I just got my phone from a local phone store, I checked that my phone is XT1060 and it's a verizon developer version, but I went to motorola's website and prepared to unlock the phone, the website said that my phone can't be unlocked, and I found that there's no any verizon logo and logo of "Developer's version" It's clean on the back of my phone except the Moto's logo, I am wondered that if my phone was a GSM version but somebody flashed the phone to the XT1060's developers' version rom, can it happened?
Thank you for your help!!!!!
P.S. Can I root my moto x in this status?
1. How did you verify the model number was XT1060? Exactly where did you look?
2. What gave you the idea it was a Developer Edition?
3. Can you root? If you can't unlock the bootloader, and if you have android 4.4.2 on your phone, then no. If you have 4.4 or 4.2.2, then find the SlapMyMoto thread.
4. VZW ROM on GSM phone? Possible, but no reason to. the GSM XT1053 ROM is "bloat free" so it would be a better option if its a GSM phone. At the same respect, cross flashing roms and radios between models (say XT1060 Verizon X rom onto a GSM XT1053 Dev/T-Mobile phone, or flashing the GSM XT053 T-Mo Rom on a GSM XT1058 ATT phone, is a little risky.). In some cases you can't cross flash unless the bootloader is unlocked.
The Developer Edition phones (GSM or the Dev Edition for Verizon) are all black front, woven white back, silver accents (buttons/camera ring), and 32 gig. They say Developer Edition on the back. (see the pix in those links)
The Verizon models, developer edition included, have the Verizon logo on the back. Then again, I'm not sure about the Moto Maker X if they take the time to but the carrier logo on the back.
The only place I've ever seen the model number on the phone, is on the back, near the bottom edge. Depending on the color of the writing and the back's color, it can be hard to see/read. On my VZW Dev X, its gray print on the woven white back which makes it extremely difficult. My Sister-in-law's Moto Maker with black back is hard to read too. You might have to angle it, "bounce light off it", etc. to read it.
On the phone... bring up the app drawer... then go settings -> about. What is listed for Android Version, System Version, and Build Number?
KidJoe said:
1. How did you verify the model number was XT1060? Exactly where did you look?
2. What gave you the idea it was a Developer Edition?
3. Can you root? If you can't unlock the bootloader, and if you have android 4.4.2 on your phone, then no. If you have 4.4 or 4.2.2, then find the SlapMyMoto thread.
4. VZW ROM on GSM phone? Possible, but no reason to. the GSM XT1053 ROM is "bloat free" so it would be a better option if its a GSM phone. At the same respect, cross flashing roms and radios between models (say XT1060 Verizon X rom onto a GSM XT1053 Dev/T-Mobile phone, or flashing the GSM XT053 T-Mo Rom on a GSM XT1058 ATT phone, is a little risky.). In some cases you can't cross flash unless the bootloader is unlocked.
The Developer Edition phones (GSM or the Dev Edition for Verizon) are all black front, woven white back, silver accents (buttons/camera ring), and 32 gig. They say Developer Edition on the back. (see the pix in those links)
The Verizon models, developer edition included, have the Verizon logo on the back. Then again, I'm not sure about the Moto Maker X if they take the time to but the carrier logo on the back.
The only place I've ever seen the model number on the phone, is on the back, near the bottom edge. Depending on the color of the writing and the back's color, it can be hard to see/read. On my VZW Dev X, its gray print on the woven white back which makes it extremely difficult. My Sister-in-law's Moto Maker with black back is hard to read too. You might have to angle it, "bounce light off it", etc. to read it.
On the phone... bring up the app drawer... then go settings -> about. What is listed for Android Version, System Version, and Build Number?
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First, thank you for your help, I looked into bootloader and enter barcode page and found that it is a XT1060, second, I googled it and people say it is Moto X Verizon Developers' version, thirdly, I am on 4.4.2. and I can't gain root or any bootloader unlock, so I am now doubting that it is a verizon Consumers' version moto X, but I can't see any logo on the lower back on my phone, and my phone is black in back and white in front, also it has silver buttons. I recently checked it and cannot find any logo on the bottom near edge.
Here's the system information:
System Version: 164.55.2.ghost_verizon.Verizon.en.US
Build Number: KXA20.16-1.25.2
Thank you for your help
As said above, dev edition is black front, white back. If that's not what you have, then it isn't a dev edition.
If it is....sometimes the Motorola bootloader unlock site is glitchy....just gotta keep trying it.
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K.. You said black in back, white in front??? Getting confused. Lol
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This is the Dev edition.
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rommanager said:
First, thank you for your help, I looked into bootloader and enter barcode page and found that it is a XT1060,
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When you used the Moto web page to bootloader unlock, did you do EXACTLY as it said? I don't recall a barcode page.
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second, I googled it and people say it is Moto X Verizon Developers' version
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You googled it? what the phone? or developer edition? or ?? and what "people"?
