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I just got my Nexus 5 today - it's perfect so far (cross my fingers). I know there are a lot of impressions threads but this is a baseline for people who are still waiting and want more details about the Nexus 5 that some of hands on have been lacking. So Let's begin.
Compared to the LG G2. They are almost identical in size. The LG feels heavier but that's not a bad thing. The Nexus 5 is super light and you can feel it. It's about a 1mm thinner and i see that. When looking at both phones in each hand -- there is a big difference in screen. The .2 inch screen side does make a difference but i was wondering why the "edge to edge" of the nexus 5 wasn't giving me this feeling that the screen is floating. THe reason is because the screen isn't edge to edge. The L2 actually has thinner bezels and this actually does make a difference. It smacks you right in the face.
that being said, the screen of the Nexus 5 is better than the LG G2.
The display is brighter than the G2 -- The highest brightness of the G2 is about 60% brightness of the N5. I can use the N5 in about 15% brightness just fine.
The colors of the N5 are flatter, the G2 does show more saturation. I'll try and post pictures of this.
The color tones of the N5 is warmer than the G2. N5 has those slight yellow whites vs cold blueish tones of the G2.
I do miss the 5.2 inch screen of the G2 but I don't miss UI and sluggish feel.
the screen of the N5 is sharper. This is probably more due to the font choice. LG made a horrible choose of font with thicker font compared to the roboto font that works well with sharper screens. I always thought my G2 was burly and maybe it was the oil from my fingers, then i realized it was just like that.....fail.
Speakers:
Speakers on the G2 are louder but as you get maxed out, the sound starts to sound distorty.
WIth the n5, its not as loud but it sounds good even at max. (bit dissapointment for anyone with a HTC one)
Camera
Testing camera right now. The pictures seem very similar, the biggest issue with stock android has always been autofocus. The G2 had about a 10 autofocus fiend or something so it locked onto subjects good, the nexus i was a bit concerned. HDR+ is actually pretty awesome but you have to hold it pretty careful. I'll do a side by side comparison these.
Memory:
cleared all applications - Ram used 1.24 gigs / 524 free for G2
cleared all applications - Ram used 1 gigs / ~750MB free for N5
UI
not even close, I"m glad to be on Kit Kat and way from LG.
Battery life
I played with the phone for 4 and half hours non stop. Loading all apps, getting things installed. Talking on hangouts -- Screen on time 3.5 hours (isn).
G2 gets about 5 hours screen on for me on Verizon. This sounds about right -- since the G2 is 25% bigger battery life. it should see 25 percent better screen on.
Misc
due the touch screen issues of the G2 -- it's freaking annoying and I don't want to go back to that screen with those issues.
More to come.
DammitCubs said:
I just got my Nexus 5 today - it's perfect so far (cross my fingers). I know there are a lot of impressions threads but this is a baseline for people who are still waiting and want more details about the Nexus 5 that some of hands on have been lacking. So Let's begin.
Compared to the LG G2. They are almost identical in size. The LG feels heavier but that's not a bad thing. The Nexus 5 is super light and you can feel it. It's about a 1mm thinner and i see that. When looking at both phones in each hand -- there is a big difference in screen. The .2 inch screen side does make a difference but i was wondering why the "edge to edge" of the nexus 5 wasn't giving me this feeling that the screen is floating. THe reason is because the screen isn't edge to edge. The L2 actually has thinner bezels and this actually does make a difference. It smacks you right in the face.
that being said, the screen of the Nexus 5 is better than the LG G2.
The display is brighter than the G2 -- The highest brightness of the G2 is about 60% brightness of the N5. I can use the N5 in about 15% brightness just fine.
The colors of the N5 are flatter, the G2 does show more saturation. I'll try and post pictures of this.
The color tones of the N5 is warmer than the G2. N5 has those slight yellow whites vs cold blueish tones of the G2.
I do miss the 5.2 inch screen of the G2 but I don't miss UI and sluggish feel.
the screen of the N5 is sharper. This is probably more due to the font choice. LG made a horrible choose of font with thicker font compared to the roboto font that works well with sharper screens. I always thought my G2 was burly and maybe it was the oil from my fingers, then i realized it was just like that.....fail.
Speakers:
Speakers on the G2 are louder but as you get maxed out, the sound starts to sound distorty.
WIth the n5, its not as loud but it sounds good even at max. (bit dissapointment for anyone with a HTC one)
Camera
Testing camera right now. The pictures seem very similar, the biggest issue with stock android has always been autofocus. The G2 had about a 10 autofocus fiend or something so it locked onto subjects good, the nexus i was a bit concerned. HDR+ is actually pretty awesome but you have to hold it pretty careful. I'll do a side by side comparison these.
Memory:
cleared all applications - Ram used 1.24 gigs / 524 free for G2
cleared all applications - Ram used 1 gigs / ~750MB free for N5
UI
not even close, I"m glad to be on Kit Kat and way from LG.
Battery life
I played with the phone for 4 and half hours non stop. Loading all apps, getting things installed. Talking on hangouts -- Screen on time 3.5 hours (isn).
G2 gets about 5 hours screen on for me on Verizon. This sounds about right -- since the G2 is 25% bigger battery life. it should see 25 percent better screen on.
Misc
due the touch screen issues of the G2 -- it's freaking annoying and I don't want to go back to that screen with those issues.
More to come.
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Awesome comparison mate. I swapped my G2 for the Nexus 5 and love the speed difference. can't really tell the screen size difference personally though as both phones have about the same footprint.
i wonder why kitkat is taking a full gig of ram after you cleared all apps out
DammitCubs said:
Misc
due the touch screen issues of the G2 -- it's freaking annoying and I don't want to go back to that screen with those issues.
More to come.
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What touch screen issues? Just curious since I haven't noticed. I will also have both today and be doing my own side-by-side :good:
Is it possible to transplant the G2 battery into the Nexus 5?
Cyb3rGlitch said:
Is it possible to transplant the G2 battery into the Nexus 5?
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No, live with the bad battery
hamad138 said:
No, live with the bad battery
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Do you know this or are you attempting to be funny?
