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Get a Moto X on AT&T or T-Mobile?

Basically my old Sensation is screaming die and I have my eyes on the Moto X, but I can't decide if I should wait and stick with T-Mobile or switch to AT&T. Main things I'm considering:
I would like to use Moto Maker, which AT&T has for at least 2 months (according to rumors).
T-Mobile should be getting the black or white versions "soon."
T-Mobile's plans are $10-20 per month cheaper for my situation, assuming current cost estimates of the Moto X.
T-Mobile might have less bloatware (no carrier branding in the notification area).
I guess what it really comes down to: Is AT&T's network/user experience that much better than T-Mobile's to justify the increased cost, bloatware, and exclusive customization? While the weight of Moto Maker is definitely a personal thing, please let me know your thoughts on the difference in the networks? Having only used a smartphone the T-mobile network, I just don't know if there would even be a discernible difference.
Thanks! :good:

felisen said:
Basically my old Sensation is screaming die and I have my eyes on the Moto X, but I can't decide if I should wait and stick with T-Mobile or switch to AT&T. Main things I'm considering:
I would like to use Moto Maker, which AT&T has for at least 2 months (according to rumors).
T-Mobile should be getting the black or white versions "soon."
T-Mobile's plans are $10-20 per month cheaper for my situation, assuming current cost estimates of the Moto X.
T-Mobile might have less bloatware (no carrier branding in the notification area).
I guess what it really comes down to: Is AT&T's network/user experience that much better than T-Mobile's to justify the increased cost, bloatware, and exclusive customization? While the weight of Moto Maker is definitely a personal thing, please let me know your thoughts on the difference in the networks? Having only used a smartphone the T-mobile network, I just don't know if there would even be a discernible difference.
Thanks! :good:
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It will vary from city to city, but unless I was really strapped for cash, I'd pay $10 extra for AT&T. Here in DC, I'm always on LTE on ATT, but on T-Mobile I'd say I saw edge at least a couple of times per week.
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There is surprisingly little bloatware on the at&t model.
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linuxgator said:
There is surprisingly little bloatware on the at&t model.
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Good to know thanks! I guess my only worries with respect to the bloatware is the AT&T logo in the notification area and something about an app that constantly popups asking to use it when calling someone (or something like that, it may have just been speculation I read).

I was going to start a new topic, but this forum is essentially the subject I wanted to ask about:
I'm thinking about getting the T-Mobile version of the Moto X because from everything I've read in these forums it's a bloatware-free device and has an unlocked SIM and (maybe) an unlockable bootloader.
I'd get the device to use on AT&T. What are the disadvantages of doing this (if any)?
-It sounds like there could be issues activating? Should I count on any such issues being surmountable?
-Will I receive over-the-air software updates?
-Will signal strength be in any way impacted?
-Will I have all the frequencies I need? I saw someone write that the T-Mobile version supports LTE bands 4 , 12 , 17 and the AT&T version supports bands 2, 4, 5, 17. It seems like in the USA AT&T only uses 4 and 17?
-What about 3G and voice signals?
-Using the phone overseas, say, Europe?
-Will any of this affect battery life compared with just using an AT&T phone on the AT&T network?
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
Lastly, people have said that the AT&T version of the phone is not bad in terms of bloatware. Does anyone think it makes more sense to just get the AT&T version of the phone?
That's a lot of questions. Any insight into any of them will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

This might help you guys to decide:
The reason T-Mobile users need to get this model is because it's the only Moto X which supports T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42 network on the AWS band. The AT&T-compatible Moto X supports T-Mobile's LTE, but not the HSPA band, which means that if you fall off of LTE you'll be in T-Mobile's much more limited, slower 1900MHz HSPA+ 21 coverage.

likeybikey said:
I was going to start a new topic, but this forum is essentially the subject I wanted to ask about:
I'm thinking about getting the T-Mobile version of the Moto X because from everything I've read in these forums it's a bloatware-free device and has an unlocked SIM and (maybe) an unlockable bootloader.
I'd get the device to use on AT&T. What are the disadvantages of doing this (if any)?
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Okay, I'll answer what I can here. I just got my tmo Moto X from the recent discount and I have lines with both T-Mobile and AT&T.
-It sounds like there could be issues activating? Should I count on any such issues being surmountable?
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I had no issues swapping either operator's SIM into my phone. It was SIM unlocked out of the box and the AT&T SIM worked great--native tethering even worked without a mod (sadly still see no solution for native tmo tethering).
-Will I receive over-the-air software updates?
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I would expect you to receive the same OTA updates as anyone running a tmo Moto X regardless of the att SIM.
-Will signal strength be in any way impacted?
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No. Many AT&T devices display more bars for a given signal strength than the same device on other operators (i.e. AT&T falsely makes signal look better than it is); I don't know if the AT&T Moto X does that or not, but it's just a display thing and not an actual difference.
-Will I have all the frequencies I need? I saw someone write that the T-Mobile version supports LTE bands 4 , 12 , 17 and the AT&T version supports bands 2, 4, 5, 17. It seems like in the USA AT&T only uses 4 and 17?
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My understanding is that those frequencies are correct. I get LTE on both operators just fine.
-What about 3G and voice signals?
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I haven't had any issues with either. Your frequency bands are all covered for everything AT&T does here in the US.
-Using the phone overseas, say, Europe?
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The AT&T version may be more likely to get LTE there--I am not familiar with the LTE bands used in Europe--but neither will have trouble attaching to the various European 3G networks (assuming you somehow convince AT&T to give you a SIM unlock code, or pay for one). Also if you include Canada in your calculations, a number of their networks will benefit from HSPA over AWS.
-Will any of this affect battery life compared with just using an AT&T phone on the AT&T network?
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It shouldn't.
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
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Yes, Motorola's warranty. As for other stuff, you'd have to ask SquareTrade (or whoever) to be sure, but I don't really see how unlocking the bootloader would make them reluctant to replace your cracked-glass phone.
Lastly, people have said that the AT&T version of the phone is not bad in terms of bloatware. Does anyone think it makes more sense to just get the AT&T version of the phone?
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If you're buying unlocked anyway, I think the tmo version is an easy choice unless you desperately need a new nano-SIM (though I think AT&T will give you one for free if you drop by a store). The bloatware may not be that bad on the AT&T version, but you have to use some awkward hacks to get system r/w and the like. Of course if you're willing to do that, then you can kill the bloatware anyway.

