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accidentally, from 2ft onto concrete with no case on. There is a slight scrath on the metal surround, other than that no damage at all.
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Thanks for the update. Your answer is some what helping me
I had a confuse as the size it too large!
Accidently from 2ft onto carpet with a gel case on - it was fine
Dropped it like 20 times on various surfaces (including concrete) already, w/o case. Got some minor scratches on the "metal" frame, but even that is only slightly visible. Other than that: works like a charm + no scratches in the display.
Well different people have had different experiences. I have never dropped the phone yet... (Touches Wood)
You might want to check out the following threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1338544
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1368385
Dropped it once or , twice .the plastic rim take done damage
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Dropped it once or , twice .the plastic rim take done damage
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Been there, done that. Screen cracked. Didn't shatter though. Disappointed in the quality of Note. Charged US$100 to change the whole screen including the HD-SAMOLED.
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Dropped it once or , twice .the plastic rim take done damage
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Same here. some scratches on the plastic rim
Bit of a shame it's ask plastic would have been move if the trim was metal to help protect it without a case.
I dropped it from like one foot, fell out of my pants got a mark on the trim, which I totally thought was metal.. Bit disappointed. First Samsung device, HTC definitely kick Samsungs arse in build quality/durability which is needed in a handset.
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no it cant be dropped . i droped it from 1 feet and got small scratches on the blue surrounding but thats all.
I must confess I have done the same involuntary experiment, same result. The fall was slowed by the headphone cable and the phone landed vertically and then falled on it's back. Result: scratches on the bottom metal and a very small one on plastic back. Screen intact.
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accidentally, from 2ft onto concrete with no case on. There is a slight scrath on the metal surround, other than that no damage at all.
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My kid disobeyed the Golden Rule of not touching my phone and dropped it from about 3 feet. Surprisingly, an angel swooped in and grabbed it, raised it where he can't reach and waited for me to retrieve it. Seriouly though, is there a way to get warranty on this phone? I bought it from eBay a week ago but it didn't give me an option to purchase a US warranty.
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I bought it from eBay a week ago but it didn't give me an option to purchase a US warranty.
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I dropped mine today It was in my jeans pocket, and when i got out of the car, it dropped straight onto the concrete with no case on. I screamed when i saw that it dropped with the screen DOWN.
BUT, the screen didn't get ONE SINGLE scratch! The only thing that got a couple of scratches was the bezel. Nothing major, but i'm happily using the flip case now
Dropped it once from my bike at around 1m high. The silicone case took all the shock, so great investment
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Dropped from 1,5 m on CONCRETE !!!
Fortunately. the silicone case did it's job.
Not a single scratch. Phone untouched
I hate all of you right now Anybody want to switch phones with me?
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Bit of a shame it's ask plastic would have been move if the trim was metal to help protect it without a case.
I dropped it from like one foot, fell out of my pants got a mark on the trim, which I totally thought was metal.. Bit disappointed. First Samsung device, HTC definitely kick Samsungs arse in build quality/durability which is needed in a handset.
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Metal can get scratched specially aluminum when dropped on concrete or asphalt. Have you seen the latest HTC phones? They're all made out of plastic.
As long as there are no flexes in the chassis where it actually counts, i couldn't careless about the usage of plastic
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Metal can get scratched specially aluminum when dropped on concrete or asphalt. Have you seen the latest HTC phones? They're all made out of plastic.
As long as there are no flexes in the chassis where it actually counts, i couldn't careless about the usage of plastic
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Metal makes the phone more stable and screen to easy to brake because on a fall the power from the drop goes to the screen without looking a strength front the metal bending or braking, my English isn't so good to explain more a static solution about the thema. Just check iphone cracking display because of it's metal body. And to answer your question, no I don't think you have space to put plastic between to absorb the fall. If a fellow with static experience and better English could explain them if this isn't enough.
Thank you
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I've had my lovely Xperia T for almost 2 weeks now and I've got a few concerns about the build quality and I'd like to see if I'm the only one with these issues:
1) I've noticed a few places on the back panel which exhibit a certain amount of creaking when I apply slight pressure. The worst areas are at the top left of the device behind the notification LED and between the SIM/Micro SD panel and the power button. This sound is quite irritating to me, especially for a brand new device.
