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Basically my old Sensation is screaming die and I have my eyes on the Moto X, but I can't decide if I should wait and stick with T-Mobile or switch to AT&T. Main things I'm considering:
I would like to use Moto Maker, which AT&T has for at least 2 months (according to rumors).
T-Mobile should be getting the black or white versions "soon."
T-Mobile's plans are $10-20 per month cheaper for my situation, assuming current cost estimates of the Moto X.
T-Mobile might have less bloatware (no carrier branding in the notification area).
I guess what it really comes down to: Is AT&T's network/user experience that much better than T-Mobile's to justify the increased cost, bloatware, and exclusive customization? While the weight of Moto Maker is definitely a personal thing, please let me know your thoughts on the difference in the networks? Having only used a smartphone the T-mobile network, I just don't know if there would even be a discernible difference.
Thanks! :good:
felisen said:
Basically my old Sensation is screaming die and I have my eyes on the Moto X, but I can't decide if I should wait and stick with T-Mobile or switch to AT&T. Main things I'm considering:
I would like to use Moto Maker, which AT&T has for at least 2 months (according to rumors).
T-Mobile should be getting the black or white versions "soon."
T-Mobile's plans are $10-20 per month cheaper for my situation, assuming current cost estimates of the Moto X.
T-Mobile might have less bloatware (no carrier branding in the notification area).
I guess what it really comes down to: Is AT&T's network/user experience that much better than T-Mobile's to justify the increased cost, bloatware, and exclusive customization? While the weight of Moto Maker is definitely a personal thing, please let me know your thoughts on the difference in the networks? Having only used a smartphone the T-mobile network, I just don't know if there would even be a discernible difference.
Thanks! :good:
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It will vary from city to city, but unless I was really strapped for cash, I'd pay $10 extra for AT&T. Here in DC, I'm always on LTE on ATT, but on T-Mobile I'd say I saw edge at least a couple of times per week.
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There is surprisingly little bloatware on the at&t model.
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linuxgator said:
There is surprisingly little bloatware on the at&t model.
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Good to know thanks! I guess my only worries with respect to the bloatware is the AT&T logo in the notification area and something about an app that constantly popups asking to use it when calling someone (or something like that, it may have just been speculation I read).
I was going to start a new topic, but this forum is essentially the subject I wanted to ask about:
I'm thinking about getting the T-Mobile version of the Moto X because from everything I've read in these forums it's a bloatware-free device and has an unlocked SIM and (maybe) an unlockable bootloader.
I'd get the device to use on AT&T. What are the disadvantages of doing this (if any)?
-It sounds like there could be issues activating? Should I count on any such issues being surmountable?
-Will I receive over-the-air software updates?
-Will signal strength be in any way impacted?
-Will I have all the frequencies I need? I saw someone write that the T-Mobile version supports LTE bands 4 , 12 , 17 and the AT&T version supports bands 2, 4, 5, 17. It seems like in the USA AT&T only uses 4 and 17?
-What about 3G and voice signals?
-Using the phone overseas, say, Europe?
-Will any of this affect battery life compared with just using an AT&T phone on the AT&T network?
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
Lastly, people have said that the AT&T version of the phone is not bad in terms of bloatware. Does anyone think it makes more sense to just get the AT&T version of the phone?
That's a lot of questions. Any insight into any of them will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
This might help you guys to decide:
The reason T-Mobile users need to get this model is because it's the only Moto X which supports T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42 network on the AWS band. The AT&T-compatible Moto X supports T-Mobile's LTE, but not the HSPA band, which means that if you fall off of LTE you'll be in T-Mobile's much more limited, slower 1900MHz HSPA+ 21 coverage.
likeybikey said:
I was going to start a new topic, but this forum is essentially the subject I wanted to ask about:
I'm thinking about getting the T-Mobile version of the Moto X because from everything I've read in these forums it's a bloatware-free device and has an unlocked SIM and (maybe) an unlockable bootloader.
I'd get the device to use on AT&T. What are the disadvantages of doing this (if any)?
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Okay, I'll answer what I can here. I just got my tmo Moto X from the recent discount and I have lines with both T-Mobile and AT&T.
-It sounds like there could be issues activating? Should I count on any such issues being surmountable?
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I had no issues swapping either operator's SIM into my phone. It was SIM unlocked out of the box and the AT&T SIM worked great--native tethering even worked without a mod (sadly still see no solution for native tmo tethering).
-Will I receive over-the-air software updates?
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I would expect you to receive the same OTA updates as anyone running a tmo Moto X regardless of the att SIM.
-Will signal strength be in any way impacted?
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No. Many AT&T devices display more bars for a given signal strength than the same device on other operators (i.e. AT&T falsely makes signal look better than it is); I don't know if the AT&T Moto X does that or not, but it's just a display thing and not an actual difference.
-Will I have all the frequencies I need? I saw someone write that the T-Mobile version supports LTE bands 4 , 12 , 17 and the AT&T version supports bands 2, 4, 5, 17. It seems like in the USA AT&T only uses 4 and 17?
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My understanding is that those frequencies are correct. I get LTE on both operators just fine.
-What about 3G and voice signals?
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I haven't had any issues with either. Your frequency bands are all covered for everything AT&T does here in the US.
-Using the phone overseas, say, Europe?
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The AT&T version may be more likely to get LTE there--I am not familiar with the LTE bands used in Europe--but neither will have trouble attaching to the various European 3G networks (assuming you somehow convince AT&T to give you a SIM unlock code, or pay for one). Also if you include Canada in your calculations, a number of their networks will benefit from HSPA over AWS.
-Will any of this affect battery life compared with just using an AT&T phone on the AT&T network?
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It shouldn't.
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
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Yes, Motorola's warranty. As for other stuff, you'd have to ask SquareTrade (or whoever) to be sure, but I don't really see how unlocking the bootloader would make them reluctant to replace your cracked-glass phone.
