Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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miller1821 said:
Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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and begging someone for a release will surely get geo to release something lol. wouldnt it be better to link to the exploit used and post link to thread youre referencing?
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If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.
chronicaust said:
If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.
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Dunno....sounds kinda flaky, to claim root but not post proof/method....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2780319&page=4
This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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I understand why he is fearful of releasing this. Being sued sucks. That being said i personally don't think he has anything to fear. i believe android is an open source software. As far as i understand you should be able to develop the software to fit the needs of the people you are trying to serve. He may just need to remember that. AT&T or Samsung do not have ownership of android.
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In for process to be released.
I'm pretty sure the reason he posted that he achieved root but not releasing it, is because he knows Samsung looks at this forum, and now he is waiting for Samsung/AT&T/Verizon to contact him with an offer ($$$$) to keep him quiet and help them patch the vulnerability.
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I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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i have a feeling that, legally speaking, you may get into more trouble by taking $ for releasing an exploit than if you just released it as free public knowledge. and i have no idea why it would be illegal im just saying considering his past it's probably wise to be extra cautious. the bounty probably just isn't worth it to him.
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I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.
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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.
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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.
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No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.
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No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.
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Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
SOURCE: www.thefreedictionary.com
I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.
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Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
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I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.
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LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.
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LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.
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That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD
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That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD
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yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive
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yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive
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4 days of hell trying to root, years to come without worrying about it again
Note 3 guys have been waiting longer.
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Jailbreaking/rooting is being pushed to illegality again! Fight it!
https://www.eff.org/pages/jailbreaking-not-crime-tell-copyright-office-free-your-devices
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Apple is being stupid again, they'll never grow up
let them do it, they will eventually lose their customer base if they keep this up
You mean they can sue me for rooting/jailbreaking the headset I paid $500 for? Its my headset and I do whatever I want to with it, whether that means voiding the warranty or not thats my issue.
Honestly I don't see this going far, its a far fetched idea
I think rooting isn't illegal and was never illegal, because android is open source
It would be funny terrible if jailbreaking was made illegal. Knowing Apple, they'd block all jailbroken devices, like when people were using them in the UK without an O2 contract.
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It would be funny terrible if jailbreaking was made illegal. Knowing Apple, they'd block all jailbroken devices, like when people were using them in the UK without an O2 contract.
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i'm looking forward to see that day happens
and millions of angry mobs burns down the apple stores across worlds
muahahahahahaha!!!!
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i'm looking forward to see that day happens
and millions of angry mobs burns down the apple stores across worlds
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Camping outside the petrol station, waiting for petrol to burn down the apple store
jailbreaking isn't rooting, jailbreaking is an iOS process. If it got deemed illegal it would be said but really it wouldn't stop anything. There would be a work around.
Rooting is an Android process and Google really couldn't care less what you do with your device. Most OEM's even release tools to make devices easy to hack
It's a shame so many people are still in the dark about jailbreaking.
Almost everyone I know with an iOS device either doesn't know or doesn't care about the benefits.
Why would this matter to our android users.
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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Well if "jailbreaking" is illegal, then that essentially opens up the flood gattes for litigation agains people like you or I who root or "jailbreak" their own property. Kinda like the GeoHot case.
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jailbreaking isn't rooting, jailbreaking is an iOS process.
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I gotta disagree. Jailbreaking is pretty much the iOS equivalent of rooting. Once jailbroken, you have access to system files allowing you to overclock via changing plists, sim unlock, as well as custom ROM's (though iOS tends to be limited in "custom" ROM's due to closed source).
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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legally it wont matter to Android
AOSP = open by default
iOS = closed as in lockdown and Apples wants to keep it that way
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legally it wont matter to Android
AOSP = open by default
iOS = closed as in lockdown and Apples wants to keep it that way
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It would matter to much more than just Android. Each new piece of stupid legislation passed is just an opening for the next.
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It would matter to much more than just Android. Each new piece of stupid legislation passed is just an opening for the next.
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Exactly, this passes. Doesn't affect us immediately. But look to the future...oh shirt they got all the jailbreakers. Now what? Logically? Root users and everyone else.
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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Because no matter if it's Android or iOS devices we are here to support the customization of our devices. You can really learn from both sides of the software.