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No. Many AT&T devices display more bars for a given signal strength than the same device on other operators (i.e. AT&T falsely makes signal look better than it is); I don't know if the AT&T Moto X does that or not, but it's just a display thing and not an actual difference.
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Funny you should mention that. The AT&T 4.4 build has 5 bars to display the cellular signal strength, the tmobile 4.4 build only has 4. It is quite odd they are not the same, wonder who wanted something different...

Steve-x said:
Funny you should mention that. The AT&T 4.4 build has 5 bars to display the cellular signal strength, the tmobile 4.4 build only has 4. It is quite odd they are not the same, wonder who wanted something different...
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I believe AT&T using five bars vs. T-Mobile's four predates their cheating on signal strength, but I could be wrong. I've only been a T-Mobile customer for about a year (and have now almost entirely phased out AT&T, woohoo!).
The lesson is that signal bars are misleading at best, meaningless and confounding at worst. Check the numeric signal strength if you're interested in knowing how good your signal really is.

Super-awesome reply! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. It really helps my decision process (I'm feeling emboldened to go for the T-Mobile version), and I'm sure this will help others as well. Thanks again!
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Okay, I'll answer what I can here. I just got my tmo Moto X from the recent discount and I have lines with both T-Mobile and AT&T.
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As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
So instead, I'll give you a quick recap:
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has absolutely no branding that I can find. Literally the only T-Mobile symbol I could find on the phone (software or hardware) was inside of it, on the T-Mobile Nano-SIM card.
- [From what I've read: motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215/] The T-Mobile version is essentially the developer's edition without the additional warranty coverage for unlocking your bootloader.
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has almost the same frequency bands as the AT&T version (except it also supports the HSDPA 1700 MHz band and doesn't support the LTE 850 MHz band)
Copied from GSMArena: gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_x-5601.php
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint​3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint​4G Network
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint​
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My Moto X usage:
I'm a former AT&T customer, having recently switched to Straight Talk through their BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone) program. I was still using the Motorola Atrix with a Mini-SIM card purchased from Straight Talk (the AT&T compatible one).
After receiving the $150 promo code and remembering the $100 old Motorola phones trade in program, it seemed like the right time to make the move and upgrade ($500 retail down to $250 after rebates/promotions). I placed my order on December 5th and was told it would arrive by the 10th (came on the 11th due to snow).
Once I got my Moto X, all I had to do was cut my Mini-SIM card down to a Nano-SIM card. Templates can be found here: airportal.de/nanosim/. Aside from the network cutting in and out (lasted for the first 10 minutes or so), I've had no problems since. I have access to 4G LTE and everything else seems to be working fine (haven't tried tethering yet).
In the end, I'd recommend the T-Mobile version just because there is no branding and it works fine on the AT&T network as well.

Thanks for adding to teiglin's reply! Good information for anyone interested in this phone!
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As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
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semaj1919 said:
As someone who just received his discounted Off-Contract T-Mobile Moto X, I have to recommend it. I got the $150 promotional discount and was curious myself as to which carrier version to buy. From all of the information gathered here on XDA, I made the choice to go with T-Mobile (and have no regrets, yet). I'd go into details on why I chose T-Mobile and such, but teiglin has already provided great (and accurate) answers to your questions.
So instead, I'll give you a quick recap:
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has absolutely no branding that I can find. Literally the only T-Mobile symbol I could find on the phone (software or hardware) was inside of it, on the T-Mobile Nano-SIM card.
- [From what I've read: motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215/] The T-Mobile version is essentially the developer's edition without the additional warranty coverage for unlocking your bootloader.
- The T-Mobile version of the Moto X has almost the same frequency bands as the AT&T version (except it also supports the HSDPA 1700 MHz band and doesn't support the LTE 850 MHz band)
My Moto X usage:
I'm a former AT&T customer, having recently switched to Straight Talk through their BYOP (Bring Your Own Phone) program. I was still using the Motorola Atrix with a Mini-SIM card purchased from Straight Talk (the AT&T compatible one).
After receiving the $150 promo code and remembering the $100 old Motorola phones trade in program, it seemed like the right time to make the move and upgrade ($500 retail down to $250 after rebates/promotions). I placed my order on December 5th and was told it would arrive by the 10th (came on the 11th due to snow).
Once I got my Moto X, all I had to do was cut my Mini-SIM card down to a Nano-SIM card. Templates can be found here: airportal.de/nanosim/. Aside from the network cutting in and out (lasted for the first 10 minutes or so), I've had no problems since. I have access to 4G LTE and everything else seems to be working fine (haven't tried tethering yet).
In the end, I'd recommend the T-Mobile version just because there is no branding and it works fine on the AT&T network as well.
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I got the TMO version for use on AT&T. No branding at all.
I went to the AT&T store and they put in a new sim. I'm getting perfect service though I only see the 4G at the top. Wondering if I should also be seeing 4GLTE? Is there something else I need to do to get LTE speeds? Or am I already getting them and just don't see it?

