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So last night T-Mobile has announced it's rollout of voLTE, a feature which let's a subscriber use LTE for voice calls.
After doing some research, I learned that voLTE works on the principles of SIP and that currently only 3 phones support it.
Will Google/Qualcomm work on a patch or update to give Nexus 5 this ability?
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I really wish I had T-Mobile in my area They're actually pushing for new, cool features. It seems like all other big companies are doing what they can to stagnate the market because they already have the major market shares. I just want to support you, T-Mo! Why don't you want my money!?
All that said, I have Aio (Cricket now) and I've been more than pleased with them. Just want the option of T-Mo and give em a whirl...
I have no idea on the answer to your question though. Enjoy a free bump instead!
the answer is more than likely no.
I love t mobile. Unlimited 4g lte gives me between 20-50mbps everywhere I go. Best part, I'm never throttled. I don't even bother going on wifi anymore as my data connection is always faster. I doubt this will be added to the nexus 5 though unfortunately.
T-mobile has had voLTE in limited market(s) for a few months now. The 'subscription' comment sounds like a no go for prepaid plans.
I am in trouble. What am I supposed to do. I want to wait for the GPS Nexus 6 since it can connect to any network but I am a Tmobile customer that needs the wifi calling feature.
I get very limited reception at home and at work. Does anyone know if the GPS nexus 6 will support Tmobile's wifi calling feature?
This might be a deal breaking and I have no choice but to get the Tmobile Nexus 6. Please help!!!
you should direct your question to @askdes on twitter. he should know what's up.
I'm pretty sure it's been said several times that this phone will support Wi-fi calling with T-Mobile, but not until after the phone has received an OTA update early next year.
I think you mean GPE.
And we don't know yet. Theoretically, since there isn't a difference between the versions, WiFi Calling should be able to be ported to the other carrier's (or GPE) Nexus 6.
Until the software update drops, you can use Google hangouts to make and receive calls over Wi-Fi.
T-Mobile's press release...
Plus, this hot new smartphone is expected to support Wi-Fi Un-leashed beginning in early 2015 with an over-the-air update– making it the first-ever Nexus device that will support Wi-Fi Calling thanks to enhancements in Android 5.0.
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Wifi calling is not T-Mobile specific.
Apple has it built into iOS8 and it is very easy to use and works flawless. Android 5.0 will include WiFi Calling built in for all devices, the N6 on T-Mobile will just benefit from it in the US. Sprint should also make use of it eventually.
htc one nax has wifi calling. lovely app. i retired my sprint airvana as its no longer needed
I bought my nexus 6 from Motorola.com, so it's unlocked, unbranded. I live in Minneapolis, right in the city, which is one of the markets recently launched with the coveted Band 12. BUT from what I can tell my phone is still connecting on good old AWS spectrum whether on LTE or HSPA. I'm using both LTE Discovery and SignalCheck Pro for stats on my LTE connection. I have yet to see band 12. I'm wondering if anyone else is having a similar experience? I've contacted T-Mobile and they say that they only support basically the most recent Samsung devices (Note 4, etc.) and a particular ZTE hotspot device on band 12. Does ANYONE know if the next android update is supposed to "enable" band 12 on the N6 for T-Mobile, because I was basically told by a T-Mobile phone rep that a software update would enable that feature on some existing phones. But since this phone has that band already and is unlocked and unbranded, and doesn't run custom T-Mobile firmware, I assumed it would pick up whatever airwaves are nearby.
OR is it just my crummy luck and other N6 users ARE seeing band 12 in the markets where available?
I do not think all of Minneapolis is covered in band 12 yet. You could be in a area that doesn't have it or band 4 could be better in the area so the phone connects to that. T-Mobile did say wifi calling was coming to the N6 at one point so maybe that will be when band 12 will be used. Unless you can get a note 4 in the area you are at that shows band 12 being used with the N6 still on band 4, I would just wait and see. I work in Eagan, MN and I have yet to see any phone connect to band 12. I do work in a T-Mo Corp store.
I've been wondering the same thing....
I'm in Dallas and have yet to see band 12 on my T-mobile Nexus 6.