Cyb3rGlitch said:
Do you know this or are you attempting to be funny?
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Its impossible the baterry on the g2 is rounded and uses an unflat design.
It wont fit in
hamad138 said:
Its impossible the baterry on the g2 is rounded and uses an unflat design.
It wont fit in
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I don't think it being rounded is the issue. It's whether the dimensions allow it to fit. If a slightly thicker backing is required at least that's possible to do.
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I don't think it being rounded is the issue. It's whether the dimensions allow it to fit. If a slightly thicker backing is required at least that's possible to do.
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Go battery has significantly different @dimen it won't fit
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crawlgsx said:
What touch screen issues? Just curious since I haven't noticed. I will also have both today and be doing my own side-by-side :good:
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You have a G2? You've been holding out on me :sly:
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ctowne said:
You have a G2? You've been holding out on me :sly:
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haha well not exactly it is in my sig .
I really like it but I still couldnt resist getting an N5 .
crawlgsx said:
haha well not exactly it is in my sig .
I really like it but I still couldnt resist getting an N5 .
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Not exactly? Lol
I can't see your sig on my phone
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ctowne said:
Not exactly? Lol
I can't see your sig on my phone
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Not exactly been holding out on you lol, forgot you can't see the signatures on the phone :silly:
crawlgsx said:
Not exactly been holding out on you lol, forgot you can't see the signatures on the phone :silly:
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Ooo haha that makes more sense
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I'm thinking about selling my G2 and buying a N5 also, and I would still be in profit.
The only thing that made me reconsider is the battery life. Right now I dont even think about charging, never! I dont bring a charging cable to work, Its just one worry less
I didn't realize any issue with the touchscreen on the G2, could you be more specific?
I think that it's almost the same phone by specs, size etc.
Only difference is battery, camera and being on stock of course :angel:
Nice comparison. I have a G2 that someone is coming to my work to buy today, and my Nexus 5 is on the UPS truck to be delivered today. I loved the G2, but couldn't get past some deep flaws like a wonky touchscreen, wonky proximity sensor and those god-awful rear buttons. I will DEFINITELY miss the battery life, it was just insane a cell phone could last that long.
I just hope the speaker phone, camera and battery life are not as bad as some reviews are saying on the N5.
I stopped reading you said nexus 5 speakers are not loud but sounds good even when at max.
Enddo said:
i wonder why kitkat is taking a full gig of ram after you cleared all apps out
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It's not, the app is just cached into the RAM, which opens your apps quicker. Rebooting will give you a fresh RAM.
DammitCubs said:
I just got my Nexus 5 today - it's perfect so far (cross my fingers). I know there are a lot of impressions threads but this is a baseline for people who are still waiting and want more details about the Nexus 5 that some of hands on have been lacking. So Let's begin.
Compared to the LG G2. They are almost identical in size. The LG feels heavier but that's not a bad thing. The Nexus 5 is super light and you can feel it. It's about a 1mm thinner and i see that. When looking at both phones in each hand -- there is a big difference in screen. The .2 inch screen side does make a difference but i was wondering why the "edge to edge" of the nexus 5 wasn't giving me this feeling that the screen is floating. THe reason is because the screen isn't edge to edge. The L2 actually has thinner bezels and this actually does make a difference. It smacks you right in the face.
that being said, the screen of the Nexus 5 is better than the LG G2.
The display is brighter than the G2 -- The highest brightness of the G2 is about 60% brightness of the N5. I can use the N5 in about 15% brightness just fine.
The colors of the N5 are flatter, the G2 does show more saturation. I'll try and post pictures of this.
The color tones of the N5 is warmer than the G2. N5 has those slight yellow whites vs cold blueish tones of the G2.
I do miss the 5.2 inch screen of the G2 but I don't miss UI and sluggish feel.
the screen of the N5 is sharper. This is probably more due to the font choice. LG made a horrible choose of font with thicker font compared to the roboto font that works well with sharper screens. I always thought my G2 was burly and maybe it was the oil from my fingers, then i realized it was just like that.....fail.
Speakers:
Speakers on the G2 are louder but as you get maxed out, the sound starts to sound distorty.
WIth the n5, its not as loud but it sounds good even at max. (bit dissapointment for anyone with a HTC one)
Camera
Testing camera right now. The pictures seem very similar, the biggest issue with stock android has always been autofocus. The G2 had about a 10 autofocus fiend or something so it locked onto subjects good, the nexus i was a bit concerned. HDR+ is actually pretty awesome but you have to hold it pretty careful. I'll do a side by side comparison these.
Memory:
cleared all applications - Ram used 1.24 gigs / 524 free for G2
cleared all applications - Ram used 1 gigs / ~750MB free for N5
UI
not even close, I"m glad to be on Kit Kat and way from LG.
Battery life
I played with the phone for 4 and half hours non stop. Loading all apps, getting things installed. Talking on hangouts -- Screen on time 3.5 hours (isn).
G2 gets about 5 hours screen on for me on Verizon. This sounds about right -- since the G2 is 25% bigger battery life. it should see 25 percent better screen on.
Misc
due the touch screen issues of the G2 -- it's freaking annoying and I don't want to go back to that screen with those issues.
More to come.
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i have a G2 as well and got a nexus 5 coming tomorrow. Ill make a comparison too. I think the UI is a matter of preference and battery life is not even comparable. No touchscreen issues here.
Also here is my free ram on the G2
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Hi guys I'm thinking of buying LG G flex and looking for some opinions. Im an Xperia Z user and a very satisfied user. I didnt even think of changing my phone and its been with me for a year but the G flex caught my eyes and the main reason why i wanna buy it is because its different and curved. Here are some things that Im not so sure about so if you can help me with it using your experience then Id be grateful
1- Screen quality - now to be honest, im not a tech expert or someone that will look at the screen very closely to find pixels. Im a normal user, i like watching some videos and web browsing. the g flex has got a lot of criticism on the 720p display so what do you guys think in general? im coming from a 1080p display but i dont think ill have a lot of problems with the 720p display? some reviews i read were horendous that u cant even look at the screen its so bad. i know its not that bad. i just want to know if its a good screen that can show videos and pictures nicely. nothing extra extra sharp. also, im using hp envy x2 which is a tablet and laptop hybrid featuring a 720p display. i love it and dont have any problems against the screen. but i dont know whether 11 inch tablet screens are difff from phone screens and if tablet screens are even better at 720p?
