Hi, does anyone knows if this phone is going to be updated to 5.1 or the update will be only for the droid turbo? Because I have seen the news and no one is mentioning this phone and I'm very worried, jeje thanks [emoji28]
arcaneck said:
Hi, does anyone knows if this phone is going to be updated to 5.1 or the update will be only for the droid turbo? Because I have seen the news and no one is mentioning this phone and I'm very worried, jeje thanks [emoji28]
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You don't have to be worried about, Turbo and Maxx are the same phone with different software, so they should get the update mostly at the same time.
You have been hearing this it's because Turbo would get directly updated to 5.1, which it's a different story for the Maxx that already have Lollipop.
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You don't have to be worried about, Turbo and Maxx are the same phone with different software, so they should get the update mostly at the same time.
You have been hearing this it's because Turbo would get directly updated to 5.1, which it's a different story for the Maxx that already have Lollipop.
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I wouldn't assume that. OEMs have a finite of updates they will push and unless they see a dire need to, may not push the Maxx to 5.1. It happens all the time. An OEM will move a device to the next OS version, and being that 5.1.1 is still Lollipop they may not consider it worth the resources to update to it, especially since (correct me if wrong) the international versions do not use VoLTE.
yes it will be updated to 5.1, but i think droid turbo will make it first, then us.
I am sure the Brazil version will get 5.1.x, not sure about the other builds/countries though.
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I wouldn't assume that. OEMs have a finite of updates they will push and unless they see a dire need to, may not push the Maxx to 5.1. It happens all the time. An OEM will move a device to the next OS version, and being that 5.1.1 is still Lollipop they may not consider it worth the resources to update to it, especially since (correct me if wrong) the international versions do not use VoLTE.
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Well, since India Turbo just launched, and Brazil is also very important to Motorola fairly sure they will continue to get updates. India launched with a version a hair behind Brazil and Mexico's Lollipop. They will both be equal at some point, with newer update.
If the Moto X and Moto G continue to get updates, so with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
And last, we now will have CM 12.1 which is based on 5.1. So, we have 5.1. DONE. Don't need OEM, sir.
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Done. I have also moved to CM12.1 from now on, so I'll not be backporting latest set of patches back to CM-12.0
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I am sure the Brazil version will get 5.1.x, not sure about the other builds/countries though.
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Then you can just flash Brazil's 5.1.x. I converted my Mexico and Puerto Rico Moto Maxx to India Moto Turbo. Just as easy to convert them to Brazil Moto Maxx.
That is, if you absolutely want just stock and not a custom ROM like CM 12.1, which is 5.1.
Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 will have Lollipop 5.1 before Verizon gives it Droid Turbo -- courtesy CM 12.1 and @Skrilax_CZ.
If any Moto Maxx XT1250 users also want CM 12.1, just contact @Skrilax_CZ.
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Well, since India Turbo just launched, and Brazil is also very important to Motorola fairly sure they will continue to get updates. India launched with a version a hair behind Brazil and Mexico's Lollipop. They will both be equal at some point, with newer update.
If the Moto X and Moto G continue to get updates, so with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
And last, we now will have CM 12.1 which is based on 5.1. So, we have 5.1. DONE. Don't need OEM, sir.
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Then you can just flash Brazil's 5.1.x. I converted my Mexico and Puerto Rico Moto Maxx to India Moto Turbo. Just as easy to convert them to Brazil Moto Maxx.
That is, if you absolutely want just stock and not a custom ROM like CM 12.1, which is 5.1.
Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 will have Lollipop 5.1 before Verizon gives it Droid Turbo -- courtesy CM 12.1 and @Skrilax_CZ.
If any Moto Maxx XT1250 users also want CM 12.1, just contact @Skrilax_CZ.
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I assure you, you want (OEM) 5.1 if for no other reason than proper blobs. CM will never be able to provide those until Moto releases an update they can be pulled from.
It won't be much resources for them to upgrade from 5.0.x to 5.1.y - it costs resources if there were many underlying platform changes, which has not happened. So I'd simply say that next minor OTA for Maxx will be 5.1 based.
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It won't be much resources for them to upgrade from 5.0.x to 5.1.y - it costs resources if there were many underlying platform changes, which has not happened. So I'd simply say that next minor OTA for Maxx will be 5.1 based.
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That depends on how well the Motorola components work with 5.1. If they do not, they must update them as well.
adrynalyne said:
That depends on how well the Motorola components work with 5.1. If they do not, they must update them as well.
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The problem with OS upgrading is mostly on plaftorm side. Qualcomm will upgrade their platform blobs / firmwares / sources, but Moto will need to reconfigure their setup (and there will be bugs etc.). That's where the problem usually lies and holds OTA updates (msm8960 phones to Kitkat from 4.1.2, now mam8960ab phones to LP etc.).
There is no virtual difference in the framework integration, since 5.1 is a bugfix release primarilly.
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That depends on how well the Motorola components work with 5.1. If they do not, they must update them as well.
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Motorola is already publicly committed to 5.1 for one Quark phone, the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Just for support reasons alone, Motorola would want all the Quarks to have the same bug fixes. In support of that idea is Motorola themselves:
https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/cV4vDyyMmw2
David Schuster, a Senior Director of software management at Motorola:
There seems to be a number of negative comments about the decision that Motorola took to move to use Lollipop 5.1 rather than stay with the plan to deploy 5.0.2. We did NOT do this without weighing the various pros and cons but at the end of the day we felt it was the best path to ensure we deliver our consumers the best available solution.