I don't think Dallas is part of the fun yet... http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/uncarrier-8-blog.htm
T-Mobile holds 700mhz spectrum throughout much of the state, south-central, central, and northwestern. When they first launched 3G they covered the entire metro area, Minneapolis, St. Paul, and first, second, and third tier suburbs. So I doubt this is an issue of coverage, but rather accessibility. Especially since I'm constantly traveling throughout the metro and well beyond into greater Minnesota.
So my question remains, is there anyone with a Nexus 6 in a 700mhz market that IS seeing service on band 12?
There are a bunch of people on the Note 4 picking up band 12 in Dallas. (see reddit and howardforums)
If that's true then have you heard of any Nexus users in the area picking up band 12?
Nope
This is killing me. It's the biggest reason I bought an N6 vs the OnePlus.
I put a post up on /r/tmobile (can't link) asking if anyone has seen band 12, nothing yet.
Here
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/compatible-phones
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According to T-Mobile the only devices on THAT list currently supported on band 12 are the Samsung phones, I think one or both of those Samsung tablets and the ZTE hotspot, not the phone. That from a support rep with T-Mobile.
But since I have a directly purchased nexus rather than a carrier bought one I assumed it would be free of carrier imposed restrictions. I explained this to a tech support rep on the phone and he said a future software update would enable the band on some phones. Which again left me a little confused because the phone came from Motorola.com and I thought it was Google who pushes the updates... Not the carrier. I know in the case of most phones that run even light carrier customizations it's generally the carrier who pushes the updates once they've been tailored to the carrier's needs and specs.
I know T-Mobile boasts that their Nexus devices are unlocked and unbranded, but I had a Nexus 5 bought from Google while a friend had one that came from T-Mobile. Both phones running the same version of Android with the same build number, kernel number, baseband, etc. The one thing that seemed to set them apart is he couldn't successfully use his hotspot service on his phone, while I am able to without limits or restrictions. So I'm not sure how they pulled that off. On the carrier side or software side. If it's carrier side then how come I wasn't met with the same restrictions. If it's software, then how did our phone have all the same version numbers. And I wonder how that same question applies to the Nexus 6 and band 12.
T-mobile site says software update coming early 2015 to support band 12. Can't link it but it's under coverage.
How are you folks checking to see what band you are on? They recently upgrading my area to 4G after years of Edge that didn't really do data and I'm curious if its band 12 since my wifes HTC One (M7) doesn't seem to pick up the signal.
I use two apps; 'LTE Discovery' & 'SignalCheck Pro'.
SignalCheck Pro is nice because it gives me a constant visual on my network connection via the status bar and the lock-screen
YES
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/01/nexu...ill-receive-updates-to-enable-700mhz-support/
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YES
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/01/nexu...ill-receive-updates-to-enable-700mhz-support/
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Too bad they won't narrow it down better. Early 2015? Well it's the end of January. I consider that early 2015.
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Too bad they won't narrow it down better. Early 2015? Well it's the end of January. I consider that early 2015.
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Right?! Some rumors have been saying a big update was coming for the N6 in February, so...
Also this still doesn't answer the question of whether the updates mentioned by T-Mobile will be applied to T-Mobile purchased Nexus devices or all Nexus 6's
I would assume it's part of an update rolling out to all 6's
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Right?! Some rumors have been saying a big update was coming for the N6 in February, so...
Also this still doesn't answer the question of whether the updates mentioned by T-Mobile will be applied to T-Mobile purchased Nexus devices or all Nexus 6's
I would assume it's part of an update rolling out to all 6's
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Maybe it's if you have a T-Mobile sim in your phone. If it goes out that way then it shouldn't matter where you got the phone from. It would know that the phone is on their network with the sim and maybe push the update to you.
Just guessing.
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How are you folks checking to see what band you are on? They recently upgrading my area to 4G after years of Edge that didn't really do data and I'm curious if its band 12 since my wifes HTC One (M7) doesn't seem to pick up the signal.
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Because the htc one m7 doesn't have the capability to work with band 12, even if it was enabled in software. It works on band 17 though (which is the upper part of that 700 mhz block).
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Too bad they won't narrow it down better. Early 2015? Well it's the end of January. I consider that early 2015.
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If they're going by quarters, then by the end of March.
In the UK, Three has just launched the UK's first VoLTE service on their newly launched 800MHz spectrum. Officially, the Samsung Galaxy S5 is the only device that will work on it at the moment, they plan to support more devices, but the Nexus 6 isn't in the list so far.