2-screen ghosting. this is another thing ive heard a lot but havent heard anything about it from regular users. is screen ghosting a major issue and does it happen regularly? i plan on using it at 60% or + brightness because the battery is huge so will screen ghosting still be present? and is there a fix? is it a deal breaker?
3 Screen bumps- ive seen videos where users show bumps on their screens which lg admitted as well i think its because of flexing the screen. is bumps a regular issue for you guys? if i get a bump, it there a way to fix it or will it stay forever ?
4- Back- someone told me that the back of the device looks cheap and is uncomfortable?
5 Breaking - this might sound weird but did anyone break their device is the curved and flexible screen and design sensitive and will it break if it drops?
6 -Usable- i havent used a 6 inch phone before so this is a general question of whether the phone seems fine in usage? my xperia z is 5 inches but i dont consider it as big at all but do u guys feel that 6 inches is manageable? i had a blackberry playbook once and it was very big at 7 inches and NOT AT ALL something i couuld use as a phone. so how is the 6 inch phone? is it TOO big? or does it seem fine??
Thanks is advance
1. Screen is good but grainy, but for videos this is one of the best screens I have held, and the battery timings for watching videos is phenomenal. You can watch unto 20 hours of video on this phone not to mention overall battery timings as well.
2. Ghosting is definitely there and can be a problem at start but you get use to it slowly, I am use to it now though it was a bit annoying at start.
3. No bumps so far and I have flexed it quite often.
4. The back of this phone is the most premium thing about this phone, it's great to hold and though it looks slippery but it is quite wonderful to grip and doesn't slip.
5 No certain answer for breaking cus you can break anything you want but the construction of the phone is quite solid.
6. It's a big phone and can be a problem if you have small hands but as you have mentioned that 7 inches tablet is fine for you then this shouldn't be a problem at all.
Bottom line: the best phone if you are a phablet lover and you can't use anything else.
papa.khan123 said:
1. Screen is good but grainy, but for videos this is one of the best screens I have held, and the battery timings for watching videos is phenomenal. You can watch unto 20 hours of video on this phone not to mention overall battery timings as well.
2. Ghosting is definitely there and can be a problem at start but you get use to it slowly, I am use to it now though it was a bit annoying at start.
3. No bumps so far and I have flexed it quite often.
4. The back of this phone is the most premium thing about this phone, it's great to hold and though it looks slippery but it is quite wonderful to grip and doesn't slip.
5 No certain answer for breaking cus you can break anything you want but the construction of the phone is quite solid.
6. It's a big phone and can be a problem if you have small hands but as you have mentioned that 7 inches tablet is fine for you then this shouldn't be a problem at all.
Bottom line: the best phone if you are a phablet lover and you can't use anything else.
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is ghosting there even at high brightness? i think thats pretty bad if ghosting is always there
I've had my flex about a month and I haven't seen any burn in or ghosting. Which from my reading should only happen during the first few weeks of device use if at all. I came from a galaxy s4 and I'll tell ya the screen looks as good as the s4 99% of the time I have noticed the grainy look but only on a few pics. Doesn't always look grainy. I think its just certain colors and maybe pic quality that's my opinion.
As far as breaking. I've dropped mine a couple times and its fine. No cracks the back doesn't feel cheap at all. There's a video of a guy hyper extending the phone probably 15° and it didn't break the screen. The LCD I believe is flexible its the rest of the phone is not. And I think you will only see the bumps in the screen if you try flattening it out or hyper extending it like the guy in the video. Which the bumps appeared from internal parts poking the back of the LCD when bent.
Coming from a very speedy Galaxy S4 to this ....
I'm very pleased. Its faster smoother less lag screen just as good to me but bigger which is a good thing.
I love it. I would recommend and buy another.
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Yes but I hardly even notice the ghosting anymore. I did at first. Really only noticeable for me when using stock sms with dark background in sms and going from white to dark when opening messages.
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yasirrfc said:
is ghosting there even at high brightness? i think thats pretty bad if ghosting is always there
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Just like so many others, I have not been bothered in any way with ghosting, graininess, or any of the other non sense you have been reading on the internet; all that crap comes from Samsung fan bois, so ignore it..
sounds like you are a lot like me; you don't micro stare at every little aspect of your cell phone, so you will absolutely LOVE this phone; there is a slight blue hue/graininess at times, but moving the brightness up a bit gets rid of it, if it bothers you; it doesn't bother me one bit!
bumps? never heard of it from ANY of the users here. Obviously some idiot abused his phone somehow, and caused something unusual to happen.
how the hell does the back of a device "look cheap"? sounds like more fanbois stupidity..
I've dropped it a couple of times, with no issues to it, so its not like a fragile china vase..
And, if you are ok with your xperia at 5 inches, you won't have any issues with this one...
I'm happy with mine so far. I've always used high end Samsung service's. Best performance I've ever had on a phone. Imo there is only one phone in this category that is better and it's. The note 3. But I just wanted to give this a try cause... well I played with it in the store and I really liked it. If somebody talks badly about this they are just super particular.
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This phone has a "cool factor" that no other phone out now can match....
Coming from a long line of Samsung devices that I've enjoyed very much I took a chance on the Flex about a month back because I like to watch a fair amount of video on my phone and thought it might prove superior for this purpose. A month on I'm not disappointed. I love the screen. I keep the brightness up and haven't been disappointed at all with the quality. I don't miss my Note 3's 1080P. I've had no issues with the phone from bending and such and enjoy the feel of the phone in the hand when texting and making calls. The Flex is very fast and the battery lasts forever. Honestly my only complaint and it is a minor one is that the rear of the phone picks up dust and lint easily, I assume due to the coating. This is not a big deal to me. Overall I would easily purchase this phone again.