2) There are a few areas along the edge of the matte black panel where the matte paint have been scratched off. Two of the corners have slight paint wear and around the headphone jack. Under the matte paint is a shiny black surface and it seems (so far) to be affecting the sharper edges or where the matte panel meets the metallic bezel. I'll try to take photos, but it's very small at the moment and might not be picked up due to it's dark colour.
Like I said, I've only had this phone less than a fortnight and it's already showing signs of wear even though I'm very careful with my devices.
Do any of you have any experiences like this?
Had mine for 2 and half weeks and have no sign of even being used. Don't have it in a case or anything. Where did you get it from.
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Carphone Warehouse UK. I can live with these small paint chips but I'm concerned it'll only get worse with time
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I've had my lovely Xperia T for almost 2 weeks now and I've got a few concerns about the build quality and I'd like to see if I'm the only one with these issues:
1) I've noticed a few places on the back panel which exhibit a certain amount of creaking when I apply slight pressure. The worst areas are at the top left of the device behind the notification LED and between the SIM/Micro SD panel and the power button. This sound is quite irritating to me, especially for a brand new device.
2) There are a few areas along the edge of the matte black panel where the matte paint have been scratched off. Two of the corners have slight paint wear and around the headphone jack. Under the matte paint is a shiny black surface and it seems (so far) to be affecting the sharper edges or where the matte panel meets the metallic bezel. I'll try to take photos, but it's very small at the moment and might not be picked up due to it's dark colour.
Like I said, I've only had this phone less than a fortnight and it's already showing signs of wear even though I'm very careful with my devices.
Do any of you have any experiences like this?
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Yep about to ask the same thing here... I cant believe that after 2 weeks of normal usage back matte covering is starting to peel at the corners. Its some kind of spray over a glossy plastic. Had galaxy ace for over a year and that stayed like new. Was very upset with this, so I ordered thin hard plastic case to cover that s***.
I got the phone from O2 ireland. James Bond and what not...but very disappointed as for the price.
Mine is exactly as you described it. Paint started to peel off at the top corners and the creak when pressed on the left corner. Really disappointed with Sony's built quality. Also the factory installed screen protector is showing some marks/light scratches. Does anyone know if it is possible to remove it as I would like to replace it with aftermarket ones. It seems to be glued to the screen.
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Mine is exactly as you described it. Paint started to peel off at the top corners and the creak when pressed on the left corner. Really disappointed with Sony's built quality. Also the factory installed screen protector is showing some marks/light scratches. Does anyone know if it is possible to remove it as I would like to replace it with aftermarket ones. It seems to be glued to the screen.
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I have not removed it from the xperia t yet, but I have removed it from my past xperia devices with no problem at all, but it does need a knack to take it of
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I've been reading into this 'shatter proof' layer and I'd be curious to find out if anyone here has removed theirs already? How does it affect dust/smudges etc? I'm naturally a bit hesitant to attack my phone just yet.
A note on the creaking case; I've found a rather unprofessional way to resolve it and it's reduced the noise significantly. It's possible to wedge a thin piece of paper between the back panel and the bezel, so I trimmed a piece small enough to go ask the way inside as far as it can go and gently pushed it out of sight using a craft knife. I used a post-it note and made a strip about 1mm wide and 5mm long and this seemed to do the job.
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Mine is exactly as you described it too.
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I've been reading into this 'shatter proof' layer and I'd be curious to find out if anyone here has removed theirs already? How does it affect dust/smudges etc? I'm naturally a bit hesitant to attack my phone just yet.
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Not so sure its a "Shatter proof" layer or just to keep any broken glass stuck together so you dont cut yourself. It may give some protection against shattering but as I have said before, I removed it from my x10 and my neo with no adverse effects at all. Still to do it yet on my T. The reason eing, soon that layer gets scratched and dull, then I will take it off and have a brand new screen, similar pricicple to the rip offs the F1 drivers use on their visors.
Mine creaks as does my wife's Xperia T. Really annoying at first, but I got a hard case from Amazon UK and its stopped most of it.
