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My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
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All good and valid points but you need to keep in mind that this wasn't intended to be anything more than a book reader with internet access. It is a direct competitor to Kindle not any Android tablets out there. Hence the stripped down OS. Out of the box this is a pretty neat device. Rooted, it opens itself up to a world of possibilities.
I suspect that the BN people wouldn't be too pleased to see people walking around with the Android Kindle app running on their Nook
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My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
Woody
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If you haven't realize already, BN sold the NC as an eReader not a tablet. If they sell it as a tablet with this specs, it wouldn't cost $250. It would be a lot more, like $400.
B&N marketed it as a reader - it doesnt change the fact that its still one of the best tablets out on the market. In this day and age, anyone who thinks their android powered devices arent going to be opened up past what they were configured to do from stock is foolish.
After talking to a manager at my local B&N Store, she told me that B&N is opening up a B&N Market for the NOOKColor. End of January.
Now the question, will the b&n app maket be closed to the us only like ther bookstore or will it be truly open?
How else would you get such good hardware for $250? B&N wants you to buy content from them so they can make some money, not other sources. That's why they have to have control. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nook Color was at least $300-400.
the softbuttons fix on the dev pages will alleviate the no exit pain.
But the reason this is not an "open" device is exactly what people have said above.....BN locked it down so you have to buy their books....that's how they can offer such an amazing piece of HW at such a low cost.
LOSS LEADER!
I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)
No matter the reason its simply the nook color appeals to people who want a little more out of an E-Reader. I originally bought mine JUST because I liked the E-Reader aspect and the Internet aspect... None of the root stuff made a big deal with me (infact I only added them because I like widgets) but if it was a "real" tablet, wouldnt it have the market place, which if i recall sorts apps by modules on your phone... so if you cant install something lets say "Dungeon Hunter HD" it wont appear in "the app store" dispite it being there. so... Wouldnt that make your point invalid for the most part?
as far as why they wanted a E-Reader to appeal to a mass market which had a bit more than the normal and gives you a little emph
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I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)
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Man, I totally get your pain. Too bad the e-reader market didn't mature until I basically graduated (though part of it was my fault too, kind of forgot about books with all the booze, parties and school, a shame really). And I had to switch dorms every year too.
From the teardowns I've seen the NOOKcolor isn't a loss leader per se, but there's barely any profit in it either. *shrug* B&N isn't The 'Charitable Foundation for the Promotion of Tablet Computing and Fair Use of Electronic Devices' - they're a Fortune 500 company, at that.
Was browsing through and saw this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939589
Went to it and just saw an update at CNET.
"Update: The latest rumor, once again courtesy of Good E-Reader, is that the reason for the temporary unavailability is that Barnes & Noble is in the process of installing an anti-rooting "fix" for the Nook Color because people have been hacking the device to run a custom version of the Android-based firmware. That custom firmware allows users to access and download apps from the Android Marketplace, including competing e-reading apps such as Kindle and Kobo. If a significant percentage of Nook Color buyers are doing this, it presents a problem for Barnes & Noble (Sony doesn't like to talk about it but it had major issues with the PSP being hacked). Good E-Reader cites a "Barnes & Noble source" in mentioning the rumor, but to be clear, we don't know if there's any truth to it or not, and we're not sure how Barnes & Noble would truly be able to lock the device down."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20030475-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Watcha think? Fact or Fiction?
Fiction. The NOOKcolor has WAY too many hardware issues. I went through 4 NC's to get a good screen. My latest works but the USB is near impossible to plug-in. I have to maneuver it so it's plugged in at an angle and then it finally slips in and begins charging. I really believe this is a quiet hardware recall. Even the BN Associate at store told me they rushed these things out because they knew how great the demand was.
Besides, what could they possibly do to stop the rooting of these devices? That would involve a hardware modification. And why would they shoot their golden goose? It's not like it's costing them 3G data, the fact this thing can be a Android Tablet is THEE reason so many are selling. It's not like we're all avid readers.
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Was browsing through and saw this thread.
Watcha think? Fact or Fiction?
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Are you really this stupid?
The Nook Color can be rooted and Kindle reader can be installed. So let's say a random dude is deciding between a Kindle and a Nook Color. He can get a Kindle and read Kindle books or get a Nook Color, root it, read BN books AND Kindle books. Guess what, BN just got another $249.