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Motorola has said 5.0.2 has problems. They say 5.1 is much better.
If the 2013 and 2014 Moto X and 2013 Moto G will get 5.1, then so will all the Quarks which are much more recent, much more premium phones.
It's silly to suggest otherwise.
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The problem with OS upgrading is mostly on plaftorm side. Qualcomm will upgrade their platform blobs / firmwares / sources, but Moto will need to reconfigure their setup (and there will be bugs etc.). That's where the problem usually lies and holds OTA updates (msm8960 phones to Kitkat from 4.1.2, now mam8960ab phones to LP etc.).
There is no virtual difference in the framework integration, since 5.1 is a bugfix release primarily.
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Therefore, if Motorola is publicly committed to a 5.1 update for the Droid Turbo XT1254, then a 5.1 update for the XT1225 Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo is also basically done at that point.
It's just GSM/HSPA/LTE, not CDMA/HSPA/LTE. Same Snapdragon 805, same RAM, same camera, same display. They are ALL Quark phones.
Yeah, Verizon wants to make sure VoLTE works fine in 5.1, but that's not even going to be an issue with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225.
It's like getting your Doctoral degree and someone asking if you have your Masters.
It's not even a CARRIER approved release, like with Verizon. Verizon causes problems.
"According to David Schuster, a Senior Director of software management at Motorola, all of the devices we just mentioned won’t see Android 5.0 Lollipop, and will instead be updated from Android 4.4 KitKat straight to Android 5.1 Lollipop":
Moto X (1st & 2nd Gen)
Moto G (1st and 2nd Gen)
Moto G 4G LTE
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https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/cV4vDyyMmw2
With respect the 2013 DROID Ultra family of devices... we are running into some "partner support" issues for the Lollipop upgrade. We are actively trying to work through these issue and I will update you guys as soon as I have more information. Sorry about not having clearer direction for you but my hands are a little tied at the moment until we work through the issue with our partner.
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Well, if it's DROID, then the difficult "partner" is Verizon. Not an issue with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
While some of the Moto Maxx Quarks are sold by carriers, in Mexico and Brazil you can buy them straight from Motorola website. My Mexico Moto Maxx was bought straight from Motorola Mexico. In India, the just-launched XT1225 Moto Turbo is sold through an online retailer but is still a "factory" phone straight from Motorola (and sports the same FCC ID as all the other XT1225).
And thus receive updates straight from Motorola. My Mexico Moto Maxx when on 4.4.4 was only connected to wi-fi, did not have a sim card in it, but notified me of the 5.0.2 update. I declined and flashed it to India Turbo 5.0.2. manually.
Motorola has emphasized how important markets like India and Brazil are to their plans. They just convinced people in India to spend this amount of money on a phone (which launched with 5.0.2) and someone is implying it's not going to receive ANY future updates? :silly:
The only difference between any of the XT1225 is the carrier-sold models are sim locked, while the factory models are not. My Puerto Rico Moto Maxx was sim locked, but was unlocked before delivery, and both my Moto Maxx are flashed to India Moto Turbo Lollipop.
And once the XT1254 Droid Turbo 5.1 Lollipop update is ready, that means 5.1 for the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is basically ready. Both have the same hardware, same CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands, same FCC ID.
ChazzMatt said:
Motorola is already publicly committed to 5.1 for one Quark phone, the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Just for support reasons alone, Motorola would want all the Quarks to have the same bug fixes. In support of that idea is Motorola themselves:
https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/cV4vDyyMmw2
David Schuster, a Senior Director of software management at Motorola:
Motorola has said 5.0.2 has problems. They say 5.1 is much better.
If the 2013 and 2014 Moto X and 2013 Moto G will get 5.1, then so will all the Quarks which are much more recent, much more premium phones.
It's silly to suggest otherwise.
Therefore, if Motorola is publicly committed to a 5.1 update for the Droid Turbo XT1254, then a 5.1 update for the XT1225 Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo is also basically done at that point.
It's just GSM/HSPA/LTE, not CDMA/HSPA/LTE. Same Snapdragon 805, same RAM, same camera, same display. They are ALL Quark phones.
Yeah, Verizon wants to make sure VoLTE works fine in 5.1, but that's not even going to be an issue with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225.
It's like getting your Doctoral degree and someone asking if you have your Masters.
It's not even a CARRIER approved release, like with Verizon. Verizon causes problems.
"According to David Schuster, a Senior Director of software management at Motorola, all of the devices we just mentioned won’t see Android 5.0 Lollipop, and will instead be updated from Android 4.4 KitKat straight to Android 5.1 Lollipop":
Moto X (1st & 2nd Gen)
Moto G (1st and 2nd Gen)
Moto G 4G LTE
DROID Turbo
Moto E
DROID Ultra
DROID Maxx
DROID Mini
https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/cV4vDyyMmw2
Well, if it's DROID, then the difficult "partner" is Verizon. Not an issue with the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
While some of the Moto Maxx Quarks are sold by carriers, in Mexico and Brazil you can buy them straight from Motorola website. My Mexico Moto Maxx was bought straight from Motorola Mexico. In India, the just-launched XT1225 Moto Turbo is sold through an online retailer but is still a "factory" phone straight from Motorola (and sports the same FCC ID as all the other XT1225).