Lastly, people have said that the AT&T version of the phone is not bad in terms of bloatware. Does anyone think it makes more sense to just get the AT&T version of the phone?
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If you're buying unlocked anyway, I think the tmo version is an easy choice unless you desperately need a new nano-SIM (though I think AT&T will give you one for free if you drop by a store). The bloatware may not be that bad on the AT&T version, but you have to use some awkward hacks to get system r/w and the like. Of course if you're willing to do that, then you can kill the bloatware anyway.
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No. Many AT&T devices display more bars for a given signal strength than the same device on other operators (i.e. AT&T falsely makes signal look better than it is); I don't know if the AT&T Moto X does that or not, but it's just a display thing and not an actual difference.
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Funny you should mention that. The AT&T 4.4 build has 5 bars to display the cellular signal strength, the tmobile 4.4 build only has 4. It is quite odd they are not the same, wonder who wanted something different...
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Funny you should mention that. The AT&T 4.4 build has 5 bars to display the cellular signal strength, the tmobile 4.4 build only has 4. It is quite odd they are not the same, wonder who wanted something different...
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I believe AT&T using five bars vs. T-Mobile's four predates their cheating on signal strength, but I could be wrong. I've only been a T-Mobile customer for about a year (and have now almost entirely phased out AT&T, woohoo!).
The lesson is that signal bars are misleading at best, meaningless and confounding at worst. Check the numeric signal strength if you're interested in knowing how good your signal really is.
Super-awesome reply! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. It really helps my decision process (I'm feeling emboldened to go for the T-Mobile version), and I'm sure this will help others as well. Thanks again!
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Okay, I'll answer what I can here. I just got my tmo Moto X from the recent discount and I have lines with both T-Mobile and AT&T.
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As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
So instead, I'll give you a quick recap:
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has absolutely no branding that I can find. Literally the only T-Mobile symbol I could find on the phone (software or hardware) was inside of it, on the T-Mobile Nano-SIM card.
- [From what I've read: motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215/] The T-Mobile version is essentially the developer's edition without the additional warranty coverage for unlocking your bootloader.
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has almost the same frequency bands as the AT&T version (except it also supports the HSDPA 1700 MHz band and doesn't support the LTE 850 MHz band)
Copied from GSMArena: gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_x-5601.php
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint4G Network
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint
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My Moto X usage:
I'm a former AT&T customer, having recently switched to Straight Talk through their BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone) program. I was still using the Motorola Atrix with a Mini-SIM card purchased from Straight Talk (the AT&T compatible one).
After receiving the $150 promo code and remembering the $100 old Motorola phones trade in program, it seemed like the right time to make the move and upgrade ($500 retail down to $250 after rebates/promotions). I placed my order on December 5th and was told it would arrive by the 10th (came on the 11th due to snow).
Once I got my Moto X, all I had to do was cut my Mini-SIM card down to a Nano-SIM card. Templates can be found here: airportal.de/nanosim/. Aside from the network cutting in and out (lasted for the first 10 minutes or so), I've had no problems since. I have access to 4G LTE and everything else seems to be working fine (haven't tried tethering yet).
In the end, I'd recommend the T-Mobile version just because there is no branding and it works fine on the AT&T network as well.
Thanks for adding to teiglin's reply! Good information for anyone interested in this phone!
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As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
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semaj1919 said:
As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
So instead, I'll give you a quick recap:
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has absolutely no branding that I can find. Literally the only T-Mobile symbol I could find on the phone (software or hardware) was inside of it, on the T-Mobile Nano-SIM card.
- [From what I've read: motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215/] The T-Mobile version is essentially the developer's edition without the additional warranty coverage for unlocking your bootloader.
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has almost the same frequency bands as the AT&T version (except it also supports the HSDPA 1700 MHz band and doesn't support the LTE 850 MHz band)
My Moto X usage:
I'm a former AT&T customer, having recently switched to Straight Talk through their BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone) program. I was still using the Motorola Atrix with a Mini-SIM card purchased from Straight Talk (the AT&T compatible one).
After receiving the $150 promo code and remembering the $100 old Motorola phones trade in program, it seemed like the right time to make the move and upgrade ($500 retail down to $250 after rebates/promotions). I placed my order on December 5th and was told it would arrive by the 10th (came on the 11th due to snow).
Once I got my Moto X, all I had to do was cut my Mini-SIM card down to a Nano-SIM card. Templates can be found here: airportal.de/nanosim/. Aside from the network cutting in and out (lasted for the first 10 minutes or so), I've had no problems since. I have access to 4G LTE and everything else seems to be working fine (haven't tried tethering yet).
In the end, I'd recommend the T-Mobile version just because there is no branding and it works fine on the AT&T network as well.
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I got the TMO version for use on AT&T. No branding at all.
I went to the AT&T store and they put in a new sim. I'm getting perfect service though I only see the 4G at the top. Wondering if I should also be seeing 4GLTE? Is there something else I need to do to get LTE speeds? Or am I already getting them and just don't see it?
Look here in xda, you won't get lte unless ATT registers your Moto with an imei from another ATT Moto. I had the same issue. There's a post here in xda where you will see what I had to do and who helped me
Rocking the new Moto X
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likeybikey said:
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
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I remember reading somewhere a chat between a potential customer and a Motorola rep. The rep said that unlocking it voids the entire warranty with Motorola, hardware included. So you would have to check with whoever else you could get the warranty with.
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I got the TMO version for use on AT&T. No branding at all.
I went to the AT&T store and they put in a new sim. I'm getting perfect service though I only see the 4G at the top. Wondering if I should also be seeing 4GLTE? Is there something else I need to do to get LTE speeds? Or am I already getting them and just don't see it?
