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Hi All,
I'm wondering with all these new phones receiving more bloat ware from Manufacturers, the data partition is getting smaller and smaller. I know Sony XZ is a lot less than most unlike Samsung GS4.
So my general question for people is, how likely would it me to re-partition the XZ system to decrease for people that have un-bloated their phones or for those that use CM.
Currently running CM 10.1 where the System partition is using 2GB but i'm only using 24.3% f that, however I would love to at least reclaim back 1GB to my data partition.
Any ideas?
I just wanted to know if most people are giving up root to get the upgrade to 4.4 or if they're holding out to keep root. Yes I know the developer edition is different, but for most of us, it is a question worth asking. I will be staying on 4.2.2 as long as possible. I dont think kitkat is much of an improvement after getting the updated google apps and keyboard. Im sticking with nova launcher and my belover xposed modules. If you upgraded, do you regret upgrading?
nexus7lte said:
I just wanted to know if most people are giving up root to get the upgrade to 4.4 or if they're holding out to keep root. Yes I know the developer edition is different, but for most of us, it is a question worth asking. I will be staying on 4.2.2 as long as possible. I dont think kitkat is much of an improvement after getting the updated google apps and keyboard. Im sticking with nova launcher and my belover xposed modules. If you upgraded, do you regret upgrading?
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I don't see any need to have Root on the Moto X.
Which, I'm surprised, fits me... and from what I've read, many others on here.
i'm thinking I would go crazy not having something to play with if I lost root. Haven't completely made up my mind but that's they way i'm leaning
mj0528 said:
i'm thinking I would go crazy not having something to play with if I lost root. Haven't completely made up my mind but that's they way i'm leaning
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I'm about where you are right now. I used to be a crack flasher, but prior to getting the Moto X, I had settled on a really nicely configured version of AOKP on my GNex. I said good bye to the device last week and upgraded to the X.
I haven't rooted my Moto X just yet, but I really would hate to give up the X specific features when going to another ROM. So, I'm waiting a few weeks before I do anything. Hopefully the bounty will work!
Got developer edition so I could root later if/when needed. But I had used one unrooted for about a month, and other than ad-blocking and tethering, I didn't miss root.
I am staying on 4.2.2 for now. I hate ads and the extremely ugly call interface. Xposed modules and full screen caller ID is what I like. Not willing to give them up just yet.
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I'm keeping root. Just got the phone yesterday. Is there a way to turn off the annoying update prompt?
I upgraded to 4.4. Loving it...works well. Root will happen soon
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TheDave1022 said:
I'm keeping root. Just got the phone yesterday. Is there a way to turn off the annoying update prompt?
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use tibu and freeze updater and motorolaota
I am in the same dilemma. I have root and running Eclipses ROM and some exposed framwork. I want KK, but can't decide what to do. It might be a while for root and nitro had to sell his X. I just don't know what to do haha. Guess I'll hold off for a week or so and then get KK.
Staying on 4.2 indefinitely, even if 4.4 gets rooted. I have 4.4 on my N5 and I'm not a fan. My Moto X is perfect the way it is, why mess with it?
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lowvolt1 said:
I am staying on 4.2.2 for now. I hate ads and the extremely ugly call interface. Xposed modules and full screen caller ID is what I like. Not willing to give them up just yet.
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I need Xposed too. I'm giving root on the MotoX a chance for a few weeks. When Xposed Framework works on KitKat--then I'm going to make the choice and decide whether to sell my MotoX and get a Dev Edition or just upgrade to KitKat and get over the rooting stuff--which bothers me.
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mikewelch5 said:
I am in the same dilemma. I have root and running Eclipses ROM and some exposed framwork. I want KK, but can't decide what to do. It might be a while for root and nitro had to sell his X. I just don't know what to do haha. Guess I'll hold off for a week or so and then get KK.
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Who are the major exploiters? Jcase is one, Hashcode is another... other than that--I can't think of anyone. :|
I went ahead and factory reset the device and then updated to 4.4. I then installed the new Google launcher and some of the new Google apps, like the new Google Wallet. It works surprisingly well but the only thing I hate about it is that I can't hide apps. The new launcher doesn't support it but I like the design of it. I am just going to stay unrooted for now and root it when the exploit comes out.