Just removed my built-in/factory-fitted screen protector or whatever you want to call it :laugh:
Gave it a good clean as it was very slightly tacky and now it looks much slicker with the screen off... it seems to attract less dust and it isn't as smear-prone as before. I prefer the naked glass feel and it seems ever so slightly more responsive. Kinda glad I took the plunge after being too chicken to do it lol
Good for you!! Did mine also today using a credit card. Started at the top where the speaker is as it had the least resistance. Came off quite easily.
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Are the front-panel logos on the Xperia T on the glass itself or on the shatterproof sheet? In other words, did the logos come off along with the sheet?
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Are the front-panel logos on the Xperia T on the glass itself or on the shatterproof sheet? In other words, did the logos come off along with the sheet?
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The sony and xperia logo remain on the phone after I took off the factory fitted screen protector
Silver sticker around camera lens.
A week in with my Xperia T and the sticker around camera lens has peeled away. Anyone else have same problem? Perhaps I'll need silver model paint in it's place.
same problem
had my xperia T for about 2 months now, i have been very careful with it, it hasnt been droped, or against anything sharp, the only thing it has had is the pulling in and out of my pocket every time i use it, as any phone should be designed to do, and the paint on all 4 corners is wearing off, mainly on the left side, i belive this to be the angle that it usually is in my jeans pocket causing it to scratch.
as a matter of intrest whats the cover on warenty for something like this? because the manufacture could say its not their fault,
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had my xperia T for about 2 months now, i have been very careful with it, it hasnt been droped, or against anything sharp, the only thing it has had is the pulling in and out of my pocket every time i use it, as any phone should be designed to do, and the paint on all 4 corners is wearing off, mainly on the left side, i belive this to be the angle that it usually is in my jeans pocket causing it to scratch.
as a matter of intrest whats the cover on warenty for something like this? because the manufacture could say its not their fault,
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There is already a thread about this problem, and yes, it's covered by warranty. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2031472
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Hey community i own two Nexus 4 devices and both have the same problem... Two different bags and one SGS 3 were needed to recognize the problem specially on N4 devices. The left and right curved edges and some parts of the rest of the display are very sensitive of wear.
How I recognized this?
I wanted to clean my display.
If i breath on it, spots will appear who wont mist that much than the rest of the display.
This spots are not removeable and susceptible for dirt and fat fingers / fingerprints.
The SGS 3 , that has the same curved edges hasnt got this problem althrough it has the same kind of glas : gorilla glas 2
My first N4 had this problem on the left side to the middle of the display where i scroll the homescreens with my finger.. My second N4 has it symmetric on each side after 2 weeks. A displayprotector holds back the wear of the rest of the display.
I sent an email to google and reported about my problem. If you have recognized the same kind of s**t , please post a reply and where these spots appear. THANKS
Most likely the oleophobic coating is wearing off in those places. It happened on my Galaxy Nexus and its starting to happen on my Nexus 4. I have a bumper on so the edges are fine. Its wearing where it rubs against my pants pocket.
No problem here after 2 months +.
@ el daddy : sorry but this normaly happens to a 1 year old device. mine are one month and one week old. and that homescreenscrolling causes such spots.. in light use after one month.. like i said... SGS 3 same glas, same curved edges, havnt got that problem
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@ el daddy : sorry but this normaly happens to a 1 year old device. mine are one month and one week old. and that homescreenscrolling causes such spots.. in light use after one month.. like i said... SGS 3 same glas, same curved edges, havnt got that problem
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I don't get why you are condescendingly apologizing to me. I was just telling you what was happening and that it's happened with my last two phones. Yeah it's annoying, but there is no time frame on when it should or shouldn't happen. It doesn't matter if it's brand new or 5 years old. Enough friction will cause wear.
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and thats the point. one month light usage. and the finger causes enough friction to wear the screen like a streak of 1 cm * 4 cm from the edge to the middle? i cant imagine
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same problem
i am getting this on about a quarter of the screen, where the coating has obviously worn off. it must be from going in and out of my jeans but ive only had it for 12 days. kind of a shame, its most noticeable in bright sunlight, with low screen brightness.
do you think putting a screen protector over top would even out the appearance of the coating and hide the area where its rubbed off?
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yes a screenprotector helps to hide the worn spots. This afternoon i will post some pictures of the screen that will proof that this problem is caused by a manufacturing failure.