And thus receive updates straight from Motorola. My Mexico Moto Maxx when on 4.4.4 was only connected to wi-fi, did not have a sim card in it, but notified me of the 5.0.2 update. I declined and flashed it to India Turbo 5.0.2. manually.
Motorola has emphasized how important markets like India and Brazil are to their plans. They just convinced people in India to spend this amount of money on a phone (which launched with 5.0.2) and someone is implying it's not going to receive ANY future updates? :silly:
The only difference between any of the XT1225 is the carrier-sold models are sim locked, while the factory models are not. My Puerto Rico Moto Maxx was sim locked, but was unlocked before delivery, and both my Moto Maxx are flashed to India Moto Turbo Lollipop.
And once the XT1254 Droid Turbo 5.1 Lollipop update is ready, that means 5.1 for the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is basically ready. Both have the same hardware, same CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands, same FCC ID.
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That "difficult" partner is more likely whoever provides drivers for those non-ARM cores. This same issue affects the 2013 MotoX.
I'm glad you have faith in Motorola, but far too often I've seen OEMs walk away from their phones when it comes to updates.
You are right, 5.1 makes 5.0.x look like garbage. 5.1 makes my devices fly.
Well now that turbo has 5.1 will there be an update to our maxx purchased dirwctly from motorola?
screege said:
Well now that turbo has 5.1 will there be an update to our maxx purchased dirwctly from motorola?
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I think they would push first the 2015 devices, and then start to be worried about the updates of older devices.
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Why is that?
What are you really trying to ask? Whether or not the boot loader (or possibly SIM) is locked has nothing to do with available updates
I'm just wondering why the Moto X has not been moved up to 4.4.2 while the Moto G has. I figured if they would move the Moto X up to 4.4.2.
I see the sprint version and the other carrier versions getting the update. Who will update the unlocked version of the Moto X?
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I'm just wondering why the Moto X has not been moved up to 4.4.2 while the Moto G has. I figured if they would move the Moto X up to 4.4.2.
I see the sprint version and the other carrier versions getting the update. Who will update the unlocked version of the Moto X?
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I'm actually not sure how the unlocked GSM version gets its updates (I have VZW). I was under the impression it was through your carrier anyway, or by manually flashing after the fastboot files are released. In either case, the updates are starting to roll out, but are not yet available for US carriers
All of the updates come direct from Motorola - for all models of the Moto X and Moto G. The carriers simply "approve" of the firmware and give Motorola the ok to release it. The Dev/retail/tmobile edition (XT1053) which I assume you are referring to as the unlocked version requires no carrier approval but they likely test it with tmobile(and possibly other carriers) before releasing it.
4.4.2 for the US versions of the Moto X will be out very soon, it has been released for Canada and Brazil variations so far.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
Soak tests are already in play from what I hear, Verizon, T-Mobile, USC. Its comin :thumbup:
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From what I read it might be because Moto G shipped with 4.4, so they got 1 update.. whereas we shipped with 4.2 and also got an update to 4.4.. so they started later.. not sure exactly.. but we should have it soon!
Plus there's more to update for the moto x and potentially more labor intensive as well since its a custom chip set essentially with the dual core krait 300 and the low power sensor processors. The moto g does not have the active display or the x8 system... But rather just a standard quad core qcom chip AMD LCD. Who knows how long Motorola was working on 4.4.2 for the g before it came out.
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If you have the unlocked gsm from Motorola who will supply you with your update?
Motorola but they are doing the tmo soak test anyway. Its a great build though because you don't get stuck with a carrier logo on the left like some of the other 4.4.2 builds.
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After calling Motorola I'm pretty sure we have to wait till the carrier okay's it. When I called Motorola they just sent me the same link I already had for the files, which only had what's current. I was on T-Mobile for about a week and after i changed my SIM back to AT&T my phone said i had an update....don't know why..I downloaded it but forgot i still had twrp instead of stock. It rebooted (after not installing) and when i checked my phone said up to date and still on 4.4...
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I just received my update to 4.4.2. Still not sure who the update came from. I have the unlocked gsm version that came with the tmobile sim but I am on at&t.
The update is out for anyone with XT1053 now. You can even grab it here if you are rooted or otherwise unable to get OTA updates.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2638090
I bought an off contrct unclojed xt1097 from telus. Their marketing calls in pure edition but we know that the xt1095 is the real pure one. I contacted telus about the lollipop update and they said that they were waiting on Motorola and then contacted Motorola through the help chat on our phones and the Moto rep asked me to check with my carrier as they are the ones releasing. So frustrating how these people know nothing.
Has anyone with an xt1097 got any info or news ro share? Anyone receive a soak test?
Thanks for sharing!
I too have the xt1097 and havent received anything. The update for this version is not out yet, but according to mobile syrup, motorola is working with the canadian carriers to push it as soon as possible.
cb_2014 said:
I too have the xt1097 and havent received anything. The update for this version is not out yet, but according to mobile syrup, motorola is working with the canadian carriers to push it as soon as possible.
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Pretty sure Telus is the only Canadian carrier that has the Moto x 2014......