I had links to Moto's page offering both the GSM Developer and VZW Developer edition. There is a picture (which kj2112 has now pasted directly in this thread). It was so you can compare the look of your device to the Dev Edition. The developer editions only come looking that way. If yours does not look that way, you do not have a developer edition.
rommanager said:
, thirdly, I am on 4.4.2. and I can't gain root or any bootloader unlock, so I am now doubting that it is a verizon Consumers' version moto X,
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You can't unlock the bootloader on the Non-Developer Edition Verizon X. At least not via the Moto web site. In other words, if it is a Moto X for Verizon that came from a Verizon Retail store, or Moto Maker, then you can't get the bootloader unlock code from Motorola.
And if your phone is an XT1060 (Verizon). If it has 4.4.2 on the phone (which your does), and you don't have the Developer Edition for Verizon (which it appears you don't) you can not root or disable write protection on it.
The only way to root/disable write protection on the Verizon X with 4.4.2 is to unlock the bootloader (either having a Developer Edition or by visiting that Chinese web site/middle man and buying a code). The exploits used to root and disable write protection were patched in 4.4.2. If you have a locked bootloader you are stuck.
rommanager said:
but I can't see any logo on the lower back on my phone, and my phone is black in back and white in front, also it has silver buttons. I recently checked it and cannot find any logo on the bottom near edge.
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Again, The Dev Edition comes only one way. So if your phone is BLACK on the back and white on the front, it is NOT the Developer Edition. I linked to the moto page so you could see the picture.
at the very bottom of the back, in TINY and Hard to See print, it lists the model.
The only other option is someone replaced the back on the phone, so no model info will show on it.
rommanager said:
Here's the system information:
System Version: 164.55.2.ghost_verizon.Verizon.en.US
Build Number: KXA20.16-1.25.2
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Ok, that is the Verizon 4.4.2 ROM. If you have a moto maker or retail verizon moto X, you can't get a bootloader unlock code from Moto. They don't give them out for Verizon and ATT, unless you have the Developer Edition X.
KidJoe said:
When you used the Moto web page to bootloader unlock, did you do EXACTLY as it said? I don't recall a barcode page.
You googled it? what the phone? or developer edition? or ?? and what "people"?
I had links to Moto's page offering both the GSM Developer and VZW Developer edition. There is a picture (which kj2112 has now pasted directly in this thread). It was so you can compare the look of your device to the Dev Edition. The developer editions only come looking that way. If yours does not look that way, you do not have a developer edition.
You can't unlock the bootloader on the Non-Developer Edition Verizon X. At least not via the Moto web site. In other words, if it is a Moto X for Verizon that came from a Verizon Retail store, or Moto Maker, then you can't get the bootloader unlock code from Motorola.
And if your phone is an XT1060 (Verizon). If it has 4.4.2 on the phone (which your does), and you don't have the Developer Edition for Verizon (which it appears you don't) you can not root or disable write protection on it.
The only way to root/disable write protection on the Verizon X with 4.4.2 is to unlock the bootloader (either having a Developer Edition or by visiting that Chinese web site/middle man and buying a code). The exploits used to root and disable write protection were patched in 4.4.2. If you have a locked bootloader you are stuck.
Again, The Dev Edition comes only one way. So if your phone is BLACK on the back and white on the front, it is NOT the Developer Edition. I linked to the moto page so you could see the picture.
at the very bottom of the back, in TINY and Hard to See print, it lists the model.
The only other option is someone replaced the back on the phone, so no model info will show on it.
Ok, that is the Verizon 4.4.2 ROM. If you have a moto maker or retail verizon moto X, you can't get a bootloader unlock code from Moto. They don't give them out for Verizon and ATT, unless you have the Developer Edition X.
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Oh Thank you, seems that I don't have a moto x developer version, I might need to wait for motorola for the bootloader unlock service...
rommanager said:
Oh Thank you, seems that I don't have a moto x developer version, I might need to wait for motorola for the bootloader unlock service...
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Moto will NOT unlock the X for Verizon or ATT unless its a developer edition.
Your best bet is to try the 3rd party option in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177 If you can't get a bootloader unlock code that way, there is no other option.
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What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me
perlsyntax said:
What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me
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DEV Editions have unlockable bootloaders without voiding the warranty. An unlockable bootloader allows you to flash a recovery not signed by Motorola (like TWRP or CWM) which will allow you to flash root and other .zips.
Non-dev editions on AT&T do not have the ability to unlock the bootloader.
tcrews said:
DEV Editions have unlockable bootloaders without voiding the warranty. An unlockable bootloader allows you to flash a recovery not signed by Motorola (like TWRP or CWM) which will allow you to flash root and other .zips.
Non-dev editions on AT&T do not have the ability to unlock the bootloader.
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So take it i have to make my own hotspot software for the moto X dev and it will not come with a recovery back to?