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Coming from a long line of Samsung devices that I've enjoyed very much I took a chance on the Flex about a month back because I like to watch a fair amount of video on my phone and thought it might prove superior for this purpose. A month on I'm not disappointed. I love the screen. I keep the brightness up and haven't been disappointed at all with the quality. I don't miss my Note 3's 1080P. I've had no issues with the phone from bending and such and enjoy the feel of the phone in the hand when texting and making calls. The Flex is very fast and the battery lasts forever. Honestly my only complaint and it is a minor one is that the rear of the phone picks up dust and lint easily, I assume due to the coating. This is not a big deal to me. Overall I would easily purchase this phone again.
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did u have ghosting problems?
Someone has offered me 200 and a new galaxy mega 6.3 for my g flex what do you all think...should I make the switch ?
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yasirrfc said:
did u have ghosting problems?
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I haven't experienced any ghosting issues as yet.
Went from a Note 3 to the flex. Don't miss the Note at all. Really loving this phone, just wish development was more active, ..but after rooting and do a few things. I'm pretty happy with it as is. Great phone. Probably never go back to Samsung again. Their phones have gotten "common" and boring.
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Someone has offered me 200 and a new galaxy mega 6.3 for my g flex what do you all think...should I make the switch ?
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Why are you asking us lol? If it was ne i would be asking myself why would i want a phone larger then a 6inch which is the biggest i go s for me heck no i wouldn't trade my flex for no mega, that phone is just over doing it i'm sorry but i don't understand the why over due it as a 6 inch is just the perfect size now you have to ask yourself why do you want the mega not ask us because majority might and will say they wouldn't do it but you have to understand that's us at the end if the day our opinion shouldn't matter if you are interested in the mega so there for if you played with one then you should know what you want to do.
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I owned the G Flex for a week before I traded it back in on a Note 3. There were just several things I didn't like about it (screen quality & ghosting issues being the driving factors) that caused me to return it. I do miss the Flex sometimes because I thought the curved screen was a great design, but I do not regret my decision to go with the Note 3 as it's easily the best device I've ever owned.
That said, if you can get past the graininess of the screen and the fact that it's not as sharp as the 1080p screens that are out now, it's a fantastic phone. The battery life is second to none (since the screen is only 720p, it drains the battery much slower than the higher res 1080p screen would), it's very smooth and the curved design fits well in your hand. It also has a huge 6" display. The hardware buttons on the back are also a nice touch. All in all, it was a great attempt by LG to try something a little different. Though I did come from a Note 2, I am by no means a Samsung fanboy. My favorite phone prior to this was my HTC Evo3D. I wanted really bad to love the Flex but in the end, I just didn't feel like the things I did like about it could make up for it's shortcomings and in such, I just couldn't commit to it as my daily driver for the next year.
yasirrfc said:
Hi guys I'm thinking of buying LG G flex and looking for some opinions. Im an Xperia Z user and a very satisfied user. I didnt even think of changing my phone and its been with me for a year but the G flex caught my eyes and the main reason why i wanna buy it is because its different and curved. Here are some things that Im not so sure about so if you can help me with it using your experience then Id be grateful
1- Screen quality - now to be honest, im not a tech expert or someone that will look at the screen very closely to find pixels. Im a normal user, i like watching some videos and web browsing. the g flex has got a lot of criticism on the 720p display so what do you guys think in general? im coming from a 1080p display but i dont think ill have a lot of problems with the 720p display? some reviews i read were horendous that u cant even look at the screen its so bad. i know its not that bad. i just want to know if its a good screen that can show videos and pictures nicely. nothing extra extra sharp. also, im using hp envy x2 which is a tablet and laptop hybrid featuring a 720p display. i love it and dont have any problems against the screen. but i dont know whether 11 inch tablet screens are difff from phone screens and if tablet screens are even better at 720p?
2-screen ghosting. this is another thing ive heard a lot but havent heard anything about it from regular users. is screen ghosting a major issue and does it happen regularly? i plan on using it at 60% or + brightness because the battery is huge so will screen ghosting still be present? and is there a fix? is it a deal breaker?
3 Screen bumps- ive seen videos where users show bumps on their screens which lg admitted as well i think its because of flexing the screen. is bumps a regular issue for you guys? if i get a bump, it there a way to fix it or will it stay forever ?
4- Back- someone told me that the back of the device looks cheap and is uncomfortable?
5 Breaking - this might sound weird but did anyone break their device is the curved and flexible screen and design sensitive and will it break if it drops?
6 -Usable- i havent used a 6 inch phone before so this is a general question of whether the phone seems fine in usage? my xperia z is 5 inches but i dont consider it as big at all but do u guys feel that 6 inches is manageable? i had a blackberry playbook once and it was very big at 7 inches and NOT AT ALL something i couuld use as a phone. so how is the 6 inch phone? is it TOO big? or does it seem fine??
Thanks is advance
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Being the phone junkie I am one of the things I like most about buying new phones is something different and that's why I got the Flex.
Screen - I look at the 720p Flex screen as a pro because that's why the battery life is so great. It's really nice not having to worry about charging your phone for 24 hrs even with heavy use. I had a G2 before my Flex and I don't miss the 1080 screen. I never watch reviews because most of them the people don't even use the phone for that long plus I like to see for myself. The good thing is you get 14 days.
Screen ghosting - I'm not sure if this is that but when I play QuizUp I see the image for a second or two after it goes away sometimes. It doesn't bother me. That's even when the brightness is maxed. I only turn down the brightness when in bed and the Flex battery makes it around 24 hrs on one charge with heavy use.
Screen Bumps - I'm pretty sure this only happens when you Flex the Flex. Just don't do that any you should be fine. I think it's another thing the LG haters like to talk about.
Back of the phone looks cheap - Ummm nothing looks cheap with the Flex. It's a solid phone. The phone is thin and the back is slippery plus the phone tends to pick up lint more then others. I put on a Otter Box 360 skin to keep the phone thin. Phone isn't slippery and less lint/ fingerprints.
Breaking - Ummm just take care of the phone and you'll be fine.
Size - The Flex is so thin it fits fine in my front jeans pocket but I don't wear skinny jeans. lol The phone doesn't feel big. IMO That's another thing that is subjective.
