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I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
Steve-x said:
I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
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Rogers Canada has the 1058 , I usually flash at&t Roms but I have flashed t-mobile Roms too.
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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No I don't believe so
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Hmm, bad news for me
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Flash retail developer edition in xt1058 unlocked bootloader
Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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I have a PR XT1058 and I'm running the Retail 4.4 ROM that you mentioned above and it's running fine. Apart from a little higher battery drain (I think), there's nothing to complain about.
I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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How's your battery life?
Thanks you guys, I'll try the dev firmware, the worst thing that can happen is go back to AT&T in case something doesn't work properly
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How's your battery life?
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
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Wow I wish I could say the same! My phone is currently at 15h 55m on battery and I'm down to 47%. Mobile data is off but everything else is on. Screen time is 37m.
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
On the weekend I didn't charge the phone Saturday night, phone was off charger for two days, 3.5 hours of screen on time, still had 25% when I plugged it in last night. I really found my biggest drain was the GPS and wifi looking for location all the time. I could care less if I ever use wifi so I leave it off. I don't want anything tracking me so I prefer to have GPS off completely. It does mean certain features don't work as well as intended though, I can't just ask google to tell me the temperature outside, it will get the location wrong as it has to fall back to my providers wireless IP location which is not that close to me.
Also got my dream phrase to work pretty good, I use "ok skynet now" to get the X to do stuff for me.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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Makes sense...
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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My XT1058 is from Rogers Canada, they allow bootloader unlocking. I don't think it can be done with a locked bootloader.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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Thanks guys. Okay. I'll keep watching for boot loader exploits, or otherwise see about selling my phone to buy a T-Mobile version.
Hi, I also flashed unmodéle XT1058 AmericaMovil with TMO-Rom XT1053 and my Moto x became a 1053 XT, so it's great ROM that determines xTxxx type and not the hardware.
Best rergards - The 4G is already on use in Belgium , with this configuration and carrier BASE . . . Enjoy !
I saw motorola website said that Droid Turbo is lte cat 4, bands 2,3,4,7,17.
In Hong Hong, which is useing lte cat 4, bands 3,7, if i use a unlock Droid Turbo, can it use 4G in Hong Kong?
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am looking for the answer too.. did you ever find out?
Theoretically, it should work. All Verizon phones come unlocked, and the turbo has the correct bands, so there's no reason why it shouldn't work. But there's really only one way to find out. Just make sure it's definitely bands 3 and 7 in your area.
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Theoretically, it should work. All Verizon phones come unlocked, and the turbo has the correct bands, so there's no reason why it shouldn't work. But there's really only one way to find out. Just make sure it's definitely bands 3 and 7 in your area.
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you're right.. the specs say yes too so i guess I'll just have to give it a go and grab one off ebay
yellowchilli said:
you're right.. the specs say yes too so i guess I'll just have to give it a go and grab one off ebay
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Before you do, I'd use LTE discovery on your current phone to make sure you're using the right bands. For example on my phone you can see I'm using LTE band 13.
v useful app there. its not reading my band at the moment so I'll try again when im out and about tomorrow.. appreciate the help mate
I have seen people have success in Italy, Ireland, Kuwait. But I cant connect here in Norway despite having matching bands. Its better to hold off. Im having a big fight with Moto Tech Support right now.
o well too late for me.. mine's already on its way. I guess we'll find out if this works in HK or not
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I saw motorola website said that Droid Turbo is lte cat 4, bands 2,3,4,7,17.
In Hong Hong, which is useing lte cat 4, bands 3,7, if i use a unlock Droid Turbo, can it use 4G in Hong Kong?
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Probably doesn't make any difference to you, but you are quoting the "official" Moto Maxx (XT1225) bands, not the "official" Droid Turbo (XT1254) bands. They are both Motorola "Quark" phones -- but one is branded for U.S. Verizon and the other is being marketed to Latin America countries. Besides the Droid Turbo having CDMA (for Verizon), they also have slightly different LTE bands.
On the end of your string you have LTE band 17. That's Moto Maxx-- not Droid Turbo.
The Droid Turbo has LTE band 13 instead. Droid Turbo has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
And I put "official" in quotes, because QXDM software shows Moto Maxx also has LTE band 5, just as when it went through the U.S.A. FCC certification testing. Motorola apparently does not list that band in the "official" specs, as they decided to market the Moto Maxx to Latin America countries where LTE band 5 is not used. But it's still there.