No, you'll be able to unlock the bootloader, root and install any of the methods that give the hotspot feature.
perlsyntax said:
What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me
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I'm going to copy/paste what I typed here ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52359376&postcount=13 as it definitely answers your question.
KidJoe said:
im going to repeat what has been said by me and others in the countless threads asking this same question....
The two developer edition moto X's come in black face, woven white back, with silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and say Developer Edition on back. They only come as 32 gig. When it comes to unlocking the bootloader, you can get the code from moto for free, and it does not void your warranty. Once the bootloader is unlocked you can install 3rd party recovery, root, or install 3rd party roms (by 3rd party, I mean non-moto)
The retail x comes as black face, woven black back, and silver accents, or white face, woven white back, and silver accents. Moto Maker can be customized. These come as 32 or 16 gig.
I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but Moto does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code for the Retail and MotoMaker X for Verizon, ATT and a few other carriers.
When it comes to hardware, the GSM Developer Edition (XT1053) is the same as the T-Mobile or Carrier Unlocked/Unbranded (XT1053) and uses the same ROMs. The big difference is getting the unlock code from Moto for the non-dev edition voids the warranty. When it comes to the (CDMA) Developer Edition X for Verizon, they too are identical hardware, but as said, you can't get the unlock code from Moto unless you have the Dev Ed. (Note: for a brief period, there was a Chinses site selling the codes, but it was shut down and is not presently available. No one knows for sure if it ever will be again)
If they are the exact same price, get the dev edition so you can unlock the bootloader without voiding the warranty.
If you have ATT, know that their X is the XT1058, you can not get its bootloader unlock code from Moto. More importantly, by specs it supports 2 additional LTE bands (originally said to only be used outside the USA, but lately there has been talk that ATT is using one of them in the USA now), but does not support HSPA on AWS (used by t-mobile for non-LTE 4g, but t-mobile has been reframing their 1900 from 2g to HSPA in some areas). So if you have AT&T but got the gsm dev, you'd be at risk if ATT starts fully using one or both of those "other" LTE bands in the USA in the future.
As for why unlock the bootloader, what would the average Joe gain by it? See -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html
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As for "hot spot"... There is hotspot software in the X ROM. Since the gsm Dev uses the T-Mobile rom, it might work as is on ATT without modifications. You'll have to look that up. But there are other options to remove any "entitlement" checks (there are threads about it) or you can use WiFi tether when the Dev Edition is rooted.
I like developer. I think developer option has better opportunity than others.
KidJoe said:
I'm going to copy/paste what I typed here ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52359376&postcount=13 as it definitely answers your question.
As for "hot spot"... There is hotspot software in the X ROM. Since the gsm Dev uses the T-Mobile rom, it might work as is on ATT without modifications. You'll have to look that up. But there are other options to remove any "entitlement" checks (there are threads about it) or you can use WiFi tether when the Dev Edition is rooted.
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thank for the information
I searched the forum but still can't figure it out. Could someone please give me a straight answer and thanks.
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I assume so, that's what I got. GSM Developer Edition.
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Not necessarily. I have a 1053 and it's NOT a developer device. I think all t mobile variants are 1053.
dancingtortoise said:
Not necessarily. I have a 1053 and it's NOT a developer device. I think all t mobile variants are 1053.
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Actually, the T-Mobile variant IS considered the GSM developer edition. It is SIM-Unlocked, and Bootloader-Unlockable
There are 2 developer editions:
GSM: T-mobile Variant XT1053
CDMA: Verizon Developer edition XT1060 (interestingly, the non-Dev edition is also XT1060)
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
Only difference between T-Mobile and Developer edition is that the Dev edition can be bootloader unlocked and rooted without losing the warranty. Hardware-wise it's the same.
@x2h
As stated (although I don't trust the Wikipedia link as they get the supported frequencies wrong... and link to the wrong FCC docs for the wrong carriers as their references)..
The XT1053 describes two models... which are the same internally... (At least in the USA, I'm not sure about the rest of the world!)
GSM Developer Edition and the "GSM Unlocked (with T-Mobile SIM)"
The differences...
Developer Edition comes only as 32gig, black face, woven white back and silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and says Developer Edition on the back. Moto's web site gives out the bootloader unlock code, and it does NOT void the warranty.
The "GSM Unlocked" (as described on Moto Maker web site) can be fully customized via Moto Maker as 16 or 32gig and all the front, back and accent colors that are offered. While Moto's web site gives out the bootloader unlock code, requesting the code *DOES* void the warranty.
The bands, features, functions, installed software, modems, ROMs, are exactly the same on both varients of the XT1053. When requesting the Dev Edition Rom from Motorola, the file name starts with TMO_RETAIL_XT1053....
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samwathegreat said:
Actually, the T-Mobile variant IS considered the GSM developer edition. It is SIM-Unlocked, and Bootloader-Unlockable
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Technically that is not correct.