Here's my 2 cents, this phone is great the screen is a bit grainy, but with brightness turned up you won't notice it. Ghosting does happen but only when switching between apps and only for like 2 seconds then it's fine. My only complaint about this phone is the camera, it takes amazing pictures when out in the sun or in a room with ample lighting, but I went to a concert the other night and took pictures and I had to really play with the settings to get the pictures to be decent. For me I'm disappointed at that and hope that this issue will be addressed with kit Kat update, but seeing as I go to only a few concerts a year it's by no means a deal breaker. Like someone said earlier, you have 14 days to play with it. If it doesn't fit with what you want in a phone then just take it back, but I have a feeling that you won't because this phone is a beast!
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hmm i think i really like the g flex now. considering im not someone who will try to compare the phone with 1080p displays, i think it should be a good fit. I use my hp envy x2 tablet/laptop all the time and its also 720p so the sharpness doesn't bother me. For the grainy party, i think i can turn the brightness way up coz of the long battery life someone i know has Note 2 and ive had it in my hands a couple of times and i dont find it bulky or uncomfortable but the g flex is still at 6 inches. do u think if im comfortable with note 2, then g flex shouldn't also be a problem, in terms of handling it etc? as u guys mentioned, ghosting isnt a deal breaker for any of you and it happpens for 1 seconds only so i think i can live with it?
I have had mine for two weeks now.
1. Screen Quality - Its 720 display, if you are coming from an older phone, you won't notice a "lack" of 1080p. Further, the curved screen does work out better for viewing angles. The "grainyness" is not a problem. As noted in many reviews, if you hold the Note 3 and the Flex side by side, you will see a difference, but the quality is not necessarily better.
2. Ghosting not an issue for me. Is it there? Sometimes, is it a problem... no.
3. Screen bumps - As another poster stated, don't do bending tricks with your phone and you won't see these bumps. I haven't seen any yet.
4. Back - Really? Who with a 600 dollar phone doesn't put it immediately in a $50 dollar case? You can't even see the back. That being said, if you carry it bare, it really is very thin with a very well designed back material. It fits very well in your front pocket.
5. Breaking is only an issue if you have an issue breaking phones.
6. Usability is really dependent on the size of your hand. I have smaller hands, so I find myself using it two handed (I bought it for data rather than phone calls), and for phone calls I use bluetooth. The one time I held it to my head, it did feel odd, but not any more odd then a 4.7" phone. I really hate hot glass on my face. You really have to just try it out, I think people can get used to anything if they want to.
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I'm coming from an older HTC One X, and I've vowed to get a phone with better battery life.
I've narrowed things down to either the LG G Flex, or the G2.
I'd no doubt go for the Flex, but I use my phone as my main shooter, and the lack of IPS is kind of blah.
Anyone here owned both phones?
How does the stock battery life compare on the two for you? Is the Flex head and shoulders above it?
Do you notice lack of IPS on the flex vs your G2 shots?
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I'm coming from an older HTC One X, and I've vowed to get a phone with better battery life.
I've narrowed things down to either the LG G Flex, or the G2.
I'd no doubt go for the Flex, but I use my phone as my main shooter, and the lack of IPS is kind of blah.
Anyone here owned both phones?
How does the stock battery life compare on the two for you? Is the Flex head and shoulders above it?
Do you notice lack of IPS on the flex vs your G2 shots?
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i own 2 LG G2 phones and i just got me the G-Flex today.
g flex in my opinion is way smoother so far than the g2. about a month or 2 after i had my g2 i was over it. the screen just seems to shrink on you. i need bigger screens for my big fingers. doing a test of battery at 80% screen brightness right now right out of the box. will run at 80% also after the first charge. i will take screenshots after the first charge and post here.
the g2 on 60% sb i got around 4-4.50 hours. not too bad with 41hrs uptime.
gflex is supposed to be near the 6-8hr mark at full brightness but we'll see about that.
if you go for one of the 2 and dont care of screen size get the flex.
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I'm coming from an older HTC One X, and I've vowed to get a phone with better battery life.
I've narrowed things down to either the LG G Flex, or the G2.
I'd no doubt go for the Flex, but I use my phone as my main shooter, and the lack of IPS is kind of blah.
Anyone here owned both phones?
How does the stock battery life compare on the two for you? Is the Flex head and shoulders above it?
Do you notice lack of IPS on the flex vs your G2 shots?
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I have owned both, I had the G2 for a few months then switched to the G Flex, I can say that the battery life is a lot better on the G Flex, but for some reason surfing the web kills the batter way quicker than anything else. But I did just get the new kit kat update for it today so I'll have to see if that changed, they did say there was a battery boost as well as a performance boost, so that will have to be checked out.
Honestly I like the full RGB screen on the G Flex, the colors just pop, and pictures are a bit warmer because of the full size red sub-pixel but I like that, makes things more vibrant.
And because the screen is so large I tend to hold it a little further from my face, with the G2 I held it about 6-7 inches from my face, and the G Flex I hold it about a foot or more just because of the screen size, so things blend more.
Also the G Flex seems a bit snappier than the G2, probably because of the screen resolution, you need less processing power to run a lower resolution screen so it really does help.
But in the end they are 2 really great phones and I don't think you will be unhappy with either of them, so happy hunting!
in the end I just wanted the bigger screen of the flex
not regretting it so far thanks for the help guys
Wife and one stepdaughter have the G2's and are great phones, good battery life, awesome screen and the perfect size for a phone.
I went with the Flex due to the size as I am a media Monger and loved the curved aspect. Also wasn't that put off by the 720 screen, which can help attest for the stellar battery life in the Flex. It Truely is amazing!
I will say after a couple months, the size is getting to me. It's barely pocketable as I have a case on all my phones. Also the curve wore off real quick, hardly notice it anymore.
Going to seriously check out the G3 as I really like LG'S software. I am sure it will get good enough battery life and should be much more pocket friendly.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the Flex, just wish it was a little smaller. I say this coming from a N2 as well and makes that phone feel small, lol!