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Pretty sure Telus is the only Canadian carrier that has the Moto x 2014......
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At the moment yes, but it will coming to wind or another carrier soon. Also lollipop is being pushed to the moto G on several networks and the 1st gen moto X on rogers. Hence working with Canadian carriers to bring lollipop to moto devices and not just to the moto X 2014 on Telus.
I do hope it is soon as I don't want to mess around too much with the phone just yet. There isn't really anything bloated about the Telus version, it just has some wifi #TELUSDIRECT and such in it.
Nexus 5 updates on Telus?
Does anyone know how long after kit kat was released did telus nexus 5 owners see their updates?
Lol comment fail. Anyways how quickly did n5 owners get 4.4.2 over the original 4.4.x firmware?
I too would like to know when we would receive lollipop.
Us xt1096 owners are still on 4.4.4 as well
I also have a 1097 Brazilian Retail Moto X and no updates here yet.
As it is a retail version I wonder what would be the trouble to release the update along with those pure editions. The Brazilian retail is the closest thing to a pure edition that is not being sold exclusively in US.
Hope they release it soon.
I know what you mean. It seems to be the exactly the same as the pure edition with absolutely no carrier bloat even bought from my carrier (TELUS). It would be very surprising if they sit on a working lollipop build for the xt1095 without also quickly updating the xt1097. As far as I know and I could be wrong is they only need a modified modem for the xt1097. How long can that take?
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I also have a 1097 Brazilian Retail Moto X and no updates here yet.
As it is a retail version I wonder what would be the trouble to release the update along with those pure editions. The Brazilian retail is the closest thing to a pure edition that is not being sold exclusively in US.
Hope they release it soon.
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I don't think it'll take too long for us (I mean Brazilian xt1097 retail) to get it. Changes seem to be minimal and brazil is pretty high with motorola. My bet is we start getting it by next week. Hang on dude, Im with you on that!
Just chatted with a Motorola rep and she said it should be coming in a few weeks.
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Just chatted with a Motorola rep and she said it should be coming in a few weeks.
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Pics for proof (not that I trust her actually knowing for sure).
Our turn?
Xt1095, then xt1096. Next xt1097? One can hope!
Can't be too long now, Verizon released it yesterday.....
Wind Mobile is now selling the Moto X. Haven't been able to confirm the model number or exact software version yet.
Looks like the same one as telus, almost the same ad..... looks like most of the southern part of the world is getting Lollipop, maybe it is too cold for it to travel here.....
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Wind Mobile is now selling the Moto X. Haven't been able to confirm the model number or exact software version yet.
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i owe this moto from WIND too here is the model number XT1097 LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE INFO
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i owe this moto from WIND too here is the model number XT1097 LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE INFO
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Yes! Please let us know all of the version info.
some forecast the arrival of Android 5.1 for the Moto Maxx/Turbo ?
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some forecast the arrival of Android 5.1 for the Moto Maxx/Turbo ?
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no
Believe me, when we find out, you won't be able to not find out anywhere on this forum.
I think we have some news in next week maybe
Of the next week or the next or the next or the next ahahaha
When lolipop is coming to TURBO
My Son's Galaxy S4 just got Android 5.0! But yet nothing for the Turbo, Nice Job Moto!!!!
i think they are holding android 5.1 to release for Droid turbo and last year droid maxx
It looks like they are slower with the updates after the sale to lenovo. Jaoco, is there an optimized stock based custom rom from latin american forums for the xt1225 ?
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some forecast the arrival of Android 5.1 for the Moto Maxx/Turbo ?
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Yay, yet another "when will the update come" post
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Yay, yet another "when will the update come" post
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I agree, it gets old. A simple question mark in the thread title and I would have avoided the post altogether. It is pretty obvious by reading many of the threads here what the status of lollipop is...
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Yay, yet another "when will the update come" post
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it is quite normal to ask for android 5.1 update for the moto maxx when moto x 2014 already got the 5.1 in the same region. it is not rocket science.
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To the people complaining about the update speed: Maxx (Xt1225) already have Lollipop, and though it wasn't immediatelly after its release, it was way ahead of a lot of devices. The problem with turbo is Verizon, not Motorola. I'm just reforcing this because if Verizon is delaying the update then there is nothing Motorola can do, so complainig to them is useless, but people dont seem to understand that. And I personally think Motorola is better with Lenovo than Google, first because Google wanted to keep Motorola a company apart from then and second because they were only interested in Motorola's patents, and Lenovo seems to be interested in using Motorola to take a share on the mobile market. I would be pissed too if my carrier didn't provide me the latest updates in a reasonable time (specially for a flagship), but instead of complaining to the wrong culprit, I would just change carriers (and I did sometimes here in Brazil). But I'm hoping you guys get this update soon.
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some forecast the arrival of Android 5.1 for the Moto Maxx/Turbo ?
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Unfortunately there isn't despite the nasty vpn and ipv6 bug kitkat has.
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My guess is 5.1 won't come to the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 until it comes to the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Of the Quark phones, XT1225 already has Lollipop 5.0.2 while the XT1254 still has 4.4.4. Don't think Motorola will update the XT1225 yet again, while the Droid Turbo has not received any OS updates since being released in October 2014 -- whether it's Motorola's fault or not (cough - Verizon).