Look here in xda, you won't get lte unless ATT registers your Moto with an imei from another ATT Moto. I had the same issue. There's a post here in xda where you will see what I had to do and who helped me
Rocking the new Moto X
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likeybikey said:
-People have said that if you unlock the bootloader you void the warranty. Whose warranty--Motorola's? Would this include dropping the phone and breaking the glass? I was considering getting an extended warranty--would someone like SquareTrade care about an unlocked bootloader if physical damage occurred?
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I remember reading somewhere a chat between a potential customer and a Motorola rep. The rep said that unlocking it voids the entire warranty with Motorola, hardware included. So you would have to check with whoever else you could get the warranty with.
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nelsonccc said:
I got the TMO version for use on AT&T. No branding at all.
I went to the AT&T store and they put in a new sim. I'm getting perfect service though I only see the 4G at the top. Wondering if I should also be seeing 4GLTE? Is there something else I need to do to get LTE speeds? Or am I already getting them and just don't see it?
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Sorry for the late response. I actually had to check my phone a few times just to confirm my thoughts before posting them here. I can't really comment on 4G and 4G LTE for AT&T, because I have Straight Talk. But from what I've read, I believe Straight Talk piggy-backs on AT&T's network as is, so I'd imagine it'd have to be similar.
I've been noticing the 4G icon in the notification bar also indicates 'LTE', although not all the time. There are times where I also see only the 4G icon without the 'LTE' symbol, during which speed tests have been much slower. Can't confirm what r_diaz13 posted, and I don't know if what he's saying applies to people on Straight Talk's network.

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Look here in xda, you won't get lte unless ATT registers your Moto with an imei from another ATT Moto. I had the same issue. There's a post here in xda where you will see what I had to do and who helped me
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This is WRONG.
Totally NOT necessary to use an IMEI from a different LTE phone.
I just activated an XT1053 (the TMo version, which is SIM unlocked).
Put in an AT&T nano-sim card which I picked up from my AT&T company owned store.
Called in to activate the card -- but asked to talk to 2nd level support since I knew 1st level would NOT be able to help and likely tell me the same kind of dumb stuff I've seen posted about how to get the phone to work.
2nd level support was great -- and because I knew what I was talking about, it took less than 5 min to take care of what is necessary.
You will need to manually enter MMSC and MMS Proxy in the APN settings
MMSC should be:
-https://mmsc.mobile.att.net-
don't enter with the dash at front and back, the forum doesn't let you post what they think are links if you are new.
MMS proxy should be:
proxy.mobile.att.net
Just as an FYI -- these settings are BURIED (you cannot see them) on the AT&T version --
And these settings are NOT DOWNLOADED AUTOMATICALLY via SIM card (I thought they might be).
You can confirm whether you are getting LTE service not only by the indicator in the status bar up at the top with signal strength but by going into ABOUT PHONE from the Settings menu (scroll all the way down). Then in that menu, click on STATUS. Here you will scroll down and see the battery level, network signal strength and mobile network type.
If you are getting 4G only, it would should HSPA+.
If you are getting LTE, it will show LTE here.
Hope that helps.
I'm just a bit weary of seeing the wrong information on this and hope this helps others out. The TMo version works great on AT&T, you just have to enter the MMSC and MMS proxy manually and you should be good to go.