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Sorry for the late response. I actually had to check my phone a few times just to confirm my thoughts before posting them here. I can't really comment on 4G and 4G LTE for AT&T, because I have Straight Talk. But from what I've read, I believe Straight Talk piggy-backs on AT&T's network as is, so I'd imagine it'd have to be similar.
I've been noticing the 4G icon in the notification bar also indicates 'LTE', although not all the time. There are times where I also see only the 4G icon without the 'LTE' symbol, during which speed tests have been much slower. Can't confirm what r_diaz13 posted, and I don't know if what he's saying applies to people on Straight Talk's network.
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Look here in xda, you won't get lte unless ATT registers your Moto with an imei from another ATT Moto. I had the same issue. There's a post here in xda where you will see what I had to do and who helped me
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This is WRONG.
Totally NOT necessary to use an IMEI from a different LTE phone.
I just activated an XT1053 (the TMo version, which is SIM unlocked).
Put in an AT&T nano-sim card which I picked up from my AT&T company owned store.
Called in to activate the card -- but asked to talk to 2nd level support since I knew 1st level would NOT be able to help and likely tell me the same kind of dumb stuff I've seen posted about how to get the phone to work.
2nd level support was great -- and because I knew what I was talking about, it took less than 5 min to take care of what is necessary.
You will need to manually enter MMSC and MMS Proxy in the APN settings
MMSC should be:
-https://mmsc.mobile.att.net-
don't enter with the dash at front and back, the forum doesn't let you post what they think are links if you are new.
MMS proxy should be:
proxy.mobile.att.net
Just as an FYI -- these settings are BURIED (you cannot see them) on the AT&T version --
And these settings are NOT DOWNLOADED AUTOMATICALLY via SIM card (I thought they might be).
You can confirm whether you are getting LTE service not only by the indicator in the status bar up at the top with signal strength but by going into ABOUT PHONE from the Settings menu (scroll all the way down). Then in that menu, click on STATUS. Here you will scroll down and see the battery level, network signal strength and mobile network type.
If you are getting 4G only, it would should HSPA+.
If you are getting LTE, it will show LTE here.
Hope that helps.
I'm just a bit weary of seeing the wrong information on this and hope this helps others out. The TMo version works great on AT&T, you just have to enter the MMSC and MMS proxy manually and you should be good to go.
Did you have an LTE plan before? I'm telling you it is true. The xda member that helped me out is an att employee who works at a att store and he was the only one able to do it. He told me since I didn't have an lte plan before it wouldn't just pick up lte. ATT has to end other feature in the account. When I gave then the tmo imei, it shows up as gsm only, not lte.
So if you already have lte, you are good to go with just a simple sim swap. If you don't have lte already, you need to follow these steps. Nothing to do with APN settings or anything.
Rocking the new Moto X
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Did you have an LTE plan before? I'm telling you it is true. The xda member that helped me out is an att employee who works at a att store and he was the only one able to do it. He told me since I didn't have an lte plan before it wouldn't just pick up lte. ATT has to end other feature in the account. When I gave then the tmo imei, it shows up as gsm only, not lte.
So if you already have lte, you are good to go with just a simple sim swap. If you don't have lte already, you need to follow these steps. Nothing to do with APN settings or anything.
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This is wrong information -- hopefully people here read through to get the accurate information.
I did NOT have an LTE plan before (I had a Moto Atrix 4G, which gave me HSPA+ service).
When I gave them the IMEI from the TMo Moto X I purchased, I asked them specifically, what does it show in your system?
2nd level support told me it was a non-ATT version of the Moto X -- totally accurate.
She then knew exactly what settings were needed (as I noted above in my post) to be entered. These settings are not shown anywhere on the AT&T version of the Moto X (again, I know because I have 3 of those that I unlocked).
To be clear to anyone else thinking of getting the TMo version of the Moto X. You do not need to lie and give them some other IMEI. You simply need to make sure you have those settings input into your phone. As soon as they were entered, my TMo XT1053 showed LTE service.
Please do not continue to give out wrong information -- this may have solved the problem for you (to give a different IMEI), but it is totally not necessary. I have seen people asking about how they are supposed to get an LTE IMEI to activate a nano sim card and get LTE service. It is not necessary on the TMo version (now Moto says this is the GSM unlocked version -- which is really more accurate because it has absolutely NO BRANDING and no other software from any provider -- and is exactly the same as the Dev Edition except for the fact that the Dev edition can be bootloader unlocked and retain its warranty).
I have the Dev Version (same as T-Mobile) running on Straight Talk with AT&T. Other than one small configuration issue in the phone settings LTE is working fine.
Hi,
does anyone of you imported Moto X to Europe? Did you have to pay import charges? Where did you order your Moto X? I was thinking of ebay.com, but I would like to pay not more than 600 USD, but with import charge it would be much more. Is there any internet shop that selling Moto X and it's not so expensive there?
Thanks for all your response.
Allso thinking about importing a Moto X. But with E-bay things get really expensive. Just plain white or black unlocked Moto X will set you back about 600 dollars incl shipping. Than you allso have to pay customs.
well I ordered yesterday a moto x from ebay. the phone was $549 + $20 shipping + $120 import fee.
total is $690 for an unlocked phone which is $40 more than the dev edition.
I don't really know if this price is okay-ish or if I've been robbed... fact is, this phone seems to have a good battery life and coming from a nexus 4 that can only be an improvement.
I think this phone is worth of its price
So ebay is the only way to order it and have it shipped to Europe?
Been having my eyes on the moto x since it became available in the US. My main concern though is not the price (although the import tax is way too expensive) but if the european carriers' LTE bands are supported by the x. Spending 600$ on a phone and not being able to get the 4G speeds is a setback...
I'm actually hoping for moto to produce an international version but probably just having way too high expectations...
I guess we are stuck with ebay at the moment and a big questionmark regarding LTE bands...
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So ebay is the only way to order it and have it shipped to Europe?
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amazon, motorola.com and cellular carrier
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Neither of them ships to Europe (maybe just amazon but there aren't interesting offers).
