Hey guys,
Title says it all! I am sold on the Z1 (Z2 too expensive) but the self-cracking issue got me worried hard...its the ONLY reason I'm not getting this right now, how prevalent is it really? Thanks!
I have never heard of it, don't even know what you mean.
And don't worry, I have already asked the mods to move your question to the Q and A section
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gregbradley said:
I have never heard of it, don't even know what you mean.
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Oh my apologies! Thanks
Has anyone experienced this?
I can double the fact that I never heard about this. What is it?
He mean that the Z1 cracking the glass, front or back, by itself. Still unclear how, but someone said it happen on they phones.
Probably a chick that wears skin tight jeans and keeps the phone in their back pocket said it then wonders how the screen cracked lol.
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It happens. Look at sony support forums. They say it was no hit then crack or it just cracked by itself.. Sony addressed the issue i think? I mean, they responded. I forgot their response though just look through the sony support forum.
mahalkosijoy said:
It happens. Look at sony support forums. They say it was no hit then crack or it just cracked by itself.. Sony addressed the issue i think? I mean, they responded. I forgot their response though just look through the sony support forum.
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Yea thats the issue. I just don't know how prevalent it is and who wants to deal with customer support all the time you know? It seems like they denied the issue at first but then they replace it in some cases.
All phones have problems but if its prevalent I'd stay away from the Z1, thats why I asked Phone looks amazing though!
My z1s cracked itself.
Went to sleep and when I woke up the back had cracked.
It doesn't affect usage so no big deal to me.
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Yea thats the issue. I just don't know how prevalent it is and who wants to deal with customer support all the time you know? It seems like they denied the issue at first but then they replace it in some cases.
All phones have problems but if its prevalent I'd stay away from the Z1, thats why I asked Phone looks amazing though!
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Hmm. maybe its a problem for a given batch of z1? Maybe they fixed or solved the problem in other batches, like productiob batches. Like cars. Sometimes they call a specific batch back to get fixed because of problems, then the other batches are ok?
Possibly referring to overcharging the device, the battery swelling , the phone bending and the glass cracking, if this is the case then I can tell you that if you don't overcharge your device (excessively anyway) you won't have this issue, the phone itself is glass but is relatively sturdy and a few knocks here and there won't give you any problems, a drop from height and you might have an issue.
Hope this helps.
What do you mean by excessively charging? Too many times or too much time per charge? Or both? Thx in advance.
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Possibly referring to overcharging the device, the battery swelling , the phone bending and the glass cracking, if this is the case then I can tell you that if you don't overcharge your device (excessively anyway) you won't have this issue, the phone itself is glass but is relatively sturdy and a few knocks here and there won't give you any problems, a drop from height and you might have an issue.
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Rubbish. My handset is almost permanently on charge either on my bedside table (from the moment I get in as it provides my Hotspot), my desk at work (I don't carry it around as I'll break it) or in the van providing handsfree and GPS. Most of this time it's got the screen ON and is being charged with a 2500mAh charger.
If one was too overcharge it would be mine and it never has.
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Rubbish. My handset is almost permanently on charge either on my bedside table (from the moment I get in as it provides my Hotspot), my desk at work (I don't carry it around as I'll break it) or in the van providing handsfree and GPS. Most of this time it's got the screen ON and is being charged with a 2500mAh charger.
If one was too overcharge it would be mine and it never has.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xperia-Z1-frame-bending-for-no-reason-claim-users_id51383
Rubbish? Really? Well explain this then? This is due to excessive heat and overcharge and a bloated battery.
When the battery bloats it has no where to go, i've seen this many times on devices, namely the kit used to diagnose problems on BMW and mercedes cars uses a blue battery and i've seen them triple in size when overcharged and eventually the screws, the sides of the device split, So no not rubbish at all, do your home work.
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What do you mean by excessively charging? Too many times or too much time per charge? Or both? Thx in advance.