I'll take KitKat when I can (T-Mobile). I'm currently not rooted. The only thing I really wish I could do on this phone that requires root is block the ads. But for me, the trade off to that is not being able to get work email on my phone (company uses Good for Enterprise, and has it check for root). Also, I'm Dev Edition so if I get super sick of the ads I can root later. (Trying to avoid unlocking the bootloader right away though.)
Decided to flash 4.4; this is my first Android phone and I didn't buy the developer edition to play it safe .
Overall I'm happy: both with the device and KitKat itself.
My only gripe so far is fairly minor (the lock-screen lag) -- in my case: clearing the dalvik cache helped a lot.
There's nothing in 4.4 that's begging me to stick with it; but so far I haven't had any show-stopping bugs, and I'm not going to flash 4.2 just to get MotoXposed working.
So for now I'm just poking around until an official T-Mo OTA comes out that I can flash.
Nope until 4.4 gets rooted and os is stable like current unlock problems and all. Cant image my phone without adblock, viper and xposed modules.I am more than happy with 4.2.2
Staying on 4.2 for now. Need tethering and greenify.
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Id rather wait till sprint offical 4.4 comes out and root it keeping it stock with bloatwarz removed
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mj0528 said:
use tibu and freeze updater and motorolaota
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Thanks. I did the updater but didnt know about the motorolaota
sravanz said:
Nope until 4.4 gets rooted and os is stable like current unlock problems and all. Cant image my phone without adblock, viper and xposed modules.I am more than happy with 4.2.2
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What is viper?
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guys
this phone can't handle facebook + launcher only opened ?
a galaxy star phone would do it better
even my 500 MB ram old phone is much more better than this
i don't have anything opened
just launcher and i get only 200 mb left of ram ?
if i opened any application it just redraws the launcher when i get out and it's very slow to get out of an application
what the **** ?
any solution would be appreciated very much
and rom would be appreciated too
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guys
this phone can't handle facebook + launcher only opened ?
a galaxy star phone would do it better
even my 500 MB ram old phone is much more better than this
i don't have anything opened
just launcher and i get only 200 mb left of ram ?
if i opened any application it just redraws the launcher when i get out and it's very slow to get out of an application
what the **** ?
any solution would be appreciated very much
and rom would be appreciated too
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are you running stock rom? What version android? what version of phone?
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are you running stock rom? What version android? what version of phone?
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stock rom 4.4.4
aaaaaaand
it's xt1063
no such problms, ram consumptuion is high bt less redraws
Go over here: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/6168839e0e?commentId=861143
and scream as loud as you can. May be someone will hear us!
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stock rom 4.4.4
aaaaaaand
it's xt1063
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Geeze we probably need to create a new forum titled "Moto G (2014) (2nd generation)"
This isn't 4.4.4 that's the problem. Most users on plain "Moto G (2014) 1st generation" are not having this problem including the people running 4.4.4
This is hardware differences in the 2nd generation Moto G 2014 version that are causing that.
I have the same problem, but in the Lollipop update it will be fixed. You just have to wait
Use an app such as the strangely named and excellent Kernel Adiutor to reduce the low memory killer thresholds. The thresholds set on 4.4.4 for the Moto G look suspisciously like they were intended for a device with 2GB of RAM. Simply halving every value will give you much better multitasking without introducing nasty side effects. Edit the build.prop to drop the VM heap growth limit from 96MB to 64MB. The editor built into Kernel Adiutor doesn't work on the Moto G atm, unfortunately.
Oh, and you might want to increase the max hidden apps prop to 15.
You will get about half of the ram as user available out of total in every smartphone. & that too may decrease depending on number of installed apps/updates...etc. Note this when u buy any phone.
guys
is it worth unlocking bootloader and getting custom rom or not ?
i never used stock roms on my older phones
but is it worth unlocking or just wait for update ?
theprincemoh said:
guys
is it worth unlocking bootloader and getting custom rom or not ?
i never used stock roms on my older phones
but is it worth unlocking or just wait for update ?
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I'm debating the same thing. I almost always rooted my phones but I was going to wait and try the OTA update when it's officially released. The memory issues I'm having are making thing about pushing ahead with root anyway but I don't know if the ROMs are any better at this point. I have an XT1064.
zeropants said:
I'm debating the same thing. I almost always rooted my phones but I was going to wait and try the OTA update when it's officially released. The memory issues I'm having are making thing about pushing ahead with root anyway but I don't know if the ROMs are any better at this point. I have an XT1064.
