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What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.
Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
Yeah I want to add that alot of companies aren't great with warranties. Honestly htc I probably the best as I've read stories of people sending in their completely dead flyers with bad charging ports in, rooted and unlocked bootloader and they've fixed the charge port and sent it back. Sony surely wasn't very nice about the disc read error on the ps2, telling customers to just buy another one, and Samsung on numerous occasions to people I've known refused to honor warranties on their tvs. Also my captivate had a bad gps antenna, in fact all galaxy s phones did and Samsung never owned up to that. The grass is always greener I guess...
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When you make 1000's of units- there's bound to be some frustrated customers, it's just sheer numbers, nothing is perfect.
I think Google initially took the most hits for the lack of SD cardslot, the big price difference between the 8 and 16GB units, and the rollout craziness when they had stores withhold units they actually had on hand till their own direct to customer channel got up to speed.
Once defects began to crop up in delivered units- ASUS came under the blade for poor quality control.
ASUS has to take blame for physical defects- that has nothing to do with Google. IIRC- the N7 was pretty much based on a 7" tablet ASUS already had in the works- for a 2012 release Google just had them remove some items (like the bemoaned SD cardslot) and rebadge it as a Google tablet. Google can't be blamed for poor workmanship on the N7, blame ASUS if your tablet isn't satisfactory.
In the end- Google should/will make good for defective units, so it's a bit of an inconvenience for the end-users, but that's how it is with complicated consumer electronics nowadays anyway.
OT- this is a tablet forum, but since the OP mentioned ASUS motherboards- their current product is not what it once was quality wise.
Years ago- I mean 10-12 years ago ASUS motherboards were top notch, with very good quality components that would last forever. As soon as the infamous "bulging capacitors" started showing up in consumer items- they started showing up in ASUS motherboards too. ASUS was particularly difficult to deal with in some of these cases and got out of making good on warranty service when they could. That really tarnished their reputation and opened the door for newer companies to offer their products to computer builders. Soon after that, the rest of the motherboard industry caught up with ASUS, and some have surpassed them in value features for the dollar. ASUS IMO is no longer 'special" as far as their motherboard product- I'd rate them just middle of the road quality wise and low to medium in features for the dollar on their motherboards. Can't remember the last time I used an ASUS MB for one of my computer builds...
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"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.
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If you believe this, then why on earth would you have bought a Nexus 7?
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ASUS makes good desktop and laptop components, but their tablets have been less than stellar. The OG Transformer was great until it was first updated to ICS and then even stock users were getting random reboots and sleep of deaths. The Transformer Prime was good but had the GPS and WiFi issues. I haven't heard anything about the TF301 or TF701 but the Nexus 7 has had it's fair share of issues.
I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
My Nexus 7 only has the screen lift issue which is fine with me, but a lot of others are having much more severe issues.
ASUS makes great tablets, they are my favorite, when they aren't defective.
It's purely my opinion and observation. But it seems like ASUS struggles a lot more with their early batches of tablets than others. Sure Apple and Samsung have defects too. But buying an ASUS tablet during it's first month of launch always seems like a much bigger cluster**** than with Apple or Samsung or others.
Not sure why this is, but I think ASUS is rushing too much to get a head start on Samsung and the competitors. TF101 released before the Galaxy Tab 10.1, TF201 was the first ICS tablet, TF701 was almost the first 1920x1200 tablet. And this Nexus 7 was pretty somewhat retooled in just 4 months for Google.
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Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Just to be clear, I love my Nexus 7, but that love is a direct result of Google's awesome software. The thing is snappy and stable as hell, unlike my buggy, garbage Transformer Prime w/ its Asus controlled software that lags and ANRs every friggin' second. I bought the N7 expecting to have hardware problems based on my past experience with Asus tablets, and they certainly didn't disappoint (well, they did, but you know what I mean ). The software more than makes up for it though - at least for me.
The good news is that I'll bet anything that Google is done with this crappy company after the N7.
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I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
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I think this may be the issue. Those who insist on defending Asus seem to be customers who have bought plenty of Asus products before, but no tablets. Those of us who own a TF101 or TF201 know the deal. Their tablet division does seem to be run very differently from the rest of the company.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5i4l143RIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You mean that tablet? Looks identical to it but oddly no front camera, but it has a rear camera.
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Hey all is good here. Received mine last week. It's mittens!
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I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.
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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.
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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.
