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[Q] Hi all! quick question...

hi guys,
with the demise of my beloved HD2 going the poor way of the dodo and the fact that for the last year ive stuck with WP7, i decided to bite the bullet and spend a "fraction" more (?!?) on a real WP7 device, aka the Focus S rather than the "slightly" cheaper HD2
So anyhow, since this is a somewhat smaller community than the HD2 i figured id say hello to you all.
now my device is winging its way over the pond at the mo so i dont actually have it but im interested in knowing what we DONT know about it.
yup, i see plenty of threads on inter-op and dev unlock, SIM unlock, de branding, MMS AND ICS im interested in what doesnt work correctly or the way we want it

Everything except ICS worked out of the box for me so I ran WinTT to enable internet sharing with the default settings and it worked like a charm. Welcome aboard I just got my Focus S about a week ago as well.
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64GUNSHIP said:
Everything except ICS worked out of the box for me so I ran WinTT to enable internet sharing with the default settings and it worked like a charm. Welcome aboard I just got my Focus S about a week ago as well.
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cheers mate, looks like its going to be about a week before I get my hands on it, kind of hoping the HD2 holds out that long!
I see DFT gave the Original Focus some of their magic, Is there any news of it happening here as well?
Id read a review that said the Focus S had a dim screen, is that true, or are they just being picky?

No custom ROM's for the Focus S yet as there is no unlocked bootloader
But you can use WP7 Root Tools for root access (the developer is also close to releasing a version enabling full native access, so custom ROM's wouldn't really be needed after that anyway).
The auto display intensity setting makes the screen maybe a tad darker in a dark room than you'd like it to but I don't find it too bad. You can set the brightness manually or turn the auto-intensity off. When you're in sunlight, the screen is definitely bright enough to easily read. I guess the review you read was written by some idiot who doesn't even know how to change brightness settings lol.

64GUNSHIP said:
No custom ROM's for the Focus S yet as there is no unlocked bootloader
But you can use WP7 Root Tools for root access (the developer is also close to releasing a version enabling full native access, so custom ROM's wouldn't really be needed after that anyway).
The auto display intensity setting makes the screen maybe a tad darker in a dark room than you'd like it to but I don't find it too bad. You can set the brightness manually or turn the auto-intensity off. When you're in sunlight, the screen is definitely bright enough to easily read. I guess the review you read was written by some idiot who doesn't even know how to change brightness settings lol.
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ah auto brightness! there was me thinking it was just a HD2 issue, cool, that's good to know thanks.
as for custom ROMs I agree, the need for changing ROMs is a lot less than it used to be although from time to time some "patches" will only work if cooked in from the start even on a fully unlocked device.
im not too bothered about custom ROMS to be honest, if I was id have brought another HD2, but there are some very handy tools that would be useful but needs full unlock
So are there many folk on this forum then, lots of views on this post but only 1 person replied

I'm not sure.. Haven't posts here much myself.. I stick to the main WP7 areas mostly
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64GUNSHIP said:
I'm not sure.. Haven't posts here much myself.. I stick to the main WP7 areas mostly
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So has anyone seen or had any issues with the i937 getting interop unlocked AFTER the zune 8107 update?
ive seen plenty of posts on the omnia 7/W not being interop unlockable after this 8107 update or more specifically the samsung part of it, (cab sending MS 8107 works fine)
and ive seen posts saying that other samsung devices may be effected but ive not found any posts of a Focus S having the problem, is this just because of a much more limited userbase or is it actually cool.
The more i read the more im starting to feel uncomfortable if it has been 8107 updated PRIOR to interop unlock, as far as i can tell, if it is then its essentially locked down solid.

My device came to me (used) with 8107 already on it. I used the WindowBreak method and it was interop unlocked in minutes.

64GUNSHIP said:
My device came to me (used) with 8107 already on it. I used the WindowBreak method and it was interop unlocked in minutes.
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that's good to know, cheers!

