter.com/unrevoked/status/18736914664
full nand unlock + whatever else this can accomplish (I guess anything now) here we come!
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I am a tweaker by heart, so I cannot sit idle, waiting. I'm not saying its a bad thing to wait, its just not for me and I am willing to take the risks.

what does unlocked bootloader mean?

It means our phones are completely unlocked and we can screw them up even easier than before.

I am currently rooted, but would like the contents of the upcoming OTA. I understand that I have to revert back to stock and unroot in order to install this update, since the new radio is what I am most excited about. Is this our only option to go about applying the update? I like having root access, but ultimately I would rather receive the OTAs that will be coming soon. Does anybody have any insight about whether or not there will be a way to install these updates in the form of a ROM without losing root, or should I just bite the bullet and unroot if this is what I ultimately want with my phone?

mickym5 said:
. Does anybody have any insight about whether or not there will be a way to install these updates in the form of a ROM without losing root, or should I just bite the bullet and unroot if this is what I ultimately want with my phone?
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That's pretty much what this post is about. Once the OTA is final and is actually being pushed, we will get a version of it that doesn't require us to go through the current process which requires us to unroot our phones.

I, for one, can wait for the rooted version of the OTA...continued thanks to the unrEVOked team for their unselfish efforts on our behalf.
JC

If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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ksizzle9 said:
If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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+1, I wonder if these guys (and girls?) ever get job offers from htc/vzw or even google. I would if I was one of those companies. Skills can be taught but passion and critical thinking can't.

ksizzle9 said:
If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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LOL. I like to think that the reason the root still worked is because HTC isn't a douche like Motorola and realized that the hackability of the phone translates to sales of the phone.
Just my opinion...

jermaine151 said:
LOL. I like to think that the reason the root still worked is because HTC isn't a douche like Motorola and realized that the hackability of the phone translates to sales of the phone.
Just my opinion...
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Sorry, no, they would be quite happy to close the hole. And with the leaks posting the plaintext method up for them recently, they will pretty quickly.
To be honest all you most likely need as opposed to these elaborate methods to unroot, is to flash stock recovery back (hint, use reflash with the ruu's recovery.img as the image you select!), and then run the leaked ota as update.zip. But again, I don't see much reason to upgrade until it's official and we determine the changes.

Shadowmite said:
Sorry, no, they would be quite happy to close the hole. And with the leaks posting the plaintext method up for them recently, they will pretty quickly.
To be honest all you most likely need as opposed to these elaborate methods to unroot, is to flash stock recovery back (hint, use reflash with the ruu's recovery.img as the image you select!), and then run the leaked ota as update.zip. But again, I don't see much reason to upgrade until it's official and we determine the changes.
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LOL... what a novel idea. Guess that why you get paid the big bucks.

Not installing the leak here. Installed leak on my eris...once bitten twice shy.
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You will install an alpha aosp rom and not an ota?
Seems funny.

adrynalyne said:
You will install an alpha aosp rom and not an ota?
Seems funny.
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Sorry I meant the leak ota. That's where I got burned before.
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just got a wifi only tab and I want to upgrade to gingerbread

but can't find an answer.... is it doable? Also, what other mods can I do to it? I wish XDA had a section for each version of the tab, I have a huge headache from trying to find my answer.... thanks guys

bump..... Please guys, help me out. I tried rooting last night but failed, guess I tried the root from a different tab... so please help me out... I'm getting ready to smash this thing

Really, no one can help me out? ... maybe another forum has more courteous members.
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Do you think that bumping your post two hours after posting it is courteous?
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi myself, but I did my research *before* I bought it. No Gingerbread is available, that I know of. There are not many alternative ROMs for the WiFi only model.
What did you use in your rooting attempt? The only two ways I know are with a Windows app or with z4root, an Android app. I haven't tried either one, here is a link to z4root on this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953

I installed GB 2.3.3 using this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1083971
hope that helps

SuperOneClick should be able to help you root your Tab.
Here's the Noob Rooting Guide with links and downloads.
Always do your research. The Development forums will be one of your best resources for your Tab.