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i think i made my decision
i will try that titan rom
zeropants said:
I'm debating the same thing. I almost always rooted my phones but I was going to wait and try the OTA update when it's officially released. The memory issues I'm having are making thing about pushing ahead with root anyway but I don't know if the ROMs are any better at this point. I have an XT1064.
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They are way better than stock, you can't even compare the two.
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They are way better than stock, you can't even compare the two.
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OK, good to know. I'll have to unlock and give this a shot then...
Using ART helps
FWIW I've found that switching the runtime from Dalvik to ART helps a lot with the KK RAM management issues on this device. And that's even before rooting & greenifying etc. etc. So you may want to give that a try.
Now that Lollipop is out what are people's thoughts about it compared to a mofo-rooted KitKat? Do the benefits of an updated OS outweigh those of root (albeit partial, but wifi-tehtering and xposed works)? What would you rather have?
Has anyone here made the switch?
From experience on other devices, lollipop is great. On the other hand, why bother sticking on xda if you were going to stay on unrooted stock (which is where 5.1 ota takers are going to stay). I'm not sure if people realize the increased difficulty finding these exploits especially on lollipop.
I guess that's the million-dollar question. Is there anything in Lollipop that would make someone switch from a mofo-rooted KK phone to Lollipop?
No, I can't stand the intrusive ads, and need Wi-Fi tethering with my unlimited plan
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If we were talking about an earlier version of Android then kk I would agree in principle, but Android is so mature at this point. I love being on the latest but most missing features between the versions can be added via third party apps or xposed. Very hard for me to give up root.
For me, there are two reasons I want Lollipop... so my fitbit will display text messages.. I guess it requires 5.0 or higher... and for ART.
But to lose xposed, to lose customizing the look (white on amoled.. so dumb), to lose editing my hosts file for adblocking, just so I can have my texts readable on my wrist and a slightly faster load times for apps.. no, just not worth it. I really hope someone finds a way to root LP, until then:
Mofo'd Kitkat all that way. Been rocking the same image I made since March 28 (I nicknamed it TurboTime )
I switch to Lollipop as Wifi didn't work quite well in KK. Drop, slow connection all the time. It's rock solid when I upgrade.
Still really missed the Xposed stuffs, but I still have my nexus to play with.
Also, isn't adblock slow the internet connection too? I realize it when I started COC, it's always freeze a few secs before loading.
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Also, isn't adblock slow the internet connection too? I realize it when I started COC, it's always freeze a few secs before loading.
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Non root adblocking can be slower as (some) reroute all your traffic through their servers where it strips ads before it gets to you, thus creating another step.
With root you can edit the hosts file.. which basically.. when a page, app or anything wants to go to www.AdsAllOver.com your phone believes that url is located at the ip address of 0.0.0.0 instead of the real address... thus the ad never loads. No slow down of speed just the denial of seeing crap.
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No, I can't stand the intrusive ads, and need Wi-Fi tethering with my unlimited plan
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I hear ya. It's all about xposed and wifi-tethering with my Verizon UDP as well. Hopefully a root method for Lollipop will be coming soon.
root > all else
As of my post, votes are leading going towards 5.1... however those voters arent speaking up.. Im curious why they feel being on 5.1 made things better.
Ive seen it made a 'less than optimal' wifi, a better function.. better battery life...(still havent seen an issue with KK battery [ 12 hours on batt 2 hours on screen time, still 57%]) ... and outside of that, Im still unsure why the people that voted 5.1 vs root did vote that way.
I really hope someone has a good argument toward upgrading but at this point, I feel those 5.1 Turbos offer less than a 4.4.4. rooted Turbo.
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As of my post, votes are leading going towards 5.1... however those voters arent speaking up.. Im curious why they feel being on 5.1 made things better.
Ive seen it made a 'less than optimal' wifi, a better function.. better battery life...(still havent seen an issue with KK battery [ 12 hours on batt 2 hours on screen time, still 57%]) ... and outside of that, Im still unsure why the people that voted 5.1 vs root did vote that way.
I really hope someone has a good argument toward upgrading but at this point, I feel those 5.1 Turbos offer less than a 4.4.4. rooted Turbo.
