[Q] HTC Denying a warranty repair - advice - One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all,
HTC have been denying me a warranty repair on my HTC One because I installed a custom rom (android revolution).
Now, the phone died in it's stock state. It had software errors (random car mode launching, going into landscape on the homescreen, rebooting apps) so I installed android revolution to see if it would fix it. It didn't, and it turns out the PCB Main board needs replacing. By this point, I couldn't revert to stock, so I checked the warranty info thoroughly which doesn't explicitly prohibit the unlocking of the bootloader.
3 months later, they are still refusing to repair my handset simply because it has a custom bootloader on. I've done my research and posted on their Facebook pages (can't link as I'm a new user).
And I got a call just telling me I was wrong, essentially. I posted another one today (can't get the link to it for some reason) but it's on HTC's and HTC Australia's main page.
Any thoughts or advice?
Cheers

gabjam said:
so I checked the warranty info thoroughly which doesn't explicitly prohibit the unlocking of the bootloader.
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See in red.
In orange is their explanation why they might void your warranty.
HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. We have heard your voice and starting now, we will allow our bootloader to be unlocked for 2011 models going forward. Please keep an eye on this website for more details on which devices will be adding this feature. We are extremely pleased to see the energy and enthusiasm from our fans and loyal customers, and we are excited to see what you are capable of. HTC eagerly anticipates your innovations.
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty. Please note that unlocking your bootloader does not mean that you will be able to unlock the SIM lock. Unlocking your SIM lock is at the discretion of your operator/carrier and is not part of the bootloader unlocking scope.
Our devices have been designed with our hardware and software specifications in mind and unlocking the bootloader will change the software and may cause unexpected side effects. It is impossible for HTC to ensure the proper functioning of your device after this. In the worst case scenario, it is possible that your device may be physically damaged due to overheating or the behavior of your device might be altered including, but not limited to, hearing aid compatibility (HAC) and specific absorption rate (SAR) values.
Some content on your device may also be invalidated and cannot be accessed any more because of invalid DRM security keys. This includes content that you may have purchased through a 3rd party vendor and through HTC. Furthermore, although you will still be able to receive updates to your device via FOTA (“firmware over the air”), we do not guarantee that updating your device via FOTA will not render your device unusable. Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, due to some of our carrier customers concerns, certain models with specific restrictions may not be able to be unlocked. Please refer to our list of supported devices to see if your device is eligible for unlocking the bootloader.
We strongly suggest that you do not unlock the bootloader unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved. This is a technical procedure and the side effects could possibly necessitate repairs to your device not covered under warranty. If you are still interested in unlocking the bootloader, and you understand the consequences both to your device and to your warranty, then you may refer to the following pages where we have provided the unlocking instructions.
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http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
Its a well known fact that you must return your phone back to stock before sending your phone to repair under warranty. Also you shouldn't try to troubleshoot it yourself and take the risk to void the warranty if you still have one.
Its like opening a computer case to try to fix it yourself, then bringing back the computer to the store and asking them to repair it under warranty. They will see that little "void if removed" stickers is torn and will refuse to repair it, same for the "UNLOCKED" flag in the bootloader.
Sorry

Awesome thanks for your detailed reply!
I feel I'm a little in a grey area here as the hardware broke before I installed the ROM and much of their information relates to the warranty being voided if the ROM causes the damage. By the time I went to revert to stock the phone had deteriorated and wouldn't charge or connect to anything so I couldn't get it back in Stock condition.
The phrase 'resulting from or caused by' unlocking the bootloader seems to apply to damage caused by unlocking the phone, whereas mine broke under stock conditions. I was aware of the risks of unlocking the bootloader but as the problems initially manifested as software bugs my first thought was to change the software, by which point I couldn't revert back...

gabjam said:
Awesome thanks for your detailed reply!
I feel I'm a little in a grey area here as the hardware broke before I installed the ROM
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but you can't prove them that the problem started before unlocking the bootloader but they can prove that you have unlocked it so the warning above apply. Sad story but its how big corporations protect themselves. Hardware damage can really happen when using custom software (e.g. overclocking the cpu too much using a custom rom/kernel) so they need a way to invalid the warranty in these cases.
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gabjam said:
but as the problems initially manifested as software bugs
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But unfortunately this issue was probably caused by a defective usb port, most likely the ID pin shorted somewhere and triggering car mode, like if the phone was inserted in a car dock or something like this.

Yeah it was caused by a defective USB port - but it was still charging and connecting at the time so I initially thought buggy software. The USB port then deteriorated.
It would be easier for all parties involved if they simply stated that while they allow unlocking the bootloader, it will automatically void your warranty. Rather than all the ifs and mays around their disclaimers at the moment which are open to interpretation.
Thanks for your replies guys. I appreciate your time.

alray said:
but you can't prove them that the problem started before unlocking the bootloader but they can prove that you have unlocked it so the warning above apply. Sad story but its how big corporations protect themselves. Hardware damage can really happen when using custom software (e.g. overclocking the cpu too much using a custom rom/kernel) so they need a way to invalid the warranty in these cases.
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But unfortunately this issue was probably caused by a defective usb port, most likely the ID pin shorted somewhere and triggering car mode, like if the phone was inserted in a car dock or something like this.
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Just a thought - its easy to see how overclocking can damage the processing components or memory components etc, but realistically could they claim a custom rom could somehow damage the USB port?

gabjam said:
Just a thought - its easy to see how overclocking can damage the processing components or memory components etc, but realistically could they claim a custom rom could somehow damage the USB port?
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Overheating can damage any components including ports.

Make your phone full stock
Remove tempered
Lock bootloader not relock
For all of this you need S Off which may cost you $25

gabjam said:
Hi all,
HTC have been denying me a warranty repair on my HTC One because I installed a custom rom (android revolution).
Now, the phone died in it's stock state. It had software errors (random car mode launching, going into landscape on the homescreen, rebooting apps) so I installed android revolution to see if it would fix it. It didn't, and it turns out the PCB Main board needs replacing. By this point, I couldn't revert to stock, so I checked the warranty info thoroughly which doesn't explicitly prohibit the unlocking of the bootloader.
3 months later, they are still refusing to repair my handset simply because it has a custom bootloader on. I've done my research and posted on their Facebook pages (can't link as I'm a new user).
And I got a call just telling me I was wrong, essentially. I posted another one today (can't get the link to it for some reason) but it's on HTC's and HTC Australia's main page.
Any thoughts or advice?
Cheers
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Hi,
I have a good track record for complaining and winning so this is how I would approach the issue.
Firstly find the CEO for your regional office's name and email.
When you have nothing to lose go straight to the top it normally gets the quickest response!
Firstly explain (in an email to CEO) how you are a loyal customer to HTC and love the brand because of the flexibility and customisation acheived through this brand like no other.
You have followed the unlocking process exactly as described on the HTC dev site in an attempt to resolve an issue with your phone that developed earlier while still stock.
You realise this was a mistake now but feel let down by the brand that is technically more foward thinking than any other on the market.
You accept liability that your problem could be affiliated to the modifications you have made and may have jepordised your warranty but feel in some way HTC are partly accountable.
You could use this scenario,HTC gave you the keys to the candy store for you to browse and sample at your own convienience,however if you over step the mark in the shop you could be arrested.
No where in their T+C's does it provide an acceptable line to cross which seems a bit unfair.
They have waved a carrot in front of your nose,but snatched it away when it suited them when in their opinion you over stepped their threshold...which do no know is!
Could the company compromise on this occasion and perhaps meet you half way with the repair and take some accountability?
You really love the product and want to remain loyal but truly hoped their customer service would mirror their 1st class product.
Quite often companies like this will waiver bills and repair costs if they think you will remain a loyal customer and spread their name around.
Just think if they wasted a few hundred £'s on you you might influence several people to buy their brand by reputation which is the best marketing tool for any up and coming company.
As i say i have taken this route before and been honest but also expressed my dissapointment in a mature way and had positive results in less than 24hrs.
you could get a good discount which is better than nothing at all and you have nothing to lose at the moment!
Shepps