If battery is your main reason and can deal with the size and lower resolution screen, the Flex is for you.
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JesseMT4G said:
Wife and one stepdaughter have the G2's and are great phones, good battery life, awesome screen and the perfect size for a phone.
I went with the Flex due to the size as I am a media Monger and loved the curved aspect. Also wasn't that put off by the 720 screen, which can help attest for the stellar battery life in the Flex. It Truely is amazing!
I will say after a couple months, the size is getting to me. It's barely pocketable as I have a case on all my phones. Also the curve wore off real quick, hardly notice it anymore.
Going to seriously check out the G3 as I really like LG'S software. I am sure it will get good enough battery life and should be much more pocket friendly.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the Flex, just wish it was a little smaller. I say this coming from a N2 as well and makes that phone feel small, lol!
If battery is your main reason and can deal with the size and lower resolution screen, the Flex is for you.
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I have never put phones in my pocket if it doesnt have an otterbox or ballistic holster case i usually wont purchase it. I love the g flex way more than my g2. Battery life screen size snappiness,curve, everything about this phone is awesome. If you are selling for te g3 please pm me i am interested
Well, not everyone rocks a belt holster from the 90's
Not selling it, I am on the jump program and would have to sell the phone at basically wholesale, so not worth it for you I am sure. Only had the phone a couple months, heck haven't even made a jump payment on it yet, haha!
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Well, not everyone rocks a belt holster from the 90's
Not selling it, I am on the jump program and would have to sell the phone at basically wholesale, so not worth it for you I am sure. Only had the phone a couple months, heck haven't even made a jump payment on it yet, haha!
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Thats true....
Holster clips,even though from my nokia 3390 days, are still more convenient for me than in my pocket. Especially with this phones size.
All i gotta say about this phone is that its friggin awesome. The 720p res. DOes not bother me at all.
A guy was gonna buy my g2 today but flaked out. Its a shame cause its only 4 months old.
I'm currently using a Moto X. One of my top priorities is in-hand ergonomics, and in this the Moto X is probably the best modern smartphone to date. However the battery life leaves a lot to be desired, as do the screen and camera. I've been following the Z3 Compact since it's release and realize the battery life and screen will be much better and the camera too, even if it has it's minor shortcomings.
How does the in-hand feel of the Z3C feel to the 2013 Moto X? It's a little bit smaller but much more squared-off shape.
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I'm currently using a Moto X. One of my top priorities is in-hand ergonomics, and in this the Moto X is probably the best modern smartphone to date. However the battery life leaves a lot to be desired, as do the screen and camera. I've been following the Z3 Compact since it's release and realize the battery life and screen will be much better and the camera too, even if it has it's minor shortcomings.
How does the in-hand feel of the Z3C feel to the 2013 Moto X? It's a little bit smaller but much more squared-off shape.
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If you're concerned about comfort compared to the Moto x it doesn't even come close. I used to own a Moto X. And with that said it was worth the switch for me. If you don't mind not getting updates as fast as Moto and not at all too concerned about the comfort in hand. Then you should consider buying it. For me what made the switch worth it was the battery life and small form factor. As every other flagship now is in the 5 inch range.
Coming from a Moto x, I like my new z3c, but wouldn't do it again. Great battery life, but the LCD screen is inferior to the oled, and the camera is par at best.
On the other hand, it does offer an sd card slot, and did I mention the great battery....
I've had the Moto X before and really no phone is as well designed ergonomically. From the material and finish, which promote grip and a pleasant soft touch, to the subtle curvatures which were thoughtfully and meaningfully conceived for human hands, the Moto X is the cream of the crop in that regard.
The HTC Ones and supposedly iPhones may be lauded for their quality builds, but honestly those devices do not feel very natural nor at all secure in the hand. They may look pretty (debatable), but are far inferior when it comes to hand feel and everyday usage.
Similarly, the Z3 Compact is a pretty phone, but the boxy, squared off design does not offer the same satisfaction as the Moto X. However, the small size does make up for that deficiency and the more rounded plastic edges which are slightly rubberized are a massive improvement over the Z/Z1/Z2/Z3's borders, not to mention the translucent liquid reflection effect is sexy as hell.
That said, I would pick the Z3 Compact over the Moto X in a heartbeat, it's simply no contest. As mentioned a million times, the battery is just ridiculous, the camera is a huge improvement and just as capable as other flagships once you learn how to use manual mode. The speakers? Fuggetaboutit. It holds its own against everything that isn't BoomSound or the full sized Z3. I can't emphasize enough how much I love front-facing, let alone dual speakers. Any manufacturer that stubbornly still positions them on the back needs to fire their designer. Depending on your preference, the screen is better too. I did enjoy super amoled, but I feel the Z3C is better, not to mention the Bravia Engine gives you the option of simulating the vivid colors of a super amoled screen. The blacks still aren't as black, but they're some of the blackest I've seen on an LCD display.
Finally, in virtually every other aspect that matters other than design, the Z3C is the winner so it wasn't a hard choice for me at all and I REALLY liked the Moto X.
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I'm currently using a Moto X. One of my top priorities is in-hand ergonomics, and in this the Moto X is probably the best modern smartphone to date. However the battery life leaves a lot to be desired, as do the screen and camera. I've been following the Z3 Compact since it's release and realize the battery life and screen will be much better and the camera too, even if it has it's minor shortcomings.
How does the in-hand feel of the Z3C feel to the 2013 Moto X? It's a little bit smaller but much more squared-off shape.
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i used to have moto x 1st gen.. then a galaxy s5 and then z3 compact. The inhand feel of moto x is way better than z3 compact. Display wise i prefer moto x super amoled to z3 compact. I can see pixels on z3c and black levels are worse. Camera is a bit better in z3 compact. Personally i prefer galaxy s5 camera superior to this. But battery life is really good and performance too.. Updates are slow though.. So if you really want a better display and better inhand feel this is not for you. If you want slightly better camera, good battery life and good performance and dont bother about updates then jump on z3c
I'm surprised so many people say that they prefer the Moto X's display. That was a real turn-off for me on the Moto X after coming from a HTC One X. I'm not saying I'm against the OLED display (love the displays on the GS5 and Galaxy Tab S), but the color reproduction just wasn't there for me, and the pentile pattern was noticeable to my eyes.