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excessive as in overcharging constantly, especially with a charger which outputs too much power. the battery will eventually bloat, this can't be good for the components inside, whether or not that this device in the article is due to that or not is anyones guess, but i've seen devices split from a battery which has bloated beyond its limits. This is usually due to a few factors, excessive heat, charge or water damage.
I don't know why but it happens, galaxy devices see this issue more than others.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xperia-Z1-frame-bending-for-no-reason-claim-users_id51383
Rubbish? Really? Well explain this then? This is due to excessive heat and overcharge and a bloated battery.
When the battery bloats it has no where to go, i've seen this many times on devices, namely the kit used to diagnose problems on BMW and mercedes cars uses a blue bag type battery and i've seen them triple in size when overcharged and eventually the screws, the sides of the device split, So no not rubbish at all, do your home work.
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The article says 'possibly'. It's not confirmed. One of the the things I was asked when my old handset went in for repair was 'is it bent?'. Obviously I said no and asked why, Sony's comment, on the phone, was that the bending people had experienced was due to people sitting on their handsets or putting them in trouser pockets and the pressure combined with heat was causing them to bend.
More to the point. The battery is towards the bottom of the handset. The pictures of bent handsets show the bends to be at the top, nearer the processor.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Battery_life
Read the battery life, conditioning and multi cell device sections
This describes the misconceptions surrounding Li-ion batteries (That are in our Z1's) including the fact that the software in the phone prevents overcharging and will also lead the battery to discharge whilst still plugged in order to give the battery max performance/life.
If a battery in our mobile phones is getting overcharged that will be a symptom of another fault, namely something wrong with the phone software. Our batteries will look after themselves, there is no need to worry
Here is another point about not completely discharging Li-ion batteries
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Battery_life
Read the battery life, conditioning and multi cell device sections
This describes the misconceptions surrounding Li-ion batteries (That are in our Z1's) including the fact that the software in the phone prevents overcharging and will also lead the battery to discharge whilst still plugged in order to give the battery max performance/life.
If a battery in our mobile phones is getting overcharged that will be a symptom of another fault, namely something wrong with the phone software. Our batteries will look after themselves, there is no need to worry
Here is another point about not completely discharging Li-ion batteries
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/
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Ok so the Li ion battery found in the device i was referring to bloated, it was plugged in all of the time, in a different dealer the same machine was cared for by not being over charged, and didn't experience the bloat? reports from several other garages of the same thing.
How do you explain that?
I am not trying to explain anything
Just pointing out some articles, from what I read in them the OS will look after the battery more than us, and that it is OK to leave it on charge without waiting until it is completely discharged. Then, about once a month you should completely discharge it and fully charge to calibrate the software
Maybe the chargemon file in our phones looks after the battery more than the software in those machines you are talking of, its the OS that looks after the battery
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I am not trying to explain anything
Just pointing out some articles, from what I read in them the OS will look after the battery more than us, and that it is OK to leave it on charge without waiting until it is completely discharged. Then, about once a month you should completely discharge it and fully charge to calibrate the software
Maybe the chargemon file in our phones looks after the battery more than the software in those machines you are talking of, its the OS that looks after the battery
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Not sure m8, all i know is that if phones are left to charge all the time they experience anomalies, any phone that's been left in a shop for a period of time will experience the issues, I know there are fail safes in place but issues still occur on all devices, primarily and the most noticeable is sporadic touch screen issues although the newer handsets have been able to erradicate this somewhat, but the bloating battery from overcharging is very real, if i'd not seen it with my own eyes then i would be sceptical too.
Whether this phone bending phenomenon is solely due to overcharging or not i''m not sure but i'd say it's definitely a factor.
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The article says 'possibly'. It's not confirmed. One of the the things I was asked when my old handset went in for repair was 'is it bent?'. Obviously I said no and asked why, Sony's comment, on the phone, was that the bending people had experienced was due to people sitting on their handsets or putting them in trouser pockets and the pressure combined with heat was causing them to bend.
More to the point. The battery is towards the bottom of the handset. The pictures of bent handsets show the bends to be at the top, nearer the processor.