Did you have an LTE plan before? I'm telling you it is true. The xda member that helped me out is an att employee who works at a att store and he was the only one able to do it. He told me since I didn't have an lte plan before it wouldn't just pick up lte. ATT has to end other feature in the account. When I gave then the tmo imei, it shows up as gsm only, not lte.
So if you already have lte, you are good to go with just a simple sim swap. If you don't have lte already, you need to follow these steps. Nothing to do with APN settings or anything.
Rocking the new Moto X
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Did you have an LTE plan before? I'm telling you it is true. The xda member that helped me out is an att employee who works at a att store and he was the only one able to do it. He told me since I didn't have an lte plan before it wouldn't just pick up lte. ATT has to end other feature in the account. When I gave then the tmo imei, it shows up as gsm only, not lte.
So if you already have lte, you are good to go with just a simple sim swap. If you don't have lte already, you need to follow these steps. Nothing to do with APN settings or anything.
Rocking the new Moto X
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This is wrong information -- hopefully people here read through to get the accurate information.
I did NOT have an LTE plan before (I had a Moto Atrix 4G, which gave me HSPA+ service).
When I gave them the IMEI from the TMo Moto X I purchased, I asked them specifically, what does it show in your system?
2nd level support told me it was a non-ATT version of the Moto X -- totally accurate.
She then knew exactly what settings were needed (as I noted above in my post) to be entered. These settings are not shown anywhere on the AT&T version of the Moto X (again, I know because I have 3 of those that I unlocked).
To be clear to anyone else thinking of getting the TMo version of the Moto X. You do not need to lie and give them some other IMEI. You simply need to make sure you have those settings input into your phone. As soon as they were entered, my TMo XT1053 showed LTE service.
Please do not continue to give out wrong information -- this may have solved the problem for you (to give a different IMEI), but it is totally not necessary. I have seen people asking about how they are supposed to get an LTE IMEI to activate a nano sim card and get LTE service. It is not necessary on the TMo version (now Moto says this is the GSM unlocked version -- which is really more accurate because it has absolutely NO BRANDING and no other software from any provider -- and is exactly the same as the Dev Edition except for the fact that the Dev edition can be bootloader unlocked and retain its warranty).

I have the Dev Version (same as T-Mobile) running on Straight Talk with AT&T. Other than one small configuration issue in the phone settings LTE is working fine.

[Q] AT&T unlocked work on T-Mobile??

So I have been searching to see if all available T-Mobile bands are open and ready on the moto x for tmobile if I moto Make an AT&T version and then unlock?
I do not want edge so if HSPA and LTE are available then I am leaning towards this route. Anyone know for sure?

I bought an att moto x and unlocked it and using t-mobile from past 20 days and i am getting 4g LTE same as my previous iphone 5 did and signal strength i can say even better than iphone. I dont know about bands and stuff but LTE works on my end

AndreaCristiano said:
So I have been searching to see if all available T-Mobile bands are open and ready on the moto x for tmobile if I moto Make an AT&T version and then unlock?
I do not want edge so if HSPA and LTE are available then I am leaning towards this route. Anyone know for sure?
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If you customize through MotoMaker right now and buy the AT&T version off-contract, then you will default to T-Mobile Edge speeds wherever they haven't yet refarmed to the 1900MHz band, which their 4G (and also the same band AT&T uses). It doesn't have the 1700MHz band that T-mobile uses in conjunction with the 2100MHz band to deliver HSPA+ speeds wherever the refarm hasn't happened (which is a LOT of places as of right now). Save yourself the frustration and just buy the T-Mobile version from Motorola's website, which has support for T-Mobile Edge, HSPA+, and 4G. All your bases will be covered at that point. Plus it works on AT&T as well, so thats an added benefit.

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If you customize through MotoMaker right now and buy the AT&T version off-contract, then you will default to T-Mobile Edge speeds wherever they haven't yet refarmed to the 1900MHz band, which their 4G (and also the same band AT&T uses). It doesn't have the 1700MHz band that T-mobile uses in conjunction with the 2100MHz band to deliver HSPA+ speeds wherever the refarm hasn't happened (which is a LOT of places as of right now). Save yourself the frustration and just buy the T-Mobile version from Motorola's website, which has support for T-Mobile Edge, HSPA+, and 4G. All your bases will be covered at that point. Plus it works on AT&T as well, so thats an added benefit.
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This here is the correct answer.
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samarth1 said:
If you customize through MotoMaker right now and buy the AT&T version off-contract, then you will default to T-Mobile Edge speeds wherever they haven't yet refarmed to the 1900MHz band, which their 4G (and also the same band AT&T uses). It doesn't have the 1700MHz band that T-mobile uses in conjunction with the 2100MHz band to deliver HSPA+ speeds wherever the refarm hasn't happened (which is a LOT of places as of right now). Save yourself the frustration and just buy the T-Mobile version from Motorola's website, which has support for T-Mobile Edge, HSPA+, and 4G. All your bases will be covered at that point. Plus it works on AT&T as well, so thats an added benefit.
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Thank you this is what I assumed sad though because 600 for a plain black one feels a bit much

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Thank you this is what I assumed sad though because 600 for a plain black one feels a bit much
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Believe me, I felt the exact same way and ended up doing the MotoMaker Unlocked route; and now I'm waiting to ship it back and just get the T-Mobile one. It really isn't worth all the hassle for the customization in my opinion. Dropping from LTE to Edge is a huge pain

I was having this same LTE drop to edge thing and it sucks. I was aware that this would happen however and since I have an att moto x I'm switching to aio today. The LTE coverage here in Sacramento has too many holes in it. Gotta love no contract freedom!

raiderep said:
I was having this same LTE drop to edge thing and it sucks. I was aware that this would happen however and since I have an att moto x I'm switching to aio today. The LTE coverage here in Sacramento has too many holes in it. Gotta love no contract freedom!
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Thanks for this kind of response. I was just about to pull the trigger on dealing with an ATT motomaker on tmobile, but I think I can wait one more month.