This are pictures of my second 1 and a half week old device. If i hadn't put a screenprotector on the display, the half of the screen would be rubbed of now.
In this picture you can see where the worn spots are.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=p1000418-12wrs3.jpg
Now I will show you pictures from each side of the phone.
Left:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=p1000414dgpob.jpg
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http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=p10004168kugv.jpg
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http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=p1000413fruta.jpg
On each side the simmilar wear with that not worn spot in the middle of the ledge.
Such a symmetry isnt caused by natural wear... It is caused by a differend degree of hardness all over the glass.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=p10004021yoz5.jpg
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All your links are broken but it doesn't matter anyway. I'm honestly failing to understand the problem here? It's just the anti-finger print coating which is laughable at best at doing what it's supposed to do anyway. The only time you notice it wearing off is if you breathe on the phone.
You got any pics? the ones 2 posts above mine say they permission denied
I've got an old sgs that I never put a case or screen protector on and carried round in my jeans pocket for over 2 years without any wearing out of the screen coating. I've got a six month old razr maxx again with a perfect screen even tho it's been in my pocket without a case or screen protector. I've got a 6 month old n7 that I use all day long every day and which is constantly in and out of a neoprene sleeve that has a screen as good as the day I bought it, which hardly shows any finger prints and which I clean about once a month if that.
Contrast that to the 2 month old n4 that has half it's coating missing (although not in a pattern that could be caused solely by wear - it looks more like it was never applied correctly). I have to wipe the screen clean every time I use it and five minutes later it's filthy again, but only on one side - the other side is pristine. The dirty side is noticeably rougher too when swiping. In daylight the finger grease is enough to obscure the screen, so that I feel the need to clean it.
It's clearly either faulty or not fit for purpose. My gut feeling is that if applied correctly to a properly prepared screen, the coating should not wear off in normal use.
I really feel for you guys but there's no way to determine if x or y phones coating will wear off. I don't know if its the specific coating that Google uses or what but this has been known to happen on the nexus s and the galaxy nexus as well. As for your jeans... Jeans are actually very abrasive as they attract dirt and soot into the fibers and it acts almost like a strop on the glass repeatedly taking it in and out of your pocket.
I don't trust the glass on any of these devices and though the screen feels really nice on this phone... One of my RMA phones shipped with a big dot of a scratch or defect in the screen right from the factory. I never use any of these devices without a screen protector. I use bse as they mostly preserve the feel of the screen sans protector but if you want a less worn screen... On any phone I would suggest that be one of the first things you get for your phone.
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Links working enjoy the pics
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Mine's exactly the same even down to the not worn spot in the middle of the edge. From how I use and carry my phone there is no way this is caused by normal wear and tear. My replacement arrived this morning so I will see how it compares tonight.
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I think these little bugs are caused by the low price of the phone. reducing the costs of a phone causes bad quality...
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Picture from my old phone:
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Homescreenscrolling caused this
Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Strange. The Cruzerlite (which are thin TPU cases, cheap in my opinion) drop test stood up to NUMEROUS drops & the device survived without any sign of damage. Not a scratch or dent.
Is you device white or black? My old Nexus 10 had a defect in the black soft touch coating that looked like a dent, but it was more likely an issue in the molding or application process.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Pics?
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Mine is the white version, but the dent is on the top right above the camera, on the black portion, right where the side casing touches the glass. I would have a very hard time photographing this because of where it is on the phone/lighting etc.. ill try when I get home though.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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I have about 5 or so nicks on the sides where the glass and plastic edge meet on my naked white N5. I agree that the plastic used is pretty brittle but it's not noticeable unless you really look for it.
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Get a sufficient case otherwise you can't really complain...
I have one little mark or nick as well where the plastic case meets the glass on that tiny little lip. My 2 year old got a hold of my phone and dropped it on a metal external hard drive case the day I got it and it landed right on 90 degree edge of the case... I went temporarily insane. It is very small but kind of surprised me I guess. I dropped my galaxy S3 many times and never got more than the little hairline scratches you see in glossy plastic. That soft touch coating seems to have some give to it. It was my fault. My parents gave my kids a new ipad mini and I set my phone on top of it. I was in the other room and heard him say "new tablet". I knew at that moment the mistake I had made...