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[Q] HTC One Warrianty void if bootloader is unlocked?

I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
vick33 said:
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
vick33 said:
I have owned almost all nexus devices and some samsung, but i fall in love with the One. I read through some forum topics and the HTCDEV site and none of it was clear. If i unlock the bootloader all warrianty is void? I hope i am just misunderstood something. Unlocking the bootloader was never a problem with nexus or samsung devices why htc is making such a fuss about it? Please someone tell me i just misread stg.
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I'm not sure about nexus, but I assure you it is exactly the same with Samsung. I have owned many Samsung phones in the past. Unlocking your bootloader, on practically any manufacturers device will void your warranty. The HTC One Development edition ships with an unlocked bootloader, maybe try that?
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skinsfanbdh said:
just like when you root warranty is void same with all manufactures
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That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
vick33 said:
That is not true.
Nexus devices can be restored to factory settings with showing no signs of modifications. I have got nexus 7 replaced with faulty usb, and galaxy s3 with screen problems all had custom firmware before. Yes there you will have a yellow triangle, if you used no stock kernel, but you can easly remove that, going back to manufacturer state. And i asked asus if open bootloader is a problem for RMA as i cannot relock with the faulty usb they said why would it be?
sad to hear htc is different.. I want that one, but this is giving me second thoughts...
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It is true. Just because you can revert it doesn't mean it's not originally voided. If say your LED screen died and you sent it for warranty and you had no way to run triangle away due to that and they saw it, you would be getting a bill.
The only way to save your warranty on this device is s-off and that's not yet available.
If you don't like it go to the Samsung S4 which has such a locked down bootloader only one dev has achieved it and still hasn't released how he did it. So no root at all over there.
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Your entire warranty is NOT voided due to unlocking or rooting. What DOES happen is your placed under more scrutiny and you have voided the warranty to things you can adversely affect.
For instance:
You rooted and your camera ceases to function or your LED flash dies. Your covered. I wouldn't recommend sending it in running a ROM, stock would ensure they can fix and test it.
Your rooted and your screen dies. You are covered.
Your rooted and the entire phone dies out of the blue. You would be under scrutiny regarding it and they would examine it to see if something you did caused the failure. If it is purely hardware related then you should be covered, otherwise your liable.
This same situation is what people who mod cars have had to fight against (and won). How does an exhaust modification cause a window failure? Or how does a custom head unit cause an engine failure.
There has to be a direct unarguable connection between your modification and the failure, I just had this happen with my Galaxy Nexus. It died completely and it was modified to high heaven. They knew it was unlocked but it wasn't the cause of the failure so it was fixed under warranty.
And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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And BTW when you unlock your Nexus device it shows the exact same warning that the HTC unlocker software shows.
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It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
vick33 said:
It does not true. Check the images i attached. And if you read through the google site on the nexus it does not say any connection between the warrianty and unlocking the bootloader. Seems like every htc owner thinks other manufacturers have the same policy on bootloaders...
and altimax98 i just read a thread that htc refused tu replace a screen with yellow spots because of unlocked bootloader here is the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
I would love the HTC One as it is the most beautiful device i have ever seen but to keep it stok to have warrianty...
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dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
skinsfanbdh said:
dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
nullkill said:
Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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Exactly, they also use 'may void warranty' because there is no way they could make a comprehensive list of all the possible things that could void it. May is safety net of sorts to do exactly what nullkill said
skinsfanbdh said:
dude you need to do more research. samsung.htc.motorola.apple.lg,and google all say the same thing rooting,installing custom firmware, and unlocking bootloader may void warranty. if its not a manufacture defect they wont replace it. ive owned all of them and the message is always the same. it would be crazy for a company to sell you something with warranty and say do whatever you want with it and we will warranty for you
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So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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Um no it wouldn't. It would be crazy to sell a product and say you rooted that caused the defect. I have dealt with HTC and have sent many phones to them unlocked rooted with custom software and have not had any problem ever. Also please take a look at my signature had to make it to try and combat all the WRONG info out there. This is the USA we have rights when people care to inform themselves of them!
Also note how they always say "may void warranty" what they are really saying is if you do not know your rights we will be more than happy to screw you over as we are corporate and don't care about you at all.
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i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
skinsfanbdh said:
i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
vick33 said:
So i am happy that HTC does not manufacure my notebook ... As i could not live without root acces as a developer And all say the same thing? Where do you get that info i just read through the Nexus 4 warrianty manual plus checked the unlock screen again and it never mentions that i loose warrianty with unlock not in the 106 pages of the manual not on the unlock sreen i cared to paste in the previous post of me. So i think i did my part of research... you did not.. check 46 do you see any mention of the bootloader? check the unlock screen i pasted in the last post of me? Do you see any mention of voiding my warrianty? I dont... So please point me out where it is stated that unlocking the nexus 4 bootloader voids the warrianty!
http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGE960
And i am sad because of that "may" i am not sure they can lawfully say that. May is not specific. In a contract you cant use the word may...
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obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
consequently invalidate the warranty.
skinsfanbdh said:
obviously you didnt read this manual you just want to sound smart, but here it is right at the begining and both of your picks say something about voiding the warranty
Only authorized personnel should service the
phone and its accessories. Faulty installation
or service may result in accidents and
consequently invalidate the warranty.
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I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
skinsfanbdh said:
i dont think you understood what i was trying to say. i you do something that messes something up with the phone then its on you. if its something that fails on the phone that had nothing to do with custom software then they have to fix it. but you take the risk that if you brick it or something like that you foot the bill not the company.
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Yes you are very correct.
vick33 said:
But as i read through lost of thread seems like this is not the case. Sometimes htc refuses to cover obious hardware defects because of unlocked bootloader.. Yes you can kill harware with software but it is not that easy... yes you can overclock and you can raise the voltage, but if there is too much heat the cpu will starts throttling or even reboot, yes you can overvrite the bootloader with 0-s etc etc, but a simple root should not void your warrianty as it does not do on a notebook. my phone is faster then my wifes netbook why i cannot "own" the two devices the same way, both have cellular data and everything... almost same devices on harware side.
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You can but people do not know and assert their rights. I don't bother telling HTC my devices are unlocked or rooted I just state the problem and steps I have taken to fix it like a factory reset or whatever. HTC and every other company would love to invalidate as many warranties as possible it saves them money but you have to know what your rights are to assert them. The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
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The idea that rooting or bootloader unlocking or changing software in any way voids warranty is just plain crazy and in the USA we are legally protected from such craziness.
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I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
I think the keywords are "May void your warranty" so HTC can decide whether or not to cover you. I have had HTC devices and it's always a risk a person has to take with unlocking the bootloader. HTC using "May void your warranty" simple covers them, so it's up to them if they will cover it or not.
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I read and that is about hardware installation not software smart guy... i am not covered if i try to replace the screen at home... you clearly have problem of understanding written text. Read it more carefully out loudly then you may understand it
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really? it says nothing about hardware or software it just says installation which if you have ever dealt with contracts before its vague for a reason. i thought you started this thread for help in resolving something. seems to me that you already know everything and started this thread to boost your ego. not for help and opinions from other members who have dealt with these companys numerous times before.
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I feel the same way as an electrical and software engineer, but seems like it is a lottery and it they refuse to repair you can try to threaten them by telling them you will go to court, but that is not how it should work. And it is not how it is working with nexus devices as i can tell from my own experience. Thank you for your answers you seem like someone realy into this topic It made me a little less frustrated, but i still not know if i will jump on the htc bandwagon or not... I will try to contact the local htc service next week and will ask their opinion on the problem.
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I agree with you that it's crazy how these companies try and operate. On the Nexus side I am sure you can find reports of people sending in devices that were unlocked and them not honoring the warranty the thing that helped us (with samsung too) is we can remove all traces of what we did :highfive:. Which the fact we have to do that is a bit crazy. In a perfect world companies would honor consumer protection laws and they would be better enforced. I only know about this crap as I'm a cell phone addict longest I've had a device in the last 3 years is maybe 6 months I just can't help it. I'm trying to be good and stick with the ONE as HTC have always tended to be my favorite.
The reason I have faith in HTC is I sent a International HTC One X into HTC USA. First they didn't care it was a international model (try that with sammy and they will laugh at you). Second this was one of the very first One X's so it had the wifi/gps issue very very badly. It was originally a black unit but I didn't like that so I bought a white case and swapped it out. When doing that I discovered the attempted fixes to the wifi antenna. It looked like someone who was a hobbyist at best had solder little metal leads to make better contact with the antenna and it looked horrible. Well I sent that sucker in with the white case and what do you know HTC didn't say anything about the board being soldered on or the fact the case was white. I had told them the phone had been in for repair at carrier before and it helped but then the issue came back (I have no idea what happened to this phone as I was at least the 3rd person who it passed through it's now got a nice home with my friend still going perfect) and now it was acting up again. Not saying everyone will have this luck but if you are smart use your brain and know as much as possible it should help.