For your purposes (Hong Kong), since all you need are LTE bands 3, 7 -- ostensibly either model should work.
However, the Moto Maxx has unlockable boot loader, we have root, and TWRP. If you are on XDA, those things are important, yes ? Whereas the Droid Turbo is very locked down. With root, I'm able to install and run Xposed/Gravity Box which gives me all the features of a custom ROM.
appreciate the info ChazzMatt. Wish I knew this before I paid up lol
In any case Im still relieved that LTE works just fine in HK.
Ekkoria said:
Theoretically, it should work. All Verizon phones come unlocked, and the turbo has the correct bands, so there's no reason why it shouldn't work. But there's really only one way to find out. Just make sure it's definitely bands 3 and 7 in your area.
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Probably doesn't make any difference to you, but you are quoting the "official" Moto Maxx (XT1225) bands, not the "official" Droid Turbo (XT1254) bands.
On the end of your string you have LTE band 17. That's Moto Maxx-- not Droid Turbo.
The Droid Turbo has LTE band 13 instead. Droid Turbo has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
And I put "official" in quotes, because QXDM software shows Moto Maxx also has LTE band 5, just as when it went through the U.S.A. FCC certification testing. But Motorola does not list that band in the "official" specs, as they decided to market the Moto Maxx to Latin America countries where LTE band 5 is not used. But it's still there.
For your purposes (Hong Kong), since all you need are LTE bands 3, 7 -- ostensibly either model should work.
However, the Moto Maxx has unlockable boot loader, we have root, and TWRP. If you are on XDA, those things are important, yes ? Whereas the Droid Turbo is very locked down. With root, I'm able to install and run Xposed/Gravity Box which gives me all the features of a custom ROM.
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droid turbo in hong kong
yellowchilli said:
appreciate the info ChazzMatt. Wish I knew this before I paid up lol
In any case Im still relieved that LTE works just fine in HK.
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Which carrier did you use in hong Kong? Also did you have to change any settings on the phone to make it work?
Smartone, 4g on 1800mhz. works perfectly. it did all the apn settings on its own.
I will be taking my verizon XT1060 DE phone to the UK in a couple of weeks. Last time I was there I picked up a gifgaf card but didn't have time to focus on trying to use data. This time, I'd like to be able to use LTE data but most, if not all, carriers in the UK use band 3 and 20. I believe the xt1060 has bands 4 and 13 enabled. Is there any way to enable the UK bands on the phone?
Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
The current XT1060 rom/radio files only supports LTE Bands 4 and 13.
I have seen nothing on enabling other bands, nor have I seen the rom/radio files from other modes which are compatible to flash in order to enable any other LTE bands.
i.e. No matter what the hardware is capable of supporting, as it stands today, you are stuck with LTE Bands 4 and 13 only on the XT1060.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
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just to make this clear:
does the vzw xt1060 has hardware limitations for band 7 or not?
if i flash e.g. the rogers or at&t radios i will result in a phone with imei = 0 until flashing back to the vzw radios?
is the cdma&"worldphone" chipset responsible for this?
thanks in advance
You can't enable bands that aren't supported. That's it. ?
I'm planning to buy a Droid Turbo to use it in Italy. My provider uses LTE frequencies 3,7 and 20. Is the Droid compatible or may I enable them? Thanks!
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I'm planning to buy a Droid Turbo to use it in Italy. My provider uses LTE frequencies 3,7 and 20. Is the Droid compatible or may I enable them? Thanks!
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http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4620
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I'm planning to buy a Droid Turbo to use it in Italy. My provider uses LTE frequencies 3,7 and 20. Is the Droid compatible or may I enable them? Thanks!
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On the Droid Turbo XT1254 you will have 3 and 7. Not 20. IF it could be enabled you would need root to do so.
On the Moto Maxx which DOES have root, people have tried to enable LTE 20 but haven't been able to actually send/receive on that band.
Droid Turbo XT1254 has 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 as well as CDMA, GSM, HSPA bands. Has locked down bootloader and no verified root (yet).