I have one of those really slim cases on the way which would have prevented it. I typically don't use cases and am usually not bothered by the small marks I get on my phones but because some of those ultra thin cases are so slim now days I am going to try one out. Marking up a brand new phone is a little different than one that's a year+ old...
I too, also have a slight dent under the screen bezel part of mine. I have never dropped mine. Noticed it while it was on the table; that the reflection of the curtain was slightly bent at the one area, instead of being completely straight. Looked closely, and sure enough, there was a dent. It's not noticeable during day-to-day use, but you CAN notice it if looking at the reflection it shows.
The chrome bezel on the nexus 4 was susceptible to dents as well.
A few weeks ago the Nexus 5 flew out of my hands and landed on our concrete driveway. I feared the worst, but only a small dent in the upper left corner of the back panel and some scratching is all that happened. Lucky me, but I still hate it. Never had a single blemish on the Nexus 4.
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even in the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear. It's also not the screen itself but around it.
Dented
In my N5 have no dent and any scratch..
I love with my N5
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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How is it even a defect? It's not even noticeable. No one would consider it a hardware bug except apparently you. Please explain how this effects the usage of your device in any way.
Poor quality control is EXACTLY how corners are cut. Manufacturing anything has margin of errors and the less margin of error you're willing to release the more phones are "thrown away" and the more money a released device will cost. I'd explain more but I'm sure Wikipedia or a Google search can better explain the finer points of manufacturing and quality control then I can.
You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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The actual cost break down might never be known. One thing is for sure though, LG is not willing to take any loss and whatever Google may have paid them "extra" they will still try and build the phone as cheap as they possibly can.
LG does not consider the Nexus as their flagship phone and will never treat it as such. It's a phone they were contracted to build and they will cut every corner they can. It's just business.
Hi,
I read few threads about build quality of the Samsung Note 4 but mostly I fount speculations and opinions not supported with facts. I am mechanical engineer and I like to think that I know few thinks about processes that are being used in modern industry.
I would like to focus on metal finish which was a decision maker to upgrade from Note 3.
When I first received my new Note 4, first think I did was not turning it on, but inspecting quality of the new body. After few minutes I already knew that there will be problems. I wasn't mistaken...
Lets sort one think up, because there was a big discussion about it in previous threads. Note 4 is not made out of metal. Main body of the smartphone is made purely out of plastic. To better understand it, remove back cover and remove S-pen. This Grayish plastic you see everywhere is actually the main frame of the smartphone. Visible metal sides of the phone as well, are plastic. Metal finish is only metallic coating. There are few processes that allow to cover plastic with metal and most generally it is called metallization. You may ask - so what? Important that it is looking and feeling good... I would completely agree with you if not for the fact that coating is ridiculously thin. I am very careful with my Note 4, but I don't use any covers and additional protection for device. After only few months after using my smartphone I saw first negative signs such as flaking off black metallic paint where the USB receptacle is. Once it stars it gets only worse. later on you have to be even more careful for flaking will continue even when you scratch it lightly with the nail. I would like to point as well, that under this black metallic paint there is plastic. If you expected metal you will be disappointed. Actual silver chamfers are a little bit thicker - around 0,2+-0,05mm. I am not a fan of Iphone but I appreciate real metal body. It bothers me when I see price of the device. I would expect to see real premium device instead of constant covering up with better materials plastic "Samsung madness". Don't think than I am a Samsung hater, because its completely opposite. I didn't change brand since Samsung Galaxy S, and I had all smartphones from Note series.
After Note 3 I'm disappointed by note 4. At least N3 wasn't pretending anything. Not only from build quality newest note is not a good successor of good old note 3 but from software point of view as well but that is topic for other thread.
I covered only one aspect of poor quality of the phone. There are more but to reduce the length of the post I wont describe them. I will mention only at the end that if you are looking for robust made phone this is not what you should look for. I have a feeling that device is made like this to look like **** after warranty period ends.
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The Note 4 is metal, here is a metal test of the frame:
https://youtu.be/d-7Yw_XXviI
Go spew your nonsense somewhere else.