AYRTS?
I was thinkin' along the same lines. And from what I've read through the forums. Most people that root their devices end up downloading the B&N Nook Shop app to use anyways.
I gotta admit that it would be really silly for them to lock it down. They have probably made more sales in the fact that it makes such a great inexpensive android tablet alone. To lock it down would kill sales in one major area where they are most likely racking in the most money.
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Are you really this stupid?
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Wow, God forbid he ask other people's opinions. I guess he should rely on the clear headed logical thinking of corporate America. Why don't we all have that level of faith in businesses to do the right thing?
Go take a cold shower.
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Are you really this stupid?
The Nook Color can be rooted and Kindle reader can be installed. So let's say a random dude is deciding between a Kindle and a Nook Color. He can get a Kindle and read Kindle books or get a Nook Color, root it, read BN books AND Kindle books. Guess what, BN just got another $249.
AYRTS?
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Really? If I am coming off as "AYRTS"
Then let me apologize for trying to start a conversation amongst the wonderful community that we have here at XDA. No need to go that route.
But I do appreciate your input. Thank you.
Realistically, how many generic end users, the ACTUAL target audience for an e-reader, is going to root and screw around with the device..? Way less than 1%, probably not even 1/10th of that.......
The people who DO probably bought the device BECAUSE it can be played with which means B+N got more hardware sales.
B+N sells books, they don't have an "App Store" or it's ilk so no revenue stream there and consequently no real financial incentive for the ever futile attempts to stop jail breaking as performed by a certain fruit themed company.
I have rooted and played with my NC AND bought books from B+N and will continue to do so. F*king people like me off is all downside for them.
Now that doesn't mean some suit in Marketing and Sales at B+N with an MBA and a serious coke habit wouldn't get a stiffie by screwing over the buying public.......
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B+N sells books, they don't have an "App Store" or it's ilk so no revenue stream there and consequently no real financial incentive for the ever futile attempts to stop jail breaking as performed by a certain fruit themed company.
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B&N actually has plans to start an App Store. So maybe they are concerned about the competition. But still, like you mentioned the number of people who root it are far less than the people who bought an eReader. Hell, I bought the eReader and found out about it's potential later. 95% of people are never going to do anything to it but get the B&N updates.
Source: http://techpinger.com/2010/12/barnes-and-noble-nook-color-app-store-coming-in-early-2011/
Yes, it's a terrible source but I've read it elsewhere too.
On top of that, there's also the question of how much profit they make by selling the eBook reader by itself. And they also don't have to support rooted users.
My whole family pretty much has a nook color. And we all purchased it without knowing the fact that it could be rooted. But after I rooted mine. Everyone wanted theirs rooted as well. I have mine running Nookie Froyo. And I still buy my books from B&N. The rest of my family is on the stock rooted and they love the device that much more. And they too use the B&N shop. They just enjoy the extra features this little device is capable of performing.
As "everalm" put it. "F*king people like me off is all downside for them."
I'll second that notion.
How hard would it be to strap us with eFuze?
Homer
Honestly, it would be in BN's best interest to do this. Having Kindle, Kobo, Amazon, etc.... all on one device with a 7 inch screen is awesome for the consumer and terrible for BN. Plus, when they roll out their app store, they'd have to compete with the Google Marketplace plus any 3rd party sources. They don't want to do this and I can't blame them. Why would you want Amazon competing with you on your own (supposedly proprietary) device?
@ anon
Simple cost/benefit analysis
How many sales are B+N ACTUALLY losing when less than 1% of NC's are rooted AND most of those people are still buying from B+N..?
How much time, effort and energy will B+N have to buy from OTHER people to try and block rooting etc.....?
How often will they then have to do it AGAIN when their blocking gets broken AGAIN...?
Rinse and repeat
Remember B+N make money ON BOOK SALES, their profit on that is waaaaaay higher than some poxy App Store that would never compete with Google Market
All downside, no upside
As I posted in another thread, B&N has a huge problem with NookColor microUSB's and I suspect the factory has made a 'running change' to the microUSB and now has a temporary parts shortage .. eating all those microUSB returns has gotta hurt plus it is creating a potentially large 'refurb' market that will drain new unit sales ... as others have said and other device suppliers have learned, blocking root consumes lots of resources but always fails ... but really who knows what they are doing ..