A few people on the Digitalspy forums have been able to access 800MHz on other devices, one person on a stock Nexus 6 with the latest OTA, and another person on a Moto X 2014. I have a Nexus 6 running the M preview 3 and I haven't been able to get any 800MHz even though it's broadcasting in my area.
Does anyone know if there are any methods of accessing the 800MHz coverage, even if VoLTE doesn't work?
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In the UK, Three has just launched the UK's first VoLTE service on their newly launched 800MHz spectrum. Officially, the Samsung Galaxy S5 is the only device that will work on it at the moment, they plan to support more devices, but the Nexus 6 isn't in the list so far.
A few people on the Digitalspy forums have been able to access 800MHz on other devices, one person on a stock Nexus 6 with the latest OTA, and another person on a Moto X 2014. I have a Nexus 6 running the M preview 3 and I haven't been able to get any 800MHz even though it's broadcasting in my area.
Does anyone know if there are any methods of accessing the 800MHz coverage, even if VoLTE doesn't work?
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Where you at in UK. I have family in Birmingham. Your N6 should have band activated. It going to be up to your carrier. If someone already accessed it on stock 5.1.1 I would flash back to see if it works. I'm not a Guinea Pig. I'm a nurse and need phone to be reliable. Thus I don't run preview builds. Only those that give feedback to Google and can deal with broke **** should even flash M. Cheers Mate.
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In the UK, Three has just launched the UK's first VoLTE service on their newly launched 800MHz spectrum. Officially, the Samsung Galaxy S5 is the only device that will work on it at the moment, they plan to support more devices, but the Nexus 6 isn't in the list so far.
A few people on the Digitalspy forums have been able to access 800MHz on other devices, one person on a stock Nexus 6 with the latest OTA, and another person on a Moto X 2014. I have a Nexus 6 running the M preview 3 and I haven't been able to get any 800MHz even though it's broadcasting in my area.
Does anyone know if there are any methods of accessing the 800MHz coverage, even if VoLTE doesn't work?
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800Mhz is LTE band 20.
If you have an XT1100 (the international model) then band 20 should work just fine.
The American model XT1103 doesn't have band 20 as far as I know.
I'm running M preview 3 and it runs like a dream, no issues what so ever, and battery standby is excellent, paired up with some kernel tweaks and low brightness I'm getting at least 5hrs screen on time daily, so I'm very happy with that.
I do have the XT1100, and yes it supports Band 20. Band 20 works on the other carriers that are broadcasting it as their main LTE band (O2 UK & Vodafone), but Three UK uses Band 3 as their primary spectrum, they only just launched Band 20+VoLTE but do not support the Nexus 6 officially. The people who have been able to connect to it say that it works but VoLTE does not work, unless you are using an officially support Galaxy S5.
I might try flashing a stock rom on my N6 and see if it makes a difference.
Did this work in the end?
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Did this work in the end?
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From the looks of it we'll get we'll get data on 800Mhz but not VoLTE oddly, I've asked why Three aren't using Advanced Calling by default.
I too am trying to access the VoLTE on my Nexus 6 using Three in the UK (South London). Does anyone have any updates or can advise how to enable this service?
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I asked this question in the Marshmallow thread, but it got lost in the more-common discussion... posting in a separate thread as this involves a lot of moving parts.
I'm exploring if the D5803 has VoLTE support on Verizon Wireless. I have a theory that the Z4v might have been cancelled due to Verizon enabling AOSP VoLTE on their network. The D5803 supports both Band 4 & Band 13. Hence, like the A9, it might be possible for Verizon to sell the D5803 (new old stock) with Marshmallow.
I'm looking for someone with a D5803 and a Verizon account that has applied the Marshmallow update. Specifically, to test the following:
* Can you enable VoLTE from the networks menu?
* Have you added Advanced Calling to your account prior to the SIM swap?
It has not yet been established how Verizon VoLTE is provisioned - it may be based on IMEI blocks. Then again, it may not. The D5803 is one of the first devices we can test with, that has the same VoLTE stack as Google's Nexus 6 and HTC One A9.
Seeing as nobody seems to be able to test this, I've started searching for a D5803 to acquire. Bit of a hassle to test since the Z3c now costs more than a Nexus 6 ($299 new as of this morning).