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excessive heat and sitting on the phone? I'd have thought that the glass would have broken way before that it bent, and the battery isn't on the bottom, it's from the bottom all the way up to three quarters of the phone. So it's actually a plausible theory that battery bloating could have caused it to bend.
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Not sure m8, all i know is that if phones are left to charge all the time they experience anomalies, any phone that's been left in a shop for a period of time will experience the issues, I know there are fail safes in place but issues still occur on all devices, primarily and the most noticeable is sporadic touch screen issues although the newer handsets have been able to erradicate this somewhat, but the bloating battery from overcharging is very real, if i'd not seen it with my own eyes then i would be sceptical too.
Whether this phone bending phenomenon is solely due to overcharging or not i''m not sure but i'd say it's definitely a factor.
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excessive heat and sitting on the phone? I'd have thought that the glass would have broken way before that it bent, and the battery isn't on the bottom, it's from the bottom all the way up to three quarters of the phone. So it's actually a plausible theory that battery bloating could have caused it to bend.
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Then I took mine apart it seemed the battery was more towards the bottom than the top. But it is plausible the battery could cause bending. Seems odd though as the heat would be greater in the centre of the battery, not one corner.
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I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
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I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
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Xplodwild tweeted out the other day about issue with USB charging similar to this. Does the same happen when AC charging?
Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
seems to be a similar issue - it was very hot on the back side just below the camera especially I'm just afraid it got too hot and something was damaged.
This explains why google was pushing their bumpers instead of a full case I can't imagine a case would be good for this things thermal characteristics.
This happened while charging via ac when charging via usb it just seems to hold steady at whatever level the battery was.
Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
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Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
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I left it on a wooden desk for 5 to 10 minutes it didn't take long
It is no longer charging. I can't get it back to stock to rma I'm not happy :crying:
Woah, all other nexus 4 problems aside, this one is quite serious.
Just imagine what would have happened if you'd have left it on a easily flammable surface and wouldn't have noticed the heat. Worst case scenario might have been a fire or something like that.
If this really is a common problem (I've already seen at least two people reporting similar issues), we might see a big recall campaign quite soon.
I guess you don't really want the LiPo battery in your phone burst like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Maybe Google should start to sell these bags instead of the bumper
Where you using the provided USB-AC adapter?
I know that my friends GS2 and GS3 got really hot when using my playbook wall charger (rated at 5v ~1.8A) :S
Heard of similiar issues with nexus 7, but the one I'm aware of is still charging.
I haven't experienced this issue yet?
I contacted google play they were quite happy to send me a replacement. Aparently they held back stock in case of a need for returns. HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****! The only other option they said was to return it for a refund and wait a large number of weeks for orders to open up again or send it directly to LG for the same treatment ?!? I'm PISSED. The guy said that this was not the first case he'd heard of like mine didn't even ask any questions except for the serial number - I'd expect that there are going to be quite a few issues like this.
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Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
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Yeah, sounds like my problem. Was your microUSB port also loose/creaky like mine? I got Google to RMA me a new one. It's a shame, I love this phone and this one has no give on the screen whatsoever and no rattle. The port though and the screen flicker are another story...
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I don't have screen flicker yet and the port isn't lose I'm thinking somebody cut some corners on the voltage regulation
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HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****!
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Damn, I guess this is sorta good news for all the folks (myself included) whose banks dropped the authorization, haven't had Google recharge us, and have the phone in hand.
This issue should be taken a lot more seriously when Google/LG are touting wireless charging as a feature. This device gets pretty hot when charging wirelessly. Please comment if you're also having this issue. I feel like it is grossly underreported compared to the cracked glass, sound in speaker, etc. (Probably because not a lot of people have inductive chargers yet).
P.S. I'm using the Energizer single spot charger.
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My phones have always gotten warm while charging without inductive. This one I would imagine might be a little more pronounced since glass does conduct heat much better than plastic. Just the nature of inductive charging I would imagine would create more heat on top of that.
Welcome to the world of physics.
I use the LG WCP-700 Qi charger and my phone does get warm but not hot by any means. Definitely not warm enough to worry.