If jailbreaking gets shut down then we've lost a part of development as a whole. We don't need to lose any part in an already small crowd.
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Exactly, this passes. Doesn't affect us immediately. But look to the future...oh shirt they got all the jailbreakers. Now what? Logically? Root users and everyone else.
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that's what i mean
as in it will only matter if say Samsung, or HTC, or Sony, Huawei, LG, or any of the independent device manufactures decides to make a fool of themselves and try to go that route.
which even HTC already learned the hard lesson and now is following trait with Samsung to open up everything
Google themselves can not make that move, unless they make Android close source, if and when that day happens
we'll probably have moved to the next Open Source OS
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Even if Android itself is open source the OEMs may try to say unlocking your bootloader is similar to jail breaking. Plus all of the WP7 and soon to be Windows 8 devices would probably fall under the same category as apple products.
For the most part I don't think Android device manufacturers really care what you do with your device, think about it, rooting your device voids your warranty that like a get out of jail free card for them...
"Your screen failed? OK let's fix that for you for free under warra... oh wait... i see you rooted this device. That voids your warranty so now it's $200 of gtfo."
Apple only cares about Jailbreaking for two reasons:
1. They feel they should have complete control over what you do with your device, how you use your device, how your device look and behaves, and if the device doesn't or can't do something, its not a feature you wanted anyway.
2. Jailbreaking allows you to install apps from unofficial sources and thus allows you to pirate apps, or use apps that Apple would not put in the AppStore because you didn't really want it anyway so they did you the favor of excluding it.
The difference here is Apple controls the ENTIRE process from the top down. With Android Google controls the OS and the manufacture controls the hardware. Google could care less how you use your device or what you use it for, and you can install apps from unofficial sources without rooting the device.
Good, iOS is an optimized and well built software meant to be utilized as they see fit. Android rooting should be supported, as google gives you a broken product and tells you to fix it. Microsoft and Apple are software companies, they built proper software for their devices.
I was disappointed to find the Play store broken and then the Nexus 4 sold out when it reappeared on the day of it's "launch".
Probably not as disappointed as the people who did place an order and then didn't get their phone and are still waiting though.
With no idea of when it's coming back into stock and the busiest shopping day of the year in the US tomorrow, the Nexus 4 is going to lose the traction in the media and minds of the public that it had.
If the rumors about no stock until December are true, a lot of people will buy something else. As it is, there are already new handsets appearing (like the HTC Droid DNA) and if we see similar shortages and a similar clusterf*** on the sales and fulfillment side of things, getting phones before Xmas could well be doubtful, certainly getting a defective phone could mean no chance of a return/replacement if being purchase for a Christmas present.
I had to laugh when many of the Android blogs are leading with a story about the official N4 bumper case... and the comments to those articles are full of anger from Google customers still waiting for the phone, never mind the case.
When do you call this "launch" more of a failure to launch?
As far as I am concerned, it's a FAIL.
I guess it depends on who's looking at it,right?
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Yep. Point of view is key. Phone sold out in under an hour due to massive demand? People so eager to get their hands on it they resort to overpriced Ebay and store sales. That's a marketing department's wet dream.
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Yep. Point of view is key. Phone sold out in under an hour due to massive demand? People so eager to get their hands on it they resort to overpriced Ebay and store sales. That's a marketing department's wet dream.
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It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.
Another useless thread.... It is what it is. Starting another thread isn't going to fix anything.
As far as I'm concerned, this has already been a fail for Google. It is their second time they've failed miserably with the selling of a Nexus device. They just can't seem to learn...
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It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.
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If you can let us know how many Google had for sale that would be nice, as I take it you have the exact stock numbers to back that statement up.
The Nexus 4 is a marketing win for Google and the Android brand. Whether we get to use or like the phone is besides the point. Reviews of the glass sealed phone have been written and published. Done. On to the next Nexus phone for Google.
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It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.
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I'd love to know the total number of 4's sold before they were all gone.
Epic success as far as I'm concerned.
Swiped from my nexus 4
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If you can let us know how many Google had for sale that would be nice, as I take it you have the exact stock numbers to back that statement up.
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Why would I need the exact stock numbers? I just stated that when you introduce very few devices into the channel, it's easy to sell out and create the impression of big sales.