Yeah it's a great device, glad to hear you got one! These forums are extremely lonely though, if you really need support head over to http://forums.wpcentral.com/focus-s-4g/ WPCentral is phenomenal but I'm sure you knew that. XDA is really just for android.

jeffreygtab said:
Yeah it's a great device, glad to hear you got one! These forums are extremely lonely though, if you really need support head over to http://forums.wpcentral.com/focus-s-4g/ WPCentral is phenomenal but I'm sure you knew that. XDA is really just for android.
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cheers for that, there are still some great developers on here, but you are correct, its moved a lot further to the Green Robot in recent years. Something to remember is that it wasn't that long ago that we didn't have devices other than HTC, which does provide a bit of historical context to why the remaining WP developers mostly target HTC.

ah damn it, they sent me the wrong phone, anyone have any questions they want answered about the Focus Flash?, you've got a few hours before its getting returned.

How is the screen on the Focus Flash compared to Super Amoled Plus on the S?

Finally I have a Focus S in my possession! I don't have the battery yet and my IMEI unlock code hasn't arrived just yet either but with a bit of luck ill be up and running very soon!
Now what? well theres the mine field of upgrades to navigate but more importantly is to start speaking to some developers, esp some of the gods on here to see what, if anything we can do to help our own cause, lets face it folks, due to the AT&T lock in there aren't anywhere near enough people out there for developers to want to spend a lot of time on this so if we want unlocked devices etc we will likely need to chip in together to make it work, what do you guys think?

Raising awareness about major issu

At the current moment, there is no way to utilize the camera to its full extent. the autofocus sucks worse than a hungry hooker. There is a physical hardware capability to have manual focus. Unfortunately its hard/impossible to access this through the app development process. the drivers just arent groovy. there have been phones with this feature in the stock camera but they were not nexuses. we desperately need the ability to have manual focus in out camera apps

maybe u should try a "real" camera if you wanna use manual focus....
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anthonylancer said:
the drivers just arent groovy.
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Yeah, man, not like back at Woodstock, man. Peace and love, man. Pass the herb.

This isn't a major issue.

This isn't an issue, it's a phone not a camera. Please don't post the same subject in multiple threads as you have a question thread about this already open so use that one.
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[Q] Nexus 6 RAW (DNG) comparison

Has anyone done a RAW picture comparison similar to what has been done on the nexus 5 using lcamera? I am interested to see the highlight recovery and low light capability of the phone are. I have looked through the pictures thread and I am impressed with the quality I am just wondering how much further the sensor can be pushed.

questions go into the q&a section, not general.

Can you move it or delete it then?

rancor22 said:
Can you move it or delete it then?
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i requested that it get moved. it will, itll just take a little time. just continue with the thread, and eventually itll appear in the q&a section.
anyways, the l camera works on the nexus 6 as well. but i never use it. when shooting photos of animals and insects, it usually doesnt happen that i will have time to adjust the exposure/lighting on a mobile phone, so ive kepy away from it. sorry.

simms22 said:
i requested that it get moved. it will, itll just take a little time. just continue with the thread, and eventually itll appear in the q&a section.
anyways, the l camera works on the nexus 6 as well. but i never use it. when shooting photos of animals and insects, it usually doesnt happen that i will have time to adjust the exposure/lighting on a mobile phone, so ive kepy away from it. sorry.
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Thanks!

This article has some comparisons for you: http://phandroid.com/2014/12/08/android-lollipop-l-camera-comparison/

Camera 2.0 ported

Here it is camera 2.0 ported for 5.0.2... This took a lot of work, months of work to figure this out. Theoretically this should work on any 20.7 megapixel Xperia device running 5.0.2... Enjoy it... My Rom Is coming people... I've been very busy with school.
Flash in recovery
https://mega.nz/#!nE8ihK7b!9vk_AY7tnZ7Q80htdQhd-89PoqphOfUgYX--ajiZGZI

zachariahpope said:
Here it is camera 2.0 ported for 5.0.2... This took a lot of work, months of work to figure this out. Theoretically this should work on any 20.7 megapixel Xperia device running 5.0.2... Enjoy it... My Rom Is coming people... I've been very busy with school.
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https://mega.nz/#!nE8ihK7b!9vk_AY7tnZ7Q80htdQhd-89PoqphOfUgYX--ajiZGZI
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Are you using Internet Explorer Bro ?
Kidding...
BTW , it's already available in forum, Search a bit.