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I am using the energizer charger and while my phone gets warm, it is noting I am concerned about.
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Where there is energy, there is heat.
Does the inductive charger generate heat?
If so then it's just an additive effect, especially that most chargers being used unlike the still MIA charging orb (GOOGLE!!! GRrrr) cover up the entire back of the N4 and prevent any ventilation.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Ijs
Furthermore and piggybacking off an earlier post regarding glass conductivity, I've refrained from purchasing the inductive chargers that are currently on the market. I haven't thoroughly done any research about the glass of the N4, but the inductive charging kits typically are used concurrently with a device appropriate sleeve. In that sleeve is the inductor and terminations to the devices power port. That sleeve can be wrapped in glass or plastic and most likely it takes the brunt of the energy (power charging) sparring the device. All that being said, I personally don't know the standards if any for power output, but it has to be enough to send energy through the sleeve to the device at a rate comparable to traditional charging methods. So if people are reporting the glass on their N4 cracking because of inductive charging, it's plausible reason is the charger is overrated/phone material is underrated. BTW, that may be a reason why Google hasn't marketed the infamous charging orb we all have seen.
That's just my theory/opinion. Unfortunately I don't care enough to do that research on those gadgets, but interested in what others find.
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Ijs
Furthermore and piggybacking off an earlier post regarding glass conductivity, I've refrained from purchasing the inductive chargers that are currently on the market. I haven't thoroughly done any research about the glass of the N4, but the inductive charging kits typically are used concurrently with a device appropriate sleeve. In that sleeve is the inductor and terminations to the devices power port. That sleeve can be wrapped in glass or plastic and most likely it takes the brunt of the energy (power charging) sparring the device. All that being said, I personally don't know the standards if any for power output, but it has to be enough to send energy through the sleeve to the device at a rate comparable to traditional charging methods. So if people are reporting the glass on their N4 cracking because of inductive charging, it's plausible reason is the charger is overrated/phone material is underrated. BTW, that may be a reason why Google hasn't marketed the infamous charging orb we all have seen.
That's just my theory/opinion. Unfortunately I don't care enough to do that research on those gadgets, but interested in what others find.
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Nexus 4 is qi compliant...as the lg charger and the energizer one ... That mean that they are fully compatible together and they all respect qi regulation standard...
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I wonder if placing four small rubber bumpers on the wireless chargers face plate, and then place the phone on the bumpers may act as an air gap between the charger and the phone, perhaps help in cooling?
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I wonder if placing four small rubber bumpers on the wireless chargers face plate, and then place the phone on the bumpers may act as an air gap between the charger and the phone, perhaps help in cooling?
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I mentioned this in another post somewhere, but I have the LG WCP-700 and have one of those square grippy dashboard mats on top of it. Mainly to keep the phone from sliding, but I did notice that it does charge cooler than when I didn't have it on there.
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I originally bought a Zens inductive charger, it was nice but had this feature where it turned off when it was done charging and then turned right back on again. Basically when the phone was charged it would go through this cycle a couple of times a minute which was pretty annoying with the notifications windows that would open on the phone.
So, I bought the LG unit to compare. And the LG unit doesn't have that issue, and it does get warm (though not hot).
But...
I can't tell if the unit just stays on or not. The green light is flashing which I *assume* means it is charging. Even when the phone is charged.
Is that your experience too?
Has anyone tried using the inductive charger with the bumper case on? Does it work and does the small gap help at all?
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I use the LG WCP-700 Qi charger and my phone does get warm but not hot by any means. Definitely not warm enough to worry.
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Same here... My phone never gets hot unless I'm gaming hardcore or running benchmarks(which I don't do often) so I have the LG charger too so maybe it's the brand of charger or a problem with the charger itself?
Using the Maxell air voltage wireless mat and the intended phone getd no hotter than when plugged into the mains
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Overheated!!!!
Duuuuuuuuuuuuude,
I saw your post and HAD to reply. I have been experiencing the SAME issues!! Phone gets QUITE warm and even HOT while charging wirelessly!!