Apple have been doing this for years.
Did it take Google by surprise? That a phone they've been pushing... sorry... leaking, for 2 months and got blanket press coverage - which was then sold at an abnormally low price - sold out quickly.
Man, that is such a surprise! And after the Nexus 7 as well!
The big surprise is that 10 days later they still haven't got any more stock and are about to enter the run up to Christmas, with, yes, you guessed it, no stock and no word on when they will have stock.
I recommended the Nexus 4 to three friends, one of whom dropped their iPhone 4 into water at the end of last month and was looking for a replacement. They won't wait for ever and that guy went out and bought an iPhone 4S yesterday.
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Another useless thread.... It is what it is. Starting another thread isn't going to fix anything.
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Do threads have to fix something?
It failed Nov 13
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That's a marketing department's wet dream.
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Meanwhile, at Google HQ
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There, I fixed it for you.
If you had your device you wouldn't be calling it a fail. Be a good boy and go back to your corner and wait patiently. Like everyone else fyi...this doesn't speed up the process
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I have my N4 and the failure began on the 13th when Google didn't ship on a first come basis.
The failure continued with Google's refusal to acknowledge customer's complaints and did not relay correct information to support.
I understand how a big launch works and I understand **** happens, but Google's ignoring of the issues and leaving support to fend for themselves by lying does nothing but harm the reputation of the company and hurts the consumer.
I know I will think twice about ordering from the Play store again, I didn't learn my lesson with the N7.
Love this phone !!!
Only ones that are calling it a fail are ones that didn't get one,and tell the truth ID prob be right there pissed off 2 if i didn't get mine , but as soon as they become available agn those people will be first ones right there buying one . Google didn't fail Google did it exactly like they wanted to , its Google they do what they want
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If you had your device you wouldn't be calling it a fail
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I would be, because as I mentioned above, I recommended this phone to other people.
Almost normal people.
You know - the kind of people who don't sit next to their browser hitting the refresh button 20 times a minute.
It's quite normal to sell out of a new device at launch. It's less normal to then have no stock for 10 days and no information.
(Although I grant you, it's quite normal for Google to not give information).
Sold out. Good phone. Therefore not a failure imo.
Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!
wingman4ever said:
Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!
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You know I was about to help with this. But I see it's your first post. It's early morning in US. And you probably have this paper due in the morning. Given all those, I will say this. You should have studied harder, great first post , and look up the advantages/disadvantages of open source. Much to learn you have young padawon.
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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You hasz iCrap?!?! GTFO. NAO!
jk. No, but seriously..
wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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then you haven't searched hard enough. What have you searched for and what have you found?
Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.
wingman4ever said:
Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.
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Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.
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Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.
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I couldn't agree more. Not that this will help you in terms of your assignment but.... The mass media and social demographics are brainwashed by the term "iPhone." Look at Ziplock, Sharpie and other well-known names; It's common knowledge, per say. The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.
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The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.
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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".
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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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I'm thinking:
The sheep are better off behind the fence in the pasture
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.
I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy
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Archer said:
Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.
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Oh ok. Yea, that was the whole reason she stayed with the iphone. She wanted to switch to android where she could easily put her own content on her phone. She found out that all the ringtones, songs, and books she bought would be lost and only available on i devices. That was her only reason to stay with them. I thought it was pretty corrupt of them to charge her again for the music she had already paid for, to release the drm so she could transfer it from her iphone to android.
It goes to the netscape debacle. Creating a monopoly without fully notifying the end user of what they are buying into. It's fine to release software/hardware that only works with specific software/hardware if you tell the customer of such. That becomes an anti-trust issue border-lining on a monopoly that you have created to hook people into without a way out.
When you buy an idevice, you inherently know you are buying into a "system". But the extent of that system is not made clear to the end user.
Just take a look at the term you are signing into when you buy an apple device.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html
I feel I need a law degree just to comprehend the preamble.
Now have a gander at this.
http://play.google.com/intl/en_us/about/play-terms.html
Hey I can understand that. Big difference.
You can't tell me people understand what they are getting themselves into when buying an idevice unless they are tech savvy.
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jRi0T68 said:
I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy
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Yep, a loop. They try to hook you in to keep upgrading on their system on devices/hardware to keep access to what you bought in their system, not knowing that you have to stay there with them in order to keep what you have paid for.