I also hopes for Google Play Edition, maybe that version will be available in Europe.
I think i saw a recap on the moto x Wikipedia page (the english one) that lists the 4g frequencies that the moto x can use. I think it covers pretty much every common bands.
(I'm one the phone so putting a link here is a bit of a hassle but it should be pretty easy to find)
I have imported a Rodgers moto x to the UK through family. Yes I did get import charges. It needs unlocking I did it through cellunlocker. All works fine.
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eliasf21 said:
Been having my eyes on the moto x since it became available in the US. My main concern though is not the price (although the import tax is way too expensive) but if the european carriers' LTE bands are supported by the x. Spending 600$ on a phone and not being able to get the 4G speeds is a setback...
I'm actually hoping for moto to produce an international version but probably just having way too high expectations...
I guess we are stuck with ebay at the moment and a big questionmark regarding LTE bands...
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I bought it from ebay unlocked/unnamed and it works perfect in Egypt (gsm) unfortunately we don't have LTE yet but H+ is really good.
Price on ebay dropped to something like us$ 490.
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I have imported a Rodgers moto x to the UK through family. Yes I did get import charges. It needs unlocking I did it through cellunlocker. All works fine.
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I think i saw a recap on the moto x Wikipedia page (the english one) that lists the 4g frequencies that the moto x can use. I think it covers pretty much every common bands.
(I'm one the phone so putting a link here is a bit of a hassle but it should be pretty easy to find)
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I think you are referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
The variants section state the bands.
I still don't think it'll work specifically in my country cause according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks I am on band 3 which is nowhere to be found on the previous link.
Just received it! Rooted, set locale to fr-CA (voice thing doesn't work with fr-FR). I don't have a nano sim yet, I'll try to trim down my existing sim... Either way the real nano sim is coming in the next couple of days.
Active notification is nice. Also, I don't know if this is because I'm mainly using it with USB plugged in but the screen also lights up when you grab the phone. No need to push the power button... It's actually quite nice : just grab the phone and unlock it and you're good to go.
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Just received it! Rooted, set locale to fr-CA (voice thing doesn't work with fr-FR). I don't have a nano sim yet, I'll try to trim down my existing sim... Either way the real nano sim is coming in the next couple of days.
Active notification is nice. Also, I don't know if this is because I'm mainly using it with USB plugged in but the screen also lights up when you grab the phone. No need to push the power button... It's actually quite nice : just grab the phone and unlock it and you're good to go.
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Active display and toucheless controls are awesome, made life easy and fast, also camera initiation by double twisting hand, this phone is a break through and I'm trying to imagine what will be the next moto x generation.
Got my Moto X today in the UK..... it's AWESOME.... but off swappa like I did
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I bought it from ebay unlocked/unnamed and it works perfect in Egypt (gsm) unfortunately we don't have LTE yet but H+ is really good.
Price on ebay dropped to something like us$ 490.
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Hi there,
Is there anyone that can confirm LTE on the moto x working in Europe (at dependable good speeds). Living in the Netherlands currently.
Going to the US for Christmas... would like to pick a moto x up (hopefully the wooden backs our then). Only thing that got me concerned is LTE compatibility. My google searches result in contradictive answers.
Motox should support LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 (... if someone could confirm this)
If only I would know someone used this phone successfully in the Netherlands (LTE .. 4G at expected speeds and dependable connectively)
thanks in advance!
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Hi there,
Is there anyone that can confirm LTE on the moto x working in Europe (at dependable good speeds). Living in the Netherlands currently.
Going to the US for Christmas... would like to pick a moto x up (hopefully the wooden backs our then). Only thing that got me concerned is LTE compatibility. My google searches result in contradictive answers.
Motox should support LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 (... if someone could confirm this)
If only I would know someone used this phone successfully in the Netherlands (LTE .. 4G at expected speeds and dependable connectively)
thanks in advance!
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We could probably help you determine if it would work but you would need to tell us what band(s) your provider uses for LTE in the Netherlands.
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We could probably help you determine if it would work but you would need to tell us what band(s) your provider uses for LTE in the Netherlands.
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providers I am willing to switch to are KPN, T-Mobile and Vodaphone (dutch providers)
wiki shows support for 800, 1800, 2600 (KPN alone supports 800)
again... google search results are contradictive. I believe it when I see it ; ) ... if someone confirms use in the larger cities I would be sold
thanks!
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providers I am willing to switch to are KPN, T-Mobile and Vodaphone (dutch providers)
wiki shows support for 800, 1800, 2600 (KPN alone supports 800)
again... google search results are contradictive. I believe it when I see it ; ) ... if someone confirms use in the larger cities I would be sold
thanks!
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I don't think you will see LTE support on the 800 or 1800 mhz frequencies used internationally, however 2600 Mhz is officially supported by the Rogers XT1058 Moto X. If you want to verify you need to look to see if the provider uses "band 7 LTE"
If they do then your best bet is a Rogers Moto X, they can be sim unlocked for 8 dollars or less and Motorola allows bootloader unlocking. There is no branding on the hardware or in the software which is nice. The only disadvantage is they are 16gb only and woven black/white only. I will probably be listing one on ebay or swappa soon myself as I have two of them.
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I don't think you will see LTE support on the 800 or 1800 mhz frequencies used internationally, however 2600 Mhz is officially supported by the Rogers XT1058 Moto X. If you want to verify you need to look to see if the provider uses "band 7 LTE"
If they do then your best bet is a Rogers Moto X, they can be sim unlocked for 8 dollars or less and Motorola allows bootloader unlocking. There is no branding on the hardware or in the software which is nice. The only disadvantage is they are 16gb only and woven black/white only. I will probably be listing one on ebay or swappa soon myself as I have two of them.