But, I will be happy to add this to my list of do-it-yourself Android accomplishments if I pull it off
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Seeing as nobody seems to be able to test this, I've started searching for a D5803 to acquire. Bit of a hassle to test since the Z3c now costs more than a Nexus 6 ($299 new as of this morning).
But, I will be happy to add this to my list of do-it-yourself Android accomplishments if I pull it off
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I'd be curious to know this as well, what about the z5 from Canada bell. They are a cdma company I'm told. But can't find what bands it uses from their website. I'd be willing to help if I'm able in finding out.
The Z5 should work fine on Bell. Bell stopped using CDMA in 2012, and the network will be shut down completely by 2017. It's mostly today just used for roaming from US CDMA customers.
Only the Z3v has CDMA in terms of modern Xperia phones (the last being Verizon's Xperia Play). The (potential) benefit to the Z3 compact D5803 is VoLTE on Marshmallow bypassing CDMA completely on Verizon - since Verizon has enabled VoLTE.
Any updates on whether or will work with verizon? Also can't lollipop bypass cdma and use volte?
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Well I spent $250 (of my own money), to buy another D5803.
And guess what? Verizon is barring the device from registering on their network.
This is major for two reasons:
1) I previously used a D5803 on Verizon, it registered fine at the time as a data-only, non-VZW device
2) The barring status is only after VoLTE was added to the ROM
I'm guessing nobody else monitoring this thread has a D5803 or D6603 and a Verizon SIM, to confirm with.
But if I am correct, Verizon is violating C-Block auction rules and agreements with the FCC by barring network access to the Z3/Z3c.
I tested the D5803 with my T-Mobile SIM, and it is in proper working order.
I will contact Verizon folks tomorrow and see if I can sort this out. My guess is that the D5803 is being banned because of its VoLTE support (perhaps due to bugs in its VoLTE) - but that's no excuse, there are no exceptions to the rule.
Not as much progress, but some understanding.
When Verizon rolled out VoLTE to Android 5.1+ devices, it seems they realized Band 4 devices (like Nexus 5) could then be used on the network.
So to fix this Verizon banned all foreign IMEI's from the network. They have been patchwork whitelisting Band 13 devices as people file FCC complaints.
Case in Point: Someone filed an FCC complaint recently because their UML290 Prepaid LTE aircard was not being allowed on a smartphone SIM. Verizon surprisingly responded saying that they would comply and add UML290 PP's to the whitelist.
So it seems Verizon has a process, but is only reacting to FCC complaints. They are certainly aware of the D5803 - they just are not being proactive (as required by the C-Block mandate).
I asked the UML290 complainant to pass me the Verizon employee's contact info who responded to the FCC complaint. I haven't heard back. If I don't hear back Monday, I'll reach out to Verizon public relations.
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Not as much progress, but some understanding.
When Verizon rolled out VoLTE to Android 5.1+ devices, it seems they realized Band 4 devices (like Nexus 5) could then be used on the network.
So to fix this Verizon banned all foreign IMEI's from the network. They have been patchwork whitelisting Band 13 devices as people file FCC complaints.
Case in Point: Someone filed an FCC complaint recently because their UML290 Prepaid LTE aircard was not being allowed on a smartphone SIM. Verizon surprisingly responded saying that they would comply and add UML290 PP's to the whitelist.
So it seems Verizon has a process, but is only reacting to FCC complaints. They are certainly aware of the D5803 - they just are not being proactive (as required by the C-Block mandate).
I asked the UML290 complainant to pass me the Verizon employee's contact info who responded to the FCC complaint. I haven't heard back. If I don't hear back Monday, I'll reach out to Verizon public relations.
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You know after reading this I'm kinda appalled that business practice this blatantly bad continues with what looks to me as illegitimate practice. Only when the fcc knocks on their door will they stop? It's like a bad behaved child that keeps going until reprimanded by mom.
I'm considering taking my z3v and switching to tmobile pending the z6 release which I'd buy unlocked.
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I'll stop a little bit short of that. This is an important test case. If Verizon quickly (within say, 30 days) does whitelist the D5803 & D6603... then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Verizon can make a good case for blacklisting "unknown" LTE devices, until they find a valid Band 13 device to whitelist. Imagine someone activating a Nexus 5 on Verizon? They would be denied CDMA registration, and only have access to LTE Band 4. That would cause signal and other issues - even if VoLTE worked properly.