My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.
I actually made it through all of this essay... good read....
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4371
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My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.
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Well good for you. We all like open source/systems, which is why we use it. You can't debate a subject without seeing both sides. And you don't see both sides.
And btw, there have been numerous court cases involving tos of companies that even though you click that you have read them, have been overturned becuase they have been ruled for some reason or another unfitting. So just because you say you read them, doesn't mean that's a good deal. tos can change after you buy a product. Which itunes does regularly. So you buy into something only to have it change, totally not right. And no backing out. But you bought into it. Are happy with it. So go argue for it.
Run along now.
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I thought it was physics related...
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I'm supposed to get the Verizon update for the Moto X tomorrow, would there be anything I could do that would be helpful to the Dev community?
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I'm supposed to get the Verizon update for the Moto X tomorrow, would there be anything I could do that would be helpful to the Dev community?
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ermm. you are not supposed to talk about the soak anywhere. its a confidential test. i suggest if you want to stay on as a soak tester.... you dont follow up on this thread. nor make any others about it. everyone will have it in a week, and verizon is the last to push this update. so what could you do that everyone doesnt already know? and why would ya threaten your ability to get the updates a week before everyone else? it just aint worth it.
edit: i forwarded this to the forums/soak manager over at moto. not to rat you out, but to hopefully deter you and any other soak tester from making the same mistake. i enjoy being a part of the soak. and dont want people like you jeopardizing my joy in getting the updates early.
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ermm. you are not supposed to talk about the soak anywhere. its a confidential test. i suggest if you want to stay on as a soak tester.... you dont follow up on this thread. nor make any others about it. everyone will have it in a week, and verizon is the last to push this update. so what could you do that everyone doesnt already know? and why would ya threaten your ability to get the updates a week before everyone else? it just aint worth it.
edit: i forwarded this to the forums/soak manager over at moto. not to rat you out, but to hopefully deter you and any other soak tester from making the same mistake. i enjoy being a part of the soak. and dont want people like you jeopardizing my joy in getting the updates early.
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Is this a joke? Is there really a "forums/soak [email protected]?"
I'm almost in disbelief. "PEOPLE LIKE YOU" NEED TO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE!
phermey said:
ermm. you are not supposed to talk about the soak anywhere. its a confidential test. i suggest if you want to stay on as a soak tester.... you dont follow up on this thread. nor make any others about it. everyone will have it in a week, and verizon is the last to push this update. so what could you do that everyone doesnt already know? and why would ya threaten your ability to get the updates a week before everyone else? it just aint worth it.
edit: i forwarded this to the forums/soak manager over at moto. not to rat you out, but to hopefully deter you and any other soak tester from making the same mistake. i enjoy being a part of the soak. and dont want people like you jeopardizing my joy in getting the updates early.
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hahaha i really hope this guy is serious. thats why they put those legal things in those emails. You can scare the **** out of people with those things even though they never do anything about it and expect it to get leaked lol.
Who would hire someone to troll around forums to see if they could not send the soak test that they send to thousands to particular people talking about it (given talking about it is free advertising from them so it would make little sense).
In response to the OP. I say you download that soak test, share it with everyone, and email MOTO MANAGER OF PEOPLE ON SOAK TESTS THAT TALKED ABOUT IT PERSON OF DEATH to let him know what you have done! and prepare to be punished..
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Is this a joke? Is there really a "forums/soak [email protected]?"
I'm almost in disbelief. "PEOPLE LIKE YOU" NEED TO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE!
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lol. im not on a high horse. i am nipping this in the butt. im not even trying to play 'hall monitor'. i just respect the process that moto uses. if you notice... there arent exactly a slew of peeps running around here talking about the soaks. i would imagine its because they also respect the process. either that or they, like me, realize people can wait a week because its not the end of the world.
there are support forums on the moto site. somebody has to run them. if you want in on the soak...
>motorola >product support >my stuff and opt in to the feedback program. you will see that there is a forums/soak manager because he will probably let you into the soak.