HTC = No warranty?

I bought a HTC One on April.
I am a student so this is important to me:
Cost: 660€ with urBeats headset. Paid 60€ and then I must pay 25€ each month for 2 years. Also 20€ per month for 2 years for Internet + unlimited calls in germany -> 45€/month
K.
On May I unlocked Bootloader. Then put a recovery. Then flashed a custom ROM.
I didn't like it so I flashed the original ROM back within 1-2 days
Ok.
Then 1 week ago the ONE died. It had original ROM on it and ofc unrooted.
Today they phoned me. Due to custom ROMS: No warranty.
I can pay 30€ to get the phone back unrepaired or they suggest me a amount of € I must pay to repair. This suggestion should be at my home in 1-2 days.
Nice eh? Never HTC for me.. No warranty with original ROM, yay!
where did you send it in for repair?
it is right that HTC behaves very rude if it comes to such topics, honestly i would have discussed with them, that in german law they have the need to proof that your custom rom/kernel... damaged the phone a way it would void the warranty (that is also the reason the HTC disclaimer has to say, that unlocking MAY void the warranty ...)
but in germany i never would send a phone to the manufacturer because the shop itself has to deliver a 2 year warranty. for example @ t-mobile store they remove all that can be removed (back cover, sd card if existant), send it in for repair and 24 hours later you already get your spare phone, your phone will not get analyzed until you try to switch it the third time, then they will make a test certificate.
Or did you really send it to O² and they said this to you? then i really would discuss this with the hotline and threaten them that you will change the carrier if they won´t behave like every other carrier ...
hlenforcer said:
where did you send it in for repair?
it is right that HTC behaves very rude if it comes to such topics, honestly i would have discussed with them, that in german law they have the need to proof that your custom rom/kernel... damaged the phone a way it would void the warranty (that is also the reason the HTC disclaimer has to say, that unlocking MAY void the warranty ...)
but in germany i never would send a phone to the manufacturer because the shop itself has to deliver a 2 year warranty. for example @ t-mobile store they remove all that can be removed (back cover, sd card if existant), send it in for repair and 24 hours later you already get your spare phone, your phone will not get analyzed until you try to switch it the third time, then they will make a test certificate.
Or did you really send it to O² and they said this to you? then i really would discuss this with the hotline and threaten them that you will change the carrier if they won´t behave like every other carrier ...
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I sent it to Arvato with some paper like warranty and stuff which o2 gave me to print and such...
I will go to o2 tomorrow and maybe I can get them giving me a new one...
Now I must use the freaking HTC wildfire.......
mmh if o² generally outsourced its repair service to this company and you signed this with your phone contract, then there would be nothing you can do about it besides to discuss german law with arvato ... if this is the case i just got a new reason to keep my more expansive t-mobile contract
edit: just checked it, they indeed outsourced their repairs to arvato and like i read it is the worst repair service available, so you have to discuss it with them
i only can give you the advice to dscuss the terms of german law regarding warranty and device modification and whish you good luck.
i read that it may help to request the boss if your concerns will be ignored (like it seems to happen more than often at this company ...)
uZzY94 said:
I bought a HTC One on April.
I am a student so this is important to me:
Cost: 660€ with urBeats headset. Paid 60€ and then I must pay 25€ each month for 2 years. Also 20€ per month for 2 years for Internet + unlimited calls in germany -> 45€/month
K.
On May I unlocked Bootloader. Then put a recovery. Then flashed a custom ROM.
I didn't like it so I flashed the original ROM back within 1-2 days
Ok.
Then 1 week ago the ONE died. It had original ROM on it and ofc unrooted.
Today they phoned me. Due to custom ROMS: No warranty.
I can pay 30€ to get the phone back unrepaired or they suggest me a amount of € I must pay to repair. This suggestion should be at my home in 1-2 days.
Nice eh? Never HTC for me.. No warranty with original ROM, yay!
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You mean you went through all that trouble and didn't read the part on HTCDEV that your warranty will be void should you unlock the phone? That's why people use their phones for a bit to make sure everythings alright, everythings working for a period of time and to wait for S-Off before doing any unlocking.
Regardless of what ROM you have on it, the bootloader will tell all if you are not S-Offed.
ArmedandDangerous said:
You mean you went through all that trouble and didn't read the part on HTCDEV that your warranty will be void should you unlock the phone? That's why people use their phones for a bit to make sure everythings alright, everythings working for a period of time and to wait for S-Off before doing any unlocking.
Regardless of what ROM you have on it, the bootloader will tell all if you are not S-Offed.
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You mean you have Posts: 1,112 and you still are spreading basic mis information. How do you belong to this forum and post so much without knowing the most basic information?
nullkill said:
You mean you have Posts: 1,112 and you still are spreading basic mis information. How do you belong to this forum and post so much without knowing the most basic information?
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What misinformation? It says right there on HTCDEV when you want to unlock your phone.
ArmedandDangerous said:
What misinformation? It says right there on HTCDEV when you want to unlock your phone.
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You can't sign away statutory rights. They can invalidate their warranty if they like, but they are still bound by consumer law.
BenPope said:
You can't sign away statutory rights. They can invalidate their warranty if they like, but they are still bound by consumer law.
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Depends on where you are, and where I'm from an unlocked bootloader is an instant reject. And if the damage caused from the unlocked bootloader, they have every right to reject your claim.
ArmedandDangerous said:
Depends on where you are, and where I'm from an unlocked bootloader is an instant reject. And if the damage caused from the unlocked bootloader, they have every right to reject your claim.
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The OP is in Germany, he's protected by consumer law.
ArmedandDangerous said:
What misinformation? It says right there on HTCDEV when you want to unlock your phone.