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Thanks for the quick response Steve-x
Pardon me for asking. Hope the following is not a dumb questions, but what is a Rogers Moto x? Is this a brand? or is it just a reference to a rooted device? How can I tell a xt1058 model apart from others? (I would really prefer picking a one up when I am in the US next week)
kind of need at least 32gigs... no sd card slot on this thing. However, compromises can not be avoided sometimes.
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Thanks for the quick response Steve-x
Pardon me for asking. Hope the following is not a dumb questions, but what is a Rogers Moto x? Is this a brand? or is it just a reference to a rooted device? How can I tell a xt1058 model apart from others? (I would really prefer picking a one up when I am in the US next week)
kind of need at least 32gigs... no sd card slot on this thing. However, compromises can not be avoided sometimes.
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Not a dumb question at all. Rogers is a mobile phone provider in Canada, they sell the XT1058 version of the Moto X in woven black or white, 16gb only. They are simlocked when new but can be unlocked for 8 dollars or less and they have 2600 mhz band 7 LTE enabled.(this band isn't used in the US) Motorola also allows this version of the Moto X to have the bootloader unlocked which allows for easy rooting and you can flash images from other providers. I am using one myself with a different provider in Canada with the retail version 4.4 installed. There are also no provider logos on the back of the phone which is nice.
Hi there...
I own a ATT MotoX and a Brazilian Vivo MotoX.
Supposedly they are the same model XT1058, but ATT and US Motorola and i think everywhere else (even so at iFixit teardown) is written that the American Moto X supports bands 2,4,5, and 17. Where the Brazilian MotoX works also with Band 7 (2600mhz... that is used in EU and South America).
I've been trying for sometime to test the ATT one with brazilian LTE, but was unsuccesful, until today when I flashed the 4.4 leaked from ATT on BOTH devices. And BOTH have LTE band 7 now.
Weird.
But Cool!
=)
I'm writing here only because i couldn't find ANY information about REAL usage of band 7 on ATT MotoX.
So anyone flying to europe or brazil, with the motoX (except T-mobile) will get coverage.
Very interesting information. Rogers Canada sells an XT1058 and they list that the phone supports band 7 LTE (2600 mhz). Rogers does use band 7 so it would make sense but the FCC(US) and IC(Canada) regulatory bodies do not list any 2600 mhz support for the XT1058. And as you mentioned the iFixit tear down shows no hardware for 2600 Mhz.
How are you able to verify 100% for certain they are using 2600 Mhz? I am assuming your provider has LTE only on 2600 Mhz?
Exactly.
And here is proof.
Vivo Brazil only works with Band 7 - 2600mhz
The weird thing is as I said before... It only started working after the 4.4 leak.
Maybe it was the modem image.
Maybe it was a problem with my LTE signal before. But to be sure, someone should try flashing the brazilian jellybean modem on a att/rogers phone.
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fvc2000 said:
Exactly.
And here is proof.
Vivo Brazil only works with Band 7 - 2600mhz
The weird thing is as I said before... It only started working after the 4.4 leak.
Maybe it was the modem image.
Maybe it was a problem with my LTE signal before. But to be sure, someone should try flashing the brazilian jellybean modem on a att/rogers phone.
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Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
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Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
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You can't unlock the bootloader on an AT&T Moto X, it is not the one you want to buy.
idonxda said:
Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
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You can't unlock the bootloader on an AT&T Moto X, it is not the one you want to buy.
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Yes... you can't unlock the bootloader on the ATT MotoX...
But you don't need to.
My wife is using right now the ATT MotoX in Brazil with working LTE Band 7.
I'm not entirely sure if on Jellybean, as it comes from factory, it WOULD work with Band 7. But, since I've been testing it, from the "camera OTA" to kitkat, it does work. Without custom rom.
You will only need to SIM unlock it.
And that's pretty easy.
The only thing from MY experience is that the baseband/modem from the ATT drains more battery than the one from VIVO (brazilian operator).
Maybe because the VIVO one, has the modem optimized for the Band 7.
4.2.2 had band 7 disabled. There is no guarantee a future update won't disable it again, keep that in mind. The phone is not certified for band 7 use in the US. Hopefully what they did was enable for use when outside of the US. If you have a phone with an unlockable bootloader such as a Rogers phone you can always ensure it will be enabled and install firmware with no bloatware at all and have no branding on the outside of the phone.
So there are many options, guess its just best to know the positives/negatives of each.
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Yes... you can't unlock the bootloader on the ATT MotoX...
But you don't need to.
My wife is using right now the ATT MotoX in Brazil with working LTE Band 7.
I'm not entirely sure if on Jellybean, as it comes from factory, it WOULD work with Band 7. But, since I've been testing it, from the "camera OTA" to kitkat, it does work. Without custom rom.
You will only need to SIM unlock it.
And that's pretty easy.
The only thing from MY experience is that the baseband/modem from the ATT drains more battery than the one from VIVO (brazilian operator).
Maybe because the VIVO one, has the modem optimized for the Band 7.
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ok thanks,me little confused, so if I buy MOTOX on AT&t by using the Moomaker and use it in UK (do i need it tosim unlock?) then I will be able to use the Band 7 in UK, but the phone should have installed the 4.4 kitkat ? so can i upgrade the jellybean which will com as a pre-installed to 4.4 leaked kitkat withoutout unlockng rthe boot loader?
Thanks in advance
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4.2.2 had band 7 disabled. There is no guarantee a future update won't disable it again, keep that in mind. The phone is not certified for band 7 use in the US. Hopefully what they did was enable for use when outside of the US. If you have a phone with an unlockable bootloader such as a Rogers phone you can always ensure it will be enabled and install firmware with no bloatware at all and have no branding on the outside of the phone.
So there are many options, guess its just best to know the positives/negatives of each.
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JB 4.2.2 factory default may not support Band 7 @ ATT, but JB 4.2.2 with camera OTA does.
And that is still 4.2.2
I can confirm because I used it for a while, before att kitkat official build.