I don't want the soak. I'm on att running the T-Mobile SS ROM. Its great to get the soak out to developers because a lot of the time it brings up problems and work arounds BEFORE the general public get to screw up their phone. BTW, a "soak test" is not confidential. Its a sign up option.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
matt99017d said:
I don't want the soak. I'm on att running the T-Mobile SS ROM. Its great to get the soak out to developers because a lot of the time it brings up problems and work arounds BEFORE the general public get to screw up their phone. BTW, a "soak test" is not confidential. Its a sign up option.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
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you have to accept a tos/confidentiality agreement, and they are pretty strict on how things are done on the support forums during soaks.
around here.. .the only thing they would care about is whether or not the exploits were patched, new exploits to exploit, or whether or not they can slap it into their roms before moto gets a chance to release it for themselves. as i more or less said previously... history has shown that its usually just a week. it doesnt take devs to find the bugs either. just regular people that are 'in tune' with their device. i get that having devs on hand for the soak would be beneficial as it puts more hands on the keyboards to fix those bugs. but judging on how moto works against the dev community with bootloaders and lack of source drops... id say its pretty obvious that they dont want dev help. <---which i ultimately dont agree with. but thats another thread all together.
i realize now that i should have just kept my mouth shut. things always get out of hand online. hopefully i explained my thoughts and reasoning better with this post. if not... oh well. i tried.
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Is this a joke? Is there really a "forums/soak [email protected]?"
I'm almost in disbelief. "PEOPLE LIKE YOU" NEED TO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE!
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Yes. When I worked at Motorola I knew a few people who were tasked to search for forums leakers of software. And yes, there is typically a confidentiality agreement for signing up for it.
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you have to accept a tos/confidentiality agreement, and they are pretty strict on how things are done on the support forums during soaks.
around here.. .the only thing they would care about is whether or not the exploits were patched, new exploits to exploit, or whether or not they can slap it into their roms before moto gets a chance to release it for themselves. as i more or less said previously... history has shown that its usually just a week. it doesnt take devs to find the bugs either. just regular people that are 'in tune' with their device. i get that having devs on hand for the soak would be beneficial as it puts more hands on the keyboards to fix those bugs. but judging on how moto works against the dev community with bootloaders and lack of source drops... id say its pretty obvious that they dont want dev help. <---which i ultimately dont agree with. but thats another thread all together.
i realize now that i should have just kept my mouth shut. things always get out of hand online. hopefully i explained my thoughts and reasoning better with this post. if not... oh well. i tried.
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No worries. I think its a bit off to "report" someone for asking what they can do to help the community. That's all.
These discussions are good.
I downloaded the soak. OH YEAH! @phermey you going to report me?
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What are we.... a bunch of 10 year olds?
" I'm tellin' on you"
HD tappin' .... hillbilly style!!
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SMH
What are we.... a bunch of 10 year olds?
" I'm tellin' on you"
HD tappin' .... hillbilly style!!
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Lol I'll tell on you first!
from my PSX~PSK [n⁴]
Daaaaddd!!!!.. he downloaded my soak test....
HD tappin' .... hillbilly style!!
soak test
Lol!!! John you hit the nail right on the head with that one bud!
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Daaaaddd!!!!.. he downloaded my soak test....
HD tappin' .... hillbilly style!!
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I hear banjos when I read your posts. Is that normal?
Sent from my Moto X.
This is the funniest thread...dude if you respect moto and their processes....why the are you apart of a modding and after market firmware community.....
Peace
Byte
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And Satman thought his mouse issue was bad...... Maybe his method should be used here????
mentose457 said:
I hear banjos when I read your posts. Is that normal?
Sent from my Moto X.
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Why, yes it is....
HD tappin' .... hillbilly style!!
lol!!
mentose457 said:
I hear banjos when I read your posts. Is that normal?
Sent from my Moto X.
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Don't sweat it bud he's not that kinda hillbilly...or is he?
I concur kaos!
I saw the root thread is getting clogged down with arguments over the cost to benefit ratio involved with the Turbo root.
So is it worth it? What works and what doesn't? Post your thoughts.
I know several people that root for the sole purpose of having WiFi tether, for those I would think that it is worth it!
But has the wifi tether been achieved yet? I've heard that many are having difficulties.