Moto Maxx XT1225 has 2, 3, 4, 5*, 7, 17, as well GSM, HSPA bands. No CDMA on XT1225. Moto Maxx has bootloader than can be unlocked and verified root and custom recovery. (* Yes it has LTE band 5. Search in these threads, I've provided plenty of proof from the FCC to my own modem software scan. And Motorola even admits it on their India Moto Turbo specs page, which is the same phone as the Moto Maxx -- just re-named for legal reasons as there is a "Maxx" carrier in India.)
They are the same QUARK phones, with the same hardware. Motorola just locked down different modem capabilities, depending on where it's sold. So, if you are in Europe and not a Verizon subscriber and especially don't need CDMA, why do you want the Droid Turbo instead of the Moto Maxx?
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On the Droid Turbo XT1254 you will have 3 and 7. Not 20. IF it could be enabled you would need root to do so.
On the Moto Maxx which DOES have root, people have tried to enable LTE 20 but haven't been able to actually send/receive on that band.
Droid Turbo XT1254 has 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 as well as CDMA, GSM, HSPA bands. Has locked down bootloader and no verified root (yet).
Moto Maxx XT1225 has 2, 3, 4, 5*, 7, 17, as well as CDMA, GSM, HSPA bands. Moto Maxx has bootloader than can be unlocked and verified root and custom recovery. (* Yes it has LTE band 5. Search in these threads, I've provided plenty of proof from the FCC to my own modem software scan. And Motorola even admits it on their India Moto Turbo specs page, which is the same phone as the Moto Maxx -- just re-named for legal reasons as there is a "Maxx" carrier in India.)
They are the same QUARK phones, with the same hardware. Motorola just locked down different modem capabilities, depending on where it's sold. So, if you are in Europe and not a Verizon subscriber and especially don't need CDMA, why do you want the Droid Turbo instead of the Moto Maxx?
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Very clear, thanks! Just the Moto Maxx is much more expensive, the best price I found is 700$+shipping and import taxes (around 25%); so not too much far from 1000$, that's too much...
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Very clear, thanks! Just the Moto Maxx is much more expensive, the best price I found is 700$+shipping and import taxes (around 25%); so not too much far from 1000$, that's too much...
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Guess because it only comes in 64GB?
Tried SWAPPA? There's new XT1225 on there for $630 today.
gpvecchi said:
Very clear, thanks! Just the Moto Maxx is much more expensive, the best price I found is 700$+shipping and import taxes (around 25%); so not too much far from 1000$, that's too much...
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I'm Italian, you can use LTE with 3 (FASTWEB, ecc..) ,Tim and Vodafone, but you only have one Frequency for Wind.
P. S. I own a Turbo, but I don't use LTE
Hello,
I was wondering that now with root and BL unlock, is it possible to enable more bands to work with AT&T LTE? I enjoy the Turbo and having H+ only isn't exactly a deal breaker, but LTE would be nice to have yet. Any help appreciated!
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mustafu said:
Hello,
I was wondering that now with root and BL unlock, is it possible to enable more bands to work with AT&T LTE? I enjoy the Turbo and having H+ only isn't exactly a deal breaker, but LTE would be nice to have yet. Any help appreciated!
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Unless the Droid Turbo XT1254 has the AT&T LTE bands, there's no way to "enable" them.
Besides the Turbo already works on almost any carrier, you just have to edit the APN settings for your network.
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Unless the Droid Turbo XT1254 has the AT&T LTE bands, there's no way to "enable" them.
Besides the Turbo already works on almost any carrier, you just have to edit the APN settings for your network.
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Thank you. I was under the impression that the bands were present, just not enabled or something. But the bands just simply aren't there.
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mustafu said:
Thank you. I was under the impression that the bands were present, just not enabled or something. But the bands just simply aren't there.
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That's unfortunate. If you can, you could buy the US Moto Maxx, I'm sure that one has the LTE bands.
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Unless the Droid Turbo XT1254 has the AT&T LTE bands, there's no way to "enable" them.
Besides the Turbo already works on almost any carrier, you just have to edit the APN settings for your network.
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That's unfortunate. If you can, you could buy the US Moto Maxx, I'm sure that one has the LTE bands.
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The Droid Turbo XT1254/U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (same identical device, same FCC ID) does not have all the AT&T bands. AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17.
Only the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225 & Moto Turbo XT1225 has all the AT&T bands. The XT1225 has a different FCC ID from the XT1254/XT1250 -- has no CDMA bands, but has more HSPA bands, and a different mix of LTE bands (bands 5 and 7, but no band 13). The radios between the XT1250/XT1254 and the XT1225 are not compatible, so you cannot flash one over the other.