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The black sides of my Note 4 are fine, no flacking, the USB and area surrounding it are also still fine. I have had my Note 4 since launch (got it 2days early). Used it for 8months with no cover, only recently put a cover as I wanted it to fee thicker and more substantial in hand and to protect it as I do drop it a lot.
Is he touching on the metallic coated chamfer or the actual side of the phone?
POLO_i780 said:
The Note 4 is metal, here is a metal test of the frame:
Go spew your nonsense somewhere else.
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The black sides of my Note 4 are fine, no flacking, the USB and area surrounding it are also still fine. I have had my Note 4 since launch (got it 2days early). Used it for 8months with no cover, only recently put a cover as I wanted it to fee thicker and more substantial in hand and to protect it as I do drop it a lot.
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Are you serious with this youtube clip, or it is a joke? I am not sure... He is touching 3cm apart of each other on metallic chamfer which I already said is metallic (if you would read carefully) thickens of the metal he check resistance of i approximately 0,2mm as I as well said before. if he would touch on left and right side there would be no conduction because chamfer are separated in exactly 4 individual points.
Your comment has no sens what so ever apart of some strange attitude.
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Is he touching on the metallic coated chamfer or the actual side of the phone?
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He touched both, 1st the chamfered side and then the side.
He did the video in response to another person who was claiming the Note 4 isn't metal, when in actual fact it is.
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He touched both, 1st the chamfered side and then the side.
He did the video in response to another person who was claiming the Note 4 isn't metal, when in actual fact it is.
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I see words them self do not convince you so pictures will have to (self made).
Few words of commentary if you do not understand. picture ***23 show where the coating ends (probably for antenna connection reasons).
Picture ***43 shows that in fact there is a conductivity, therefore metallic surface (like on youtube video you posted)
On picture ***53 you can clearly see that there is infinite resistance = no metallic connection
If you still do not believe on the picture ***22 you can see that housing is in fact non conductive = non metallic
Stop your nonsense argument please.
Rubenqben said:
I see words them self do not convince you so pictures will have to (self made).
Few words of commentary if you do not understand. picture ***23 show where the coating ends (probably for antenna connection reasons).
Picture ***43 shows that in fact there is a conductivity, therefore metallic surface (like on youtube video you posted)
On picture ***53 you can clearly see that there is infinite resistance = no metallic connection
If you still do not believe on the picture ***22 you can see that housing is in fact non conductive = non metallic
Stop your nonsense argument please.
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All you have proved is that there are parts of the frame that are not metal e.g. the USB area, where the antennas are and may I add where the 3.5mm jack is, this is party to be expected as even with my iPad these areas in particular will have some sort of plastic within.
The frame is mostly metal. Its winter down here and the frame gets icy cold to the touch vs. the back cover plastic and front glass.
You haven't really made any point, the Note 4 at the end of the day is a well built premium phone, in my experience, Samsung have ensured the areas that shouldn't be metal aren't you can actually see them e.g. around USB port is a tiny bump, same with where the antennas are.
People are not satisfied with anything nowadays...
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People are not satisfied with anything nowadays...
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Indeed.
I can't quite believe you guys are fighting over a mostly plastic phone. I agree with the first poster and what he has posted makes sense. I've also taken my note 4 apart and you can clearly tell it is mostly plastic with the exception being the coated chamfer which is coated with metal then painted and polished, as well as the screws. Ignoring the logic board which contains many elements your left with the screen and glass covering. To be short the phone is mostly plastic and not mostly metal like the users are trying to argue.
Plastic is very inefficient at blocking radio signals, I'm happy.
If it was all metal, someone would say that it is very heavy and signal is poor. If it was glass, people would say it is fragile and a fingerprint magnet. I believe our phone is an ideal blend of premium and other features. I personally love the faux leather back, it is much more robust than a real leathet or gloss plastic.
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If it was all metal, someone would say that it is very heavy and signal is poor. If it was glass, people would say it is fragile and a fingerprint magnet. I believe our phone is an ideal blend of premium and other features. I personally love the faux leather back, it is much more robust than a real leathet or gloss plastic.
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Exactly. This phone is very well built and blend of materials very well thought-out.