Maratu said:
Thanks for this kind of response. I was just about to pull the trigger on dealing with an ATT motomaker on tmobile, but I think I can wait one more month.
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No worries, if you want to stay with T-Mobile then the wait is worth it, this phone is sweet!

raiderep said:
No worries, if you want to stay with T-Mobile then the wait is worth it, this phone is sweet!
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I actually already have it on Verizon. Took a long look at myself after paying full retail for it to keep my unlimited data, and decided that I'd had enough. It's on its way back now, and my trusty gnex will carry on it's last breath.

AndreaCristiano said:
Thank you this is what I assumed sad though because 600 for a plain black one feels a bit much
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Devilicus said:
Believe me, I felt the exact same way and ended up doing the MotoMaker Unlocked route; and now I'm waiting to ship it back and just get the T-Mobile one. It really isn't worth all the hassle for the customization in my opinion. Dropping from LTE to Edge is a huge pain
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raiderep said:
I was having this same LTE drop to edge thing and it sucks. I was aware that this would happen however and since I have an att moto x I'm switching to aio today. The LTE coverage here in Sacramento has too many holes in it. Gotta love no contract freedom!
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Maratu said:
Thanks for this kind of response. I was just about to pull the trigger on dealing with an ATT motomaker on tmobile, but I think I can wait one more month.
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I've got an unlocked AT&T MotoX on T-Mobile in Chicago, luckily the area downtown and surrounding the city are re-farmed 1900mhz or 4G LTE; guess I'm lucky so far because I haven't had really bad frustration dropping to edge.
Does anybody know if its confirmed when AT&T's exclusivity ends that T-Mobile will be able to have custom MotoMaker ability (in a month)?

haroonie said:
I've got an unlocked AT&T MotoX on T-Mobile in Chicago, luckily the area downtown and surrounding the city are re-farmed 1900mhz or 4G LTE; guess I'm lucky so far because I haven't had really bad frustration dropping to edge.
Does anybody know if its confirmed when AT&T's exclusivity ends that T-Mobile will be able to have custom MotoMaker ability (in a month)?
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See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45977175#post45977175

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See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45977175#post45977175
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If that's true, that sounds absolutely awesome.

samarth1 said:
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45977175#post45977175
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samarth1 said:
The wood backs and the custom engraving will be going live at that time as well, barring any unforeseen issues. They're actually already ready with the wood backs, but are taking their time to get it right so that when the floodgates open in November, they don't run into any issues. Verizon and Sprint are locked in for immediate MotoMaker availability. With the T-Mobile variant, since its the true unbranded & unlocked Moto X, Motorola will just be offering it as an option during the MotoMaker checkout.
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Sweet, thanks for that. A combo of the white with wood backing would be pretty sweet!

Importing Moto X to Europe

Hi,
does anyone of you imported Moto X to Europe? Did you have to pay import charges? Where did you order your Moto X? I was thinking of ebay.com, but I would like to pay not more than 600 USD, but with import charge it would be much more. Is there any internet shop that selling Moto X and it's not so expensive there?
Thanks for all your response.

Allso thinking about importing a Moto X. But with E-bay things get really expensive. Just plain white or black unlocked Moto X will set you back about 600 dollars incl shipping. Than you allso have to pay customs.

well I ordered yesterday a moto x from ebay. the phone was $549 + $20 shipping + $120 import fee.
total is $690 for an unlocked phone which is $40 more than the dev edition.
I don't really know if this price is okay-ish or if I've been robbed... fact is, this phone seems to have a good battery life and coming from a nexus 4 that can only be an improvement.

I think this phone is worth of its price
So ebay is the only way to order it and have it shipped to Europe?

Been having my eyes on the moto x since it became available in the US. My main concern though is not the price (although the import tax is way too expensive) but if the european carriers' LTE bands are supported by the x. Spending 600$ on a phone and not being able to get the 4G speeds is a setback...
I'm actually hoping for moto to produce an international version but probably just having way too high expectations...
I guess we are stuck with ebay at the moment and a big questionmark regarding LTE bands...

Mefa2 said:
So ebay is the only way to order it and have it shipped to Europe?
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amazon, motorola.com and cellular carrier

mainbord said:
amazon, motorola.com and cellular carrier
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Neither of them ships to Europe (maybe just amazon but there aren't interesting offers).
I also hopes for Google Play Edition, maybe that version will be available in Europe.

I think i saw a recap on the moto x Wikipedia page (the english one) that lists the 4g frequencies that the moto x can use. I think it covers pretty much every common bands.
(I'm one the phone so putting a link here is a bit of a hassle but it should be pretty easy to find)

I have imported a Rodgers moto x to the UK through family. Yes I did get import charges. It needs unlocking I did it through cellunlocker. All works fine.
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eliasf21 said:
Been having my eyes on the moto x since it became available in the US. My main concern though is not the price (although the import tax is way too expensive) but if the european carriers' LTE bands are supported by the x. Spending 600$ on a phone and not being able to get the 4G speeds is a setback...
I'm actually hoping for moto to produce an international version but probably just having way too high expectations...
I guess we are stuck with ebay at the moment and a big questionmark regarding LTE bands...
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I bought it from ebay unlocked/unnamed and it works perfect in Egypt (gsm) unfortunately we don't have LTE yet but H+ is really good.
Price on ebay dropped to something like us$ 490.