You CAN use the Droid Turbo/U.S. Moto Maxx on AT&T, but you will not have LTE bands 5 and 17. Here in the Atlanta area, LTE band 17 is used extensively. You would only have LTE bands 2 & 4. For AT&T, you would be missing LTE bands 5 & 17. Which means you would drop down to HSPA (3G) in those areas where 2 & 4 were not available. In metro Atlanta, if I had the Droid Turbo on AT&T I would be on LTE band 2 half the time (north of Atlanta) and HSPA the rest of the time (in Atlanta, and south), since it doesn't have LTE band 17.
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All the Quarks share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, and 7. In the FCC letter it only mentions they share LTE bands 2 & 4, because no U.S. carriers use LTE bands 3 & 7, and the FCC is a U.S. regulatory agency.
Can you "enable" LTE bands 5 & 17 on the XT1254/XT1250?
Conversely, can you enable LTE band 13 on the XT1225?
Theoretically you could, since another Quark model has them... but realistically probably not. Samsung, One Plus, and others manufacturers disable bands not needed on their phones for various regions/carriers -- and by rooting and using modem software (ike QPST/QXDM) people have been able to "enable" additional LTE bands in various Snapdragon phones. The Galaxy S5 in Europe has the bands needed there, and the Galaxy S5 in Latin America has the bands needed there. The bands not needed are disabled via software interface, and by editing that people have been able to create "world" phones with all bands enabled! (Google it.)
The difference in Nexus phones is those bands are NOT disabled.
But that only works if the bands were there to begin with, then disabled by the manufacturer. People have tried to add LTE band 20 (used in Europe) to the Moto XT1225 and were not successful. It would show it was enabled but they could not receive/send any signal on that band. The issue is no Quarks anywhere have LTE band 20, so there's not really an LTE band 20 that can be enabled. Like turning on a light switch that's not connected to anything.
HOWEVER, theoretically, since one variant of Quark has LTE band 13 and the other doesn't, and other variant has LTE band 5 & 17 and the other doesn't, you could create a Quark that had ALL the bands between the two: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13, 17.. But it would depend on if Motorola/Lenovo manufacturer is similar process to Samsung and One Plus. Are all those bands there and they just disable what they don't want? Or do they use completely separate radio firmware for both variants?
I don't have the time or patience to go looking for bands I don't need. I did all the band enabling stuff earlier before Motorola admitted the XT1225 had LTE band 5 already.
This is a screenshot of the "3G" bands in QPST. There's similar interface for the LTE bands. But it was a LOT of hassle, and then I found out the XT1225 already had LTE band 5. It was in the FCC tests, but not in the official specs when first released. Only MONTHS later when the XT1225 was released in India (under the Moto Turbo name) did Motorola finally put LTE band 5 in the specs.
Thanks! That was very informative. I'm ok with HSPA+, which I get 90% of the time and LTE the other 10. The Verizon XT1254 even has a proper "H+" icon, I had read previously it says "3G"
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At least you'll be saving a lot of battery life with this beast of a phone.
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At least you'll be saving a lot of battery life with this beast of a phone.
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Is HSPA+ more battery efficient than LTE I wonder? It's of no consequence since it takes a fair bit of effort to kill the battery in a Turbo, but still curious
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Is HSPA+ more battery efficient than LTE I wonder? It's of no consequence since it takes a fair bit of effort to kill the battery in a Turbo, but still curious
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I think it is, since it's basically just 3G right? I do know that LTE sips your battery like nothing else though.
I ordered the XT1250 on a whim and was apparently confused on what would and wouldn't work. So after reading this and reading some failures others had in enabling band 17, is it safe to assume that I should probably send it back since I won't have good LTE coverage on LTE (especially if I am moving to Atlanta for grad school at GT next semester)? I bought it when I saw the initial xt1225 vs xt1250 vs xt1254 guide that said the 1250 worked with ATT LTE. So it only works with ATT LTE in some areas?
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I ordered the XT1250 on a whim and was apparently confused on what would and wouldn't work. So after reading this and reading some failures others had in enabling band 17, is it safe to assume that I should probably send it back since I won't have good LTE coverage on LTE (especially if I am moving to Atlanta for grad school at GT next semester)? I bought it when I saw the initial xt1225 vs xt1250 vs xt1254 guide that said the 1250 worked with ATT LTE. So it only works with ATT LTE in some areas?