I think it's also worth nothing that Sunshine has full root and unlocked bootloader for 25$. Now, a small $5 is the difference between full root and unlocked bootloader and write protected half-root system. Admittedly, I am not familiar with having root on a write protected system since I have never owned a system that has this. What I do know is that I have no idea how to edit a system image, nor do I feel any obligation to pay $20 to read a tutorial on how to download a linux VM and waste hours of my life failing at editing system files in hopes that I can achieve what I want to achieve. Perhaps to those more experienced with editing major files like that, the $20 is worth it, but I think for the average android user who appreciates root it may not be.
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I think it's also worth nothing that Sunshine has full root and unlocked bootloader for 25$. Now, a small $5 is the difference between full root and unlocked bootloader and write protected half-root system.
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Sounds to me like Sunshine is underpriced then, lol! Hey @jcase, looks like you should charge more.
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Sounds to me like Sunshine is underpriced then, lol! Hey @jcase, looks like you should charge more.
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I support what they are doing and the price they charge.
It's not comparable to sunshine, as they are entirely different products. SunShine's goal is just unlock, the included TempRoot is only there to make it work on phones without root.
I will repost my thoughts that I put in the initial release thread for mofo, and thanks to the OP here for creating a discussion thread, I hate being "that guy" who posts off topic. I rarely see anything on the internet that inspires me to bother writing an opinion, but this topic really struck a chord with me.
Personally, I don't fundamentally think it's wrong to charge for root, despite it being historically developed and distributed for free. That being said, one of the things that has made the android dev community amazing is its dedication to opening the abilities of software and hardware for everyone. This core concept of community development and participation is what has helped shape sites like XDA. Once we start the trend of putting a price tag on it, it starts to get a bit apple smelling in here.
For myself, root by itself, not an unlocked bootloader, on a device that’s about to get an OS upgrade is not worth 20$.That price tag is very broken and again sets a bad example. I REALLY DO empathize and sympathize with hard working devs wanting to get some funds back for their time, but the only 0 day exploit being used here is the price tag for this.
Cheers!
I imagine most of us spend $20 over the course of a month on little extras.. a candy bar, fast food lunch, or bar night with friends... etc
So if you sacrifice those little extras for one month to have root on a device that is basically on your body 24/7, to me, is an easy justification to make.
Coming from rooted phones I had no idea how borked an ad-filled android experience is. Being able to use my phone without any visual intrusions is well worth it.
Also coming from 5.0 on an M8, I really don't mind staying with 4.4.4 if the 5.1 update kills the mofo process. Worse case, Im stuck with root on 4.4.4 until my edge up next March and start this process all over again
YES. You can flash an edited image I don't get why people are complaining about this so much it opens a door that allows for mostly anything you could ask for. Edit Image and reflash with what they want.
I have no problem in principle with charging for root. There's nothing at all wrong with a developer expecting compensation for something that (1) requires a specialized skill set that that developer has and (2) clearly required a great deal of that developer's time. Why should I expect them to give me that for free? It would certainly be nice if they did, but it's not something that's owed to me.
That said, I somewhat regret having paid for this. It's fundamentally different from what most users mean when they refer to "root." Apps that advertise themselves as "root apps" almost uniformly contemplate being able to write to /system on the fly, and the lack of an ability to do so means that my phone—while technically rooted—lacks some pretty basic root functionality.
I would have no problem paying $20 or more for what I'll call "true-root". I'm not a technical guy, so doing all the stuff that's required to basically flash a new image is not something I'm willing to do. In addition, you still have write-protection that's not possible or not easily possible to currently circumvent. When I rooted my Droid Razr Maxx (the 1st and only phone I ever rooted), I basically connected to the phone to my laptop, ran a . bat file and sat back and waited. The end result was a fully rooted phone. There was no questions or concerns about what could or could not run. If the app in question required root, then you knew it would safely work.
Don't get me wrong. I believe this will open the door for more possibilities with the Turbo. I can certainly appreciate the time and effort from all involved to get this to where it is. That being said, for me and me only, I will not be implementing this, as it stands today. That would be my stance even if it was being offered at no cost.
The only reasons I ever rooted my Razr Maxx was to get WiFi Hotspot and Titanium Backup working, so the lack of root for me is an inconvenience, not the end of the world.
The issue is that most members here are used to a certain experience, and then when that experience is different they will complain. When they have to pay for that different experience, they complain more. I personally feel like this is 100% worth $20, especially since it is a license for the program. I'm sure that this will open up a lot of doors for this device soon.