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Warranties are not voided by unlocking bootloaders flashing ROMs or kernels. Manufacturers can say whatever BS they wish but most of the world has consumer protections laws that specifically protect people from this sort of insanity. You own the device. It is a computer capable of doing more than what the manufactures will let you. It is your right to alter tinker and unlock the device in any way you like. Consumer protection laws protect us from manufacturers saying that would void our warranty. According to the law in his country and mine manufactures have to prove that the damage was caused by the user. Now we know for 100% software does not cause hardware to fail in our situations. You can say well he overclocked the CPU well in order for the CPU to die the hardware thermal monitoring would have to be broken which could not be caused by software. Considering we can not access the bootloader partitions or the kernel partition without a hardware failure it would be impossible to brick a device and could only happen with hardware failure.
Does it void the warranty of a Mac if I load windows. What about if I take a windows pc and I load a old version of windows or a custom modded version of windows??? What if I take a windows PC and load linux? My warranty is still intact and has to be honored as the computer were made to do all this just as our phones were made to run android both sense stock and custom. Running a OS on a computer or phone that was made for it or even one that isn't has no bearing on hardware failure and has been proven extensively.
nullkill said:
Warranties are not voided by unlocking bootloaders flashing ROMs or kernels. Manufacturers can say whatever BS they wish but most of the world has consumer protections laws that specifically protect people from this sort of insanity. You own the device. It is a computer capable of doing more than what the manufactures will let you. It is your right to alter tinker and unlock the device in any way you like. Consumer protection laws protect us from manufacturers saying that would void our warranty. According to the law in his country and mine manufactures have to prove that the damage was caused by the user. Now we know for 100% software does not cause hardware to fail in our situations. You can say well he overclocked the CPU well in order for the CPU to die the hardware thermal monitoring would have to be broken which could not be caused by software. Considering we can not access the bootloader partitions or the kernel partition without a hardware failure it would be impossible to brick a device and could only happen with hardware failure.
Does it void the warranty of a Mac if I load windows. What about if I take a windows pc and I load a old version of windows or a custom modded version of windows??? What if I take a windows PC and load linux? My warranty is still intact and has to be honored as the computer were made to do all this just as our phones were made to run android both sense stock and custom. Running a OS on a computer or phone that was made for it or even one that isn't has no bearing on hardware failure and has been proven extensively.
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The hardware thermal monitoring may not break, but with kernels like ElementalX with specific options to allow the phone to run hotter than allowed on stock, there is always a risk of damage.
No it does not void the warranty of a Mac if you install Windows, as bootcamp is provided for by Apple. Kernels and ROMS are NOT provided by HTC. Your warranty would be void should you overclock your GPU/RAM/CPU over long enough periods of time to cause damage unless the manufacturer you purchased those parts from explicitly says that it will cover those damage like EVGA and Intel with their K series chips. Just running a custom rom and installing kernels does not void your warranty, but if they can prove that it WAS caused by these factors, consider your warranty well and truly void.
I'm not advocating HTC's point of view, nor am I on the modder's side. Heck, my HoX has a dead NFC chip from BEFORE I unlocked my phone. Warranty got rejected, and consumer law isn't strong enough here that I can fight for it to be fixed. I'm just giving a different point of view so that everyone understands what HTC/local distributor/customers will and have faced.
Just out of curiosity (haven't rooted yet), is there any possibility of a root method that won't void warranty? That would mean not unlocking the bootloader, right? If bootloader is locked, could custom kernels still be flashed?
BenPope said:
The OP is in Germany, he's protected by consumer law.
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But wouldn't the clause on HTC about "you may void your warranty when you unlock the bootloader" take precedent first? I'm just asking.
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vokkE said:
Just out of curiosity (haven't rooted yet), is there any possibility of a root method that won't void warranty? That would mean not unlocking the bootloader, right? If bootloader is locked, could custom kernels still be flashed?
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Yes if we have S-OFF
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nullkill said:
Warranties are not voided by unlocking bootloaders flashing ROMs or kernels. Manufacturers can say whatever BS they wish but most of the world has consumer protections laws that specifically protect people from this sort of insanity. You own the device. It is a computer capable of doing more than what the manufactures will let you. It is your right to alter tinker and unlock the device in any way you like. Consumer protection laws protect us from manufacturers saying that would void our warranty. According to the law in his country and mine manufactures have to prove that the damage was caused by the user. Now we know for 100% software does not cause hardware to fail in our situations. You can say well he overclocked the CPU well in order for the CPU to die the hardware thermal monitoring would have to be broken which could not be caused by software. Considering we can not access the bootloader partitions or the kernel partition without a hardware failure it would be impossible to brick a device and could only happen with hardware failure.
Does it void the warranty of a Mac if I load windows. What about if I take a windows pc and I load a old version of windows or a custom modded version of windows??? What if I take a windows PC and load linux? My warranty is still intact and has to be honored as the computer were made to do all this just as our phones were made to run android both sense stock and custom. Running a OS on a computer or phone that was made for it or even one that isn't has no bearing on hardware failure and has been proven extensively.
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HTC specifically mentioned that you may void your warranty by unlocking it. That protects them from people flashing their phones. And the consumer should read the terms and conditions of owning any device. I'm not siding with HTC but they made it clear that you may void your warranty when you unlocked your bootloader. So basically they can decide whether or not it is covered under warranty for unlocked bootloaders.