I've never had any more trouble with Asus products then others, I'd guess the majority of components are sourced from the same Chinese manufacturers which supply other companies such as Samsung, HTC, etc. Given that most of the issues seems to stem from overtightened screws and misapplication of adhesive the major problem appears to be with Asus's (or whichever company they contract out to) quality control. Which is probably going to be a problem that begins to affect more companies as consumers keep demanding lower prices.
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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.
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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.
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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.
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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.
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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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My first unit has screen lift which is pretty minor, but it also has dead audio jack (one side) and touch issues (one touch turns into two, causing random zooming and problems in Swype). I have had good luck with asus pc components but this is not very impressive.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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Sorry if you asked it - I didn't see it.
My most hated tech company is Asus. However, my most beloved tech company is Google, and I specifically love their Nexus line. I own every Nexus device - I even imported the Galaxy Nexus from Europe before it went on sale here. I'm an unapologetic Google/Nexus fan boy. So as you can imagine, Google using Asus for their first Nexus tablet put me in a tough spot. I held out for a week after it was released, but finally decided that it was worth it to bite the bullet and get the tablet despite it being made by Asus, especially considering the low $200 price point, and especially considering that it would be supported by Google and not Asus. And I love the N7. Sure, I had to install some shims and crazy glue the screen, but I love the thing. I'm just speaking the truth about Asus. Sorry if you don't like it.
Also, not sure what you're talking about re: "the pure awesomeness of your iPad" comment. Just because I'm ripping on Asus doesn't mean I'm an Apple fanboy. On the contrary, I'm a huge Android fanboy. I have the original iPad back from when it was released, before Android tablets existed. I don't even use it anymore. Very odd comment on your part, IMHO.
I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
I think they made a mistake limiting 32gb sales to BestBuy. They could have sold a lot more than they have if it wasn't.
But, I see us getting an update to "L". That might be it though.
There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
Ouch.......
All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
Actually, Korea has better version of S5 cell phone too, but it does not mean that general S5 won't get an update. Same is here I think. Samsung has strange policy with tablets - they make it with older hardware than current smartphones have! But anyway, even Galaxy Note 8, that had old hardware for it's time, got 4.4 and Tab S will get L I think. About 32 GB. I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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Same here in Germany, it is mostly the base configuration that is available. The higher memory variants either never show off, a year latter at some random online retailers or are at the most a one provider exclusive thing released three months later.
OK i cant take it LOL i bought the Pro 10.1 then 4 months later the S 10.5 and with days picked the S over the 10.1 for so many reasons not even including the screen.
just kidding though as i am not one to yell about why there are new ones and regret my purchases. i actually enjoy the new stuff and expect it. when the new stuff offers enough for me to upgrade i move.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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This is an interesting article on the version of the Exynos Chipset rumoured to be in the Tab S Slate......it supports 64 Bit
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-note-exynos-snapdragon-armv8,27688.html
Now that WOULD be a killer upgrade.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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I hope that the pricing difference is not that much
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I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
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Sorry. I find this mildly absurd. In recent years, Samsung has a good track record of updating all of their flagship products, even if it does take a while. If this were a midrange or budget product, I'd totally agree with you. Samsung doesn't update it's budget products. In this case, though, I think you're way off base. If the Galaxy Note 8.0 and original 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 (both crap sellers) got KitKat, the Tab S line will get L. This isn't even a question in my mind.
I never said the Tab S wouldn't get Android L, I said that they would abandon it and launch a new replacement........Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
Also this will likely force Samsung to have to start to rationalise some of their product offerings and instead concentrate their resources on a smaller range IMHO.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29516806
This is their flagship product in the tablet line. Not even remotely going to happen. Worse. Thread. Ever.
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Here is why it will get L. Samsung typically supports new products with occasional updates for 18 to 24 months, and L is just around the corner, and M is coming not so long after. My S2 came with Gingerbread, and Samsung gave it ICS and JB (I took it to KK 4.4.4). I have no doubt, L will be backward-compatible with non-64 bit hardware. The overall installed base for Android and the number of recent Samsung devices out there is too prodigious. Whether our Tab Ss get official M and beyond its the question.