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Maybe people are voting for 5.1 because they feel the need to justify taking the OTA without thinking and losing root (sarcasm).
So far I haven't heard of any real advantages for upgrading yet (increased battery life, better camera, stronger signal strength, etc.). Maybe some folks who have upgraded can chime in?
I would really like to have Lollipop on my Turbo, but moving on without wifi tether, amplify, titanium backup, and gravity box is just not an option for me. What upsets me the most is that these functions need root to begin with. We really need all of these options in stock, especially app+data backup. It's a shame we have to resort to modding our devices just to get them to work the way we want them to.
Being one of the ones giving up mofo for 5.1. For me it came down to the only benefit root for me was ad blocking and Titanium to backup / freezer apps that I couldn't disable. The advantages of 5.1 are (hopefully) improved battery, advance calling actually working for better quality and simultaneous voice / data, location-based smart unlock, better integrated notification toggles, smoother overall phone and of course the itch to be on the latest version
So while I hope they figure out a way to upgrade the kernel and system files with mofo, for me the hurdles / odds didn't seem worth it given the above tradeoffs.
So that's my $.02 from a jumper.
Coming from 4 prior phone before the Turbo with WP Off, and able to do whatever I want, running Lollipop on my Galaxy S3 before I got my Turbo. I literally had the SAME setup via apps, configuration, interface, (Besides having ART on LP, and Dalvik on kk) between my Galaxy S3 w/ Lollipop and my Turbo 4.4 w/ 'root' where I did my own images and added in what I want.
When I got rid of my S3 to get my Turbo, I really didn't notice a difference. I really did like Lollipop because I had no issues with my apps like Xposed, Viper4Android. Then again going back to kk, no problem. Only thing that sucks is this god damn phone is plagued with the WiFi issue and there was never a hotfix that was released nor is there any build.prop fix or any config file we can edit to fix the issue.
Also depends what you do, I edited my own images, put in my own ad-block hosts file so I don't deal with that **** anymore. I have xposed, I edited my GPS .conf, I have a entropy fix running which makes it slightly snappier.
If you're like me and want these options still, stick with KK, but if you don't care for your own hosts file, new gps conf, more entropy, and Viper4Android, go ahead and update. Hopefully whoever takes the 5.1 OTA can get a mofo root if there is a exploit.
I'm definitely sticking with rooted Kk. I personally prefer the UI on Kk compared to lollipop, but it's the root that keeps me permanently on it. I have LP on my shield tablet, and am not a huge fan.
Are 32 votes enough of a sample to conclude that the slight majority of XDA'ers who own Droid Turbos would rather take the OTA and likely give up all hope of attaining root on Lollipop 5.1 (despite multiple warnings to not take the OTA and wait for a rooted IMG file that can be flashed with mofo)? Since only one "jumper" actually stated why he made the switch, is being on the latest and greatest OS really so much better, customization/control be damned (note that I did not say functionality)?
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GeoFX said:
Are 32 votes enough of a sample to conclude that the slight majority of XDA'ers who own Droid Turbos would rather take the OTA and likely give up all hope of attaining root on Lollipop 5.1 (despite multiple warnings to not take the OTA and wait for a rooted IMG file that can be flashed with mofo)? Since only one "jumper" actually stated why he made the switch, is being on the latest and greatest OS really so much better, customization/control be damned (note that I did not say functionality)?
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I've got a couple theories...
1. (Is yours from before) people need to justify taking the OTA, so will vote 5.1 just so they feel vindicated in their upgrade.
2. The 5.1 voters are just casual users that, maybe in the past have had customizable phones, thus know of xda, and saw this poll, voted for what they have and left.
3. Voters that have never truly customized their phone and are happy with whatever google decides the UI should look like.
4. Voters that think a higher number is always a better number.
5. Voters that found this forum from droid-life or other news outlets, that saw the poll, voted and left (extension of 2)
6. A group of crazies that find any poll on xda and decide to vote for the least logical solution.
I'm going with 1.. the biggest thing Im hearing about 5.1 is the battery life.. however Im also hearing most are factory resetting, which makes me wonder if they had factory resetted while on KK, if they would've see the same increase of battery life? (not installing apps you forgot you installed 4 months ago, don't use anymore, and it was those apps that were draining their KK battery)
I kinda / sorta feel bad for those that want to be on the cutting edge of tech and upgraded in excitement only to realize how screwed they just made themselves... (I mean we all found xda because at one point we all wanted to root / customize some phone right? And in upgrading, 5.1 users now have no way to root and customize)
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I've got a couple theories...