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You won't get LTE band 17 on the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (XT1254 Droid Turbo under another name).
I have AT&T, live in metro Atlanta area and use LTE band 17 quite a bit.
I'm in downtown Atlanta right now at work, and I'm on LTE band 17. North of Atlanta, in the suburbs where I live AT&T uses LTE band 2, and further north towards Chattanooga or west towards Alabama there's a lot of LTE band 4. Georgia Tech of course is smack in downtown Atlanta, so you would be there a lot more than me.
Here's my LTE Discovery log, so you can see.
However, you would still have connectivity on AT&T... You would get LTE bands 2 & 4 where those are available, but you would drop down to HSPA in areas where there was only LTE band 17. Nationwide, AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17. But, in Georgia (and other states I've traveled) I have not encountered LTE band 5 yet.
The XT1250 and XT1254 are identical, down to the FCC ID. Same CDMA, HSPA, and LTE bands.
The XT1225 has a different FCC ID because it has different mix of LTE bands and greater number of LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17), more HSPA bands and no CDMA.
willwalk93 said:
I ordered the XT1250 on a whim and was apparently confused on what would and wouldn't work. So after reading this and reading some failures others had in enabling band 17, is it safe to assume that I should probably send it back since I won't have good LTE coverage on LTE (especially if I am moving to Atlanta for grad school at GT next semester)? I bought it when I saw the initial xt1225 vs xt1250 vs xt1254 guide that said the 1250 worked with ATT LTE. So it only works with ATT LTE in some areas?
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Hard to say...I'm just dealing with HSPA+, I average 5meg down and 1.5-2megs up, so it's adequate for most anything. Of course it pulls LTE some of the time also.
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Gotcha. Thanks guys. I was thinking since Motorola said the antennas were the same that I could enable band 17, but since that's not the case, I may send it back and save up for the xt1225 or the Moto X Force.
willwalk93 said:
Gotcha. Thanks guys. I was thinking since Motorola said the antennas were the same that I could enable band 17, but since that's not the case, I may send it back and save up for the xt1225 or the Moto X Force.
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But is it true that 17 can't be enabled? I'm still looking into this myself as I really don't have the means to get a different phone, at least not one on par with the Verizon Turbo.
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That's kind of what I was getting. I'm still a bit curious. I read in another thread @ChazzMatt said it would be theoretically possible since the Motorola FCC letter stated that they had the same hardware and antenna, but he did not recommend others trying it.
And yeah, I'm a college kid about to start grad school, so I don't have the means to purchase a new international flagship either. I know that if I get the phone and request the unlock code from Motorola, then my warranty is totally void. I'm used to that, I've unlocked and rooted every phone I've ever owned. So if ChazzMatt thinks bands 5 and 17 may actually be there, I'm willing to jump down that rabbit hole if I keep the phone.
EDIT: Also, having grown up in rural MS, 5 megs down is like lightning. My residence wasn't eligible for any internet service better than hughesnet until two months ago when UVerse became available.
willwalk93 said:
That's kind of what I was getting. I'm still a bit curious. I read in another thread @ChazzMatt said it would be theoretically possible since the Motorola FCC letter stated that they had the same hardware and antenna, but he did not recommend others trying it.
And yeah, I'm a college kid about to start grad school, so I don't have the means to purchase a new international flagship either. I know that if I get the phone and request the unlock code from Motorola, then my warranty is totally void. I'm used to that, I've unlocked and rooted every phone I've ever owned. So if ChazzMatt thinks bands 5 and 17 may actually be there, I'm willing to jump down that rabbit hole if I keep the phone.
EDIT: Also, having grown up in rural MS, 5 megs down is like lightning. My residence wasn't eligible for any internet service better than hughesnet until two months ago when UVerse became available.
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If you're willing to jump through the QPST, QXDM, LTE bands calculator and similar software hoops , you can try. But, if it doesn't work for you, don't blame me. Adding LTE bands 5 and 17 to the XT1250/XT1254 is more feasible than trying to add something like LTE band 20 (Europe) since at least another Quark (XT1225) does have them. Or adding LTE band 13 to the XT1225...since the XT1250/XT1254 has it. But I don't need LTE band 13, so I'm not concerned.