You could go crazy the way Samsung dribbles products into the market. They have too many products overlapping when less, done with latest specs, would do just fine. All this crazy overdevelopment is one reason they have financial problems. It causes consumer confusion, market chaos, and makes updates a crapshoot. So what are you going to do? Keep holding your breath for Samsung to wake up, rationally anticipate the future, and deliver what you think is the perfect device for you? You'll lose your mind. In the end, when I was ready to buy a tablet, I was just ready. My eyes were open about the situation, so I rolled the dice and bought as best I could - in this case, Samsung - knowing my top of the line tablet was already about to be an antique. And you know what? When the day comes that I need to upgrade to 64 bit, with all that entails (e.g. 4gb RAM and apps that actually require it - and that is not going to be so soon), I'll put this tablet on eBay and bite the bullet again, knowing the next one I buy will already be late to the game the day it is released. But for now, I've put my hysteria aside and accept that my tablet is just fine, as is my highly customized S2 which, I'm sure, will be running L when that gets in the hands of capable outside developers, and probably M, too, if I hang on to it that long [emoji6].
For all its monstrous flaws, this is the one thing Apple's (and a few others') business model gets partly right. Less devices, less overlap, and unified updates can be as good as more. Don't get me wrong. Releasing 1 or 2 devices a year with a long patch between tech improvements (often just catch up) isn't particularly gratifying unless you are a typical brainwashed Apple fanzombie.
If you do some research tablet sales are cooling; even Apple's. Unlike smartphones, the replacement cycle is slower for tablets with current owners keeping them much longer. Phablets are denting tablet sales; especially in emerging markets where people can't afford two devices.
Apple and Samsung both lost market share in Q2; Apple more so. Apple was down in volume while Samsung gained. Price is obviously impacting sales with low cost tablet vendors growing in volume and market share.
We on XDA have a skewed view of the world. The masses are far less concerned about the speed of their CPU/GPU if they even know or care what they are. Same thing with Android L. If the latest and greatest Android version were that important to the masses Samsung wouldn't be selling the volume of devices they do and GPe and Nexus devices would be more popular.
Samsung most likely reused the high-end architecture from earlier tablets on the S' to save money and get them to market faster. Bearing the cost of redesigning them for 5433/S-805 isn't going to affect their sales or their perception by the masses. If Android L is so important getting the existing S' on it quickly makes more sense than launching a new tablet. But I don't think the masses care. If they did HTC wouldn't still be hemorrhaging sales after positioning themselves as the "fastest" OEM at updates. The S' claim to fame are their exclusive AMOLED displays. That's what you'll see advertised over the holidays.
Samsung's working on 10" 4K tablets displays that'll need 5433/S-805. That's most likely going to be the "next big thing." And the Note tablets need a refresh so logically they're next up to bat and they have a loyal following and drive higher margins.. As for a faster LTE-A tablet, I'd be surprised if even 30% of the tablets Samsung sells have cellular modems. And if high-end tablet sales are price depressed making them even more expensive seems illogical.
Trying to guess Samsung's next move is a fools game. If they make something you like buy it and be happy. The launch of the S' didn't change the features and usability of the Pro's one bit.
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Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
From Engadget...
Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
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Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement. I believe Samsung won the case eventually, but cut their losses and moved on, effectively abandoning the device and customers.
The 7.7 shared many of the same hardware components with other mobile devices. Note and SGS2 ......
Circumstances appear different, so I'm sure we'll get the update, but who knows where we'll be on the pecking order. ......
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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Not necessarily.
Crapple products are way overpriced, but I wouldn't call them a niche product.......... The 7.7 was a premium device, one that scared Crapple, but premium doesn't equal niche. It wasn't a gimmicky device or "prototype" (as some you quoted), it was a real competitor, so that's what scared them and held up the production and shipment delays in Europe and US with law suits. By the time it was all sorted, Samsung had washed their hands of it. During that time, support for updates was nearly non-existent and my WIFI version didn't progress beyond ICS. The 3G model did however get a regional update for Asia to JB. This clearly shows that Samsung do indeed have a history of not supporting their products with updates for a (legal?) 18 months. Who will make them comply.
As I said though, I believe this device is a different kettle of fish, so we will get support, but may not be in a expedient manner as hoped.
Purely coincidentally in the UK today on Samsungs own website....
http://store.samsung.com/uk/ng/mobile-tablets/tablets/c/SM02
TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
Addressing some of the comments above......