1. (Is yours from before) people need to justify taking the OTA, so will vote 5.1 just so they feel vindicated in their upgrade.
2. The 5.1 voters are just casual users that, maybe in the past have had customizable phones, thus know of xda, and saw this poll, voted for what they have and left.
3. Voters that have never truly customized their phone and are happy with whatever google decides the UI should look like.
4. Voters that think a higher number is always a better number.
5. Voters that found this forum from droid-life or other news outlets, that saw the poll, voted and left (extension of 2)
6. A group of crazies that find any poll on xda and decide to vote for the least logical solution.
I'm going with 1.. the biggest thing Im hearing about 5.1 is the battery life.. however Im also hearing most are factory resetting, which makes me wonder if they had factory resetted while on KK, if they would've see the same increase of battery life? (not installing apps you forgot you installed 4 months ago, don't use anymore, and it was those apps that were draining their KK battery)
I kinda / sorta feel bad for those that want to be on the cutting edge of tech and upgraded in excitement only to realize how screwed they just made themselves... (I mean we all found xda because at one point we all wanted to root / customize some phone right? And in upgrading, 5.1 users now have no way to root and customize)
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7) Users who actually have a real need for Lollipop, whether it be application development or for a bug fix (even though I haven't heard of any major bugs in KK fixed in 5.1 but there might be some).
Highly doubt this would apply to the majority of people who voted for Lollipop
I will patiently be waiting for L to be rooted just as I did for KK. When MOFO came out and I was finally able to block ads and use gravitybox, any thoughts of lollipop just disappeared.
Why is my wife's at&t S6 closing apps in the background with 1.1GB of free ram available? Her sisters iPhone 6+ is better at keeping apps open. Are there that many Samsung apologists out there that Samsung can get away with this? My S5 runs circles around her S6 when it comes to switching between apps quickly without having to wait for the browser or anything else to re-load.
I think it's a bug and even if there is a fix pushed by Samsung, shiitty att keeps from releasing it because they have to make sure their crap Value Wares are compatible with the new updates. I regret getting an att version. If it wasn't for the citi att access card promo, I'd went for the international or north american unlocked version.
Oh, and of course Samsung should have sorted it out before releasing the software. I tried moto e 2nd gen and really love how fluid the stock launcher is.
Not a fair comparison though. You're trying to compare a new, app-empty phone with one that presumably has a bunch of apps installed.
Op, if the phone runs smoothly, seems as though the memory manager is doing its job. If not, try to isolate the app that causes the problem. AoN
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Not a fair comparison though. You're trying to compare a new, app-empty phone with one that presumably has a bunch of apps installed.
Op,
. If not, try to isolate the app that causes the problem. AoN
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In not sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying that the S6 on At&t is closing apps in the background even when it has 1GB of free ram. I'm not willing to sacrifice functioning multitasking for smooth animations. Other phones don't have to.
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In not sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying that the S6 on At&t is closing apps in the background even when it has 1GB of free ram. I'm not willing to sacrifice functioning multitasking for smooth animations. Other phones don't have to.
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You're not crazy, it's crap. It reloads apps after about 20 seconds.
Absolutely horrible. I'm going Moto X Style to get away from this thing. No excuse for performance.
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At least these phones no longer take second to unlock or open the dialer. Probably the hardware can now overcome the stupid touchwiz crap.
In the past, all galaxy note phones I had had horrible stutter when unlocking or opening there dialer. ATT Note 3 was my last phone, and hated it.
On my Moto E, I have all the software installed as I used it for about a week as daily driver. It is smooth with snapdragon 410 and only slows down on CPU intensive tasks.
Yeah, it's terrible. Samsung has configured the inactive process killer to be extremely agressive.
I also had noticed a LOT of lag. Just trying to reply to a text message was an exercise in frustration as the keyboard would take up to a minute to respond to swiping or typing. I haven't seen it since I reverted to stock OCE and went through the update process (OE2, OF3, OF4), but I only did that yesterday so it remains to be seen if the sluggishness will come back.