The T-Mobile variant is actually the "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile SIM)" as described on the Moto Maker Website. Yes, it too is an XT053, and the internal hardware/specs are the same, but unlike the Dev Edition, you can customize its front/back/accent colors, get it as 16/32gb, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader voids the warranty.
(Dev Edition XT1053 is not customize-able, comes only as 32gig, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader *does not" void the warranty)
And the Dev Edition says "Developer Edition" on its back, where as the Non-Dev Editions do not.
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samwathegreat said:
...CDMA: Verizon Developer edition XT1060 (interestingly, the non-Dev edition is also XT1060)
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Correct.
Just as with the XT1053 Dev vs Non-Dev, the Dev and Non-Dev XT1060 models are the same internal hardware, use the same roms, radios, etc. However, requesting the Dev Ed XT1060 rom from Moto, the file name does not have VZW or Retail in it.
The differences being...
Non-Dev Edition, you can customize its front/back/accent colors, get it as 16/32gb, and Moto does NOT supply the bootloader unlock code.
Dev Edition for Verizon XT1060 is not customize-able (same black face, woven white back, silver accents), comes only as 32gig, and Moto DOES give out the bootloader unlock code for free on their web site, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader *does not" void the warranty. The Dev Edition XT1060 says "Developer Edition" on its back, where as the Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon do not.
Thanks for all the quick answers. It is clear to me now.
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x2h said:
Thanks for all the quick answers. It is clear to me now.
Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk 2
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Hey, I'm in the same boat. I would like to buy a used T-Mobile variant and am struggling to tell them apart. So does this thread seem to imply that if it says "Developer Edition" on the back, then it's definitely not the T-Mobile variant? That is, if it doesn't say that on the back, and if the model number is XT1053, then it must be the T-Mobile variant? Also, if the phone is XT1053 and 16GB, then it must be the T-Mobile variant?
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KidJoe said:
@x2h
As stated (although I don't trust the Wikipedia link as they get the supported frequencies wrong... and link to the wrong FCC docs for the wrong carriers as their references)..
The XT1053 describes two models... which are the same internally... (At least in the USA, I'm not sure about the rest of the world!)
GSM Developer Edition and the "GSM Unlocked (with T-Mobile SIM)"
The differences...
Developer Edition comes only as 32gig, black face, woven white back and silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and says Developer Edition on the back. Moto's web site gives out the bootloader unlock code, and it does NOT void the warranty.
The "GSM Unlocked" (as described on Moto Maker web site) can be fully customized via Moto Maker as 16 or 32gig and all the front, back and accent colors that are offered. While Moto's web site gives out the bootloader unlock code, requesting the code *DOES* void the warranty.
The bands, features, functions, installed software, modems, ROMs, are exactly the same on both varients of the XT1053. When requesting the Dev Edition Rom from Motorola, the file name starts with TMO_RETAIL_XT1053....
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Technically that is not correct.
The T-Mobile variant is actually the "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile SIM)" as described on the Moto Maker Website. Yes, it too is an XT053, and the internal hardware/specs are the same, but unlike the Dev Edition, you can customize its front/back/accent colors, get it as 16/32gb, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader voids the warranty.
(Dev Edition XT1053 is not customize-able, comes only as 32gig, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader *does not" void the warranty)
And the Dev Edition says "Developer Edition" on its back, where as the Non-Dev Editions do not.
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Correct.
Just as with the XT1053 Dev vs Non-Dev, the Dev and Non-Dev XT1060 models are the same internal hardware, use the same roms, radios, etc. However, requesting the Dev Ed XT1060 rom from Moto, the file name does not have VZW or Retail in it.
The differences being...
Non-Dev Edition, you can customize its front/back/accent colors, get it as 16/32gb, and Moto does NOT supply the bootloader unlock code.
Dev Edition for Verizon XT1060 is not customize-able (same black face, woven white back, silver accents), comes only as 32gig, and Moto DOES give out the bootloader unlock code for free on their web site, and requesting the unlock code for the bootloader *does not" void the warranty. The Dev Edition XT1060 says "Developer Edition" on its back, where as the Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon do not.
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Hey, I'm in the same boat. I would like to buy a used T-Mobile variant and am struggling to tell them apart. So just to confirm: If it says "Developer Edition" on the back, then it's definitely not the T-Mobile variant? That is, if it doesn't say that on the back, and if the model number is XT1053, then it must be the T-Mobile variant? Also, if the phone is XT1053 and 16GB, then it must be the T-Mobile variant?
Thanks very much for your contribution to this thread!
AxlRose77 said:
Hey, I'm in the same boat. I would like to buy a used T-Mobile variant and am struggling to tell them apart. So just to confirm: If it says "Developer Edition" on the back, then it's definitely not the T-Mobile variant? That is, if it doesn't say that on the back, and if the model number is XT1053, then it must be the T-Mobile variant? Also, if the phone is XT1053 and 16GB, then it must be the T-Mobile variant?