The P6800 (7.7) was originally launched directly against the Ipad at a time in the market when Ipad was really the only player in town. Apples lawsuits certainly did dent the product marketing and distribution, but also what had a huge effect, was within months there was a whole rash of 'low cost' Android tablets that moved the market space in terms of pricing. The 7.7 was perhaps even over engineered for it's time (metal case, AMOLED screen, dual networking etc....) and certainly would have had a BoM that wouldn't allow it to be sold at a price competing with the likes of the Nexus 7.....so Samsung had to launch the lower cost range of products that followed. I have no issue with this, what I did and still do have an issue with is the fact that Samsung did not continue to release software updates for a reasonable amount of time afterwards. Many of us spent $500+ for our 7.7s and in effect they became redundant within 18 months....not a good return on investment.
I see the same behaviour at the moment with the Tab and Note PRO range which in my mind is just reinforced by the price promotion on their website today, I'm concerned that we may see the same behaviour for the Tab S tomorrow as sales frankly have not been at the level the Samsung must have been hoping for.
As to this being the worst thread ever, then why contribute?
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TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
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Did anyone here not think the Pro's were toast when the S' came out? They're the same tablets and launched with the same selling prices. The big and only difference is that the S' truly have an industry exclusive killer feature - their AMOLED displays. The Pro's were discounted at similar levels in the U.S. weeks ago confirming what we all knew or suspected; there ain't room in this town for two high-end similar tablets. The only surprise from the UK is that both 12" devices are marked down so significantly which I translate in to disposing of inventory on the way to extinction. 12" tablets were a risk to begin with so I guess Samsung's calling it a day. If you notice, the N10.1-14's gone from the site completely except for third party purchase. It could mean new 8.4/10/12" Notes are on the way. The 8" has been missing for a year and the 12" without S Pen was kind of stupid. Once you get to a certain price point does $50-100 difference really mean anything? So I could see the 8.4/10/12" Notes and 8.4/10.5 S' being Samsung's rationalized product line. The 12" Note being the big wild card. And due to AMOLED's battery performance on whites I'd bet the Note's continue with LCD displays.
Back to the subject of this thread. It's pretty clear why the Pro's were toast when the S' came out. What's going to make the S' toast? Android L can run on ARMv7 SoCs with 512MB of RAM so, at least to me, introducing a major h/w change in conjunction with Android L doesn't make sense and "quad core" and "eight core" are still going to be on the box regardless of which Exynos or Snapdragon chip is under the hood. That said, it's equally unlikely the "S" will become the S 2 simply because newer SoC's are available. For the thesis of this thread to be true means the only reason the S' aren't selling as well as they could are because of their Android version and CPU/GPU. I don't think the masses care enough for that to be true. If something were to happen "S 2-wise" it would be happening now to get the merch on the shelves before the holidays and to beat/meet the arrival of the Teg K1 HTC/Nexus 8.9" tablet. There's been no S-like tablets that have shown up in benchmarks or been certified for Wi-Fi, BT, or cellular anywhere. Just the LTE-A S specific to Korea. There was a 100 page thread in the SGS5 forum about people worrying the Alpha was going to be a metal SGS5 with more power. Turned out to be 100 pages of wasted server space and fretting. Every time a Korean LTE-A device comes out the klaxon horns go off about it imminently replacing or rendering inferior an existing global device. Hasn't happened yet.
There probably will be a "S 2" but if I were to bet it would take more than a SoC swap and/or new Android version to make that happen. But I've been wrong before.
So conspiracy theorists do carry on. I'm out because this thread is turning argumentative and I'm not helping.
I'm apologizing for all outburst!
Samsung has a bottom line today is not in competition (Iphone plus? Nexus 6), of course it's the line Note has a niche market. Niche of the most demanding customers.
I love the line note note is different is not a smart phone is not a phablet, tablet. Note is observed.
PDA PALMTOP remember he had in 2004, for years had no competition. He later turned to dust.
Samsung have to stop this behavior much like a hyperactive child with acute attention deficit lost to a very wild market.
Samsung is underestimating their competition likely to be very careless with your most demanding customers.
As for update delays and low quality of the current Lollipop. Surely this must be the number of models and variants exist. But it does not justify S6 has a much better operating system "S6 5.1.1 ota rollout", and note 4 stay with median lollipop.
I do not like to compare, but even if IOS8 had many flaws the iPhone 4S and iPad 2 receive the same attention updates together. I think the mistake strategy, think Samsung is still low self-esteem, the exaggerated respect for Apple, which is also intended for the low sales of IPHONEPLUS ??? You may have influenced the strategy is to let the note 4 to the side and focus too much on the S6. I'm just guessing.
You have to consider the fact that Samsung has a lot of devices to update. You can't compare IOS who is a closed ecosystem with 5-6 device to upgrade and maintain with Android and Samsung who has a lot of phones and tablets.