But other than that, I agree with the others: Moto X's ergonomics are better, but the battery life (x1000), camera, and performance heavily favor the Z3C.
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I'm surprised so many people say that they prefer the Moto X's display. That was a real turn-off for me on the Moto X after coming from a HTC One X. I'm not saying I'm against the OLED display (love the displays on the GS5 and Galaxy Tab S), but the color reproduction just wasn't there for me, and the pentile pattern was noticeable to my eyes.
But other than that, I agree with the others: Moto X's ergonomics are better, but the battery life (x1000), camera, and performance heavily favor the Z3C.
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I am surprised that you mentioned pentile pattern considering that the Moto X uses the RGB stripe layout and not the RGBG pentile. If there was anything to comment on the Moto X: its' colors were definitely warmer in whites compared to traditional IPS LCD(which most LCD panels are based on now.)
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I am surprised that you mentioned pentile pattern considering that the Moto X uses the RGB stripe layout and not the RGBG pentile. If there was anything to comment on the Moto X: its' colors were definitely warmer in whites compared to traditional IPS LCD(which most LCD panels are based on now.)
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You're absolutely right, my mistake. Still, I couldn't stand the colors on the Moto X, and text never looked sharp, hence why I thought the display was pentile. I have no issue with sharpness on the Z3C even with the same resolution and display size.
I had a Z1C (water damaged ) then a Moto X 2013 and now the Z3C. I can say I much prefer the Z's for a couple of reasons. Performance and battery are far better on either Z compared to the X. Build and part quality of Z is also superior IMO. X scratched like butter, feel is cheaper, and internals (except dual antenae) were underwhelming. Useability goes to X since it is lower cost and has less glass I was fearless with it. Z is a case and screen cover kind of phone. Ergonomics are obviously the X as holding a square brick made of glass is not the most comfortable. Software goes to X but with a ROM, root, etc you can level the playing field. I bought mine from Amazon and it came riddled with crap carrier software. Flashing a cleaner FTF and 'pm block' was enough for me. I also prefer some of the touches Sony adds over Moto. Always on voice is cool for 5 minutes but didn't stick for me but usibility gestures from Sony work for me. Storage is not a concern since I try to keep very little on my device, but external SD is always a down side to me. I hate having to manually switch/place files in the right location. I've also had several SD go bad over the years but never once internal storage.
Just my 2¢
Loved my 2013 Moto X for it's feel in hand and notification features while the screen is off, never had a phone feel that perfect to hold.
Now the Z3 Compact does not feel as good to hold but given it's compact size it still feels really good. It has a physical camera button and the camera is FAR superior to the Moto X in all conditions, using manual modes you can get outstanding results IMO. Sound might not be as loud overall but since the speakers face you you arent forced to cup your hand to direct the sound to hear it. The display is better imo, you can fine tune it yourself and outside I can actually use the phone in bright sunlight. Performance and battery are vastly improved over the Moto X, the battery life still amazes me from such a small phone. Software is very close to stock and I actually like the Sony tweaks they have done.
Install AC DIsplay app for lockscreen functions like the Moto X and Agent app, NOT regretting buying this phone at all. Sure I would like root with the chance to back up my DRM keys someday but honestly this is my first phone without root and I'm OK with that.
hello brothers
i just wanna ask if any one had tried lg v10 and nexus 6p??
i wanna to try them
i really wish some one tell me his honest opinion
i have note 5 too
rowihel2012 said:
hello brothers
i just wanna ask if any one had tried lg v10 and nexus 6p??
i wanna to try them
i really wish some one tell me his honest opinion
i have note 5 too
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Alright, here are some of my thoughts on the phones :
I've had the 6P for about a month. Sending it back actually.
It is taller than the Note, and heavier. The metal feels nice, and the stereo speakers are awesome, not quite as good as a Moto X, but close. The Note's speaker is actually pretty decent as well, it will just be firing off to the side rather than towards you like the Nexus, but its not dramatically worse or anything. Battery life was comparable to what I see from the Note, some days better, some days worse. The UI is blazing fast, more importantly it is consistently fast, without the occasional judders you might see on the Note, especially when scrolling. It is running stock android, well Google's idea of "stock". So there aren't as many features as Samsung likes to put in, no multitasking like the Note, and obviously no s-pen.
The camera is fantastic, especially with HDR+ on, but it really suffers from the lack of OIS in 4K video. In 1080p, it has EIS, which does a decent job. I noticed it tends to capture more light than the Note 5 in low light videos, but it will be a bit more noisy. The Note tends to over expose a bit to get more light in some shots causing some bright lights to be blown out, while the 6P will do a bit better job. However I did notice in most shots, the 6P sort of under expose, and you get an overall dark shot, sometimes it is darker with HDR+. That may be fixed with an update. The Note produces warmer images in my opinion, while the 6P leans toward a slightly cooler temperature. Obviously, the camera app on the 6P is pretty simple and straight forward, but does not offer the many modes and manual controls you find on the Note. Third party apps can help with that. Overall, as far as the camera is concerned, I prefer the Note. It has slightly softer details and warmer colors than the 6P and just looks more pleasing to my eyes, not to mention, the Note is very quick in opening and capturing the images. Double clicking the power button opens the camera, so that works fine.
Front facing camera on the 6P is pretty great. Didn't use it all that much though.
Display is slightly better on the Note, but if you set it to AMOLED photo, it looks pretty much the same as the 6P. A very nice panel on the 6P, really.
I seemed to have slightly better cell reception with the 6P as well on T-Mobile.
Finger print sensor is far quicker and more accurate on the 6P, but it is on the back. Makes it a bit difficult to use when placing the phone face up on a surface. On the other hand, it is really easy to unlock while taking it out of your pocket.
No wireless charging on the 6P, but it does support faster charging speeds with USB C's power profiles (5V @ 3A) and a USB C charger. Usually took about 90 minutes to charge from empty to full.