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ArmedandDangerous said:
The hardware thermal monitoring may not break, but with kernels like ElementalX with specific options to allow the phone to run hotter than allowed on stock, there is always a risk of damage.
No it does not void the warranty of a Mac if you install Windows, as bootcamp is provided for by Apple. Kernels and ROMS are NOT provided by HTC. Your warranty would be void should you overclock your GPU/RAM/CPU over long enough periods of time to cause damage unless the manufacturer you purchased those parts from explicitly says that it will cover those damage like EVGA and Intel with their K series chips. Just running a custom rom and installing kernels does not void your warranty, but if they can prove that it WAS caused by these factors, consider your warranty well and truly void.
I'm not advocating HTC's point of view, nor am I on the modder's side. Heck, my HoX has a dead NFC chip from BEFORE I unlocked my phone. Warranty got rejected, and consumer law isn't strong enough here that I can fight for it to be fixed. I'm just giving a different point of view so that everyone understands what HTC/local distributor/customers will and have faced.
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Sorry I do not support your point of view. Your POV is that we can't do anything and that you shouldn't be informed. Your rights mean nothing unless you know them. The more people who know their rights and exercise them the less we will see companies behave in this way. I will not spread false information like rooting or unlocking voids warranties which is contrary to the LAW. I will not tell people well the company said this and you have to take it. I will tell people the truth and their rights and hope they use that knowledge to exercise their rights and make the companies behave in accordance with the law. Having people such as yourself who are only trying to help (the companies) by spreading false information that isn't true making the people feel like it's not possible and there fore helping the companies take advantage of people and break the law. That plain pisses me off.
As for thermal throttling you are not 100% correct. Yes you can adjust where thermal throttling kicks in you can not disable it. The SOC will straight shutdown when the phone hits a certain temperature and will not turn back on until the device has cooled. This is a thermal shutdown that would have to malfunction in order to damage a SoC.
I understand you had a bad experience but that was due to your lack of knowledge about the laws and how to deal with companies/manufacturers and I would prefer you didn't share that kind of info with people allowing the manufactures to continue to screw us over. Good JOB!!!
And last Kernels and ROMS are provided by HTC (not well as they have some problems complying with open source). HTC and ever other manufactuer is required to provide complete source code for kernels and ROMS.
I am not trying to be mean but you need to do some research based on facts before you start telling people how it is. Of course HTC will deny as many warranty request as possible this is not new info to anyone. Every single person knows manufacturers will try and screw us over.
I am done on this topic as I am so tired of all the wrong information and people who support the companies that screw them over.
@nullkill the video about rooting will not void warranty doesn't talk about unlocking the bootloader. You can root a device without unlocking the BL.
Does the united states have consumer protection laws like this?
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I got warranty rejected due to bootloader, called them up, told them the number of htc phones i have ( one from all generations since G1) n played dumb on bootloader and tey honoured my warranty. try that
shadowboy23 said:
But wouldn't the clause on HTC about "you may void your warranty when you unlock the bootloader" take precedent first? I'm just asking.
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Like I said, the warranty can be voided, they are not obliged to provide a warranty.
However, consumer protection law in Europe is far stronger than a warranty, and you can't sign that away.
An important note is that consumer protection law is with the retailer, not the manufacturer. The implication is that you need to deal with the retailer, not HTC.
ECEXCURSION said:
Does the united states have consumer protection laws like this?
Sent from my HTC One
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I have always assumed here in the US that unlocking an HTC device opens up the possibility that a warranty claim may be rejected. I know that many auto manufacturers, for example, have successfully denied warranty claims because the owner could not prove the oil changes were done properly. How you treat your product does make a difference; a manufacturer can reject a claim if you have abused your product outside of it's design limits (provided they warn you), be it a radio, TV, or automobile.
I think HTC has been pretty good about fixing the hardware. However, I have a different opinion than some posted here. In particular, HTC devices tend to run hot. If a bad ROM or other OS level software caused motherboard failure due to prolonged heat, I could see that HTC could take the position that they designed the hardware for a certain set of circumstances, and apparently the ROM over ran those circumstances. Even a hardware thermal cutoff may be too high over time. HTC designs the phones to last; ROM modifiers don't necessarily have the same information or inclination.
When we unlock, we essentially acknowledge that HTC is modifying the warranty in response - as they clearly state.
This stuff is my opinion; you'd have to ask a lawyer about US consumer law.
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shadowboy23 said:
@nullkill the video about rooting will not void warranty doesn't talk about unlocking the bootloader. You can root a device without unlocking the BL.
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How would one go about doing this? All the root methods I've seen require flashing a different recovery.
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ArmedandDangerous said:
You mean you went through all that trouble and didn't read the part on HTCDEV that your warranty will be void should you unlock the phone? That's why people use their phones for a bit to make sure everythings alright, everythings working for a period of time and to wait for S-Off before doing any unlocking.
Regardless of what ROM you have on it, the bootloader will tell all if you are not S-Offed.
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Actually, S-Off would not matter in this case; the phone was dead, and the user could not take advantage of S-Off to reset to stock...