The faux leather is brilliant, mine still looks as good as new since launch, while many LG G4 Leather Back owners already have wear and tear within weeks of owning the phone.
While I do think that this is very well designed phone, op is right in his claim that there's not a lot of metal for someone who expected at least outer frame to be aluminum. He is right that under black metallic Paint is only white plastic.
Actually it is amazing how well they have managed to fuse aluminum chamfer, and only that (this is best visible when taking pen out and looking at the cross section). The supposed antenna breaks, on top and bottom, are purely for decoration, and to fool the users into thinking that sections are solid metal and evocative of iPhone of yesteryear that had those cutouts for a reason.
Altogether, there's probably not much more than 5 grams of aluminum on the whole frame. If even that much?
Im just glad that the paint finish on this phone is much more durable than s4 and s5, where even sweat would cause peeling of the fake chrome coating,provided you don't drop phone (it is true that once metallic paints start peeling on certain section, the process accelerates.
All that said, I do agree with polo_i780 last post absolutely.
Note 4 ?
To the op, are you sure your note 4 is not a fake? I mean no disrespect just that mine has been dropped and such without a case, has lots of scratches all around and it doesn't flake as you say. I just tried scratching it with my nails and.... nothing.
If it does indeed have an insanely thin coating then no way would the frame get icy cold as the other poster said (mine does this).
My note 3 never felt like this. Also you're wrong the note 3 did pretend to be something. A leather notebook with the rear cover. But I actually preferred that cover instead of this one lol.
Either way no company is going to please everyone.
I kind of agree with the original poster. There's something "missing" in build quality on the N4, it just doesn't feel as premium as the metal flagships or even the S6. I think it's almost a half and half like Samsung were half way through redesigning their handsets the N4 is the result. I'm not saying it feels cheap or it isn't a nice design, I just don't think it feels like a full premium design.
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Disagree. This phone is designed very well. I don't care for metal.
The OP's analysis perfectly describes the very well known problem of the N4's "metal" sides getting very scratched up due solely to the use of certain cases. If you've just recently picked up an N4, search the forum for "scratched metal" and you'll see no shortage of threads where the issue is mentioned (my search for topics with those terms from the main page of the N4 forum yielded 84 results).
@Rubenqben if the edges have become annoyingly scratched, there's a DIY fix that also protects the edges from future damage involving metal polish. Very detailed instructions w/ pics can be found via search, IIRC there have been a few guides in the "General" subforum. I've done this to my device that's now about 7 months old and the edges are even shinier than they were before removing the plastic from the phone (it should be noted that using metal polish on the edges lightens the metal color a few "shades", likely dependent on the specific product that you use... not in a bad way IMO, I actually think that mine looks better with the "Blue Magic Metal Polish Cream" from Amazon).
Now should it be necessary to use potentially damaging chemicals on a $$$ phone so that the edges don't get scratched up by a protective case?
I'm curious what other build quality issues you've discovered that were alluded to in the OP? I've been happy with my N4 overall, but I've definitely encountered some issues that seem like they can only be traced back to hardware design flaws... I'm no engineer though so I'm interested in your other findings :good:
My note 4 is fine its metal and the paint doesnt chip so did you buy a knock off phone.
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jazzmachine said:
the op's analysis perfectly describes the very well known problem of the n4's "metal" sides getting very scratched up due solely to the use of certain cases. If you've just recently picked up an n4, search the forum for "scratched metal" and you'll see no shortage of threads where the issue is mentioned (my search for topics with those terms from the main page of the n4 forum yielded 84 results).
@rubenqben if the edges have become annoyingly scratched, there's a diy fix that also protects the edges from future damage involving metal polish. Very detailed instructions w/ pics can be found via search, iirc there have been a few guides in the "general" subforum.
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I couldn't agree more. I had a Note 3 and with the exact care and usage it was perfectly fine whereas my Note 4 has scratches on the metal sides! Yes the metal sides looks better but they also loves to be scratched, without even trying to, just by changing covers and cases! Even the Samsung Protective cover wasn't able to prevent the scratches! With S6 Samsung has hardened/improved the metal so hopefully Note 5 will not have any metal issues like Note 4. Btw, can you share the exact guide you tested and confirmed it works? Thank you!