I did a crash course in all this last year, before Motorola finally admitted the XT1225 had LTE band 5. It was there in the FCC tests, but then was not listed in the official specs -- for some strange reason -- when the phone was sold in various Latin American countries. (I think Motorola originally was going to sell the XT1225 through AT&T, which is why it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands, then changed their plans.) Then, when the Moto Turbo XT1225, with the same FCC ID as the Moto Maxx XT1225 debuted in India, Motorola finally listed all the LTE bands.
(Two devices with the same FCC ID have identical communication properties, bands, etc. This is by law, due the American Disabilities Act. Handicapped people depend on this stuff and companies can be fined large amounts of money by the government, plus be liable for MILLIONS in lawsuits from eager lawyers. That was why when I found the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo had the same FCC ID, all the arguments for Verizon "exclusivity" were over. Legally, technically, everything, they are the same device. Don't care if they have different Motorola model names or numbers.)
But I went through all this stuff to enable the "missing" LTE band 5, when it was already there!
By the way, when the FCC tests phones, they only test for bands used by U.S. carriers, which is why for instance LTE band 7 is not listed in the FCC test results, but is listed in the official XT1225 specs. It's a band used extensively in Latin America countries.
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If you're willing to jump through the QPST, QXDM, LTE bands calculator and similar software hoops , you can try. But, if it doesn't work for you, don't blame me. Adding LTE bands 5 and 17 to the XT1250/XT1254 is more feasible than trying to add something like LTE band 20 (Europe) since at least another Quark (XT1225) does have them. Or adding LTE band 13 to the XT1225...since the XT1250/XT1254 has it. But I don't need LTE band 13, so I'm not concerned.
I did a crash course in all this last year, before Motorola finally admitted the XT1225 had LTE band 5. It was there in the FCC tests, but then was not listed in the official specs -- for some strange reason. (I think Motorola originally was going to sell the XT1225 through AT&T, which is why it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands.) Then, when the Moto Turbo XT1225, with the same FCC ID as the Moto Maxx XT1225 debuted in India, Motorola finally listed all the LTE bands.
But I went through all this stuff to enable the "missing" LTE band 5, when it was already there!
By the way, when the FCC tests phones, they only test for bands used by U.S. carriers, which is why for instance LTE band 7 is not listed in the FCC test results, but is listed in the official XT1225 specs. It's a band used extensively in Latin America countries.
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Oh, I certainly wouldn't blame you. You never claimed it would actually work, just that it was possible. I haven't read through all the nitty gritty details of the process yet, since I was on the fence about using it. But I do have three questions before I try it:
1) How long do you think it would take?
2) Would I need to repeat the process any time I flashed a new ROM?
3) Is the risk of failure limited more to the bands just not being there or actually hard bricking the phone?
If the process doesn't take a terribly long time and the phone comes in by Wednesday (which it should), I can try it before I head to Georgia Tech for a visit Thursday.
willwalk93 said:
Oh, I certainly wouldn't blame you. You never claimed it would actually work, just that it was possible. I haven't read through all the nitty gritty details of the process yet, since I was on the fence about using it. But I do have three questions before I try it:
1) How long do you think it would take?
2) Would I need to repeat the process any time I flashed a new ROM?
3) Is the risk of failure limited more to the bands just not being there or actually hard bricking the phone?
If the process doesn't take a terribly long time and the phone comes in by Wednesday (which it should), I can try it before I head to Georgia Tech for a visit Thursday.
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1. I wouldn't rush it
2. No, if successful, the changes would be permanent and persist between ROMs
3. Not sure, if you refer to answer 1 though, you should be alright
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Sweet. I may give it a shot. I'm rocking band 2 lte at my current location and back home, so worst case scenario, I don't get it. I'll let you know if I get it working. I'll have to get the phone and unlock the bootloader and all then familiarize myself with Motorola procedures since I'm used to HTC and Samsung.
willwalk93 said:
Sweet. I may give it a shot. I'm rocking band 2 lte at my current location and back home, so worst case scenario, I don't get it. I'll let you know if I get it working. I'll have to get the phone and unlock the bootloader and all then familiarize myself with Motorola procedures since I'm used to HTC and Samsung.
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Cool, I'm gonna do the same and I'll let ya know if I manage it also. I was looking around at alternative phone options, but honestly, my Turbo doesn't leave me wanting
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