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Well first, none of us users asked for a hundred versions of the same device. Let alone hundreds of devices to flood the market.
Second, as OP stated, most of Note users are demanding power users. If you want to stand out in a market full of big screen phones/phablets now, you have to be up to it and dedicate the resources (time, staff, ...) for this.
Third, Note 4 isn't like iPhone 4S or iPad 2. It's this year's flagship for God's sake!
Fourth, Samsung is all about S6 and making up for S5 sales, which isn't wrong. But in the process a company that big mustn't overlook their existing flagship and their true signature device. Afterall, people still buy through word of mouth.
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You have to consider the fact that Samsung has a lot of devices to update. You can't compare IOS who is a closed ecosystem with 5-6 device to upgrade and maintain with Android and Samsung who has a lot of phones and tablets.
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Well first, none of us users asked for a hundred versions of the same device. Let alone hundreds of devices to flood the market.
Second, as OP stated, most of Note users are demanding power users. If you want to stand out in a market full of big screen phones/phablets now, you have to be up to it and dedicate the resources (time, staff, ...) for this.
Third, Note 4 isn't like iPhone 4S or iPad 2. It's this year's flagship for God's sake!
Fourth, Samsung is all about S6 and making up for S5 sales, which isn't wrong. But in the process a company that big mustn't overlook their existing flagship and their true signature device. Afterall, people still buy through word of mouth.
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: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:
First I should learn English before posting basic things,
Second, I made a mistake in making comparisons (IOS) thing I disapprove.
Third, I would not say "Note 4 is as iPhone 4S or iPad 2 or iPhone plus or nokia, playstation 4"
I consider the Note 4, unique not cocorrente no comparisons!
Room I made a big investment, it is believed that Samsung provide a change of heart! If I'm wrong on this site complain too much.
Certainly Quinta got it wrong!
To conclude, I am complaining about the note 4 is still my choice! I'm frustrated with my battery, then slow to open applications, and more!
My expectations are to caller line company Samsung!
I'm not a noob, not enteder logical differences, which means a unique system dedicated to small appliances line. An open system, bla bla bla bla bla Blal!
I will study English, and in the future maybe I'll be right back!
Maiaman said:
: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:
First I should learn English before posting basic things,
Second, I made a mistake in making comparisons (IOS) thing I disapprove.
Third, I would not say "Note 4 is as iPhone 4S or iPad 2 or iPhone plus or nokia, playstation 4"
I consider the Note 4, unique not cocorrente no comparisons!
Room I made a big investment, it is believed that Samsung provide a change of heart! If I'm wrong on this site complain too much.
Certainly Quinta got it wrong!
To conclude, I am complaining about the note 4 is still my choice! I'm frustrated with my battery, then slow to open applications, and more!
My expectations are to caller line company Samsung!
I'm not a noob, not enteder logical differences, which means a unique system dedicated to small appliances line. An open system, bla bla bla bla bla Blal!
I will study English, and in the future maybe I'll be right back!
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I believe that you made your points correctly and we understand them. I have been wondering the same thing, why is an S4 so much different from an S5 in terms of the software? Why is a Note 3 so much different from a Note 4? If Samsung wants to stay ahead of the curve, I thing a great place to start would be to keep their software matching to a greater degree, from TW to S-Notes to... you name it. I think that Sammy is losing focus in trying to capture the new user while not understanding that they are losing users out the back door because of their software.
I agree. But you know what teaches a company a lesson? By going to another company... They not only get one less sale, their rivals get one more sale. I think my Note 4 is very fast EXCEPT in the multitasking button (or recent apps button, whatever you want to call it). It's very slow, and it is rather frustrating. If Samsung cannot fix this within the next months before the Note 5 comes out, my next device will certainly not be a Samsung device. I paid well over 600 euros for a device, and I expect it to work well. Now, if they can't, that means that their current users aren't a priority and they're only focusing on their future users; ironically losing their current ones.
It's a buyers market. As you mention, the Note line has some very big pros on its side, such as the SPen. Apart from that, there are other devices that could give Samsung a run for their money. I recently tried using Windows Phone as my daily driver and it was a VERY nice OS (but no Android). I'll never go back to iOS because of how closed it was... But in Android itself there are TONS Of phones - that's the beauty of it. You have so many choices!
But you should never blindly give a company your money if they're not working to maintain you... I mean, after all, you PAID them for their product. This would be another story if they gave you their phones freely! But heck, for 600+ euros... I'd expect them to want to take care of their customers.