Black_Eyes said:
Are you using Internet Explorer Bro ?
Kidding...
BTW , it's already available in forum, Search a bit.
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I'm using my phone... And are you sure this has been available for 5.0.2? I know it's been available for 5.1.1 Lollipop for some time now...Because I'm pretty sure as of a month ago (that's around the last time I searched this topic) it wasn't working on 5.0.2 because people were getting Force Close errors on all the Camera 2.0 ports.. A couple of the devs even said 5.0.2 was impossible with this... but if you know of a recent 5.0.2 port that I don't know about, let me know.. It's not that I doubt you, I'd just like to see it for myself since I sunk a lot of time into getting this to work for our Lollipop version...Thanks!

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The Z3v is different from the rest of the Xperia line, and I've tried the port that was given out on the cross device board and it really does no one any good when you can't even open the camera anymore.

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telling a devloper to use the search button... you should know what your talking about before you post.
This is the only way to get camera 2.0 on the z3v. Or use the other ports and watch your camera not work anymore and force close.

GigaSPX said:
The Z3v is different from the rest of the Xperia line, and I've tried the port that was given out on the cross device board and it really does no one any good when you can't even open the camera anymore.
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Your other thread got Greg Bradlied

BladeRunner said:
Your other thread got Greg Bradlied
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Welp, at least the thread served it's original purpose.

BladeRunner said:
Your other thread got Greg Bradlied
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Where can I find a list of improvements that will be had specifically to the z3V over the original camera software?
Also, can you please tell us what is different than the other downloadable installation file that's floating around here? They have the same timestamp and are the same size. I'm not doubting, just trying to understand.
Mr. Bradley, please, for the love of God, don't lock this thread down too.

AddictedToGlass said:
Where can I find a list of improvements that will be had specifically to the z3V over the original camera software?
Also, can you please tell us what is different than the other downloadable installation file that's floating around here? They have the same timestamp and are the same size. I'm not doubting, just trying to understand.
Mr. Bradley, please, for the love of God, don't lock this thread down too.
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There are no list of improvements specific to our device model, this is just the updated Sony camera app(s) ported from the Z5 to work on our devices. I wasn't aware there was another flashable camera port for the Z3v floating around here... Please link me to it. I assure you, you have nothing to risk by flashing this and that I am the original developer of this port... No one else by my knowledge should be circulating this file around for the Z3V or 5.0.2 in general. I'm making a flashable zip as we speak to revert back to the orginal camera should you not like the Camera 2.0's interface... I'm also working on an updated version of this port that will provide some camera improvements. When I'm done with both zips they will be posted in the OP along with some cleanup and screenshots. Thank you for your questions, it's great to ask questions... that's how we learn.. And its always good to know as much as possible before flashing anything to our phones. Should you have any more questions feel free to ask and I hope you enjoy the MOD.

Nope, not the same. When Mega DLs I end up with two of everything. Previous download zips were moved to my card and is the z5 2.0 at 10.5mb.
Will try this later and look for differences.