So, I get why Verizon is doing this - but the real lynchpin will be reacting quickly when someone wants them to add a LTE Band 13 device - as required by the FCC mandate.
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I'll stop a little bit short of that. This is an important test case. If Verizon quickly (within say, 30 days) does whitelist the D5803 & D6603... then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Verizon can make a good case for blacklisting "unknown" LTE devices, until they find a valid Band 13 device to whitelist. Imagine someone activating a Nexus 5 on Verizon? They would be denied CDMA registration, and only have access to LTE Band 4. That would cause signal and other issues - even if VoLTE worked properly.
So, I get why Verizon is doing this - but the real lynchpin will be reacting quickly when someone wants them to add a LTE Band 13 device - as required by the FCC mandate.
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Well let me know how it goes for you. I've a retailer near me selling the international version of the z3 new for near 400 I'd buy if verizon would do their end.
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Well, the first step was pleasant!
Verizon technical support has a form just for this very situation now! The DMD Device Add form (my nickname, not theirs) is what they fill out. They took down my device's bio (IMEI, make/model, LTE bands supported... even the storage capacity), and then sent the request.
They told me that if it is approved, the device will be added to the network in 1-2 business days, and my active SIM should then work with the device.
Now, my big concern is - they're provisioning the IMEI manually... they could easily block VoLTE in the process, but I hope they don't.
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Well, the first step was pleasant!
Verizon technical support has a form just for this very situation now! The DMD Device Add form (my nickname, not theirs) is what they fill out. They took down my device's bio (IMEI, make/model, LTE bands supported... even the storage capacity), and then sent the request.
They told me that if it is approved, the device will be added to the network in 1-2 business days, and my active SIM should then work with the device.
Now, my big concern is - they're provisioning the IMEI manually... they could easily block VoLTE in the process, but I hope they don't.
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Well the other user that got verizon to white list their device. He didn't have issues right? So you shouldn't I'd think. Also if they are taking that info down they shouldn't go out of their way to block the IMEI...
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The only other user that I'm aware of was using the UML 290 PP. A prepaid version of a Verizon device that was already whitelisted. In that case, Verizon responded to the FCC complaint admitting they made an error - since it was a Verizon-branded device, it should have been whitelisted (for postpay accounts) already.
With the D5803, there's the added factor of VoLTE. We don't know how Verizon will code the whitelisted device. It could be they code it as a data-only device, and deny access to VoLTE. That was an issue with the HTC One A9 for awhile.
Any updates on whether verizon will add the phone to the list or you think they will decide tomorrow?
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At this hour, I'm now two full working days since submitting my DMD device add request. No call back, and my D5803 still is actively being denied registration on Verizon LTE.
Guess I'll give it until Monday to call back in again. No action next week, I'll take it to corporate relations, and then off to the FCC if that goes nowhere.
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Any updates on whether verizon will add the phone to the list or you think they will decide tomorrow?
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My understanding is that you have to call Verizon Technical Support and do the process for your specific IMEI. They are only whitelisting entire device blocks when either the manufacturer cooperates, or when enough customers jam up the call center that it's efficient for them to whitelist the entire block range for the particular device make/model.
Anyone that has Verizon and also has a Band 13 LTE Sony phone, I strongly encourage to call technical support and file the request... even if you have Verizon prepaid. Once your phone is whitelisted, it's whitelisted for life.
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At this hour, I'm now two full working days since submitting my DMD device add request. No call back, and my D5803 still is actively being denied registration on Verizon LTE.
Guess I'll give it until Monday to call back in again. No action next week, I'll take it to corporate relations, and then off to the FCC if that goes nowhere.
My understanding is that you have to call Verizon Technical Support and do the process for your specific IMEI. They are only whitelisting entire device blocks when either the manufacturer cooperates, or when enough customers jam up the call center that it's efficient for them to whitelist the entire block range for the particular device make/model.
Anyone that has Verizon and also has a Band 13 LTE Sony phone, I strongly encourage to call technical support and file the request... even if you have Verizon prepaid. Once your phone is whitelisted, it's whitelisted for life.
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Now if I didn't have a z3v, I'd get the z3 and try this out as one model does have the bands.. But I prefer the z3v over that. However sony announced that they are releasing unlocked z5 in us in places like best buy. Now I checked but couldn't find what model nor what bands it has. Do you know if any of the existing z5 models have band 4 and 13?