Which means the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 also won't receive Lollipop until it's FCC ID twin, the XT1254 receives Lollipop. It also is stuck on 4.4.4, as far as I know.
I think the OTA update for all three Quarks -- XT1225, XT1254, XT1250 will come about the same time -- when Verizon approves the 5.1 update for the Droid Turbo. Yeah, I know Verizon doesn't control the fate of phones not on their network. I'm not saying they do. But Motorola is owned by Lenovo, an Asian company where "saving face", not embarrassing business partners is ingrained in the corporate culture. If the other Quarks receive 5.1, and the Droid Turbo does not, that makes Verizon look worse than they already do. I just feel Motorola won't do that.
Hopefully, I'm wrong with that guess and 5.1 comes next week!
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My guess is 5.1 won't come to the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 until it comes to the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Of the Quark phones, XT1225 already has Lollipop 5.0.2 while the XT1254 still has 4.4.4. Don't think Motorola will update the XT1225 yet again, while the Droid Turbo has not received any OS updates since being released in October 2014 -- whether it's Motorola's fault or not (cough - Verizon).
Which means the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 also won't receive Lollipop until it's FCC ID twin, the XT1254 receives Lollipop. It also is stuck on 4.4.4, as far as I know.
I think the OTA update for all three Quarks -- XT1225, XT1254, XT1250 will come about the same time -- when Verizon approves the 5.1 update for the Droid Turbo. Yeah, I know Verizon doesn't control the fate of phones not on their network. I'm not saying they do. But Motorola is owned by Lenovo, an Asian company where "saving face", not embarrassing business partners is ingrained in the corporate culture. If the other Quarks receive 5.1, and the Droid Turbo does not, that makes Verizon look worse than they already do. I just feel Motorola won't do that.
Hopefully, I'm wrong with that guess and 5.1 comes next week!
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You are right in everything you said, but about "an Asian company where "saving face", not embarrassing business partners is ingrained in the corporate culture", you have to take in mind that customers also have a big play here, so my bet is that they won't care so much on Verizon, but instead would push the update to other markets whether Verizon is ready or not.
All this delays on the updates for the Turbo are directly related to Verizon, so I don't think a whole company stop it update process and mechanics just because a carrier.
The other point here, is that Verizon is not any carrier, is the carrier that each year release the Droid line and they have had a really close relation to Verizon for many years, so I guess the coin is in the air: bet for customers or bet for Verizon?.
Why can't Motorola just release a signed update zip that we manually flash?
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Why can't Motorola just release a signed update zip that we manually flash?
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Because they undoubtedly have an agreement with Verizon that they'll wait for Verizon to approve any updates before they push them. Breaking that agreement would be a great way to get Verizon to not let any new Motorola phones on their network.
anybody have any thoughts? I've currently got the LG G3 and am sick of the continually overheating while running GPS. Makes it tough to get places when the phone keeps shutting down. Been looking around and am debating the turbo due to the turbo charging speed. would ya do it??
That's a tough choice. My gf has a g3 and I have a turbo. The g3 is amazing. Better camera in low light, rootable and unlocked bootloader and a ton of development already done on it whereas the turbo, there is a lot less. But my turbo lasts way longer, doesn't overheat at all. It's really an amazing device. If you can handle the little bit extra weight and it being thicker to an extent, then grab the Turbo for sure.
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I love my Turbo, but I've never seen a G3. The turbo charging works great. Also, jcase and beaups are actively working on a bootloader unlock for the Turbo. See here: https://twitter.com/therootninja. Also also, why would you get a G3 when the G4 is out?
EDIT: Never mind. I misread.
Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).
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Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).
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XT1250 = unlocked CDMA version (Moto Maxx)
XT1254 = Verizon Droid Turbo
And the only thing that makes it "near equivalent" and not "equivalent" is the name. They are electrically identical.
G3 is nowhere near Droid Turbo, it would be a nice upgrade over G3 but Droid Turbo 2 is about to be announced, so i would wait for dt2 announcement instead of buying droid turbo unless it is cheap.
GeodudeFFP said:
Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).
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TheSt33v said:
XT1250 = unlocked CDMA version (Moto Maxx)
XT1254 = Verizon Droid Turbo
And the only thing that makes it "near equivalent" and not "equivalent" is the name. They are electrically identical.
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Yeah, same FCC ID = same device, same bands.
Someone I'm chatting with on Hangouts just got an XT1250 and flashed the Droid Turbo 5.1 and radio over it to basically turn it into an bootloader unlocked Droid Turbo....
I was able to get it at Sprocket! (Well, waiting until Monday until they have the Black version.) Ironically, the thing there were most concerned about was me disputing the charge on my CC. However, after some pleading, they agreed!
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Buying it on Monday, waiting for them to get the Black version in stock.
But they are willing to sell it, after some convincing.
All I care is to install 5.1, TWRP, and root. And maybe compile a custom kernel.
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So FYI, I got it all mostly working. The only problem I have right now is upload speeds are super slow.