HTC one smoke from usb port

Ok so a couple of weeks back my HTC one running ARHD (cant remember what version) was running low on battery. So I plugged it into a charger only for it to start smoking from the port. I quickly pulled it out but it was ruined from that point on and wouldn't charge. Anyway. I went into my carrier shop (EE in the UK)and they sent it off for me. However HTC didn't fix it because I had "installed unlicensed software on it". from my perspective I fail to see how running a custom ROM can cause my phone to basically set itself alight. Have I got any leg to stand on or am I ****ed ?
Help please guys.
squirrelbo1 said:
Ok so a couple of weeks back my HTC one running ARHD (cant remember what version) was running low on battery. So I plugged it into a charger only for it to start smoking from the port. I quickly pulled it out but it was ruined from that point on and wouldn't charge. Anyway. I went into my carrier shop (EE in the UK)and they sent it off for me. However HTC didn't fix it because I had "installed unlicensed software on it". from my perspective I fail to see how running a custom ROM can cause my phone to basically set itself alight. Have I got any leg to stand on or am I ****ed ?
Help please guys.
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Did you receive your phone back? If doing repair to the main board it is most likely that the warranty is void. The usb port is soldered on the main board. The main board also contains information on a chip which stores the bl and secure flags (bootloader lock and security lock)
If you got your phone back send it to a different shop and see what happens... (some service centres are dumb)
However my tip would have been s-on and locking boot loader and flash ruu, but your port is dead
You can however download a flashable RRU in zip format and install it in boot loader (if you have low battery, dont bother as it will break the phone)
You can talk about customer rights but you are warned at the unlocking process it may void warranty.
My tip is research online what others did to get it sent.
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XDA_h3n said:
Did you receive your phone back? If doing repair to the main board it is most likely that the warranty is void. The usb port is soldered on the main board. The main board also contains information on a chip which stores the bl and secure flags (bootloader lock and security lock)
If you got your phone back send it to a different shop and see what happens... (some service centres are dumb)
However my tip would have been s-on and locking boot loader and flash ruu, but your port is dead
You can however download a flashable RRU in zip format and install it in boot loader (if you have low battery, dont bother as it will break the phone)
You can talk about customer rights but you are warned at the unlocking process it may void warranty.
My tip is research online what others did to get it sent.
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The problem is that it has no battery left what so ever. I can't do anything to resolve the situation from my end. I am reliant on them fixing something that is their fault.
As for taking it to another shop, well I'm in London so I imagine they send them all to the ashfield in kent centre. I could try I suppose.
They rejected it because of your custom ROM having a Kernel that might have affected the top limiting current input of the charger.
Its unlikely that actually caused the short but its still a valid reason for them to void the repair.
The reality of it is its pretty well known that anytime you start to flash custom roms and modify your phone from original manufacturer specs you are running the risk of them voiding warranty of something were to happen. In your case something did happen and as a result they were able to use that against you.
Also im not sure why your reliant on them fixing something that is their fault? How did you come to the conclusion it was their fault?
You did modify the phone with custom software.
Did you also investigate if the charger was manufactured properly. You left out details like it being the factory HTC charger that came with it or an after market one.
Just saying. Take some responsibility. Had you NOT put a custom rom on there and modified the phone would you in fact be in the position to have the repair rejected? Would the unit have burned up like it did? We will never truly know but unfortunately Manufacturers have to cover their butts because so many people out there modify their phones and break them and try to send them in to get fixed for free when the manufacturer did nothing to actually cause the unit damage.
If the phone was completely dead, how did they determine the phone had unlicensed software on it?
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They rejected it because of your custom ROM having a Kernel that might have affected the top limiting current input of the charger.
Its unlikely that actually caused the short but its still a valid reason for them to void the repair.
The reality of it is its pretty well known that anytime you start to flash custom roms and modify your phone from original manufacturer specs you are running the risk of them voiding warranty of something were to happen. In your case something did happen and as a result they were able to use that against you.
Also im not sure why your reliant on them fixing something that is their fault? How did you come to the conclusion it was their fault?
You did modify the phone with custom software.
Did you also investigate if the charger was manufactured properly. You left out details like it being the factory HTC charger that came with it or an after market one.
Just saying. Take some responsibility. Had you NOT put a custom rom on there and modified the phone would you in fact be in the position to have the repair rejected? Would the unit have burned up like it did? We will never truly know but unfortunately Manufacturers have to cover their butts because so many people out there modify their phones and break them and try to send them in to get fixed for free when the manufacturer did nothing to actually cause the unit damage.
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I was under the impression that ARHD used the stock kernals ?
As for their fault its a hardware failure, that is very very unlikely to have been caused by a custom ROM.
As for the charger it was the one that came with the phone.

root and warranty in the EU/UK

Hi,
I am sorry if this common knowledge around here, but it took me a while to find so I thought it might be worth posting this info here.
I am considering rooting just so that I can save large files from games to my sd card, I was worried about this knox thing (never had a Samsung before) and voiding my warranty just so I can do this.
I have found the following post that seems to confirm that rooting alone DOES NOT void your warranty if you are in the UK, regardless of what happens to Knox...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
This forum is obviously international and this just applies to the EU, but I thought it worth posting if it helps others like it helped me.
WARNING!!!
Before you unknowingly get people into bad situation you might want to consider this post as-well. Your link is very old and has been refused on several instances. Basically has not created any useful precedence to my knowledge.
Also KNOX put a whole new spin on the issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45570695&postcount=4
I posted it before in one of the topic, but Im gonna repost again.
Regarding this topic discussed and this EU directive, I contacted both, Samsung Latvia, aswell as Consumer Rights Protection Centre.
In short - Samsung still stands on its warranty card, saying that rooting will void the warranty.
CRPC States, that they take sides with Samsung. Because they have such point in warranty, they cannot "protect me".
So only way something would change in Latvia (its in EU) is, if I would take Samsung to court telling that, the "rooting voids warranty" point in their warranty card is against EU rules (or w/e rules) and court would agree on me. No way Im doing that
Whats unofficial way of dealing against KNOX 0x1 when you take your phone to warranty service center is different story. Sometimes they might just fix your phone under warranty and reset the fuse (Like it was sayd in different post). Just dont count on that.
Hmmm, thanks,
This looks to be a very complex area, I was not meaning to mislead and I apologise if that's what has happened.
There looks to be a lot of concussion over who the warranty is actually with, either EE (in my case) or Samsung. I have to admit I don't understand the difference, if there is some law that states that the phone should be covered by the warranty, then what does it matter who it is with?
Has there been no precedent of someone having their phone rooted and still having it covered under warranty?
i also don't understand why Knox changed things? My understanding from reading some Samsung press is that Knox is designed for business platforms where the 'one device for work and home' idea can be supported by corporations it departments to make sure the devices are safe. It's disappointing that this same technology prevents personal users from doing what we want with our phones.
i appreciate that all I am trying to do is save large files (in this case for games) is a google policy change, not Samsung, but if rooting is the only way that I can utilise the expansion that the SD offers then it's also disappointing that this would void my warranty?!
I understand the 'root voids warranty' that is plastered all over can, but am just asking...
btw
I do not understand why even the warranty is lost just because I got root??? whether it is this or that Samsung or HTC or some other mobile.
I find it this is an old primitive law.
For me it means: root = admin
Fo example: I'm admin on my PC with Win7 and I still do have warranty for all my coponents or?
Just try to imagine you loose warranty for your motherboard or graphik card cos you have admin rights. lol
A S5 is for me like an PC that I can use how I want it to.
In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/consumer-sales-act/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Sales Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/warranties/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
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I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.
Orka82 said:
In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Purchases Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Guarantee/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
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I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.
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Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...
craigcrawford1988 said:
Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...
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I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.
gareth261987 said:
I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.
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Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.
Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.
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and I would never go for service center just because of software glitch... Reinstall and move on. Same goes for Phones. Its normal if they wouldnt cover software problems with rooted phones, and approch same way you can apporch computers - reinstall -> test -> give back.