The Nexus 6P is a fantastic phone, but in the end, I missed the added features of the Note, especially the s-pen. If you really don't care for the extras that Samsung adds and don't really care about super stabilized 4k video recording or manual controls on the camera, etc., then the 6P is great choice. Being a Nexus, you will get timely updates as well. My 6P was already on 6.0.1. If you are keen on trying stock android, this is a good phone to do so.
As for the V10, I had one for about a day, so I can't really say too much about it It's built like a tank. The camera is fantastic like the G4. Removable back and expandable storage always a plus. The second screen is kind of useful I suppose, but I didn't have it long enough to really tell. I really didn't like LG's skin though and it seemed like the dpi was set by default to a value where everything (UI elements, etc.) are just hideously big... You can change the font size, but the UI elements will still stay just as big...
The V10 is basically a beefed up G4. If you loved the G4, you will love the V10.
I traded in my Note 5 for the V10. I have had it about 2 weeks thus far. I can speak freely and say that as far as daily operations with the device, I do like the note 5 much more. The Note 5 is faster, I feel the display looked much better, and I prefer the finger print reader on the front. The non-removable battery and lack of SD card just made me feel like my Note was long no longer a power user's device, just a Samsung iPhone. The V10 as far as operation is more in the Note 4 category, but with a Note 5 camera.
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Alright, here are some of my thoughts on the phones :
I've had the 6P for about a month. Sending it back actually.
It is taller than the Note, and heavier. The metal feels nice, and the stereo speakers are awesome, not quite as good as a Moto X, but close. The Note's speaker is actually pretty decent as well, it will just be firing off to the side rather than towards you like the Nexus, but its not dramatically worse or anything. Battery life was comparable to what I see from the Note, some days better, some days worse. The UI is blazing fast, more importantly it is consistently fast, without the occasional judders you might see on the Note, especially when scrolling. It is running stock android, well Google's idea of "stock". So there aren't as many features as Samsung likes to put in, no multitasking like the Note, and obviously no s-pen.
The camera is fantastic, especially with HDR+ on, but it really suffers from the lack of OIS in 4K video. In 1080p, it has EIS, which does a decent job. I noticed it tends to capture more light than the Note 5 in low light videos, but it will be a bit more noisy. The Note tends to over expose a bit to get more light in some shots causing some bright lights to be blown out, while the 6P will do a bit better job. However I did notice in most shots, the 6P sort of under expose, and you get an overall dark shot, sometimes it is darker with HDR+. That may be fixed with an update. The Note produces warmer images in my opinion, while the 6P leans toward a slightly cooler temperature. Obviously, the camera app on the 6P is pretty simple and straight forward, but does not offer the many modes and manual controls you find on the Note. Third party apps can help with that. Overall, as far as the camera is concerned, I prefer the Note. It has slightly softer details and warmer colors than the 6P and just looks more pleasing to my eyes, not to mention, the Note is very quick in opening and capturing the images. Double clicking the power button opens the camera, so that works fine.
Front facing camera on the 6P is pretty great. Didn't use it all that much though.
Display is slightly better on the Note, but if you set it to AMOLED photo, it looks pretty much the same as the 6P. A very nice panel on the 6P, really.
I seemed to have slightly better cell reception with the 6P as well on T-Mobile.
Finger print sensor is far quicker and more accurate on the 6P, but it is on the back. Makes it a bit difficult to use when placing the phone face up on a surface. On the other hand, it is really easy to unlock while taking it out of your pocket.
No wireless charging on the 6P, but it does support faster charging speeds with USB C's power profiles (5V @ 3A) and a USB C charger. Usually took about 90 minutes to charge from empty to full.
The Nexus 6P is a fantastic phone, but in the end, I missed the added features of the Note, especially the s-pen. If you really don't care for the extras that Samsung adds and don't really care about super stabilized 4k video recording or manual controls on the camera, etc., then the 6P is great choice. Being a Nexus, you will get timely updates as well. My 6P was already on 6.0.1. If you are keen on trying stock android, this is a good phone to do so.
As for the V10, I had one for about a day, so I can't really say too much about it It's built like a tank. The camera is fantastic like the G4. Removable back and expandable storage always a plus. The second screen is kind of useful I suppose, but I didn't have it long enough to really tell. I really didn't like LG's skin though and it seemed like the dpi was set by default to a value where everything (UI elements, etc.) are just hideously big... You can change the font size, but the UI elements will still stay just as big...
The V10 is basically a beefed up G4. If you loved the G4, you will love the V10.
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thank you bro for your great words
i had the lg pro 2 and it was fantastic phone
never had nexus phone before
i am very confused should i buy nexus 6p or lg v10
with my note 5 i love the speed and smooth
so lg v10 is fast and smooth or not?
nexus 6p fast and smooth?
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I traded in my Note 5 for the V10. I have had it about 2 weeks thus far. I can speak freely and say that as far as daily operations with the device, I do like the note 5 much more. The Note 5 is faster, I feel the display looked much better, and I prefer the finger print reader on the front. The non-removable battery and lack of SD card just made me feel like my Note was long no longer a power user's device, just a Samsung iPhone. The V10 as far as operation is more in the Note 4 category, but with a Note 5 camera.
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what? like note4?
the note 4 is laggy not smooth at all and gets too hot
lg v10 is like this ****?
Perhaps I just ran a great custom rom on my Note 4, but I didn't have any issues with lag or heat. Not having any issues with those on the v10 either. It's not quite as fluid as the Note 5 to me though.
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I have both.
N6p pros
Fast (damn fast)
Body construction
Screen it is awesome
Speaker are loud and clear
Battery is great
Cons
Lack of OIS
Slippery
V10 pros
Camera (front and back)
Built quality
Second screen is useful
Cons
HDR is to much
Lag, a lot of (compared to N6p)
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I had the v10 for a bit, it was nice but has nothing on the Note 5. The 6p is nice, my buddy has it so I play with it all the time. I still think the Note 5 is better. My complaint about the 6p is that the UX is no different that smaller phones, just blown up. Google did nothing to take advantage of the larger screen. The Note 5 is a true phablet, the 6p is just a blown up smartphone. Note 5 all the way.