If you read this post and on, it looks like we kind of already do have WP off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691280
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I can appreciate that view on the subject. It's still not going to be for everyone.
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I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
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I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
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I understand your points.
I had no problem paying for it. I have used free root exploits many times in the past. I tried to donate for most of them (but haven't always) so I see no problem with kicking some money to the dev for his work.
As for those complaining about not getting free root or "half-root". You've gone 5+ months without ANY root. You are free to go along your merry way and ignore this root. At this point it shouldn't make a difference in your life. You should have done some research when you bought your phone. Historically, Moto phones have been difficult to root/unlock. I'm sure you had other choices at your time of purchase. If root meant that much to you, you should have got the M8 or some other phone with "full root".
As far as "half-root", I understand where people are coming from, but it still gives us root functionality, even if we dont have system write ability. For instance, I am now able to run ARU-R and Greenify in root mode. This alone was worth the price for me. Others have had success w/ Ti backup which is also great. My next step is to start testing some of the advanced Tasker functions, but I dont see why they shouldnt work with this "half-root". So far it does most of everything I needed it for so you'll see no complaints from me.
People need to understand that this is a huge step forward from where we were just a week or 2 ago. And appreciate that maiko1 didnt have to spend his time finding and developing an exploit for us, let alone release it in a nicely packaged tool. Whether you thing WP root is worth $20 is going to vary based on individual needs. Why not instead just be greatful we've come this far and if you want to save your $20 then just keep holding out for whatever else this may open down the road.
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I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.
My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.
Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
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I agree with this approach but your earlier comments were attacking people who didn't object to paying for root out of principal but basically object to paying for what's available right now, as it doesn't give them what they're looking for.
I haven't paid for MOFO yet because it doesn't give me what I'm looking for, which is the ability to install, update and change xposed packages, adaway, etc without having to build and flash a new image every time. I don't have the skills OR the time to do that. I'll be more than happy to pay the $25 I pledged in the root bounty thread if I can get a solution that works for ME.
Like I said, I'm all for devs getting paid to do this, and to be honest, when I read the post about MOFO (before I knew exactly how it worked and what the limitations were), I was relieved that they built the payment mechanism into the solution instead of having to PM hundreds of users and ask for their bounty pledge or for donations on the forum. Moreover, I have a lot of appreciation and respect to people who do these things, whether they charge for it or not. I get all sweaty every time I flash a new ROM, I can't even imagine how much work it is to find these exploits and explore using them for our advantage. It's just that this solution isn't for everyone, at least the way it is now.
Here is how I see it. Maiko1 made a product. This product does exactly what it is designed and advertised to do. Unfortunately, it’s not quite what I’m looking for. If I’m looking for a new car, and I want a car with a sun roof, and someone offers to sell me a car without a sun roof, well, I can decide whether I want to forego that feature and buy that car, or hold off in the hopes that a car with a sunroof will become available. No offense to the dude who made the car without a sunroof at all. I appreciate all the work he put in. It’s just not what I’m looking for. Now, if someone comes along and figures out a way to add a sunroof to the car (adaway, greenify, etc.), I may reconsider and purchase it. But as of now, I don’t really see how those root apps will function without WP off. Don’t they need to be able to write things to the system partition to function properly? I could be wrong on that and if so someone please explain how these root apps will work with the current root option. Just my 2 cents.
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I had no problem paying for it. I have used free root exploits many times in the past. I tried to donate for most of them (but haven't always) so I see no problem with kicking some money to the dev for his work.
As for those complaining about not getting free root or "half-root". You've gone 5+ months without ANY root. You are free to go along your merry way and ignore this root. At this point it shouldn't make a difference in your life. You should have done some research when you bought your phone. Historically, Moto phones have been difficult to root/unlock. I'm sure you had other choices at your time of purchase. If root meant that much to you, you should have got the M8 or some other phone with "full root".
As far as "half-root", I understand where people are coming from, but it still gives us root functionality, even if we dont have system write ability. For instance, I am now able to run ARU-R and Greenify in root mode. This alone was worth the price for me. Others have had success w/ Ti backup which is also great. My next step is to start testing some of the advanced Tasker functions, but I dont see why they shouldnt work with this "half-root". So far it does most of everything I needed it for so you'll see no complaints from me.