Thanks very much for your contribution to this thread!
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GSM Developer Edition is an XT1053 that comes with 32 gig storage, black face, chrome trim, and white woven back that says Developer edition.
"GSM Unlocked (with T-Mobile SIM)" is an XT1053 that can come with EITHER 16gig or 32gig storage, black or white front, and various options for back and trim.
As for bands/frequencies, software, both of these XT1053 are the same. The only differences are the storage options and color options.
Keep in mind, both the GSM Dev Edition (XT1053) and the Dev Edition for Verizon (XT1060) "look" the same (black face with white woven back that says Dev Edition on it, silver trim). The XT1060 has CDMA/EVDO/LTE support for Verizon, so its missing a few of the bands T-Mobile and ATT would use.
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks
newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer.
Thanks
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Here is a list of "unlockable" Moto devices.. Its not the most current..but current enuff to answer your question..
Here >> https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM5MjA4OTk3OC9zaWQvQ3FFdnNETWw=
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newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks
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Get the Developer Eidtion for Verizon. I think it's on sale ending today. There's a coupon code floating around I saw that will take off $100 dollars or so.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/18/deal-alert-moto-x-going-least-100-coupon-code-motorola-com/
Coupon Code
newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks
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WHen it comes to the Moto X for Verizon there are 3 ways to get it... Developer Edition (on Moto's Dev Edition web site), Moto Maker edition (Moto's web site), or Verizon store (aka Retail edition).
The Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon have their bootloaders LOCKED. Motorola does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code. The only way to unlock it, would be if the Chinese Middleman (see thread in general section) is still available and selling codes, but he hasn't been as reliable lately (some users have received wrong code, some have received message back saying no code available).
They use the same rom, radio, baseband, etc. They have the same software pre-installed, the same features, etc.
The Dev Edition comes only as Black Front, woven white back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), 32gig, and unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty.
The Moto Maker and Retail are basically the same, except available as 16 or 32 gig, fully customizable front/back/accents, and unlocking is not possible via Motorola. The only possibility is IF the Chinese Middleman will sell the code.
And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone.
I didn't know what towel pie was at the time and didn't know the phone wasn't actually unlocked. The guy I bought it from said that verizon moto X phones were just naturally unlocked. I didn't really find that credible at the time but assumed the phone was nonetheless unlocked now.
After playing with the phone, I find that its not actually fully unlocked but rather has this program running on it that fights the Verizon firmware to effectively make it unlocked.
Here is what I want. I want this permanently rooted without any program running in the background to reroot the phone every time. And I want all the verizon logos off my login screens etc. Is there some sort of clean rom I can write over this thing that just has it unlocked?
I am not using Verizon as a carrier.
What do you think guys. Did I get scammed? I paid 400 USD for this phone. Prompt reply would be appreciated since I think I can still return it if I'm quick about it.
Thank you for your time.
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And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone.
I didn't know what towel pie was at the time and didn't know the phone wasn't actually unlocked. The guy I bought it from said that verizon moto X phones were just naturally unlocked. I didn't really find that credible at the time but assumed the phone was nonetheless unlocked now.
After playing with the phone, I find that its not actually fully unlocked but rather has this program running on it that fights the Verizon firmware to effectively make it unlocked.
Here is what I want. I want this permanently rooted without any program running in the background to reroot the phone every time. And I want all the verizon logos off my login screens etc. Is there some sort of clean rom I can write over this thing that just has it unlocked?
I am not using Verizon as a carrier.
What do you think guys. Did I get scammed? I paid 400 USD for this phone. Prompt reply would be appreciated since I think I can still return it if I'm quick about it.
Thank you for your time.
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HAHA. I think there was some mis-communication there.
OK: There are 2 types of "unlocked":
1. SIM-Unlocked: Verizon phones ARE "naturally" SIM-Unlocked, and you can use them on any GSM carrier.
2. Bootloader-Unlocked: ALL Verizon phones (aside from the Developer Edition), can NOT have their bootloader's unlocked. Verizon forbids motoorola from allowing you to unlock your bootloader. "Towel Pie Root" doesn't even come close to the functionality of an unlocked bootloader -- there's simply no comparison. There is absolutely NO WAY to unlock your bootloader, except for one possibility.
See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
It will cost you money -- but if he doesn't have your code you get refunded. If you DO get a code, your bootloader will be permanently unlocked, and for all essence, it will be an unofficial "Developer Edition".
And finally -- in my opinion, $400 is QUITE excessive for what is really just a standard run-of-the-mill Verizion Moto X, with nothing special about it at all. The average selling price is currently $220 on swappa.com
If it were ME, I'd return it and find a bootloader-unlocked VZW Moto X, or the Verizon DEVELOPER edition Moto X.
Just be careful!!! Many Moto X's on swappa say that they are "unlocked", but this refers to SIM-UNLOCKED. Make sure it -explicitly- says "BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED".