But yes, you are right. ATT may disable Band 7 again in a future update. And with locked boot loader, there will be nothing to do about it.
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ok thanks,me little confused, so if I buy MOTOX on AT&t by using the Moomaker and use it in UK (do i need it tosim unlock?) then I will be able to use the Band 7 in UK, but the phone should have installed the 4.4 kitkat ? so can i upgrade the jellybean which will com as a pre-installed to 4.4 leaked kitkat withoutout unlockng rthe boot loader?
Thanks in advance
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The upgrade with come OTA automatically. And even if it doesnt , you can manually flash the update with the Official files from Motorola.
But you will need a SIM unlock code to make it work with you mobile operator in UK.
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I can confirm XT1058 Brazilian Firmware has Band 7.
I'm from Brazil and the only Band we use here for LTE, for all carriers, is Band 7.
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I can confirm XT1058 Brazilian Firmware has Band 7.
I'm from Brazil and the only Band we use here for LTE, for all carriers, is Band 7.
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Thanks but can you install brazil firmware on motx on AT&T to enqble band 7 on this as well?
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JB 4.2.2 factory default may not support Band 7 @ ATT, but JB 4.2.2 with camera OTA does.
And that is still 4.2.2
I can confirm because I used it for a while, before att kitkat official build.
But yes, you are right. ATT may disable Band 7 again in a future update. And with locked boot loader, there will be nothing to do about it.
The upgrade with come OTA automatically. And even if it doesnt , you can manually flash the update with the Official files from Motorola.
But you will need a SIM unlock code to make it work with you mobile operator in UK.
Sent from my XT1058 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Do you know maybe, has ATT 4.4 enabled band 7 LTE (2600MHz) as well?Thanks.
piskr said:
Do you know maybe, has ATT 4.4 enabled band 7 LTE (2600MHz) as well?Thanks.
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Well not directly answering your question, but i'm on an ATT Motomaker version with 4.4 and here in Hong Kong I do get LTE coverage (HK has 1800MHz and 2600MHz). Fairly sure the X doesn't have 1800MHz so this should mean that that phone has 2600Mhz active on 4.4.
Exactly. ATT has band 7 working on kitkat.
We are just warning that ATT may remove it someday.
I think (my opinion) that is safe to go with it.
But again, you won't be able to flash Brazilian or Canadian radio on it if they remove support. Because the boot loader is locked.
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Small update of bands due to European model appearance
Moto x t-mobile us in uk network
i bought an t-mobile version of moto x and using it here in UK with vodafone. The top right icon shows 4G so not sure if that means that it is using LTE? The vodafone LTE only works on 2600 and 800 mhtz but if you look at the spcs of t-mobile version its no way matches, slightly confused. Looks like that after 4.4 kitkat motox supports all LTE bands, i know it sound stupid but here on this forum we can see that it is case for moto x at&t and then t-mobile(mine). Any expert views?
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i bought an t-mobile version of moto x and using it here in UK with vodafone. The top right icon shows 4G so not sure if that means that it is using LTE? The vodafone LTE only works on 2600 and 800 mhtz but if you look at the spcs of t-mobile version its no way matches, slightly confused. Looks like that after 4.4 kitkat motox supports all LTE bands, i know it sound stupid but here on this forum we can see that it is case for moto x at&t and then t-mobile(mine). Any expert views?
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Isn't 4G used for HSPA+ in the US? That might be an explanation. You can check under Settings -> about phone -> status which connection is used.
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Isn't 4G used for HSPA+ in the US? That might be an explanation. You can check under Settings -> about phone -> status which connection is used.
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4G on a US Moto X is just HSDPA+. The T-Mobile version doesn't come with band 7.
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4G on a US Moto X is just HSDPA+. The T-Mobile version doesn't come with band 7.
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Great, things like getting little clearer so if it does not have babd 7 then why does it show 4G on the top right corner i mean for example depending on the signal type available in a particular area the icon should also change e.g. 3G, H, E, G etc? And the wird thing is it shows hsdpa+ in the 'about phone' section despite the 4G icon display in status bar, am i missing something here?
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Great, things like getting little clearer so if it does not have babd 7 then why does it show 4G on the top right corner i mean for example depending on the signal type available in a particular area the icon should also change e.g. 3G, H, E, G etc? And the wird thing is it shows hsdpa+ in the 'about phone' section despite the 4G icon display in status bar, am i missing something here?
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It is a US Moto X. In the US they have the phone show 4G when using HSPA and 4Glte when it is connected via LTE.(They don't care what 4G is supposed to mean, they want everyone to think they are connected at a very high speed)
I know that tmobile moto x is not carrier/sim locked, read it in many threads here.
But does it need to be activated with tmobile sim first time?
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I know that tmobile moto x is not carrier/sim locked, read it in many threads here.
But does it need to be activated with tmobile sim first time?
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No.
T-Mobile Networks
Well, I hope it's true that the T-Mobile comes with the Sim unlocked... I think I'll buy it tomorrow with the promotion of the cyber-monday extension.
But I'm a little worried about the T-mobile version network support, you see, most people, including me, of my country buy Unlocked ATT variants from the US, because here we only have these networks:
850 - Movistar / C&W Panama
1900 - Claro
1800/1900 - Digicel
I'm with Claro so I'll need 1900.
Since most of the ATT variants work with those bands, people over here buy those... While T-Mobile variants don't. But now I'm seeing that the Moto X from T-Mobile supports four 2G GSM bands (850/900/1800/1900) and comes with five UMTS bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100).
I'm not checking the LTE capabilities, since my country hasn't implemented it yet, and when they will, I'll probably won't use it after some years ($$$).