BUGBEAR_X said:
I installed GB 2.3.3 using this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1083971
hope that helps
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That's for the 1000 not 1010 which is the wifi only model, thank you though.
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brucemcl said:
Do you think that bumping your post two hours after posting it is courteous?
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi myself, but I did my research *before* I bought it. No Gingerbread is available, that I know of. There are not many alternative ROMs for the WiFi only model.
What did you use in your rooting attempt? The only two ways I know are with a Windows app or with z4root, an Android app. I haven't tried either one, here is a link to z4root on this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
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No offense but if you're going to criticize you might as well not even comment to avoid any frustrations or arguments as a result. Thank you for the link, I was able to find z4 and lag fix yesterday.... applied both but i might roll back on the lag fix since I have no haptic feedback now unless anyone knows of a fix? I wasn't able to find anything on Google... wifi only tab and p1010 aren't too popular searches.
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*sigh* waiting for this too..

****ty Samsung , is it so hard to just make an official Gb for this little tab considering the workforce they have at their disposal.

At one point I had heard that the Sprint stock GB (2.3.4) update worked on the Wifi only tabs, but I don't have a wifi only to test with.

I haven't heard of any alternative roms for the wifi only version.
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Check with Kies, see if you have a firmware update. I only have a P1000, but maybe it's similar.
oh yeah, give time for people to reply your thread. Don't be a spoiled kid.
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EDIT: from other answers here the Sprint GB 2.3.4 ROM stock or rooted sounds the way to go, so it looks like this should work for you as it did for me on my Verizon CDMA tab.
It's hard to say for sure, experimentation is part of the fun, but killing the tab isn't. I didn't find any definitive answers on flashing a Sprint CDMA ROM on to a Verizon CDMA Galaxy Tab (for example), so I decided to try for myself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255339
I suspect doing a FULL ROM flash would be a *very* bad idea (it seems doing that with a GSM ROM on other (non-GSM) tabs KILLS it). However, the technique I used was only to apply the kernel and filesystems, so I would *think* if you had a backup from before (always best to have a backup anyway, right?) you could always revert. You may want to look around and check to see if stock WIFI images are out there (I don't know for sure) but the Voodoo or CwM (ClockworkMod) recovery backups should be fine either way.
Then if you apply the filesystem and kernel files from 2.3.4 and they don't work you should be able to revert (I would assume, I can certainly flash back and forth on mine). I would *think* the kernel supports vanilla hardware + CDMA additionally (i.e. you don't need it, but it doesn't hurt), but may be fine.
But again, unless you're prepared to take the risk, I cannot say for sure, you can wait and see if anyone else chimes in, but that's my take.

pvtjoker42 said:
At one point I had heard that the Sprint stock GB (2.3.4) update worked on the Wifi only tabs, but I don't have a wifi only to test with.
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I don't feel like bricking mine to find out lol
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loserbaby said:
EDIT: from other answers here the Sprint GB 2.3.4 ROM stock or rooted sounds the way to go, so it looks like this should work for you as it did for me on my Verizon CDMA tab.
It's hard to say for sure, experimentation is part of the fun, but killing the tab isn't. I didn't find any definitive answers on flashing a Sprint CDMA ROM on to a Verizon CDMA Galaxy Tab (for example), so I decided to try for myself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255339
I suspect doing a FULL ROM flash would be a *very* bad idea (it seems doing that with a GSM ROM on other (non-GSM) tabs KILLS it). However, the technique I used was only to apply the kernel and filesystems, so I would *think* if you had a backup from before (always best to have a backup anyway, right?) you could always revert. You may want to look around and check to see if stock WIFI images are out there (I don't know for sure) but the Voodoo or CwM (ClockworkMod) recovery backups should be fine either way.
Then if you apply the filesystem and kernel files from 2.3.4 and they don't work you should be able to revert (I would assume, I can certainly flash back and forth on mine). I would *think* the kernel supports vanilla hardware + CDMA additionally (i.e. you don't need it, but it doesn't hurt), but may be fine.
But again, unless you're prepared to take the risk, I cannot say for sure, you can wait and see if anyone else chimes in, but that's my take.
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Lol thanks... I guess if someone has the time and patience to try it and it works then please let the rest of us p1010 owners know
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I have the P1010 also and from what I've heard, the two models (P1010 and P1000) have different hardware which makes the latter model possible for the ginger update while ours likely will never get it.
Enjoy it for what it is. That's all I can say.

jstrayy said:
No offense but if you're going to criticize you might as well not even comment to avoid any frustrations or arguments as a result.
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No offence but you are the one who was rude by bumping your topic after 2 hours and also accusing people who didnt answer as not courteous, so obviously you are going to get criticism.
Your problem is that you cant be bothered to go read or search and expect people to jump on your topic and bring all the info to you. This is XDA-developers, not tech support, try and at least help yourself first before demanding answers.