THIS MORNING I awoke to find my screen a mess of grey and yellow shît!! I got pretty worried so I powered it off... Upon powering it on again, the screen was light grey and washed out, and flickering slightly... As it booted and returned to the home screen, everything in terms of color went back to normal...
I called Google Play this morning (At around 07:30) and the guy was NO help at all. I'm going to call again later to see if I can get someone with a brain (trust me, the guy was not helpful AT ALL, and went as far as to make fun of Indian accents LoL, moron. He thought I said that I was in India, but said it didn't sound like it. I replied "I'm not, but I could be". He then proceeded to say "No, I'm am not in India" with a mocking Indian accent, to which I replied "Well my girlfriend is LoL").
Anyway, using Wireless Charger LG WCP-700 (The "Verizon" wireless charging pad).
I'm contemplating a factory reset... although I HATE the idea of having to back everything up and restore...
I'll post back when/if I have more information...
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Duuuuuuuuuuuuude,
I saw your post and HAD to reply. I have been experiencing the SAME issues!! Phone gets QUITE warm and even HOT while charging wirelessly!!
THIS MORNING I awoke to find my screen a mess of grey and yellow shît!! I got pretty worried so I powered it off... Upon powering it on again, the screen was light grey and washed out, and flickering slightly... As it booted and returned to the home screen, everything in terms of color went back to normal...
I called Google Play this morning (At around 07:30) and the guy was NO help at all. I'm going to call again later to see if I can get someone with a brain (trust me, the guy was not helpful AT ALL, and went as far as to make fun of Indian accents LoL, moron. He thought I said that I was in India, but said it didn't sound like it. I replied "I'm not, but I could be". He then proceeded to say "No, I'm am not in India" with a mocking Indian accent, to which I replied "Well my girlfriend is LoL").
Anyway, using Wireless Charger LG WCP-700 (The "Verizon" wireless charging pad).
I'm contemplating a factory reset... although I HATE the idea of having to back everything up and restore...
I'll post back when/if I have more information...
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Yeah, racism will totally help you get a new phone.
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LoL...
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Welcome to the world of physics.
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Really? Nooooooooooooooooooooo. Surely you MUST be joking?? Physics?? You mean that's how my electric toothbrush has been charging wirelessly since I was 10 too?? Dude... I am floored.
Helpful reply you posted there...
I'm not sure we care about "physics" here per se, I think we care more about finding out why our phones are charging 5-8*C hotter wirelessly than wired... I also think that we're more interested in resolving the problem of waking up to find a phone that has CRASHED due to overheating while wireless charging. And MAYBE (bear with me, I know this is a stretch), maybe we're more interested in getting replies from other people that have had similar experiences than we are in being welcomed to the world of physics... I think we might be more interested in getting posts that provide insight into the problem reported by the initial poster. I know, I know, I'm grasping at straws here... B-Fields, induction, inductive loops, conversion losses, and the MANY related topics are very interesting (really they are, I studied engineering and am fascinated by these things)... It would be nice if you could actually contribute something to the thread. Otherwise, why bother posting? Beats me... what do I know.
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Yeah, racism will totally help you get a new phone.
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Hey Ace, it was the Google phone rep that made the racist remark. My girlfriend is Indian, and I would never have made a disparaging remark like that to total stranger. You don't even make any sense dude. Maybe I should edit my post to make it clearer.
How about you learn how to read before slinging accusations . Why would I come on here to post racist remarks?? I came here looking for information and with a desire to contribute information so that we might better understand the problem... I'm currently on my second call with Google and will report anything noteworthy after the call...
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Second called to Google Play Device Support (shortened version):
Me: Phone charges at 32-34*C with USB, rises to 39-40*C when charging wirelessly AND charges more slowly. This morning I awoke to a crashed phone and had to power cycle it, plus the display was washed out grey until the home screen appeared.
Rep: Maybe the charger is the problem.
Me: I have TWO chargers, both give me the same problem. Also, the WCP-700 was submitted to the FCC on August 23rd for certification along with the Nexus 4. They were tested together...