Flashed the Verizon radio and 5.1 FW
gonna try wiping the radio and re-writing the radio
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Yes I flashed the Verizon Radio to the device
not the bootloader image, for obvious reasons
I wanted 5.1, so I didn't test until I had the VZW 5.1 with my SIM card
I'm going to try an reflash soon, and then get a new SIM just in case
I hope Verizon doesn't give me any trouble getting a new SIM at my local store
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I want to buy a phone and I have a budget of 160$. I have found a Droid Turbo online for around 158$ and I find it perfect for me because it has an okay camera, good hardware and a fine size. The seller claims it to be on KK and say that it is GSM unlocked and will work on Verizon also. Will it work on my carrier if I update it to MM in the future? If it locks the network, how can I unlock it again?
Thanks in advance
muftiazan said:
I want to buy a phone and I have a budget of 160$. I have found a Droid Turbo online for around 158$ and I find it perfect for me because it has an okay camera, good hardware and a fine size. The seller claims it to be on KK and say that it is GSM unlocked and will work on Verizon also. Will it work on my carrier if I update it to MM in the future? If it locks the network, how can I unlock it again?
Thanks in advance
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Droid Turbo XT1254 is unlocked, FCC requires Verizon to unlock their phones for LTE. No, the eventual Marshmallow will not lock your phone from other carriers.
IF it's really on KitKat, you can flash SUTL-44 (Lollipop) from this forum, unlock bootloader and root. Do NOT NOT NOT take any OTA updates on the phone until you manually flash SUTL-44 from this forum. SUTL-49 ("security" update) will perm lock your bootloader.
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Droid Turbo XT1254 is unlocked, FCC requires Verizon to unlock their phones for LTE. No, the eventual Marshmallow will not lock your phone from other carriers.
IF it's really on KitKat, you can flash SUTL-44 (Lollipop) from this forum, unlock bootloader and root. Do NOT NOT NOT take any OTA updates on the phone until you manually flash SUTL-44 from this forum. SUTL-49 ("security" update) will perm lock your bootloader.
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I wouldnt mind having a locked bootloader. I have a locked M8. I need this phone for usage only. I would like to know if there is a better option I have in this price range.
Thanks in advance
This is a strong phone for the cost. I just bought one for my daughter. But moto updates are likely to stop after marshmallow.
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muftiazan said:
I wouldnt mind having a locked bootloader. I have a locked M8. I need this phone for usage only. I would like to know if there is a better option I have in this price range.
Thanks in advance
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A locked boot loader means Verizon still owns your phone. You can't block ads, you can't uninstall bloatware and you'll never get updates they don't want to give you. Like upcoming Nougat. Verizon still hasn't officially released Marshmallow for the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Unlocking the boot loader and rooting is FREEDOM. It's your phone. You can install Nougat when it comes out. You can install Marshmallow right now if you wanted (custom Marshmallow ROMS available since February 2016 -- still NOT released by Verizon/Motorola for the Droid Turbo).
But yes, it's still a strong phone. Specs were cutting edge, has kept up.
I own THREE XT1225, the "international" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254, even though I live in the U.S.A. The XT1225 has more LTE bands and HSPA bands than the XT1254, and bootloader unlocked for free by Motorola code. Of all the Quarks (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225), only Verizon's has carrier-locked bootloader.
Why do you want XT1254 if you live in India? Why not Moto Turbo XT1225?
Last week i just grab my Turbo (1st is unable to unlocked, 2nd the 64gb version, already unlocked it) because the screen size, battery, performance and price in 2016 is really reasonable.
No, don't do it. At least, wait til the new Nexus come out. Here's the deal. Finding a phone with similar specs isn't difficult these days, neither is finding a manufacturer with better support and customer service. If this phone came from some other company, I might say yes. If you don't like the new Nexus phones and can't shell out for an S7, this isn't a bad phone. But it needs TLC. And Moto isn't giving that out these days.
I haven't owned a phone where people haven't said the same thing about their manufacturer.
The truth of the matter is buying a high spec phone just ticks you off because it should be bought on KitKat and good for android 'o'. We're just annoyed that the money isn't there for them to continue the updates.
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Source: I own an att lollipop note 3. Grrr....
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The Horak said:
No, don't do it. At least, wait til the new Nexus come out. Here's the deal. Finding a phone with similar specs isn't difficult these days, neither is finding a manufacturer with better support and customer service. If this phone came from some other company, I might say yes. If you don't like the new Nexus phones and can't shell out for an S7, this isn't a bad phone. But it needs TLC. And Moto isn't giving that out these days.
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Finding another phone in the < $200 range with comparable battery life, a high res screen, Qi wireless charging and turbo charging IS difficult.
The battery life itself makes this one stand out against much of the competition, even at higher prices.
Summary of the phone's main feature weaknesses relative to current flagships:
1) Average quality camera, good by traditional Motorola standards, but inferior to flagship phones from competitors
2) No fingerprint reader (irrelevant to me, but some like it)
3) No flash memory slot
4) Verizon phone. Bootloader can be unlocked for $25 but push updates are slow (and probably will stop at Marshmallow, or might even stop with current Lollipop).
5) Rear facing speaker. Not the loudest speaker on the planet.
quadcrap1 said:
Finding another phone in the < $200 range with comparable battery life, a high res screen, Qi wireless charging and turbo charging IS difficult.
The battery life itself makes this one stand out against much of the competition, even at higher prices.
Summary of the phone's main feature weaknesses relative to current flagships:
1) Average quality camera, good by traditional Motorola standards, but inferior to flagship phones from competitors
2) No fingerprint reader (irrelevant to me, but some like it)
3) No flash memory slot
4) Verizon phone. Bootloader can be unlocked for $25 but push updates are slow (and probably will stop at Marshmallow, or might even stop with current Lollipop).