If anyone tests the spring gingerbread method and it works, please say so. xD Im too much of a coward to risk my tab.

OmniLemur said:
If anyone tests the spring gingerbread method and it works, please say so. xD Im too much of a coward to risk my tab.
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You can save a flashable ROM in the sdcard. Then if the tab got bricked, you can insert the sdcard in and reflash again. But i don't recommend doing this because me myself never flashed my tab, only my nexus one.

new to rooting

hi guys i'm new to rooting so how hard is it?

Have a look at Q1 in the FAQ thread which is stickied and you'll be able to pick your preferred method and find out.
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smarty2322 said:
hi guys i'm new to rooting so how hard is it?
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Pretty easy if you can read, comprehend and follow instructions.

Can you root without adding recovery? So basically not have TWRP or Clockwork recovery installed?

ajaffarali said:
Can you root without adding recovery? So basically not have TWRP or Clockwork recovery installed?
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Don't think so what's the point to rooting with out them

jaythenut said:
Don't think so what's the point to rooting with out them
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There are many apps that require root, here are 4 apps Im currently using on all my devices:
Titanium Backup
ROM Toolbox
Greenify
Adblock Plus

Bagbug said:
There are many apps that require root, here are 4 apps Im currently using on all my devices:
Titanium Backup
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Thanks not heard of greenify cool app thanks :good:

I've never rooted a handset either, gonna buy the One next week and probably root to get the menu option but one q I have is......is it easy to go back to complete stock??
Is there anything to be carful about??
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nickosbad said:
I've never rooted a handset either, gonna buy the One next week and probably root to get the menu option but one q I have is......is it easy to go back to complete stock??
Is there anything to be carful about??
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It will always say (relocked) in recovery

My advice is READ READ READ/SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH
I did that for weeks before I even bought my Nexus One and rooted it over 3 years ago
Even after all that time, I have already read over a thousand posts thru out the One Forum in preparation of buying the phone
Lot less headaches that way and better chance of not bricking your new/expensive phone--

rugmankc said:
My advice is READ READ READ/SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH
I did that for weeks before I even bought my Nexus One and rooted it over 3 years ago
Even after all that time, I have already read over a thousand posts thru out the One Forum in preparation of buying the phone
Lot less headaches that way and better chance of not bricking your new/expensive phone--
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I can vouch for this. I bought my One two days ago and have it unlocked and rooted. However, it wasn't easy for me (this is the first Android I've ever "hacked") and it took two full days of researching and asking for help.

ajaffarali said:
Can you root without adding recovery? So basically not have TWRP or Clockwork recovery installed?
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You need custom recovery to flash the SU binaries to xbin. But, once you get root, you can reapply the stock recovery via fastboot, though I Dont know why you would, you would lose much control of recovering your phone after any mishaps. Though I suppose you could reflash custom recovery in that event. Though you'd have to wait til you were near adb/SDK.
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scottspa74 said:
You need custom recovery to flash the SU binaries to xbin. But, once you get root, you can reapply the stock recovery via fastboot, though I Dont know why you would, you would lose much control of recovering your phone after any mishaps. Though I suppose you could reflash custom recovery in that event. Though you'd have to wait til you were near adb/SDK.
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Dont want to lose the ability of getting OTA updates- thats basically it.

i have been rooted over 3 years and always get them thru roms sooner--never took one
have seen people taking updates and getting messed up

Also the fact that custom ROMs keep updating very frequently and I have itchy fingers. Think I'm tired of that. Unless a serious bug is present in stock ROM that HTC is taking too long to fix or maybe when Viper releases their ROM for the One, I'm planning on sticking to stock.

ajaffarali said:
Also the fact that custom ROMs keep updating very frequently and I have itchy fingers. Think I'm tired of that. Unless a serious bug is present in stock ROM that HTC is taking too long to fix or maybe when Viper releases their ROM for the One, I'm planning on sticking to stock.
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Understand, and could have sworn I replied to your post already--need a vacation--

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Dont want to lose the ability of getting OTA updates- thats basically it.
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Once you unlock why would you want to receive OTA updates?
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shook187 said:
Once you unlock why would you want to receive OTA updates?
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To keep my phone on the latest software? I hear lots of people who have rooted are not seeing the upgrade and I dont wanna deal with custom ROMs

as folks have said, read a bunch. and follow directions very closely.
gaining root access to the phone isn't tough. how much time it takes also kinda depends on what you plan to do with root access.
- if your with root is to use the stock rom, and just gain access to rooted apps, and maybe get rid of some bloatware (again read which one's are safe to delete first!), then rooting won't take too much time.
- if you plan on trying new roms and kernels to try to ring every last drop of functionality and speed and battery life out of that chunk of hardware, then expect it to take some time. this path is voluntary. but it should be considered a lifestyle, not a solution.