Bottom line: I'm very happy with my Note 4. Battery life could and should be improved. Speed could be improved from what I read on the forums. I'll give them until the Note 5 release, and then I'll reevaluate... Until then, there is nothing I can do, less selling the phone is an option and picking up another device. But I'll be sticking with my Note 4
Great topic bro
Seriously Samsung is not giving a teention to note 4 at all i mean even after the outdated update still most of the countries have KitKat and still waiting LP
This policy of samsumg is drawing users away from this product. I mean coommon i have an octa core processor and the touchwiz is making this phone like its runing on single core always delays and stutters . lag lag lag and lag everywhere. Even a nexus from 4 years can feel snapier than note 4. Of course we get 50000 + on antutu but that number doesnt translate to reality day to day. All is that i can say the software on note 4 is very poorly optimized if non . i have 3 gb of ram and nothing is open in recent apps and im already consumin 2.2 gb of ram. If samsumg cannot do it at least send us the open source codes so that the talented people over xda can make it happen
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Problem is,at the moment I see no real competition to the Note 4. The M9 is a massive disappointment, the Z4 looks to be stuck In last year, the G4 has got a locked bootloader again. Despite its flaws,the Note 4 is still one of the best phones out there. I changed my phone 4 times last year and this year so far I haven't seen anything that offers better than the N4.
The heavy PWM samsung chooses for the display made this my last samsung. Probably my next one will be an LG, they dont use the heavy PWM like samsung does but then again they dont have the quality samsung has with it's screens.
Technology luxury problems.....
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The heavy PWM samsung chooses for the display made this my last samsung. Probably my next one will be an LG, they dont use the heavy PWM like samsung does but then again they dont have the quality samsung has with it's screens.
Technology luxury problems.....
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I agree with you about the PWM, it really annoys me but the fact you won't be able to flash a new ROM or kernel on the G4 annoys me even more.
Everyone here loves their Note 4. That's why we demand the attention it deserves. It's the best android device ever created (minus some software optimizations, support, multitasking lag).
But to wait a whole year until the Note 5 comes out to get a -by then a year old- OS update?! That makes no point to me at all. Like other people pointed out, most countries still await 5.0.1 update. Having paid €600+ for this phone, i paid for the best phone on the market. That includes support and OS updates and performance and stellar camera performance -as promised/advertised- and here we are after 6 months since release, with no updates or a very poorly optimized update.
If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.
Samsung is paying for their mistakes in the past and it may take longer than imagine, the line Note is one of his greatest hits, so I fell in love with the note 4. I see no other option, I can only regret that we are paying for cost of his mistakes. So I resign myself and enjoy this great device!
Cheers to all
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If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.
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If the Nexus 6 had an Sd card and good quality camera I'd move over straight away, I love all the custom Roms and kernels my N5 had and N6 has. Unfortunately for what I use the phone for, the N6 just isn't good enough and from what I've seen from the other flagships launched this year so far, they aren't either.
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If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.
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Agreed, if the Nexus 6 had MicroSD and removable Battery I'd have most probably chosen that over the Note4, although the VR issue remains, since at the moment only Samsung has a proper implementation of Mobile VR with GearVR.
Anyone who buys Note4 for anything else then stylus is fool. There are many same or better devices for much better price - if you do not want or know to utilize active digitizer.
I don't think we are all fools for buying Note4. I don't use very much the stylus. But Note 4 still remains one of the best phones of the market. Believe me I've had a lot of phones, i meen a lot. I've had Sony, LG, Xiaomi, HTC, BlackBerry, Apple, Huawei and a lot more I can't remember right now. But every time I'm returning to Samsung. We should admit that Samsung has a lot of good parts. Ok it is not the best company when it comes to updates, but not the worst. Belive me Sony has the updates for lollipop rolling right now, Huawei still waiting, Xiaomi still waiting. Maybe HTC and LG moved a little faster.
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Lollipop update on Z3 is garbage
OK I got Note 4 with Exynos chip (64-bit disabled !!!) and I'm running Lollipop 5.0.1 with a lot of issues, lag & bugs and RAM management issues also.
no API 2 camera or RAW support, they just sent Lollipop update missing many advantages of the original Lollipop OS, Samsung just fooling us by a Software (Touchwize) reducing our Hardware (Note 4) real capabilities.
like
1- camera missing RAW support and other options.