AddictedToGlass said:
Nope, not the same. When Mega DLs I end up with two of everything. Previous download zips were moved to my card and is the z5 2.0 at 10.5mb.
Will try this later and look for differences.
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Would you mind linking me to this other zip you're referring to? Thank you ��
EDIT: Nevermind I can tell by the size of the file you must be referring to one of the other Camera 2.0 ports here on XDA. You can try flashing those at your own risk if you'd like, but I'd kindly like to warn you ahead of time, those do not work on Lollipop 5.0.2... The reason my port is larger in file size is because the framework ported from 5.1.1 as well as permission files to run Camera 2.0 are included. It is worth noting however, you can flash any other Camera 2.0 port AFTER flashing mine and they'll work since mine installs the correct framework and permissions that are necessary.

Zach,
Thanks for putting this together. I've installed it on rooted 5.02 and it's running well. Note that a couple boots were required after TWRP install and the user will get an overheat if trying to use the camera immediately but after the phone acclimates it is just fine.

I had downloaded the z5 zip not understanding that the z3V was the only one not on the list. I actually almost installed it until I read that it could brick the phone.
The UI seems a bit fiddly but I guess each has it's learning curve. I took random dim indoor shots, including some macros, before and after in the sensors native 4:3 aspect ratio at 20.7MP usingthe original and your ported 2.0, but using Camera FV-5. I didn't tripod the phone or run any real range, just point & shoot of 28 shots all the same objects from the same spot.
So far I have not noticed a significant difference and when the photos are zoomed in on they show the same muddled look from what appears to be the same overcorrective software (I'm sure Sony didn't change that). I've read that the z5 camera hardware is identical to the z3V.
I'll put her on a tripod this weekend and do some real testing.
The original camera zip will make flipping back and forth easier for comparison testing.
Thanks for making this happen!

Thank you so very much for your time and effort to get this working for our device

So how many of us have actually installed this ROM? Is it worth ditching the setup we have right now? I mean I don't really know how this could provide better performance if Sony hasn't updated any soft for our phones camera. I could understand manual modes might provide greater ability to change fine settings, but point and shoot quality and overall use ability is was I am concerned about.

First off, it's not a ROM, it's technically just a mod. Secondly, Sony supposedly did update the software, and because the camera hardware in our z3V phones are identical to those of the z5 which was released with this updated software, it will do the same thing and be perfectly installable without having to port it. -And it is, on nearly every single z model but ours because the z3V is a Verizon Sony step child.
The UI is MOSTLY what's new and improved, but lower light shots do seem to be rendered better by the software. The ISO limits haven't changed and I doubt that Sony did something to alter their interpolation software, but something does seem different.
Until I can easily switch back and forth without having to flash to an entire restore that's 12Gb (in other words, simply flash back to the original camera as a zip), I'm not going to bother with tripod testing. Once I can do that, I will take shots with a tripod in varying light using the old and new camera zips and examine the shots and exif data. It could simply be that in manual mode the software defaults to better settings. I'm guessing that it's the default values values in lower light situations that have been changed, if anything.
At first I didn't like the user interface just because I wasn't used to it. But now I find I'm actually using it more than I used the old one (I normally use FV-5). It is a one handed, portrait friendly UI.
I highly recommend this mod. Simply make a backup and install it. You can always revert back to the old one via your backup or you could wait for zachariahpope to release the original as an installable zip.

I found I minor bug. The front camera wants to stay on manual. If you switch to superior auto, the camera closes.

JediDru said:
I found I minor bug. The front camera wants to stay on manual. If you switch to superior auto, the camera closes.
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Yup. Sure does.

GigaSPX said:
Welp, at least the thread served it's original purpose.
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Yup. Sure does.
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Strange. Mine doesn't crash when switching to superior auto with the front camera.
Edit: It does if I try to switch while using the front camera. If I switch to Superior Auto for the rear camera and then switch to front camera it is fine.

[Discussion] Open Source, image post-processing algorithm.