People need to understand that this is a huge step forward from where we were just a week or 2 ago. And appreciate that maiko1 didnt have to spend his time finding and developing an exploit for us, let alone release it in a nicely packaged tool. Whether you thing WP root is worth $20 is going to vary based on individual needs. Why not instead just be greatful we've come this far and if you want to save your $20 then just keep holding out for whatever else this may open down the road.
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Perhaps my situation is a little different than most:
I purchased my first droid turbo the morning it came out at my local Verizon store from a friend who had an extra upgrade. I paid a little over $300 for it after taxes. The phone was great, the processor was powerful, and the battery was superb (although not quite 48 hours with my use). As an unlimited data user on Verizon, the lack of tethering for free got to me, and I decided to sell the 64GB beauty for a sound 550$ to pull in a nice little profit.
Fast forward a couple months:
Scanning the droid forums every now and then, I found a post that stated that root was being explored on the turbo. Many android news websites started reporting it and I was beginning to hate my M7 because of it's consistently inconsistent battery life. So what did I do? On March 22nd, I purchased another Turbo for $450; only because I knew it was getting root. And wouldn't luck have it, that the phone arrived in my mailbox yesterday afternoon just hours before the root method was released.
So I am technically INCLINED, but I would not consider myself technically knowledgeable or resilient in regards to system images. With that being said, I don't really trust myself to futz around with my brand spanking new droid turbo since I have no idea what I would do if something goes wrong. (Murphy's Law) I purchased a phone under the notion of "Root is coming to the Turbo!"; which it did! This is 100% undoubtedly a sufficient method of obtaining root. It just wasn't all that I was expecting; and I do have a bad taste left in my mouth only because I purchased this phone thinking I would be getting what I consider to be "full root".
Now,
Am I blaming the developer in ANY way? Absolutely not. His work is fully appreciated on my end.
Do I think this is a huge step for the Turbo development community? Of course!
Will this root method and usage be worth $20 for some people, but not for others? Yes.
Would I recommend this specific root method to any of my friends here at home? Unfortunately, no.
Look, if a dev wants to collect on their work, then by god let them do it! If I poured my time into an exploit such as this, you can be damn sure that I would ask for some capital in return. But would I charge $20? I honestly don't think I would.
LifeAsADroid said:
Correction: my feeling is "here is the best method available as of now. Meet the dev half way and do some very basic, very minor work if you want this function so bad. Dev brought you 90% of the way there, you do the rest because the dev doesn't have your phone in his hands."
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Here's the thing - why go 90% there, and not 100%? There's a technical reason for that, obviously, and if a talented developer like the one that created Mofo can't do it (or doesn't think it's worth the time), a hack, weekend-warrior tinkerer like myself certainly can't. Not without putting in many hours to educate myself on all the inner workings of Android, and most guys who want to root probably can't really devote that kind of time and/or resources to it.
Are you saying that you're not the slightest bit disappointed that this isn't an easy, plug-n-chug solution?
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evastonian said:
If you read this post and on, it looks like we kind of already do have WP off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691280
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Unfortunately, if you read on, you'll see it was only temporary, makes everything unstable, and doesn't survive reboot.
If WP off was as simple as downloading an app from the Play store, I'm thinking the developer could have figured out how to do it and integrate it into Mofo.
spinach.chin said:
Here's the thing - why go 90% there, and not 100%? There's a technical reason for that, obviously, and if a talented developer like the one that created Mofo can't do it (or doesn't think it's worth the time), a hack, weekend-warrior tinkerer like myself certainly can't. Not without putting in many hours to educate myself on all the inner workings of Android, and most guys who want to root probably can't really devote that kind of time and/or resources to it.
Are you saying that you're not the slightest bit disappointed that this isn't an easy, plug-n-chug solution?
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Unfortunately, if you read on, you'll see it was only temporary, makes everything unstable, and doesn't survive reboot.
If WP off was as simple as downloading an app from the Play store, I'm thinking the developer could have figured out how to do it and integrate it into Mofo.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59691816
It does survive soft reboot. So we can install xposed, and update SU binaries. It automates mounting as R/W after the kernel. So this looks like a solution.
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