2- no 64-bit abilities for Exynos model.
Samsung should fix the Note 4 issues as fast as possible & we don't have to wait for Note 5.
we need full Lollipop update with a fix to the 5.0.1 update bugs.
I always was an Android user but I'm thinking seriously to leave Android to Windows Phone 10 or even iOS, because with those OS's you will find much more respect, updates & development .
Now Samsung just focusing on Galaxy S6 with an update like every few days to solve S6 issues & they are ignoring the rest of devices, specially a flagship like Note 4
our voice should reach Samsung ..................... guys if you are going to buy Samsung device please think again.
I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
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Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
Claiming:
4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.
Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)
So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....
POLO_i780 said:
You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
bonerp said:
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Every new phone launching in mid range and flagship categories are at least 5.2 inch or larger. Do you think it is the beginning of end of phones with less than 5 inch phones?
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Seems like it. Maybe not dead, but mostly dead. Except for Sony and a few Chinese manufacturers, nobody bothers with smaller phones outside of cheapos, and even those are getting bigger. The one obvious (or not, if you're not thinking outside Android) exception is the new iPhone SE. Basically an iPhone 5 (4" screen) with 6s guts. It easily has the highest power-to-size ratio of any phone available. The only problem is that it's an iPhone. Hopefully it sells well enough that some Android manufacturers will recognize there's still a market for smaller phones. I'd love a 4-4.5" Android with some power. Myself I just bought an S4 Mini (AT&T) to use for my home internet and as a music player. It's not exactly powerful, but it gets the job done and serves my purposes.
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Seems like it. Maybe not dead, but mostly dead. Except for Sony and a few Chinese manufacturers, nobody bothers with smaller phones outside of cheapos, and even those are getting bigger. The one obvious (or not, if you're not thinking outside Android) exception is the new iPhone SE. Basically an iPhone 5 (4" screen) with 6s guts. It easily has the highest power-to-size ratio of any phone available. The only problem is that it's an iPhone. Hopefully it sells well enough that some Android manufacturers will recognize there's still a market for smaller phones. I'd love a 4-4.5" Android with some power. Myself I just bought an S4 Mini (AT&T) to use for my home internet and as a music player. It's not exactly powerful, but it gets the job done and serves my purposes.
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I fully agree. iPhone SE was a good step from Apple. It would be great if android oem's release smaller sized phones with powerful hardware... Moto g first gen was my first smartphone and it remains the best smartphone that I have used...
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Mostly small sized mobiles are turning to rugged waterproof phones. Most people want their phone to pop out of their pockets that lead to big sized phones. And even no one is ready to play a game or watch a movie on the 4" phone.
One of the reasons that I hate big phones is that it becomes a tedious task for me to carry it. Another reason being my small hands...? I can not use 5.5 inch phones with one hand...
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Speaking as a woman with size 5 hands...
I wouldn't ever want to use a phone that's smaller than my current 5.7" Note 3. No way. The big screen is an absolute delight. I can actually see what I'm doing without needing to zoom in or use a magnifier, and you can actually see faces in films.
Hell, I bought a 12.2" tablet. That should tell you everything about my views on usability over size.
And yes, I did have to extend my jeans pockets. Bit of a hassle, but totally worth it. :laugh:
Personally I never understood why people liked small screens. Every time I grab my S5 I have to remind myself that I'm not using an S5 Mini, it's just so bloody tiny....
"It's too big to hold when you're calling". That's why they invented headphones with mics.
I can manage it perfectly fine with one hand. (Though maybe that's because our fingers are more flexible by nature?)
ShadowLea said:
Speaking as a woman with size 5 hands...
I wouldn't ever want to use a phone that's smaller than my current 5.7" Note 3. No way. The big screen is an absolute delight. I can actually see what I'm doing without needing to zoom in or use a magnifier, and you can actually see faces in films.
Hell, I bought a 12.2" tablet. That should tell you everything about my views on usability over size.
And yes, I did have to extend my jeans pockets. Bit of a hassle, but totally worth it.[emoji23]
Personally I never understood why people liked small screens. Every time I grab my S5 I have to remind myself that I'm not using an S5 Mini, it's just so bloody tiny....
"It's too big to hold when you're calling". That's why they invented headphones with mics.
I can manage it perfectly fine with one hand. (Though maybe that's because our fingers are more flexible by nature?)