GR36 said:
I have imported a Rodgers moto x to the UK through family. Yes I did get import charges. It needs unlocking I did it through cellunlocker. All works fine.
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4G LTE speeds as well?
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bmallory said:
I think i saw a recap on the moto x Wikipedia page (the english one) that lists the 4g frequencies that the moto x can use. I think it covers pretty much every common bands.
(I'm one the phone so putting a link here is a bit of a hassle but it should be pretty easy to find)
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I think you are referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
The variants section state the bands.
I still don't think it'll work specifically in my country cause according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks I am on band 3 which is nowhere to be found on the previous link.

Just received it! Rooted, set locale to fr-CA (voice thing doesn't work with fr-FR). I don't have a nano sim yet, I'll try to trim down my existing sim... Either way the real nano sim is coming in the next couple of days.
Active notification is nice. Also, I don't know if this is because I'm mainly using it with USB plugged in but the screen also lights up when you grab the phone. No need to push the power button... It's actually quite nice : just grab the phone and unlock it and you're good to go.
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Moto X is a break trough
bmallory said:
Just received it! Rooted, set locale to fr-CA (voice thing doesn't work with fr-FR). I don't have a nano sim yet, I'll try to trim down my existing sim... Either way the real nano sim is coming in the next couple of days.
Active notification is nice. Also, I don't know if this is because I'm mainly using it with USB plugged in but the screen also lights up when you grab the phone. No need to push the power button... It's actually quite nice : just grab the phone and unlock it and you're good to go.
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Active display and toucheless controls are awesome, made life easy and fast, also camera initiation by double twisting hand, this phone is a break through and I'm trying to imagine what will be the next moto x generation.

Got my Moto X today in the UK..... it's AWESOME.... but off swappa like I did

kkhadr said:
I bought it from ebay unlocked/unnamed and it works perfect in Egypt (gsm) unfortunately we don't have LTE yet but H+ is really good.
Price on ebay dropped to something like us$ 490.
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Hi there,
Is there anyone that can confirm LTE on the moto x working in Europe (at dependable good speeds). Living in the Netherlands currently.
Going to the US for Christmas... would like to pick a moto x up (hopefully the wooden backs our then). Only thing that got me concerned is LTE compatibility. My google searches result in contradictive answers.
Motox should support LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 (... if someone could confirm this)
If only I would know someone used this phone successfully in the Netherlands (LTE .. 4G at expected speeds and dependable connectively)
thanks in advance!
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InTheAirTonight said:
Hi there,
Is there anyone that can confirm LTE on the moto x working in Europe (at dependable good speeds). Living in the Netherlands currently.
Going to the US for Christmas... would like to pick a moto x up (hopefully the wooden backs our then). Only thing that got me concerned is LTE compatibility. My google searches result in contradictive answers.
Motox should support LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 (... if someone could confirm this)
If only I would know someone used this phone successfully in the Netherlands (LTE .. 4G at expected speeds and dependable connectively)
thanks in advance!
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We could probably help you determine if it would work but you would need to tell us what band(s) your provider uses for LTE in the Netherlands.

Steve-x said:
We could probably help you determine if it would work but you would need to tell us what band(s) your provider uses for LTE in the Netherlands.
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providers I am willing to switch to are KPN, T-Mobile and Vodaphone (dutch providers)
wiki shows support for 800, 1800, 2600 (KPN alone supports 800)
again... google search results are contradictive. I believe it when I see it ; ) ... if someone confirms use in the larger cities I would be sold
thanks!

InTheAirTonight said:
providers I am willing to switch to are KPN, T-Mobile and Vodaphone (dutch providers)
wiki shows support for 800, 1800, 2600 (KPN alone supports 800)
again... google search results are contradictive. I believe it when I see it ; ) ... if someone confirms use in the larger cities I would be sold
thanks!
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I don't think you will see LTE support on the 800 or 1800 mhz frequencies used internationally, however 2600 Mhz is officially supported by the Rogers XT1058 Moto X. If you want to verify you need to look to see if the provider uses "band 7 LTE"
If they do then your best bet is a Rogers Moto X, they can be sim unlocked for 8 dollars or less and Motorola allows bootloader unlocking. There is no branding on the hardware or in the software which is nice. The only disadvantage is they are 16gb only and woven black/white only. I will probably be listing one on ebay or swappa soon myself as I have two of them.

Steve-x said:
I don't think you will see LTE support on the 800 or 1800 mhz frequencies used internationally, however 2600 Mhz is officially supported by the Rogers XT1058 Moto X. If you want to verify you need to look to see if the provider uses "band 7 LTE"
If they do then your best bet is a Rogers Moto X, they can be sim unlocked for 8 dollars or less and Motorola allows bootloader unlocking. There is no branding on the hardware or in the software which is nice. The only disadvantage is they are 16gb only and woven black/white only. I will probably be listing one on ebay or swappa soon myself as I have two of them.
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Thanks for the quick response Steve-x
Pardon me for asking. Hope the following is not a dumb questions, but what is a Rogers Moto x? Is this a brand? or is it just a reference to a rooted device? How can I tell a xt1058 model apart from others? (I would really prefer picking a one up when I am in the US next week)
kind of need at least 32gigs... no sd card slot on this thing. However, compromises can not be avoided sometimes.