Rep: Maybe the charger is not compatible.
Me: The charger is Qi compliant and it's made by LG , the phone is also Qi compliant, so it IS/SHOULD BE compatible.Additionally I have read posts from other users that report NO problems with wireless charging with the same Nexus 4 and WCP-700.
Rep: Well we support the phone not the charger, you should call LG
And that's what I got out of my second call to Google Play Support...
Next: Calling LG...
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Phone charges at 32-34*C with USB, rises to 39-40*C when charging wirelessly AND charges more slowly
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I think longer charge times are a given with inductive charging as it is not 100% efficient transfer of current. Guessing that the current that is not transfered in that less than 100% process is given off in heat. In any event, 40°C isn't very hot, and I can't imagine that temp was responsible for what you woke up to.
Is it possible that something else is going on?
Temps...
Solutions Etcetera said:
I think longer charge times are a given with inductive charging as it is not 100% efficient transfer of current. Guessing that the current that is not transfered in that less than 100% process is given off in heat. In any event, 40°C isn't very hot, and I can't imagine that temp was responsible for what you woke up to.
Is it possible that something else is going on?
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Hi there! Thanks for your reply.
I think what you're saying is very plausible, and I would agree in general (that induction incurs losses). BUT, there is evidence from people posting that wireless charging works as fast as USB charging does for them. My Aunt & Uncle have Galaxy S III's that they use with this WCP-700 Wireless Charging Pad, and their phones charge just as fast wirelessly . It IS possible of course that the Nexus 4 might charge more slowly... This is definitely what I have observed, but I don't think it's "normal" due to the substantially higher temps :-/.
Honestly I have to disagree with you on the temperature thing... I think 40*C (104*F) is pretty high. It's not insanely high, but it's high enough that I wouldn't want the phone to be exposed to those temperatures every time it's charged, weeks, months and eventually a year or two... Heat is the "enemy" of batteries and electronics in general. It's high enough to be uncomfortable to hold (e.g. back glass pressed against my face at 40*C). I've had several phones (SonyEricsson P910 & T30, HTC Sensation, HTC Amaze, iPhone 4S and 5 for work) and I don't recall any of these phones ever getting this hot while charging normally (USB of course).
40*C is ~20% higher than my average USB charging temps, and I don't feel that a 20% increase can be accounted for by induction losses.
I'm going to stream Netflix to get my battery down to 40-50% and then throw it on the wireless plate and see how high the temps go... If some of the users that are having success with wireless charging, maybe they could post their battery temps for comparison?
NOW that I'm looking back at my battery temperature history, I see that the temperature went from 32.2*C to 46.3*C on the 26th of November from about 13:00 to 14:00 which was a Monday and I probably had it on the Wireless Charging plate... 46*C is insane for a phone, so I definitely think something is screwy...
I'll report back with the results of dropping it to 40-50% and back to 100% (or as close as possible) with the wireless charger...
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Solutions Etcetera said:
I think longer charge times are a given with inductive charging as it is not 100% efficient transfer of current. Guessing that the current that is not transfered in that less than 100% process is given off in heat. In any event, 40°C isn't very hot, and I can't imagine that temp was responsible for what you woke up to.
Is it possible that something else is going on?
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"and I can't imagine that temp was responsible for what you woke up to."
Honestly, I think it's related. I haven't seen that behavior at any other point in time... I've had navigation going, music streaming at the same time, bunches of apps open in the background, phone calls, Netflix, taking photos... and the phone has been perfectly stable, not a single crash. The only time I ever found the phone unresponsive and quite frankly looking like shît was this morning after a wireless charge ...
My htc battery life is normal but charging from 17% takes 5:28 and charging from 10 % takes over 6 hours!! Sometimes it charterselskaper in 3 hours but most of the time over 5 hours.
Is Thon a bug that will be fixed in a future update or a hw fault? Should I try restoring the phone?