Good Luck!!!
EDIT: Now that I see that you are NOT using verizon as your carrier, I would suggest that you buy an XT1053 instead.
The XT1053 has NO carrier branding, and it can be bootloader-unlocked FREE, direct from Motorola's website.
The price is slightly more than the VZW version - XT1053's are currently averaging $260 on swappa. They are ALL Sim-Unlocked, and bootloader-unlockable.
That's FAR less than the $400 you paid......
the sale is still going on on Motorola's website $324.99 brand new Dev Edition unlocked bootloader
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HAHA. I think there was some mis-communication there.
OK: There are 2 types of "unlocked":
1. SIM-Unlocked: Verizon phones ARE "naturally" SIM-Unlocked, and you can use them on any GSM carrier.
2. Bootloader-Unlocked: ALL Verizon phones (aside from the Developer Edition), can NOT have their bootloader's unlocked. Verizon forbids motoorola from allowing you to unlock your bootloader. "Towel Pie Root" doesn't even come close to the functionality of an unlocked bootloader -- there's simply no comparison. There is absolutely NO WAY to unlock your bootloader, except for one possibility.
See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
It will cost you money -- but if he doesn't have your code you get refunded. If you DO get a code, your bootloader will be permanently unlocked, and for all essence, it will be an unofficial "Developer Edition".
And finally -- in my opinion, $400 is QUITE excessive for what is really just a standard run-of-the-mill Verizion Moto X, with nothing special about it at all. The average selling price is currently $220 on swappa.com
If it were ME, I'd return it and find a bootloader-unlocked VZW Moto X, or the Verizon DEVELOPER edition Moto X.
Just be careful!!! Many Moto X's on swappa say that they are "unlocked", but this refers to SIM-UNLOCKED. Make sure it -explicitly- says "BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED".
Good Luck!!!
EDIT: Now that I see that you are NOT using verizon as your carrier, I would suggest that you buy an XT1053 instead.
The XT1053 has NO carrier branding, and it can be bootloader-unlocked FREE, direct from Motorola's website.
The price is slightly more than the VZW version - XT1053's are currently averaging $260 on swappa. They are ALL Sim-Unlocked, and bootloader-unlockable.
That's FAR less than the $400 you paid......
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A lot of my issue here is that I'm under some time pressure. My old phone broke and I really just need something to replace it now. So i got what i could get in a short amount of time.
That said, I'm only willing to put up with so much crap. I don't mind over paying a bit. I do mind not getting what I want.
Now, I do believe this is the developer edition. It gives me access to developer tools in the settings and the phone info information seemed to be what developer editions say. Is there a way I can confirm this?
And if it is a Verizon developer edition Moto X, can I properly root it and clean all this verizon garbage off my phone? It seemed like you suggested that if this were a Verizon developer edition Moto X I could still root it?
Please let me know. I'll eat the price hike as a convenience charge but I really can't put up with having it permanently crippled by Verizon.
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A lot of my issue here is that I'm under some time pressure. My old phone broke and I really just need something to replace it now. So i got what i could get in a short amount of time.
That said, I'm only willing to put up with so much crap. I don't mind over paying a bit. I do mind not getting what I want.
Now, I do believe this is the developer edition. It gives me access to developer tools in the settings and the phone info information seemed to be what developer editions say. Is there a way I can confirm this?
And if it is a Verizon developer edition Moto X, can I properly root it and clean all this verizon garbage off my phone? It seemed like you suggested that if this were a Verizon developer edition Moto X I could still root it?
Please let me know. I'll eat the price hike as a convenience charge but I really can't put up with having it permanently crippled by Verizon.
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Enabling "Developer Options" can be done on any phone. Once again, this also has absolutely nothing to do with rooting or unlocking the bootloader. If it WERE the dev edition, the previous owner would have no reason, whatsoever to install TowelPieRoot. That's just silly to use an "exploit" on a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
TowelPieRoot DOES allow you to root the phone - but that will disappear when you update to 4.4.4 -- the new update patches the exploit used by TPR. After this, it will be permanently un-rootable unless you can unlock the BL.
You are completely out-of-luck, sir. Unless you want to roll the dice and spend another $45 in hopes that the "chinaman" might have an unlock code for you. I gave you the link in my first reply to you.
Unless the phone has a Black front, with a woven white back, it is NOT the unlockable developer edition. Sorry. Anything else is just a regular Moto X.
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Enabling "Developer Options" can be done on any phone. Once again, this also has absolutely nothing to do with rooting or unlocking the bootloader. If it WERE the dev edition, the previous owner would have no reason, whatsoever to install TowelPieRoot. That's just silly to use an "exploit" on a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
TowelPieRoot DOES allow you to root the phone - but that will disappear when you update to 4.4.4 -- the new update patches the exploit used by TPR. After this, it will be permanently un-rootable unless you can unlock the BL.