Please excuse my ignorance

I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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Vintage144 said:
I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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Rebel908 said:
If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game

Vintage144 said:
well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!

Vintage144 said:
Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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You'll likely be dead before a bootloader leak comes out. Lenovo being in charge will change nothing. If an OEM wanted their phone on VZW or ATT, they're going to have to play by the carrier rules.
Vintage144 said:
not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!
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Why exactly do you need a custom recovery? There aren't any roms worth flashing, not when Moto got it right with the software. There aren't any kernels either. Root gives you access to Xposed which gives you access to GravityBox and native tethering.
If you really need a custom recovery, return or trade your phone for a Dev edition.

I'm not 100% sure but I think you can use J Case's SlapMyMoto for the Moto X's with a locked boatloader. But you'll need to be ready to put in some work because it looks a little confusing with downgrading to 4.2.2 then upgrading back to 4.4. I'm not very experienced with all this stuff either so I could be wrong. Might be worth checking it out though just in case.
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I personally think OP should stick to Samsung devices and/or Nexus devices for now. Most of the dev-support breaks down to those two devices anyways. Also, the fun of Moto X lies in the fact it's really good with Stock ROM by itself with its special features. Installing Custom ROMs removes the primary reasons for even considering Moto X (active notification/touchless controls/motorola assist).

Well part of the fun of Android is being able to customize it, if all i wanted was a locked down OS id get an iphone and be just another flappybird idiot , there wouldnt be a need for XDA , maybe they can open an xda site for non custom stuff , most of you on here who have been using motorola products should do yourself a favor and try samsung or htc and find out what youve been missing ,sure there phones are good stock, but there amazing customized. I dont want to buy a Corvette that i cant customize to my own liking, just saying
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You didn't research before buying....an xda member? ???
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Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
Also don't let other tells you how you should use the phone, it's Android, use it however you like. However, you should be careful next time to not buy locked down devices like AT&T and Verizon carrier locked phones, it's pretty much a given. Go with international unlocked, developer edition or Google Play edition. Also some phones are more moddable than other. Nexus phones give you unlimited freedom in term of flashing and customizing.
There is no reason to buy a AT&T locked devices if you intended to pay full price for the device, get the unlocked version instead, they will work on AT&T.

eksasol said:
Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
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This. Get anything other than at&t and Verizon NON Dev....as long as the new phones bands work on your carrier.
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Well I researched a little bit , frankly its gonna be spare anyway , ill probably keep running my OG Note as I prefer it over even my note II , but I will run it you bet on that . One thing is for sure XDA is doomed if they continue locking the boot loader , dev fones wont be worth the fuss , even Win Fones have sone merit
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How will it doom xda? LOL. Lots still to do/learn/mod/flash and play with. Some phones are just more limited than others.
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what modding and flashing is there if the bl is locked ? sure you can put fancy themes up there , but is there? Without recovery (custom recovery) , there is no flashing mods , custom mods, theres really nothing else , those of you who have been stuck in Motorola world (which by they way they made the cpu for apple for many years as well, a main reason why apples sucked too) , should try something by an unknown chinese company because those will be the only androids worth messing with in the years to come, or go get an sIII or Note , start modding and getting a custom recovery and then tell me how great stock is!

CartlandSmith said:
There is the Xposed Framework and its modules. It is very powerful and only requires root, not an unlocked bootloader.
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xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !

Vintage144 said:
xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !
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Then get a different phone? Not sure what you want anyone to say? ???
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just saying , but whatever , doesnt really matter , its the way of the world , steve jobs has won , his dream was making followers and apparently he's won!

K....you're being kinda ridiculous.....you bought a phone you can't unlock. Basically an iPhone. Sorry, but that doesn't reflect on all android phones. Especially ones you can unlock and do anything under the sun too.
Sell your phone. For you and your expectations .....you made the wrong choice. Plain and simple. Its not android, Google, or Motorola's fault.
Enough doom dude.
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CartlandSmith said:
I haven't read about people bricking their phones using Xposed modules.
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You can potentially mess something up and cause the phone to boot loop.

well ill be running exposed , its not doom and gloom , if your happy with stock why bother even coming here , xda is customizing not running stock but whatever ill run mine til it bricks at least it will be a challenge
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