InTheAirTonight said:
Thanks for the quick response Steve-x
Pardon me for asking. Hope the following is not a dumb questions, but what is a Rogers Moto x? Is this a brand? or is it just a reference to a rooted device? How can I tell a xt1058 model apart from others? (I would really prefer picking a one up when I am in the US next week)
kind of need at least 32gigs... no sd card slot on this thing. However, compromises can not be avoided sometimes.
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Not a dumb question at all. Rogers is a mobile phone provider in Canada, they sell the XT1058 version of the Moto X in woven black or white, 16gb only. They are simlocked when new but can be unlocked for 8 dollars or less and they have 2600 mhz band 7 LTE enabled.(this band isn't used in the US) Motorola also allows this version of the Moto X to have the bootloader unlocked which allows for easy rooting and you can flash images from other providers. I am using one myself with a different provider in Canada with the retail version 4.4 installed. There are also no provider logos on the back of the phone which is nice.

[Q] Moto x compatibility in UAE

Hey,
Guys need your urgent help.
I love this phone and have been waiting to buy it for a long time. I prefer the customized version from Moto Maker that is available in US only and not in other countries. My friend is due to travel from US to Dubai by end of this month and I can finally get my hands on the customized version.
Before continuing please bear that my knowledge on this subject is very new.
I have few concerns. I live in UAE where the freq bands by the network provider are 900&1800 Mhz for GSM, 2100 Mhz UMTS, and LTE 3&7 (1800& 2600 Mhz). My concerns are:
1. I doubt the 4G will work. I think Moto x supports a different band for LTE/4G than the one supported by network providers in UAE. So the 4g will not work for Moto X in Dubai correct?
2. If 4G does not work, will the Moto x function with the 3G service provided by network providers here?
I dont know if I understand this topic thoroughly, so let me put my concern in very layman terms - Will a Moto X bought from the Moto Maker store in US, work with UAE network providers 3G service?
I dont want to end up spending 400$ for a phone that wont function fast enough; problem is I want a wooden finish customized phone - one which isnt available in UAE.
Please please help soon!

deepak.motox said:
Hey,
Guys need your urgent help.
I love this phone and have been waiting to buy it for a long time. I prefer the customized version from Moto Maker that is available in US only and not in other countries. My friend is due to travel from US to Dubai by end of this month and I can finally get my hands on the customized version.
Before continuing please bear that my knowledge on this subject is very new.
I have few concerns. I live in UAE where the freq bands by the network provider are 900&1800 Mhz for GSM, 2100 Mhz UMTS, and LTE 3&7 (1800& 2600 Mhz). My concerns are:
1. I doubt the 4G will work. I think Moto x supports a different band for LTE/4G than the one supported by network providers in UAE. So the 4g will not work for Moto X in Dubai correct?
2. If 4G does not work, will the Moto x function with the 3G service provided by network providers here?
I dont know if I understand this topic thoroughly, so let me put my concern in very layman terms - Will a Moto X bought from the Moto Maker store in US, work with UAE network providers 3G service?
I dont want to end up spending 400$ for a phone that wont function fast enough; problem is I want a wooden finish customized phone - one which isnt available in UAE.
Please please help soon!
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Just get Tmobile version customised. 3G will work, 4G wont and phone will be SIM unlocked out of box and you will be able to unlock the bootloader as well.
No need to worry about 3G.

Europe will soon get Moto Maker too! It is planned for Q2. The European Moto X's (XT1052) frequencies are:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100
LTE: 800/1800/2600
So if you can wait you can get it via Europe

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Funkym0nkey said:
Just get Tmobile version customised. 3G will work, 4G wont and phone will be SIM unlocked out of box and you will be able to unlock the bootloader as well.
No need to worry about 3G.
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Thanks a lot Funky..
I'm not aware what a bootloader is - a newbie to the tech side of phones or anything. A quick search reveals it to be a set of commands executed at startup/OS. Now, at the risk of sounding even noobish than I have already portrayed, my question is -
1. Will this unlocking the bootloader affect the Touchless controls?
2. Also, since the phone is not officially launched in UAE - I wouldnt be able to get any changes (like unlocking the bootloader or anything else) done.
Thanks for your replies mate. It really made my day. Will be ordering it in a couple of days.