Keeping the sensor parameters aside, can we expect an open-source take on the post-processing for smartphone cameras? This code can be modified as needed and can be incorporated into custom roms. Thus eliminating the reliance on the OEMs for the updates.
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I'm no camera expert, but, doesn't post processing depend on a individual camera module? I think all custom rom developers can contribute together on a particular camera module for the phone (like, for oneplus 3, all custom rom developers for oneplus3 can contribute together on the camera module, which then, they can integrate into their individual roms, as you are suggesting!). But, I've noticed that custom rom developers are less interested in camera of the phones (argument being, if you need professional quality photographs, buy a DSLR, which doesn't make sense to me.) I hope it changes.

Yes you are right. Devs should understand that, we don't expect DSLR level photos but atleast we can expect the quality to be on par with the stock factory rom. That way, migrating to a custom rom wouldn't be that much of a pain.
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We have seen OP's over aggressive approach to noise reduction leading to very soft images resulting in a loss of details. If devs could tune down the noise reduction a bit, might give better results.
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Hello,
I created a thread where I uploaded some pictures (4 sets). I took them side-by-side using both Official/Stock OxygenOS Camera as well as the Ported OxygenOS Camera. And the original photos were also uploaded.
I am interested in knowing how far (or near/identical) the quality really is (this is not a technical/scientific experiment, but more on just visual inspection of the photos). I am inviting people to participate and let me know what they think by voting in the thread.
Here is the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/poll-tell-difference-ported-oos-camera-t3574805
I will reveal the answers when the poll closes.

topet2k12001 said:
Hello,
I created a thread where I uploaded some pictures (4 sets). I took them side-by-side using both Official/Stock OxygenOS Camera as well as the Ported OxygenOS Camera. And the original photos were also uploaded.
I am interested in knowing how far (or near/identical) the quality really is (this is not a technical/scientific experiment, but more on just visual inspection of the photos). I am inviting people to participate and let me know what they think by voting in the thread.
Here is the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/poll-tell-difference-ported-oos-camera-t3574805
I will reveal the answers when the poll closes.
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Hello, Well, I'am aware of your poll but the problem is I couldn't find any pictures in Gdrive.
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navneetsoni11 said:
Hello, Well, I'am aware of your poll but the problem is I couldn't find any pictures in Gdrive.
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Hi,
Thanks for letting me know. Someone else responded in that thread around 2pm so it looks like the pictures are available for viewing without problems.
When you click the link (from the polling thread), you will see four folders - one folder = 1 Set for comparison. You will need to open the folders to see the pictures.
Here's the link once again: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxHcXHUSGaDDUXRoVk1WcGhxWWM
Hope you can try it out and try to see the difference. Looking forward to it!

Thanks man, now I can see the pics.
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navneetsoni11 said:
Thanks man, now I can see the pics.
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Great to hear. If you have the time, please try to vote and comment in the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/poll-tell-difference-ported-oos-camera-t3574805
...so that I can add your vote.

navneetsoni11 said:
Yes you are right. Devs should understand that, we don't expect DSLR level photos but atleast we can expect the quality to be on par with the stock factory rom. That way, migrating to a custom rom wouldn't be that much of a pain.
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That makes no sense what's so ever. This is the difference between closed sourced and open sourced drivers and such. You can't expect the same quality from devs that do this for free without the use of documentation from the camera maker, to companies that can spend millions in developing camera software.
This is something you have to weigh. Understand the trade off. There is a price to pay for being on open source software and sometimes it is more then people are willing to pay. Which is OK.

topet2k12001 said:
Great to hear. If you have the time, please try to vote and comment in the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/poll-tell-difference-ported-oos-camera-t3574805
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I did cast my vote, however it was challenging to find which was shot with stock or port. Therefore you should add a "Can't tell" option (just a suggestion).
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navneetsoni11 said:
I did cast my vote, however it was challenging to find which was shot with stock or port. Therefore you should add a "Can't tell" option (just a suggestion).
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Thanks for casting your vote, @navneetsoni11.
I realized too late that XDA's polling system allows for only a single vote, and the only way to edit it would be to make a request to a Forum Moderator. Also the poll is about to end on the 17th. I'll assess if it will still be feasible to have it added.