So, does this phone really works for me? I thought of buying an ATT variant but it seems some persons here (xda community) had problems unlocking the sim... (I don't mind paying to get it unlocked) One even posted that couldn't unlocked, used all the tries and had to put it on sale trough eBay :crying:
Well, what do you guys think of this...? Really, really crossing my fingers here :fingers-crossed: (Just checking the bands here, not much interested on rooting the phone, actually scared too. Don't wan't to hard brick anything )
Darel18 said:
Well, I hope it's true that the T-Mobile comes with the Sim unlocked... I think I'll buy it tomorrow with the promotion of the cyber-monday extension.
But I'm a little worried about the T-mobile version network support, you see, most people, including me, of my country buy Unlocked ATT variants from the US, because here we only have these networks:
850 - Movistar / C&W Panama
1900 - Claro
1800/1900 - Digicel
I'm with Claro so I'll need 1900.
Since most of the ATT variants work with those bands, people over here buy those... While T-Mobile variants don't. But now I'm seeing that the Moto X from T-Mobile supports four 2G GSM bands (850/900/1800/1900) and comes with five UMTS bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100).
I'm not checking the LTE capabilities, since my country hasn't implemented it yet, and when they will, I'll probably won't use it after some years ($$$).
So, does this phone really works for me? I thought of buying an ATT variant but it seems some persons here (xda community) had problems unlocking the sim... (I don't mind paying to get it unlocked) One even posted that couldn't unlocked, used all the tries and had to put it on sale trough eBay :crying:
Well, what do you guys think of this...? Really, really crossing my fingers here :fingers-crossed: (Just checking the bands here, not much interested on rooting the phone, actually scared too. Don't wan't to hard brick anything )
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If the T-Mo one supports the bands you need then why roll the dice with the AT&T version? If you really want the AT&T version and AT&T won't unlock it for you then you can just return it. If you want to get in on the sale price and don't want to risk anything then buy one of each so at least you will have the T-Mo one to fall back on. Just some suggestions. I am not really familiar with bands and sim unlocking and how it's done.
Darel18 said:
Well, I hope it's true that the T-Mobile comes with the Sim unlocked... I think I'll buy it tomorrow with the promotion of the cyber-monday extension.
But I'm a little worried about the T-mobile version network support, you see, most people, including me, of my country buy Unlocked ATT variants from the US, because here we only have these networks:
850 - Movistar / C&W Panama
1900 - Claro
1800/1900 - Digicel
I'm with Claro so I'll need 1900.
Since most of the ATT variants work with those bands, people over here buy those... While T-Mobile variants don't. But now I'm seeing that the Moto X from T-Mobile supports four 2G GSM bands (850/900/1800/1900) and comes with five UMTS bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100).
I'm not checking the LTE capabilities, since my country hasn't implemented it yet, and when they will, I'll probably won't use it after some years ($$$).
So, does this phone really works for me? I thought of buying an ATT variant but it seems some persons here (xda community) had problems unlocking the sim... (I don't mind paying to get it unlocked) One even posted that couldn't unlocked, used all the tries and had to put it on sale trough eBay :crying:
Well, what do you guys think of this...? Really, really crossing my fingers here :fingers-crossed: (Just checking the bands here, not much interested on rooting the phone, actually scared too. Don't wan't to hard brick anything )
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I am also thinking to buy one tomorrow.
[email protected] said:
If the T-Mo one supports the bands you need then why roll the dice with the AT&T version? If you really want the AT&T version and AT&T won't unlock it for you then you can just return it. If you want to get in on the sale price and don't want to risk anything then buy one of each so at least you will have the T-Mo one to fall back on. Just some suggestions. I am not really familiar with bands and sim unlocking and how it's done.
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Oh, just wanted to be extra sure that this version will work with the bands available here at Panama... Guess there's nothing weird with that variant of the Moto X having 5 UMTS bands instead of 4 like the others.
Anyway, I'll post my feedback later when I buy and get the product, wish me luck and thanks :victory:
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I am also thinking to buy one tomorrow.
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Wish you the best of luck bro! :good:
Guys... look at this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466&highlight=sim+network+unlock
From what the whole thread states the tmobile version is sim unlocked out of the box even through moto maker. In fact they are stating that there is little difference between the tmobile and dev edition.
So from the whole thread there I will pruchase tmobile. Verizon is unlocked but does not have the correct radios for my countries 3g network. Att does but I do not want to have to go through the hastle of unlocking it... even if its simple to buy a code.
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Darel18 said:
Oh, just wanted to be extra sure that this version will work with the bands available here at Panama... Guess there's nothing weird with that variant of the Moto X having 5 UMTS bands instead of 4 like the others.
Anyway, I'll post my feedback later when I buy and get the product, wish me luck and thanks :victory:
Wish you the best of luck bro! :good:
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Also go to the companies and ask what bands they work with expecially the 3g and 4g. I know first hand that Verizon does not support most of the bands in central america... Ive had verizon phones here and they only get 2g sometimes. And good luck with going to the companies... most people there have no idea... and they will stare at you with a blank look on their face when you ask about bands and will probably try to sell you a phone. So be patient.
Also... keep us updated!!
I have an Claro Chile phone using tmobile kit kat and works 2g, 3g, h/h+, 4g LTE bands without any issies
Hi guys i plan on buying a ATT Moto X XT-1058 and unlocking it and am wondering what kind of service i will get on tmobile. I saw that att has all the same 4g bands as the tmobile moto x but the tmobile has the 1700 3G band that the att model doesnt. Will i get LTE speeds on tmobile with the ATT Moto x
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Hi guys i plan on buying a ATT Moto X XT-1058 and unlocking it and am wondering what kind of service i will get on tmobile. I saw that att has all the same 4g bands as the tmobile moto x but the tmobile has the 1700 3G band that the att model doesnt. Will i get LTE speeds on tmobile with the ATT Moto x
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You should get LTE, but you won't get HSPA/HSPA+ unless you are in a "re-farmed area" using UTMS on 1900mhz.
Sounds like you have already done the research....so not really sure what you are asking...