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tommert38 said:
Europe will soon get Moto Maker too! It is planned for Q2. The European Moto X's (XT1052) frequencies are:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100
LTE: 800/1800/2600
So if you can wait you can get it via Europe
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Thanks for your reply tommer. I checked into that possibility - issue is the phone is significantly more expensive in Europe. It costs a good 150 USD more than US. Now 4G is nearly double speed as that of 3G I think. However, 3G speed is fast enough for me.
So the trade-off is between 150 USD or double the speed than what is enough for me. I chose to save the moolah instead.
Thanks for your suggestion.

deepak.motox said:
Thanks a lot Funky..
I'm not aware what a bootloader is - a newbie to the tech side of phones or anything. A quick search reveals it to be a set of commands executed at startup/OS. Now, at the risk of sounding even noobish than I have already portrayed, my question is -
1. Will this unlocking the bootloader affect the Touchless controls?
2. Also, since the phone is not officially launched in UAE - I wouldnt be able to get any changes (like unlocking the bootloader or anything else) done.
Thanks for your replies mate. It really made my day. Will be ordering it in a couple of days.
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If you want to keep phone stock, no need to unlock the bootloader. But unlockable bootloader will allow you to flash custom recovery and root the phone.
does not matter where you are. You will still be able to unlock the bootloader through Motorola site. All this is optional. T-Mobile version just offers you this freedom along with moto maker.
Just unlocking bootloader will not affect touchless controls.
From my Moto X, in your face!

I'll be working in UAE soon, are there any CDMA networks there? I'm on vzw here in the states and wondering if my Dev Ed moto x will work there.
-Sent from a nitroglycerine infused moto X... handle with care

tbh, I'm not sure if i the dev edition will work here. There are 2 providers here - Etisalat and Du. I suggest you check their specs.
I know that 4G will not work for sure. Honestly, I'm very uninformed when it comes to these things. Sorry cant help you much.

Will new Moto X have dev edition

Starting this thread because I know were all interested.

And perhaps in the 2014 moto X thread
Anyhow, https://plus.google.com/103879265800925397987/posts/CnNpg5SmcSR
GSM gets unlockable bootloaders, but no option for vzw. Oliver Meirhaeghe posts towards the end of this thread
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Also full Motomaker customization available, unlike the B&W only OG DE
tapped out via XT1053 DE

geekabilly said:
Also full Motomaker customization available, unlike the B&W only OG DE
tapped out via XT1053 DE
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Lol let's get the unlock first

It's done, Ollie was explicit, bootloader unlockable
tapped out via XT1053 DE

geekabilly said:
It's done, Ollie was explicit, bootloader unlockable
tapped out via XT1053 DE
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Keep your fingers crossed and eat a can of Spinach lol.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...eration-moto-x-developer-edition-for-verizon/
None for verizon

I ve been with Verizon for years if it went for the fact I can't get a signal where I'm at I would jump ship.

wooddale said:
I ve been with Verizon for years if it went for the fact I can't get a signal where I'm at I would jump ship.
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Sadly, this is the case for many. And likely the reason Verizon does what they do ... because they can!
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YankInDaSouth said:
Sadly, this is the case for many. And likely the reason Verizon does what they do ... because they can!
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You are correct my friend I will probably purchase one and give it hellbforbthe first two weeks. If it does not work 100% As good signal as the old X I'll send it back. Its worth the $35 to check it out. If its worth Im gonna hope some one comes up with a half assed root at least exposed would work for me.

There will be an unlocked GSM version, but no "Developer Edition" per say. The unlocked one will be able to have it's bootloader unlocked - since it's not tied to AT&T.

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There will be an unlocked GSM version, but no "Developer Edition" per say. The unlocked one will be able to have it's bootloader unlocked - since it's not tied to AT&T.
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Kind of. There will be an unlocked dev edition GSM but no unlocked CDMA dev edition.

Hahaha Verizon. They need to kick rocks

If only every carrier in the United States offered equal coverage would we see competition for customer service and prices. I don't think it will be long until a company like T Mobile can build a network as good as AT&T's or Verizon's and then some. I mean hell, its only a matter of time until Sprint's network is decent and just as good, right? All it really needs is time and to actually be expanding they're just doing it more slowly. Once everyone's Network is pretty much equal which I hope happens they will have to compete in other ways and maybe US customers in the United States will get cheaper bills for better services that are cheaper for the carriers to provide.
(Like 4g is cheaper than 3g for AT&T to provide yet because it's a better service no one thinks to question why the bill has actually gone up)
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Jonnyredcorn said:
If only every carrier in the United States offered equal coverage would we see competition for customer service and prices. I don't think it will be long until a company like T Mobile can build a network as good as AT&T's or Verizon's and then some. I mean hell, its only a matter of time until Sprint's network is decent and just as good, right? All it really needs is time and to actually be expanding they're just doing it more slowly. Once everyone's Network is pretty much equal which I hope happens they will have to compete in other ways and maybe US customers in the United States will get cheaper bills for better services that are cheaper for the carriers to provide.
(Like 4g is cheaper than 3g for AT&T to provide yet because it's a better service no one thinks to question why the bill has actually gone up)
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I wish it were that easy I read an article they said that T Mobile and Sprint are so far behind they can't catch up. That's what the deal was all about with U.S. Cell selling there bandwidth to Sprint. U.S. Cell figured there was so much competition in the Chicago and I believe St Louis market there money would be better spent somewhere else were they had a better shot. So they sold there shares of the market to Sprint. I believe the Moto X not getting unlocked is call about Verizon just being the ****'s they are because they could. This is just my gut feeling but I think the boot loader will get unlocked maybe not in 4.4.4 but maybe Android L when stuff first comes out it has vonerabalities ( or however you spell it lol) wishful thinking but there some smart guys out there. I'll bet they charge for it but so did the middle man. Well worth a few bucks to get unlocked.
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