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My htc battery life is normal but charging from 17% takes 5:28 and charging from 10 % takes over 6 hours!! Sometimes it charterselskaper in 3 hours but most of the time over 5 hours.
Is Thon a bug that will be fixed in a future update or a hw fault? Should I try restoring the phone?
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You need to be asking yourself 'has anything changed recently'
- is it a Stock ROM or Custom/Cooked ROM?
- is the Kernel Stock or again flashed?
- any new apps recently installed?
- any tweaks of enhancements (flashed or apps)?
As a proving ground you can restore and start from scratch to see if this resolves, failing that post up a reply with as much relevant info as possible,, makes it easier and faster to help you!
Also what charger and cable are you using?
I Am using the orginal charger. I have installed normal apps and gsam battery and battery defender yesterday. Will try to factory reset today
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It's a known fact that the HTC One takes a long time to charge. It's sort of a security protocol by HTC in order to preserve the battery and prolong its life.
"The HTC One does have a bigger battery than many smartphones, rated at 2,300mAh, and some owners have been complaining that it takes a long time to charge. You may be used to your smartphone being fully charged within three hours, but the HTC One is likely to take four hours or longer. Apparently HTC has taken precautions to ensure that the battery lasts (since it isn’t removable) and this partly accounts for the longer charging time. If it seems to be taking a lot longer than that then there are a couple of things worth checking.
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Have a read here:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-doesnt-support-qualcomm-quick-charge-20130509/
make sure that wifi, blue-tooth and gps are tuned off before you start to charge your phone, also check for any app that might be using high cpu power "watch dog" app will allow you to do this, also make sure your screen is turned off during charging.
John.
Thanks, can I use a more powerful charger? IPad charger with 10w to make it go faster?
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It won't make a difference, it'll still only draw the power is it made to draw. Plus, I wouldn't recommend using anything other than the original charger or one identical to it (like a Samsung Galaxy's, for instance) for safety reasons and to prolong the battery's life - you do know it's very hard to replace, haha.
Yeah, the reason the battery takes so long to charge, is that it is charged at a very low slow rate, as a fast charge can damage the battery, and as said above the battery is virtually impossible to replace, see the fixit tear-down on youtube.
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
Yeah, the reason the battery takes so long to charge, is that it is charged at a very low slow rate, as a fast charge can damage the battery, and as said above the battery is virtually impossible to replace, see the fixit tear-down on youtube.
John.
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I don't think the ifixit it guys knew what they did. The phone is definitely repairable if you know how to do it. They obviously didn't.
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I don't think the ifixit it guys knew what they did. The phone is definitely repairable if you know how to do it. They obviously didn't.
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Well, they are known to open up stuff with extreme care and lots of expertise for many years, I wouldn't doubt their words though. Unless HTC has some super secret method of taking things apart.
Anything can be dismantled and put back with caution, I am just saying that it's rather difficult to do it yourself and paying a professional to do it will probably cost a lot because that kind of labor is rather expensive. Why risk it, anyway?
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Well, they are known to open up stuff with extreme care and lots of expertise for many years, I wouldn't doubt their words though. Unless HTC has some super secret method of taking things apart.
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They took "one piece of aluminium" too seriously and didn't remove the speaker grills. I think if the grills are removed you will have a lot better view of things to remove. This phone as much as any other needs to be repaired. The company needs to keep repair costs low so they would be idiots not to make it easy. The phone is repairable in all parts only for common sense reasons. We just don't know the way to do it correctly. But we don't actually have to...
Tinderbox (UK) said:
Yeah, the reason the battery takes so long to charge, is that it is charged at a very low slow rate, as a fast charge can damage the battery, and as said above the battery is virtually impossible to replace, see the fixit tear-down on youtube.
John.
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Got the same answere from HTC
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Hello,
First - sorry for my bad English!
These days I bought used ONE m7.Previous owner told me that the phone was not used for more than a month. Now sometimes, only sometimes, when take a shot with flash the phone shut down. After power ON the battery is with more than 10% lower than before this. Hard reset not solved the problem. Is there a hard- or soft- problem?