BIG WARNING before you buy an Asus android devices

Long story short:
If you UNLOCK BOOTLOADER of your device, you FULLY VOID the WARRANTY of the device.
Yes, defective screens, batteries....your warranty is not covering anything once you unlock your device using Asus's official unlock app.
You may wonder why Asus designed an app to unlock the bootloader of your device? Because when you unlock it, the app connects to Asus's server on internet, submit your device's serial number, and Asus knows that a device with such serial number is not under warranty anymore.
End of story. I learned it the hard way.
Want a good rooted device?
Go Samsung, Google Nexus, HTC
Google and HTC have clearly stated that unless the damage on the android device is caused by unlocking the bootloader, the device will be under warranty.
From my searches online you can re-lock your Samsung devices and you get your warranty.
My new Oneplus One phone even offers 1 time first year accidental screen replacement just like htc m8 in the US.
As of tablets, the Nexus series are always the best choices.
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Now, if you live in a region where there're laws enforcing hardware warranty of bootloader unlocked devices, you might have a chance to fight it back, but consider what you might need to go through I'd ask why not buy a better device with better warranty?
Why did that come as a surprise????
It's stated clearly when you run the unlock tool and BEFORE you hit "I agree".....
It seems like every ROM and kernel thread for Asus tablets on XDA warns you about this, so I don't know how you missed it.
The latest Samsung tablets like the Galaxy Tab S will also present a warranty problem, because depending upon which model you get there currently may be no way to root them or flash a new ROM without tripping Samsung's annoying Knox counter, which will void your warranty.
I know because I recently had problems booting my TF701T -- out of warranty because I had unlocked it -- and researched the other 10 inch tablets out there. Nexus tablets don't have SD card slots, which is a deal-breaker for me. HTC doesn't make its own brand tablets anymore, so I don't know why you mentioned them -- the only tablet they make right now is the Nexus 9.
I wasn't impressed with the offerings from Lenovo and Sony either, not after using a high DPI device like the TF701T. So I was pretty relieved when I got my Asus tablet working again and didn't have to buy another one.
You don't mention why you needed warranty service, or why you unlocked your bootloader.
berndblb said:
Why did that come as a surprise????
It's stated clearly when you run the unlock tool and BEFORE you hit "I agree".....
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Not before I purchaseed the product.....
Danforth said:
It seems like every ROM and kernel thread for Asus tablets on XDA warns you about this, so I don't know how you missed it.
The latest Samsung tablets like the Galaxy Tab S will also present a warranty problem, because depending upon which model you get there currently may be no way to root them or flash a new ROM without tripping Samsung's annoying Knox counter, which will void your warranty.
I know because I recently had problems booting my TF701T -- out of warranty because I had unlocked it -- and researched the other 10 inch tablets out there. Nexus tablets don't have SD card slots, which is a deal-breaker for me. HTC doesn't make its own brand tablets anymore, so I don't know why you mentioned them -- the only tablet they make right now is the Nexus 9.
I wasn't impressed with the offerings from Lenovo and Sony either, not after using a high DPI device like the TF701T. So I was pretty relieved when I got my Asus tablet working again and didn't have to buy another one.
You don't mention why you needed warranty service, or why you unlocked your bootloader.
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Got a defective screen......but then I used HTC, nexus, and apple devices before, and none voids your hardware warranty for unlock bootloader/jailbreaking....... and you don't ask why ppl unlock bootloader on xda?
alvinma said:
Got a defective screen......but then I used HTC, nexus, and apple devices before, and none voids your hardware warranty for unlock bootloader/jailbreaking....... and you don't ask why ppl unlock bootloader on xda?
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I asked why because I am wondering how you avoided reading any of the warnings in all of the Asus ROM and kernel threads. Pretty much all the instruction posts include the warning. I thought perhaps you had decided to unlock without first deciding on a particular ROM. But then, as berndblb mentioned above, there's that final warning when you run the unlock tool...
Given all the complaints about defective docks, I made sure to use my TF701T for more than a month before unlocking, to give time for any hardware flaws to show up. I also always read up about what is involved in rooting/replacing the ROM for any device BEFORE I even buy it, which is why I ruled out getting a new Samsung Galaxy Tab S.
Sorry to sound so unsympathetic -- it does suck that your display crapped out AFTER you unlocked it -- but I guess you'll just have to consider this a lesson hard-learned.
EDIT: I wanted to add that, not only does Samsung have Knox -- meaning you can potentially void your warranty just by rooting it -- Apple also reserves the right to refuse warranty repairs if your device is jailbroken. That means that you can get screwed if your device ends up in a state where you can't remove the jailbreak, even if the jailbreak had nothing to do with the problem.
To be honest I agree with OP. I have had so many devices through the years, HTC, Sony, Motorola, Samsung, Apple... I have always been into unlocking and rooting.
In EVERY rom thread for EVERY device you can read that you will loose warranty etc if you flash! So there is no difference here at the Asus forums of course.
The difference is that no other manufacturer that I know really use the serial number this way and deny you the hardware warranty after unlocking bootloader!
Software warranty would be understandable since you modify the software.
I have sent so many different devices for repairs, everyone unlocked and/or rooted and I have never had a problem. Sony, Samsung, HTC, Motorola... No problem at all.
I thought this would be the case with Asus too, but when I have been in contact with their technical support they clearly states that after unlocking the bootloader you will loose the complete original warranty, inclunding for hardware faults.
Its a good product. A good buy once safely rooted.
However I agree if you don't really find out without researching.
It shouldn't be difficult for Asus to stand behind the product with good service at least of all things.
Maybe it sounds crazy, but they should say "You root you void your warranty, but we fix it anyway?!"
"What on earth have you got to be kidding. We dont pull those stunts."
And maybe some places do fix it anyway. But as a result these things dont sell.
I'll throw in my 2 cents also.
Most of the other manufactures also state that if you unlock/root your warranty is void. The difference is, most of them do not provide a way for you to do it.
For most of the others the only way to root was with an exploit and then you could either unroot for warranty or mess it up so bad that they couldn't tell that it had been rooted.
I agree with the Asus policy, you mess around with it anyway then it's your problem.
It is clearly stated on their website that it voids warranty, if your complaint is that you didn't know before you bought it then that is your fault. Did you do any research on their website before you bought it, did you look at any threads here on xda? If you bought it so that you could root it you should have know, if you bought it because you liked it and then you read all the warnings and rooted it because you could after, then it's your own fault. Sorry
I could make analogies to other things about how it is similar but the bottom line is their warranty specifically says that if you rooted it your warranty is gone. It is clearly stated and you ignored it.
STILL, there is a big difference between Asus and other manufacturers!
Sony also provides unlocking tool, says unlocking MAY void warranty, but issues such as known hardware problems is still covered.
HTC also provides unlocking tool, says unlocking MAY void warranty and hardware problems non-related to unlocking seems to still be covered.
Samsung uses it's KNOX system which does not register the serial number when unlocking but make a flag in the phones bootloader. Samsung handles this different in different countries but generally it seems to be no problem to still get the phone repaired under warranty.
So when Asus register your serial number when you unlock the bootloader and then denies ALL warranty claims is not "something every manufacturer does".
And with the TF701 which has some big quality issues, like keyboard dock, loose glass, why would these not be covered by warranty just because the software is modified? It does not make sense.