5) Rear facing speaker. Not the loudest speaker on the planet.
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the turbo has front facing speakers. they are at the top by the earpiece. They are also stereo speakers, but being so close together you don't really get a true stereo effect from them
single speaker, not stereo
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the turbo has front facing speakers. they are at the top by the earpiece. They are also stereo speakers, but being so close together you don't really get a true stereo effect from them
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While yes, the QUARK has front facing SPEAKER -- it's a single speaker port, and not stereo.
One of the flaws of the Quark is Motorola did NOT put the same specs into they did the Shamu (Moto Nexus 6) -- like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers.
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Motorola Droid Turbo Teardown
https://teardowns.abiresearch.com/teardowns/pe_motorolateardown-droid-turbo-xt1254-32/#features
Speaker: Mono
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Droid Turbo by Motorola (Verizon Wireless)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2471226,00.asp
Above the display is a single speaker port that, in side-by-side tests, sounds indistinguishable from the Moto X's speaker
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Moto X (2014) vs. Droid Turbo: Up close
http://newatlas.com/moto-x-vs-droid-turbo-hands-on/35192/
The larger, single front speaker on the Moto X delivers slightly better audio than the single front speaker on the Droid Turbo does.
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In fact in comparing the Droid Turbo to the HTC 8, this magazine also said one of the flaws was the SINGLE SPEAKER, compared to the stereo speakers of the HTC 8:
Phone Comparisons: Motorola DROID Turbo vs HTC One M8
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/phone-comparisons-motorola-turbo-vs-htc-one-m8.html
The Droid Turbo has a large, single speaker on the front of the device
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This is from 2014 in this very forum:
speaker Issue
4th November 2014, 09:10 AM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/speaker-issue-t2927970
Javiggan69 said:
Can someone check to see when playing music through your speaker if it comes out through both sides or just the left side. If you notice the speaker has two openings on each side. I assume that sound should come out from both sides. Cover the left side and let me know what happens.
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coreywallen said:
turbo has a mono speaker and sound only coming from one side is intended.
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Even the successor Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force) has only ONE speaker, even though it has two speakers ports. On the Droid Turbo2/Moto X Force, it's the left port that is fake. Only the right port works -- the mono speaker is behind it.
THIS was very silly. Just give us stereo speakers! Why pretend? Like we're not going to find out?
Neither the 2014 Droid Turbo nor the 2015 Droid Turbo 2 have stereo speakers -- yet the Moto Nexus 6 DOES have stereo speaker, so we know Motorola knows how to do it!
Can anybody pointout which is the best droid turbo model to buy for unlocking bootloader or preunlocked so twrp can be used n for root n xposed modules ...also being about in KT,LP,MM
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Can anybody point out which is the best droid turbo model to buy for unlocking bootloader or preunlocked so twrp can be used n for root n xposed modules ...also being about in KT,LP,MM
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I assume you are on Verizon? There are other Quark phones besides the Droid Turbo XT1254. Verizon's model is the Droid Turbo XT1254. There's also an identical phone sold by regional CDMA/LTE carriers called the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. Same radio bands, same FCC ID, runs on Verizon with Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6. Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola. It's the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. But only comes in 32GB variant.
There's also the "international" Moto Turbo XT1225 /Moto Maxx XT1225 with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- if you don't need Verizon bands. 64GB only. I own three and run two of them on AT&T. (3rd one is backup, still in the box) Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola.
If you do need Verzion bands, then stick with either the Droid Turbo XT1254 or U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
For the Droid Turbo XT1254, you want SUTL-44 firmware or lower. If lower, you can update to SUTL-44. Sunshine bootloader unlock ($25) only works on SUTL-44 (Lollipop). If it's updated to SUTL-49 (or higher, for people in the future reading this), you are out of luck. Droid Turbo XT1254 comes in 32GB/64GB variants. Once you unlock the bootloader with Sunshine (on SUTL-44), then you can root, install TWRP, xposed, etc.
Only the Droid Turbo XT1254 needs Sunshine to unlock the bootloader and root. The other Quarks are easy to unlock for free.
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I assume you are on Verizon? There are other Quark phones besides the Droid Turbo XT1254. Verizon's model is the Droid Turbo XT1254. There's also an identical phone sold by regional CDMA/LTE carriers called the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. Same radio bands, same FCC ID, runs on Verizon with Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6. Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola. It's the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. But only comes in 32GB variant.
There's also the "international" Moto Turbo XT1225 /Moto Maxx XT1225 with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- if you don't need Verizon bands. 64GB only. I own three and run two of them on AT&T. (3rd one is backup, still in the box) Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola.
If you do need Verzion bands, then stick with either the Droid Turbo XT1254 or U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
For the Droid Turbo XT1254, you want SUTL-44 firmware or lower. If lower, you can update to SUTL-44. Sunshine bootloader unlock ($25) only works on SUTL-44 (Lollipop). If it's updated to SUTL-49 (or higher, for people in the future reading this), you are out of luck. Droid Turbo XT1254 comes in 32GB/64GB variants. Once you unlock the bootloader with Sunshine (on SUTL-44), then you can root, install TWRP, xposed, etc.