You can see if you are in a re-farmed area by searching google for "t-mobile network optimization" - if you area is "optimized" you are in a refarmed area.
The big drawback is that *IF no T-mobile LTE is available, AND you aren't in a re-farmed area* you will only get 2G (EDGE) speeds. YUCK!
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You should get LTE, but you won't get HSPA/HSPA+ unless you are in a "re-farmed area" using UTMS on 1900mhz.
Sounds like you have already done the research....so not really sure what you are asking...
You can see if you are in a re-farmed area by searching google for "t-mobile network optimization" - if you area is "optimized" you are in a refarmed area.
The big drawback is that *IF no T-mobile LTE is available, AND you aren't in a re-farmed area* you will only get 2G (EDGE) speeds. YUCK!
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alright so i should get LTE and i did some research but just wanted to make sure so i dont get screwed over. I live in Leesburg va which is about 30 minutes from DC and DC is one of the refarmed areas so should i get the HSPA+ to?
ultrairon said:
alright so i should get LTE and i did some research but just wanted to make sure so i dont get screwed over. I live in Leesburg va which is about 30 minutes from DC and DC is one of the refarmed areas so should i get the HSPA+ to?
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if T Mobile's website says that your area has completed network optimization then yes. You should be good for both LTE and HSPA+. Remember that HSPA is only a fallback for when LTE is unavailable... :good:
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if T Mobile's website says that your area has completed network optimization then yes. You should be good for both LTE and HSPA+. Remember that HSPA is only a fallback for when LTE is unavailable... :good:
Hit thanks if I've answered your questions
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Thanks for your help. So ill be good for LTE most of the time but when LTE is unavaiable then HSPA will be the fallback if im in a refarmed area if im not then ill get 2G. That sounds good for me i dont really leave the DC area much. I hit thanks
ultrairon said:
Thanks for your help. So ill be good for LTE most of the time but when LTE is unavaiable then HSPA will be the fallback if im in a refarmed area if im not then ill get 2G. That sounds good for me i dont really leave the DC area much. I hit thanks
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One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy the AT&T branded XT1058 it is the ONLY variant that cannot have the bootloader unlocked, which means you can't flash the T-Mobile ROM to get things like visual voicemail working as they should..
I actually ended up soft bricking one of my XT1058 because I tried to flash T-Mob version, am now waiting on official 4.4.4 FW to be released so I can get that fixed.
In retrospect, I'd have bought an XT1053 instead or a Rogers-branded XT1058 - i didn't do my research and hence got suckered into the lower prices of the ATT ones on eBay.. just my 2 cents..
blackout420 said:
One thing to keep in mind is that if you buy the AT&T branded XT1058 it is the ONLY variant that cannot have the bootloader unlocked, which means you can't flash the T-Mobile ROM to get things like visual voicemail working as they should..
I actually ended up soft bricking one of my XT1058 because I tried to flash T-Mob version, am now waiting on official 4.4.4 FW to be released so I can get that fixed.
In retrospect, I'd have bought an XT1053 instead or a Rogers-branded XT1058 - i didn't do my research and hence got suckered into the lower prices of the ATT ones on eBay.. just my 2 cents..
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Alright thanks but I can still root it and flash paranoid android right?
ultrairon said:
Alright thanks but I can still root it and flash paranoid android right?
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Um....no.
In your original post, you said you intended to "unlock" it - I **THOUGHT** you meant "SIM-UNLOCK" it.
Not only is the AT&T Moto X **BOOTLOADER-LOCKED**, but it is also **SIM-LOCKED** at AT&T.
The ONLY way to use it on T-Mobile is to SIM-UNLOCK it - you do this by obtaining an unlock code from an online unlock code seller.
Now there is only ONE way to unlock the bootloader to be able to flash other ROMS. You have to pay $45 to the "China Middleman" to get a bootloader unlock code. He somehow has access do Motorola's database. He doesn't have all of the codes, so it might not be possible to BOOTLOADER-UNLOCK at all. There is no other way. Zero.
Considering that you are going to have to pay between $10 and $30 to get a SIM-UNLOCK code, **AND** another $45 to get a BOOTLOADER-UNLOCK code (assuming you want to be able to root and flash custom ROMS).....you might want to give up on this idea of using an AT&T Moto X, and instead, buy the actual T-MOBILE Moto X.
I really thought you already understood all of this. Your OP stating that you intended to unlock it to use it on T-Mobile gave me the impression that you KNEW it was sim-locked to AT&T.
Hope this answers all of your questions.
samwathegreat said:
Um....no.
In your original post, you said you intended to "unlock" it - I **THOUGHT** you meant "SIM-UNLOCK" it.
Not only is the AT&T Moto X **BOOTLOADER-LOCKED**, but it is also **SIM-LOCKED** at AT&T.
The ONLY way to use it on T-Mobile is to SIM-UNLOCK it - you do this by obtaining an unlock code from an online unlock code seller.
Now there is only ONE way to unlock the bootloader to be able to flash other ROMS. You have to pay $45 to the "China Middleman" to get a bootloader unlock code. He somehow has access do Motorola's database. He doesn't have all of the codes, so it might not be possible to BOOTLOADER-UNLOCK at all. There is no other way. Zero.
Considering that you are going to have to pay between $10 and $30 to get a SIM-UNLOCK code, **AND** another $45 to get a BOOTLOADER-UNLOCK code (assuming you want to be able to root and flash custom ROMS).....you might want to give up on this idea of using an AT&T Moto X, and instead, buy the actual T-MOBILE Moto X.
I really thought you already understood all of this. Your OP stating that you intended to unlock it to use it on T-Mobile gave me the impression that you KNEW it was sim-locked to AT&T.
Hope this answers all of your questions.
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that is what i meant in the OP but then you said that the bootloader cant be unlocked so i was also wondering if it can be rooted. Guess not ill look into T-mobile Moto X's