I want to say this -
For one, i think people are downplaying the "XDA Effect". The rooted NC booting honeycomb didn't just make "geek" news, it made mainstream news, and got ALOT of people interested. I suspect it is easily more than 1%. And of that new interest, very little of it will be in the actual "eReader" portion. Which brings me to my second point..
The hardware in our nook is not cheap people, and we need to understand that. Yes, there are build issues, but lets put that aside, and look at just the hardware. We have:
A 7" 1024x600 IPS screen - This is NOT cheap; can you think of any other device this cheap that has such a high quality screen?
A Ti OMAP3621 CPU
PowerVR SGX530 GPU
8GB Flash ROM
512MB RAM
4000mAh battery
802.11 b/g/n wifi
Quite honestly, this thing easily matches consumer cell phones in specs (Droid incredible, Droid X/2). That may not sound good at first, but keep in mind, the retail on those cell phones is $450-500+... There are very few devices with these specs for this cheap.
Which all of this leads me to think - the hardware itself is a loss leader. B&N is expecting users to buy these, and then buy plenty of books to make their profit. If the numbers of these devices sold keep rising, but no associated B&N book sales come in, i would not be surprised if they feel that they have to do something.
Now, i think they will be making the biggest mistake they could possibly be making IF they did lock it down with an eFuse, as word of mouth from disgruntled buyers is hard to kill. It is easy to look past some build quality issues BECAUSE of just how versatile the device is otherwise. If you take that away, you might find bigger problems....
For some reason I don't see the inventory nor engineering available to fix this issue in 2 weeks.
Do you really think this company has the resources to design / build / deploy and retrofit a hardware solution? With little to no internal or beta testing? In a 2 week timespan? "Hey Mr. chip supplier, I need 2 million of these efuses made for my hardware overnight, I'll pay the additional shipping, kthnx".
Lets say they go the hardware lockout way and they make one tiny mistake this next 2 weeks, suddenly ALL the nooks are dead.
If anything it will be a software solution, making sure they are updating all nooks to a "unrootable" OS that will be promptly hacked by XDA in less then a week.
If anything they will design better hardware lockouts (ala Motorola) for the next generation Nook.
I'm hoping at least, I was waiting on a paycheck at the end of this week to free up enough money to run down to my local B+N and pick up a NC for the explicit reason of running 3.0.
So I've been putting off getting the NC for a while, but if there is ANY chance this could lead to serious setbacks in the rooting process I might be motivated to go get one immediately. And I realize the rationale behind B&N NOT trying to block root access, but I know first hand how little rationality goes into some of these major corporate decisions.
I might at least grab one, then keep an eye out for news during the 14-day return period. If there's a major fix or break that might help me decide whether or not to exchange or keep.
Thoughts?
Re: BN blocking rooting - This is a good thought but i'd say people who root probably make up < 5% of nc buyers
As to whether they will fix the hw - very unlikely they will physically change 100k let alone 500k units located in mmany different locations
I think the hold is to wait until some sotware is ready they can push as people turn on their nc for the first time
Miht it be some tie in between the market and the bn shop? Would make sense they get a cut of items sold on the market usin their device rooted or not
You do realize that nothing says they have to retrofit all the old devices in two weeks right? ***IF*** they were planning on something like this, it is possible it has been in the pipes for longer, and that NEW hardware is just replacing the old.
No, i don't believe they are doing this at all, but to say it is impossible is also foolish..
Hello, all. I just purchased an unactivated Verizon Galaxy Tab 7" this afternoon; and after lurking and reasearching on this site extensively to get my Sammy Fascinate on CM7, this was the first place I wanted to come to learn about my new tablet.
I'm a little confused, however by some of the model names I'm seeing - P1000, P101, etc. The only model number I find anywhere in the device or on the box is SCH-I800 (barcode sticker on box includes a BKV sufix). I have found something like 6 posts regarding the SCH-I800, but I'm wondering if there's another name this tablet goes by, or if the posts for SGTabs in general are applicable to my device. Any insight would certainly be appreciated.