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Here's the bad news on the Z5: Sony put all its bets on the Z4v in the U.S. and Brazil, so they scrapped Band 13 on the Z5 in favor of Band 12.
Then (apparently, Verizon) killed the Z4v, leaving Sony with no Band 13 devices. I have actually suggested Sony re-release the Z3 & Z3 Compact as Band 13 phones, a la Nexus 5X & 6P.
Unless Sony re-tools and creates U.S. variants of the Z5 (unlikely at this point), they will only work on AT&T and T-Mobile.
You're not missing much. The Z5 (Compact) is not dramatically faster. And it lacks the awesome magnetic charging connector. Nor does it have Qi (which Verizon pestered Sony to add just for the Z4v).
Z3v owners got burned by Verizon blocking (or making too difficult) for Sony to ship Marshmallow. So you are stuck with the Z3 platform, in a Z2 body, which will always be stuck on Lollipop. Really odd combo, but it hopefully will get you another 9 months to the Z6.
What Sony should be doing, right this very minute, is arming the Z6 and Z6 Compact with Sprint and Verizon VoLTE support, so they can be like the Nexus. If Sony sticks with it, and does that, they'll be amazed how many phones they sell over here. But I've been following Sony (Ericsson)'s shell casings for 15 years. They always come super close (T606, T608, Z4v) and kill it off right on the eve of success.
Edit: I just learned that the U.S. version of the Z5 will have *some* modifications. I only can confirm the fingerprint scanner won't be included. No word yet on bands.
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Here's the bad news on the Z5: Sony put all its bets on the Z4v in the U.S. and Brazil, so they scrapped Band 13 on the Z5 in favor of Band 12.
Then (apparently, Verizon) killed the Z4v, leaving Sony with no Band 13 devices. I have actually suggested Sony re-release the Z3 & Z3 Compact as Band 13 phones, a la Nexus 5X & 6P.
Unless Sony re-tools and creates U.S. variants of the Z5 (unlikely at this point), they will only work on AT&T and T-Mobile.
You're not missing much. The Z5 (Compact) is not dramatically faster. And it lacks the awesome magnetic charging connector. Nor does it have Qi (which Verizon pestered Sony to add just for the Z4v).
Z3v owners got burned by Verizon blocking (or making too difficult) for Sony to ship Marshmallow. So you are stuck with the Z3 platform, in a Z2 body, which will always be stuck on Lollipop. Really odd combo, but it hopefully will get you another 9 months to the Z6.
What Sony should be doing, right this very minute, is arming the Z6 and Z6 Compact with Sprint and Verizon VoLTE support, so they can be like the Nexus. If Sony sticks with it, and does that, they'll be amazed how many phones they sell over here. But I've been following Sony (Ericsson)'s shell casings for 15 years. They always come super close (T606, T608, Z4v) and kill it off right on the eve of success.
Edit: I just learned that the U.S. version of the Z5 will have *some* modifications. I only can confirm the fingerprint scanner won't be included. No word yet on bands.
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I just spoke with sony mobile us customer support. They gave me no info on a lollipop release stating service providers handle updates on branded phones.. So it's on verizon.
I asked about the z5 which they confirmed is coming to the US. The rep did not know a date, nor the bands or service carriers it will support. What's the point of having a us branch that's in the dark and know less than we do about the phones they are releasing?
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Generally until it's on sale, the sales people aren't briefed. It's basically SOP today to not feed customer service any details until the launch docs are sent. They may not know until February, even if it's on the blogs.
In the early 2000's - we got most of our phone leaks from customer service people who got briefs way too early. It just led to a lockdown on all that info outside of product and PR staffs.
An interesting thing is Nexus 5, which doesn't support band 13 and VoLTE, was able to connect to Verizon with KitKat and Lollipop, but not with Marshmallow according to https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/3jihcj/why_am_i_able_to_connect_my_nexus_5_to_verizon_lte/
So maybe Verizon didn't start blocking devices with not whitelisted IMEIs or with VoLTE support, but Marshmallow changed something that prevents non-VZW devices from connecting to the network. I don't know if D5803 or D6603 have Lollipop 5.1 with VoLTE support, but if they do it would be worth trying.
By the way, did you select LTE-only mode and then tried to turn off and turn on radio in the hidden menu?