I bought an unlocked TF701T on ebay. It was unusable with lots of phantom touches. I chatted with Asus service and explicitly stated that the device was rooted and unlocked. They said it was under warranty and gave me an RMA number. A week after I shipped it the tablet came back repaired. I was quite pleased with their service.
Sorry, I know that's like gasoline on the fire if someone had a bad experience. But they did well and I have to give them credit.
That's good to hear! In which country do you live?
Do NOT buy ASUS ever !!! this tablet is piece of s***.... sorry but it is the truth
hi guys,
I can only confirm what other users have stated about bad experience with asus tf701t , on paper it looks very nice, but the reality is very different ! do not waste your money on a company that is looking for one shot users.
I bought mine from amazon, and from the very beginning i had problem with screen sensitivity, sometimes there are phantom zones, means when i touch the screen nothing happens, like at the top when trying to roll out the android menu. (middle top part of the screen)
So since i am a very loyal asus customer, (laptop ROG, motherboards, asus infinity 700,) i was used to 'ok' quality, so i was not suspecting hardware. I thought my issue was software related. So i flashed and updated my rom.
Unfortunately it DID NOT resolve my problem, so that proved me that the problem is hardware related. So i write ASUS customer support, and they refused to repair their piece of crap they sold me. Hidding behind the warranty policy...very lame !
They refused to face the facts. I wrote a second time kindly to ask them to reconsider, since i am a good customer and i am asking for the first time the support that i deserved, since my tablet is just 6months old, and problems started from day 1 !!
ASUS told me i could send the tablet and so a check to see what needs to be replaced for EUR 75 , and only then a quote could be made about how much more I would need to pay for the repair... GIVE ME A BREAK !
First they sell me untested hardware...because if it would have been gone through proper quality test it would have ended in the garbage can and not on shelves.
The quality and success through time of a company comes not only from what you build but the support you give to your customers, and also know to admit when you build and publish crap on the market !
Sorry to be so hard, but honestly between the way i have been treated and the way I describe it to you, i am polite.
I will NEVER ever in this life BUY Asus again. Farewell to asus and burn in hell...
So think twice give before you buy asus. I hope this review will give you also a preview of what this Asus tablet is.
alvinma said:
Long story short:
If you UNLOCK BOOTLOADER of your device, you FULLY VOID the WARRANTY of the device.
Yes, defective screens, batteries....your warranty is not covering anything once you unlock your device using Asus's official unlock app.
You may wonder why Asus designed an app to unlock the bootloader of your device? Because when you unlock it, the app connects to Asus's server on internet, submit your device's serial number, and Asus knows that a device with such serial number is not under warranty anymore.
End of story. I learned it the hard way.
Want a good rooted device?
Go Samsung, Google Nexus, HTC
Google and HTC have clearly stated that unless the damage on the android device is caused by unlocking the bootloader, the device will be under warranty.
From my searches online you can re-lock your Samsung devices and you get your warranty.
My new Oneplus One phone even offers 1 time first year accidental screen replacement just like htc m8 in the US.
As of tablets, the Nexus series are always the best choices.
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Now, if you live in a region where there're laws enforcing hardware warranty of bootloader unlocked devices, you might have a chance to fight it back, but consider what you might need to go through I'd ask why not buy a better device with better warranty?
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With Unlock can't Asus refuse warranty in EU and CH generelly. A short letter from my adovator and Asus repair under warrenty my laudspeaker. Only defects with connection with Unlock can refuse from Asus, but ASUS must prove relation.
ASUS AGB are not allowed in EU or CH and violate law. Paper are patience and not all was wrote is true
It probably depends on certain issues and the extend of damage like if you dropped it or something. Edit: If ASUS DOESNT STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT. Unless they change their tune I wont buy another Asus thing.
Asus warranty
Your Asus warranty is of no use anyway. Here's my experience:
I bought the tf701 when it came out. I read a lot of reviews, watched Youtube reviews and so on.
When I received it I noticed that the tablet did not sit firmly in the keyboard dock. However there were no other problems so I did not care. After a few weeks I noticed connectivity problems between the dock and the tablet. I found out that many people had that problem and that all docks are affected from the first and second batch (not a single word about that in any reviews I watched previously). I wrote Asus and they told me to talk to the vendor where I bought it. this vendor (eGlobal) asked me to send my tablet and dock to them on my own costs, what I did. after 8 weeks or so I got it back in a worse shape than before. Not only the problem has not been fixed, one of the rubber feet was missing and the tablet had some scratches on the back side. eGlobal told me that it was Asus' fault, so I contacted Asus again. They were replying with the same message (copy&pasted), no matter what I wrote them, that I have to contact my vendor. eGlobal was likewise uncooperative blaming Asus instead. The tablet was still under warranty but all I got from it were some scratches and a missing rubber foot.
I got Asus mainboard, display and other hardware but this was definitely the last time that I bought an Asus product.
You should direct your frustration against the people that deserve it - your vendor (eGlobal) as it is they that have the support. The manufacturer is not involved (at least if you are located in Europe - aren't quite sure how the laws are in other parts of the world). If you have received your goods back from repair in damaged condition, you should take it up with the vendor...
I am located in Europe. My experience with ASUS support is that they are quick to reply and I have never had a problem with getting a warranty service approved (yet). I have sent in two computers (one computer two times and the other four times) and my TF701 two times. The irritating thing is that they give you a date (but no time) when the transport company will come and pick it up which means I have to take a day off work just sitting at home waiting for the transport company. When they want to deliver it to me it's the same thing, they give you a date and you are supposed to wait at home whole day.
The most irritating thing about this is that the transport company (in my case DHL) has a service point just around the corner from my house but they will not accept that I leave the box there, they HAVE to collect it at my home. Every other company I have sent products for warranty service to have given me the option to leave it at a service point and then collect it there.
ASUS service work shop in Czech Republic where all my services have been sent seems to have problems with understanding English since they often just fix some of the problems I have had, not all of them.
HeartWare42 said:
You should direct your frustration against the people that deserve it - your vendor (eGlobal) as it is they that have the support. The manufacturer is not involved (at least if you are located in Europe - aren't quite sure how the laws are in other parts of the world). If you have received your goods back from repair in damaged condition, you should take it up with the vendor...
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The faulty product comes from Asus. The repair that achieved absolute nothing was done by Asus and overall support from Asus isnt that great. Sure, I will not buy from that vendor again because their support lacks as well. Bottomline is that your warranty is worth nothing at all.
does op not realize that both iterations of nexus 7 tablets are made my asus? so recommending against asus, but recommending a nexus tablet is... well... dumb... Asus makes amazing products. just do a bit of research before purchasing, and especially before rooting and you will be fine. I own both a nexus 7 gen 2 and a transformer tf701 both unlocked and rooted. never had a single issue with either, and if it werent for rooting and the custom rom community my transformer would still be stuck on KK rather than able to run both LP and linux simultaniously... again, asus makes great products. I'd go asus over samsung any day... KNOX is a *****..

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