You are completely out-of-luck, sir. Unless you want to roll the dice and spend another $45 in hopes that the "chinaman" might have an unlock code for you. I gave you the link in my first reply to you.
Unless the phone has a Black front, with a woven white back, it is NOT the unlockable developer edition. Sorry. Anything else is just a regular Moto X.
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Thank you for your reply and do not take my stupid questions as a lack of appreciation or respect for your assistence. I'm just trying to understand if I'm mostly screwed or totally screwed.
In the sense of the princess bride... where he was "mostly dead" but not totally dead.
For example, does this work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Is there nothing that can root the bootloader on a verizon moto X?
If not, then thank you for helping me. If there is a way... I might be willing to try it.
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Thank you for your reply and do not take my stupid questions as a lack of appreciation or respect for your assistence. I'm just trying to understand if I'm mostly screwed or totally screwed.
In the sense of the princess bride... where he was "mostly dead" but not totally dead.
For example, does this work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Is there nothing that can root the bootloader on a verizon moto X?
If not, then thank you for helping me. If there is a way... I might be willing to try it.
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I don't think you are understanding.....
There is no such thing as "rooting the bootloader".
Your bootloader is either unlocked, or it isn't.
There are some "Exploits" that the exploited vulnerabilities in android and allowed you to "root" or "disable write protection", but none of them are permanent solutions. Since they are "Exploits", they can be patched by future updates. They don't "root the bootloader" - they "root the android OS".
ALL exploits, including the one you have linked above HAVE BEEN PATCHED. The only working exploit is TowelPieRoot -- but it does NOT disable write protection. It isn't very useful, and it is not permanent. As I previously told you, once you update to 4.4.4 your phone will be PERMANENTLY un-rootable. Period.
The only way to gain "permanent root and write-protection disable" is to unlock the bootloader. You can NOT unlock the bootloader on a VZW device. Period. Not unless it is a Dev Edition, OR you are able to obtain a bootloader unlock-code from the china middleman that I linked you to before.
There are NO EXCEPTIONS. As I already told you, you are 100% out-of-luck, UNLESS your phone has a black front and woven white back, OR you are able to unlock through the middleman at a cost of $45. There is NO OTHER WAY. None.
Please trust me - I know what I'm talking about 100%. I've only given you the facts. Now you must choose what to do with these facts.
if you can get your money back get your money back moto will FedEx you the brand new dev edition for $324.99 you will have it in 3 or 4 days probably until then get on Craigslist buy a hundred dollar droid to use until then and sell it afterwords
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I don't think you are understanding.....
There is no such thing as "rooting the bootloader".
Your bootloader is either unlocked, or it isn't.
There are some "Exploits" that the exploited vulnerabilities in android and allowed you to "root" or "disable write protection", but none of them are permanent solutions. Since they are "Exploits", they can be patched by future updates. They don't "root the bootloader" - they "root the android OS".
ALL exploits, including the one you have linked above HAVE BEEN PATCHED. The only working exploit is TowelPieRoot -- but it does NOT disable write protection. It isn't very useful, and it is not permanent. As I previously told you, once you update to 4.4.4 your phone will be PERMANENTLY un-rootable. Period.
The only way to gain "permanent root and write-protection disable" is to unlock the bootloader. You can NOT unlock the bootloader on a VZW device. Period. Not unless it is a Dev Edition, OR you are able to obtain a bootloader unlock-code from the china middleman that I linked you to before.
There are NO EXCEPTIONS. As I already told you, you are 100% out-of-luck, UNLESS your phone has a black front and woven white back, OR you are able to unlock through the middleman at a cost of $45. There is NO OTHER WAY. None.
Please trust me - I know what I'm talking about 100%. I've only given you the facts. Now you must choose what to do with these facts.
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*sigh* Oh well.
Thank you. I'll just get the cheapest phone I can find at the store and get my money back for this one.
well im gonna order the new verizon developer edition for 324.99 than and unlock the bootloader and wipe all the verizon crap off it and permanently root it
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And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone..
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A couple of questions I haven't seen asked...
On the phone go to App Drawer -> Settings -> About phone... What is listed as the SYSTEM VERSION.
Next, what does the BACK of the phone look like or say? Does it have the Verizon logo on it? Does it have the words Developer Edition on the back? Does it have SMALL HARD TO READ Fine print at the bottom that says a model number? Or did it come with the original box that has the IMEI and Model on it? (the model would be XT1060, XT1053, XT1058, etc)
What carrier are you intending to use it with?
Power off the phone, then press the power and volume down buttons simultaneously NOTE: you may need to have the USB cable disconnected first. This will bring you into the AP Fastboot Flash Mode screen (aka bootloader or fastboot mode). It will say DEVICE IS... unlocked or locked. Which is it?
I am asking these questions to know 1. What model X you have, 2. if it is bootloader unlocked, and 3 what rom version is on there.
That will help us guide you further.