Only the Droid Turbo XT1254 needs Sunshine to unlock the bootloader and root. The other Quarks are easy to unlock for free.
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So all models of droid turbo are unlockable unless they r in MM SUTL -49 ...only xti254 is paid unlockable n others are free ? Is there no unlock bootloader under developer mode ? Or like LG via bootkey ? What is this via code method ?? I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..
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I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..
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See, on T-mobile you do NOT need CDMA and you do NOT need LTE band 13. You don't need the Droid Turbo, you can easily use the XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx, clone of the Droid Turbo XT1254) or the XT1225 Moto Turbo/"international" Moto Maxx.
The XT1225 has more HSPA bands, more LTE bands, but does not have CDMA (which you do not need).
Most of the Quarks are called "Moto Maxx". Verizon calls theirs "Droid Turbo". In India, Motorola used "Moto Turbo". Yeah, it can be confusing.
The "Droid Turbo" was NOT NOT NOT an exclusive to Verizon in any way. The exact same phone was sold by other carriers here in the U.S. and around the world. Just like an LG G4 is sold to other carriers here and around the world. The "Droid" name was "exclusive" (and means nothing), the device was not exclusive. The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same FCC ID, exact same radio bands as the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
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So all models of droid turbo are unlockable unless they r in MM SUTL -49 ...only xti254 is paid unlockable n others are free ? Is there no unlock bootloader under developer mode ? Or like LG via bootkey ? What is this via code method ?? I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..
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No, there's no unlock bootloader in developer mode on the Droid Turbo XT1254. That's just to taunt you.
But all QUARK models are unlockable for FREE -- except for the Droid Turbo XT1254. Think of Quark (the model name) like an "LG G4" -- a device sold to different carriers all over the world, and some have different radio bands.
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is Verizon's name for their Quark. In India it was Moto Turbo XT1225. In other parts of the world, " Moto Maxx". SAME device, just different radio bands.
In the U.S. the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254. It's the same, identical CLONE of the XT1254 and has easily unlocked bootloader (for FREE, through code given on Motorola.com) and will run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
You acknowledge you give up your warranty, and Motorola gives you the code which will unlock your bootloader. (Again, only for the XT1225 and XT1250 -- NOT for the Droid Turbo, because Verizon demands Motorola keep the bootloader locked. Makes no sense.)
All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo can be unlocked for free via Motorola. Verizon made Motorola lock down their Quark.
The only way to unlock the bootloader on the Droid Turbo is an exploit Sunshine found which ONLY works on Verizon SUTL-44 firmware. If you find an XT1254 lower than that, you can carefully flash to SUTL-44, but do not let it update past that. IF you the XT1254 is already on SUTL-49 (which was pushed out in May 2016 to block that exploit), you are out of luck.
"SUTL" is Verizon firmware. The other Quarks do not use that nomenclature.
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
otherwise the XT1225 (64GB) is the better phone for most people not on Verizon.
I've written about all this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66972299&postcount=31
Same information, just written slightly differently, maybe easier to understand.
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See, on T-mobile you do NOT need CDMA and you do NOT need LTE band 13. You don't need the Droid Turbo, you can easily use the XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx, clone of the Droid Turbo XT1254) or the XT1225 Moto Turbo/"international" Moto Maxx.
The XT1225 has more HSPA bands, more LTE bands, but does not have CDMA (which you do not need).
Most of the Quarks are called "Moto Maxx". Verizon calls theirs "Droid Turbo". In India, Motorola used "Moto Turbo". Yeah, it can be confusing.
The "Droid Turbo" was NOT NOT NOT an exclusive to Verizon in any way. The exact same phone was sold by other carriers here in the U.S. and around the world. Just like an LG G4 is sold to other carriers here and around the world. The "Droid" name was "exclusive" (and means nothing), the device was not exclusive. The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same FCC ID, exact same radio bands as the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
No, there's no unlock bootloader in developer mode on the Droid Turbo XT1254. That's just to taunt you.
But all QUARK models are unlockable for FREE -- except for the Droid Turbo XT1254. Think of Quark (the model name) like an "LG G4" -- a device sold to different carriers all over the world, and some have different radio bands.
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is Verizon's name for their Quark. In India it was Moto Turbo XT1225. In other parts of the world, " Moto Maxx". SAME device, just different radio bands.
In the U.S. the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254. It's the same, identical CLONE of the XT1254 and has easily unlocked bootloader (for FREE, though code given on Motorola.com) and will run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo can be unlocked for free via Motorola. Verizon made Motorola lock down their Quark.
The only way to unlock the bootloader on the Droid Turbo is an exploit Sunshine found which ONLY works on Verizon SUTL-44 firmware. If you find an XT1254 lower than that, you can carefully flash to SUTL-44, but do not let it update past that. IF you the XT1254 is already on SUTL-49 (which was pushed out in May 2016 to block that exploit), you are out of luck.
"SUTL" is Verizon firmware. The other Quarks do not use that nomenclature.
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
FCC ID IHDT56PK1
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for those who NEED CDMA, NEED LTE band 13, NEED Verizon...
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
otherwise the XT1225 (64GB) is the better phone for most people not on Verizon.
I've written about all this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66972299&postcount=31
Same information, just written slightly differently, maybe easier to understand.
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Thanks so much for detailed explanation