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Well, everyone has his/her own preferences..[emoji18]
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Personally, I never watch movies on my phone. Only YouTube videos. And I've never felt the screen to be too small to watch them on my 4.7 inch Redmi 2. I do read some articles sometimes. 4.7 inch screen not an issue for that too...
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Well, everyone has his/her own preferences..[emoji18]
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All too true.
I just hear far too often "Screen over 5" are useless, nobody wants those". Which is entirely untrue.
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All too true.
I just hear far too often "Screen over 5" are useless, nobody wants those". Which is entirely untrue.
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On the contrary, I feel most people want bigger screen these days. But the problem is companies no more release smaller phones for small amount of users like me who prefer smaller screens. Guess that's because there are very less people like me...
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The trend for larger phones has been interesting and weird. Back when the iPhone had a 3.5" screen Steve Jobs was making jokes about the "huge" 4.3" screen on the Motorola Droid X, and how nobody would want a Hummer sized phone. Then he died, Apple upped the screen to 4", and then eventually 4.7" and 5.5" because they realized that Jobs wasn't an omniscient god that could predict the future. Now I see at least as many iPhone 6 Pluses as I do 6's.
My theory is that the trend for larger phones isn't just because people wanted something larger, but moreso because that as phones became more capable, they became more useful when they were larger. For example, as I mentioned, I just picked up an S4 Mini. While good enough for basic things, it's definitely not a powerhouse. Its tiny screen sucks for games, web browsing, and is very cramped for typing unless you hold it landscape. I wouldn't want it to be any larger, even if it would make certain things easier, because it's simply not powerful enough to warrant being larger. Compare that to my OnePlus One or Nexus 6, or even my S4. The larger and more powerful a phone is, the less it becomes a "phone", and more it becomes a computer that fits in your pocket. This wasn't true back in the days of the iPhone 4 or Droid X. But today I feel like I could go on vacation for several days and only take my Nexus 6, leave my laptop at home, and not feel lost, disconnected, or impotent. Obviously I'd prefer having the laptop, but I'd be fine with the tradeoff of not having to lug the thing around. I know people that have large phones like Notes and iPhone 6 Pluses that don't even have a computer because their phone is big and capable enough to replace it for them.
On the other hand, there's still plenty of people around that don't want a big ol slab in their pocket. Sony has their Compact series, but they have practically zero market in the USA, and not very much market elsewhere either. I think that if Samsung made a Galaxy S7 (or whatever iteration) Compact (not "Mini") with a 4.5-4.7" screen it'd be a big seller. Not only would it appeal to Android users that want a powerful smaller phone, they could steal some of Apple's customers who are only sticking with iPhones because like the smaller size but not necessarily the OS. Imagine an S7 Compact, just slightly over 5" tall and 2.5" wide, with the same 16mp OIS camera, storage, power, and waterprofness of the S7/S7 Edge. Now that'd be a fantastic little device.
Imagine if xiaomi releases a phone with same power as redmi note 3 but with a screen size of redmi 2. It would be even more affordable than redmi note 3 and yet a powerful device... That's the kind of device that I would like to use
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Imagine if xiaomi releases a phone with same power as redmi note 3 but with a screen size of redmi 2. It would be even more affordable than redmi note 3 and yet a powerful device... That's the kind of device that I would like to use
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Funny you should mention this...
http://phandroid.com/2016/06/02/xiaomi-4-3-inch-flagship/
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Funny you should mention this...
http://phandroid.com/2016/06/02/xiaomi-4-3-inch-flagship/
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Yeah I've read that news. Would be great if Xiaomi releases it!
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Meanwhile I am still rocking 3" Xperia Active phone ...
I use phone for Playing Games and watching Videos. Small screen has no good for me. So small screen phones are dead for me.
I'm with the OP. I love smaller phones. 5" is ideal and no greater than 5.2". My biggest issue is portability more than anything else. Large devices are difficult, awkward and cumbersome to carry around.
Omg...I remember when a phone that was 4.3" was considered big.
Wow! I didn't know these many people like small phones?
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I am a big fan of small screens. I have my laptop for viewing on big screen & same goes for TV. Problem is phone manufacturers don't care about us smaller group. Apple made SE, but it's too costly. Oh well. Then there's OP X but now the CEO says he will discontinue it. Great.
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I am a big fan of small screens. I have my laptop for viewing on big screen & same goes for TV. Problem is phone manufacturers don't care about us smaller group. Apple made SE, but it's too costly. Oh well. Then there's OP X but now the CEO says he will discontinue it. Great.
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Fully agreed
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