@samwathegreat already did a great job explaining Boot Loader Unlock vs SIM Unlock. I've got a long and deeper explaination on bootloader unlocking and effects on rooting at -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html It does need to be updated to cover rooting on 4.4.4 with a LOCKED bootloader is not possible.
In short, if your answers to my questions reveal you have a Verizon X that is not a developer edition phone, then the only way to unlock the bootloader is if you can buy a code from the China Middle Man. Unlocking the bootloader is essential these days if you want a full and working ROOT solution.
If you have a Verizon X that you are trying to use on T-Mobile, or ATT, then you might be OK as long as you don't need/want to root it, and are fine with running the stock Verizon ROM. You just might have some limits too (like not be being able to do Voice and LTE data at the same time)
Oh, but to get rid of some of the Verizon bloat, you will need to root it and delete the APK's which would impact future OTAs, or use something like Titanium Backup to freeze them. Both options need you to be rooted.
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Karmashock said:
*sigh* Oh well.
Thank you. I'll just get the cheapest phone I can find at the store and get my money back for this one.
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OK... just saw this.. so never mind what I just posted. Good luck.
If you really want an X, Let us know what carrier, and I would still recommend a Dev Edition, either the GSM or the VZW version depending on your carrier, especially while they stay on sale for $325.99. Any non-contract phone you can get is going to be near that cost, or above.
Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
- BF
bkfitz said:
Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
- BF
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Moto 2013 - dev edition had an unlockable bootloader. you could get a version for at&t/tmobile or for verizon
Moto 2014 - pure edition has an unlockable bootloader and no carrier branding or apps. you can only get this for at&t/tmobile at full retail price through motorola's moto maker, and you can customize the colors and storage
Moto maker - lets you customize the design of your moto x (2013 and 2014). can not be used on the 2013 dev editions
there's some confusion here because you can use moto maker to make a pure edition moto x. however the important thing to know on verizon is you have 2 options: a preconfigured color & storage straight from verizon, or a customized version through moto maker. however you cannot get a pure edition on verizon
bkfitz said:
Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
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Moto Maker is the version where you get to customize it and select the colors you want. If you get this option and use either AT&T or VZW the bootloader will be locked down and not available to be unlocked unless someone comes up with a method to do so.
Pure Edition is a GSM only version (works on T-Mobile and AT&T) and it is sim unlocked as well as bootloader unlockable (the new GSM Dev edition)
Developer Edition is only available on the old Moto X, that was the version you have to pay full price for just like the current Pure, but the old Moto X had a VZW Dev Edition.
Excellent... thx. I guess I'll be getting the standard VZW one and then hoping "someone comes up with a method to do so"
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Moto Maker is the version where you get to customize it and select the colors you want. If you get this option and use either AT&T or VZW the bootloader will be locked down and not available to be unlocked unless someone comes up with a method to do so.
Pure Edition is a GSM only version (works on T-Mobile and AT&T) and it is sim unlocked as well as bootloader unlockable (the new GSM Dev edition)
Developer Edition is only available on the old Moto X, that was the version you have to pay full price for just like the current Pure, but the old Moto X had a VZW Dev Edition.
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Excellent... thx. I guess I'll be getting the standard VZW one and then hoping "someone comes up with a method to do so"
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As of right now, if you order a Verizon Moto X, you will be getting last years. They don't have an officially announced model yet (and I am speculating they could just release the new Droid (that looks really cool) and not an X).
My Verizon rep (we're Gov) definitely sent me pricing info on the "New Moto X - 5.2" etc... when I asked him yesterday AM he hadn't heard anything yet... but after doing some digging he was able to provide pricing etc this morning....
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As of right now, if you order a Verizon Moto X, you will be getting last years. They don't have an officially announced model yet (and I am speculating they could just release the new Droid (that looks really cool) and not an X).
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I'm a little bit confused. I want a moto x with all the moto apps like moto assist, voice control and active display. If I want to root the device and install xposed framework. Which one do I have to buy? I'm living in Germany and when I go to moto maker there is nothing I can't choose among different versions, except in storage size and colour.
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I'm a little bit confused. I want a moto x with all the moto apps like moto assist, voice control and active display. If I want to root the device and install xposed framework. Which one do I have to buy? I'm living in Germany and when I go to moto maker there is nothing I can't choose among different versions, except in storage size and colour.
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All of this model discussion is for US models. There should be just one EU model (that I am aware of) that should work with all common bands in the EU and have the software of the Pure edition. The issue here is the US mobile industry is a mess and controlled by the mobile networks, making moving between providers (or traveling out of the US) a pain in the neck.
Unless your on T-Mobile in which case you can go overseas no problem. Love T-Mobile!
Singapore Use
Hi,
I live in Singapore. I just wanted to check that the pure edition should work here if I can get it shipped to me?
I know the LTE is not working for now but it should work on HSPA+ I think.
Will it still get the updates from Motorola/Google or are those USA specific?
Thanks a lot.
Santino