Sounds like a failing battery. You can replace it, but it is not easy nor recommended for a beginner. Take it to a reputable repair shop. Expect to buy a full front housing with digitizer and gorilla glass, as well as a rear housing, in addition to the battery. Even for a pro, it is difficult not to damage the housing when getting the phone open.
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You may also try a factory reset to see if it is a problem with the particular ROM you are using, but my experience is that large drops like that signal the beginning of the end of the battery. Even lithium ion batteries have a finite lifespan. The lack of an easily interchangeable battery actually played a large role in my purchase decision when it came time to get a new phone recently. Ended up going with the Note 4 even though I am so excited about the m9. You could purchase a Mobie juice pack to get by in situations where your battery drains like that, but all the Mobie packs I ever bought ended up breaking. Apparently the placement of the microusb slot is less than ideal when it comes to a drop while charging. It lands right on the slot and messes it up good.
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Sounds like a failing battery. You can replace it, but it is not easy nor recommended for a beginner. Take it to a reputable repair shop. Expect to buy a full front housing with digitizer and gorilla glass, as well as a rear housing, in addition to the battery. Even for a pro, it is difficult not to damage the housing when getting the phone open.
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You may also try a factory reset to see if it is a problem with the particular ROM you are using, but my experience is that large drops like that signal the beginning of the end of the battery. Even lithium ion batteries have a finite lifespan. The lack of an easily interchangeable battery actually played a large role in my purchase decision when it came time to get a new phone recently. Ended up going with the Note 4 even though I am so excited about the m9. You could purchase a Mobie juice pack to get by in situations where your battery drains like that, but all the Mobie packs I ever bought ended up breaking. Apparently the placement of the microusb slot is less than ideal when it comes to a drop while charging. It lands right on the slot and messes it up good.
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That sounds so logical and probably this is the truth, but the phone is only on 9 months in use. Is it normal to failure the battery for couple of months?
Maybe after 2 or 3 full charge-discharge cycles the battery will work better?
And it have 2y warranty. Maybe HTC will repair it?
Definitely worth a try to charge and discharge fully, but don't make it a habit or it will further ruin battery. I'd say one full charge/discharge should do it. Otherwise try not to let it fall below 20 percent. As for would it do this after 9 months. I can say for certain that mine did. But it all depends on how heavily it was used and how many times total it was charges and discharged. Most lion batteries can be fully recharged 300 times. If the person who had it before you was a heavy user and let it die everytime before plugging it up, it definitely could kill the battery in a really short time.
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That sounds so logical and probably this is the truth, but the phone is only on 9 months in use. Is it normal to failure the battery for couple of months?
Maybe after 2 or 3 full charge-discharge cycles the battery will work better?
And it have 2y warranty. Maybe HTC will repair it?
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phone dialer *#*#3424#*#* HTC diagnostic tool test battery 1 hr if drops below 70% it means replace battery goto HTC service
Mine was changed twice in a year now it's working great
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I make test and the result is 74% after 1 hour test by Htc diagnostic tool.But some says that tha battery warranty is only 6 or 9 months here in Bulgaria.But I must ask directly Htc, not local service.
Pretty sure I have a faulty battery that is dying while trying to boot up from 0%.
Any other reports of battery issues with this phone?
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is it normal for ~5-10% battery loss to occur when the battery is removed and reinserted?
I'd call 611 and do a warranty exchange
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is it normal for ~5-10% battery loss to occur when the battery is removed and reinserted?
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Never had this happen
Could be a bad battery. My sweetie just bought a new one whilst out on the town even though I have another one.
She's on my s4. But, I would say you hafta lift the board with a fingernail file.
If using a metal nail file. Obviously, no power.
I came across a couple of batteries that came with the Extra Battery Kit directly from Samsung, unable to hold a full charge. There is a problem, but not pertaining to a specific carrier. After multiple replacements, I finally got a Battery from Samsung through their Extra Battery Kit Made and Assembled in Korea. So far, no problems whatsoever. Not saying that location in where the battery was assembled matters. I could have just been lucky.