I am considering making a petition to Amazon to provide a bootloader unlock for us. Should I do it? I don't think it would hurt to try.
Not to be negative but why do you think this tablet only cost $49.99, or $34.99 during black Friday? It's heavily subsidized to be use specifically only for Amazon. I would say that we here on XDA are a small percentage of consumer that is using the device to its full potential. Plus I'm sure the talented dev here will figure something soon. Just my 2 cents.
We already have CM and Slim running on the device.
If they wont unlock the bootloader for the Fire phone that was a major failure, why would they do it on this device?
There really is no point. Amazon would never want this. they want you to stay on stock fire os so you keep buying things from Amazon. that's how they can sell it for $35-$50
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OEMs allowing bootloader unlock is exclusively for developers....why would anyone be developing exclusively for Fire OS? Amazon has absolutely not one good reason to agree with us that it should be unlocked.
I mean, go for it, start the petition and I'll sign, I wish it was unlocked, but I'm not holding my breath even for a second on it actually making a single bit of difference.
As long as we have roms and recovery I'm happy...I'd be WAY happier with pure AOSP MM over any CM at all, but for a $35 tab that will run an open, rooted (at the very least) lollipop rom, I have absolutely nothing to complain about at all!!! Hell, I have a 7 inch, 2 year old, galaxy tab 3 sitting on my desk as we speak which is stuck on 4.1.1 and still sells for 2x used what this Fire tab does new.
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OEMs allowing bootloader unlock is exclusively for developers....why would anyone be developing exclusively for Fire OS? Amazon has absolutely not one good reason to agree with us that it should be unlocked.
I mean, go for it, start the petition and I'll sign, I wish it was unlocked, but I'm not holding my breath even for a second on it actually making a single bit of difference.
As long as we have roms and recovery I'm happy...I'd be WAY happier with pure AOSP MM over any CM at all, but for a $35 tab that will run an open, rooted (at the very least) lollipop rom, I have absolutely nothing to complain about at all!!! Hell, I have a 7 inch, 2 year old, galaxy tab 3 sitting on my desk as we speak which is stuck on 4.1.1 and still sells for 2x used what this Fire tab does new.
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Yeah I know. I'm just a firm believer in doing something instead of just sitting and watching others do it.
So I was thinking of buying a new Amazon Fire tablet. Thing is, I want root. Fortunately, my roommate has a tablet with 5.3..1.1 on it (and rooted). My roommate doesn't really care about root, and only has it because I rooted it for her when installing the Google Play Store.
Thing is, she likes her tablet being blue. And I want us to be able to tell them apart easily. So I had an idea: I would get a black one, and switch out the backs. She is fine with this.
Thing is, I notice the colors are different on the site now. Does that mean they've changed models? Either way, can you still swap the backs from the newer ones to the older ones of 5.3.1.1. vintage (2016, I think)?
Google wasn't any help, and I figured that, if anyone would know, it would be you guys. I bet some of you even have both and could check.
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So I was thinking of buying a new Amazon Fire tablet. Thing is, I want root. Fortunately, my roommate has a tablet with 5.3..1.1 on it (and rooted). My roommate doesn't really care about root, and only has it because I rooted it for her when installing the Google Play Store.
Thing is, she likes her tablet being blue. And I want us to be able to tell them apart easily. So I had an idea: I would get a black one, and switch out the backs. She is fine with this.
Thing is, I notice the colors are different on the site now. Does that mean they've changed models? Either way, can you still swap the backs from the newer ones to the older ones of 5.3.1.1. vintage (2016, I think)?
Google wasn't any help, and I figured that, if anyone would know, it would be you guys. I bet some of you even have both and could check.
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https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/ft-device-and-feature-specifications.html
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At first I read it one way, now I read it the other. Guess I'll just check the exact model of my roommate's one.
Are the backs for the 7th gen and 5th gen definitely different, despite the extremely similar specs?
trlkly said:
At first I read it one way, now I read it the other. Guess I'll just check the exact model of my roommate's one.
Are the backs for the 7th gen and 5th gen definitely different, despite the extremely similar specs?
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Button and port placement differ slightly; backs are not interchange between 5th and 7th gen models.