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Should Samsung allow return and refund if GPS isn't fixed?

What do you think? If Samsung is unable to repair the GPS via a future software update, would you just accept it, or would demand your money back?

I would demand my money back.
It's near useless for me as it is now.

Now I'm carrying two devices. My 3GS to continue using my TomTom, do my email, read my news. But I use the SGS for Internet on the go (at home I use my iPad). Hate carrying two devices having to make one a hotspot.

Here's a thought. Go ask your retailer. You are entitled to your money back if you aren't happy with the GPS. Have you even tried yet?
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bushrat; said:
Here's a thought. Go ask your retailer. You are entitled to your money back if you aren't happy with the GPS. Have you even tried yet?
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Yes, I've tried. They want me to pay penalty for breaking the contract, and they would not accept the phone back. They would only replace it within 14 days with another new phone. After 14 days, they will only repair the phone, but not give me a new replacement. The Telco shop only acts as the middleman, and responsibility lies with Samsung to them.
Had I taken the $59 per month plan, then I could return it, no question asked within 7 days, and I only have to pay for any calls and data use. But I'm on the $49 per month plan because I wanted to commit myself to using Android by burning my own bridge. It's a mistake on hindsight. I didn't expect it to be so bad.
I feel that Samsung should work with the Telco to do exactly what Apple and ATT did, which is to allow people to back out of the contract without penalty, and have the phone returned. After all, this is a far far more seriously problem than in iPhone 4 in my mind at least.

The responsibility (under Australian law) is with the retailer, although they consult with a specialist (ie the manufacturer) to determine if there's a fault.
If the phone is faulty, and does not perform the task for which it was purchased you are entitled to a full refund of the purchase price.
www . accc . gov . au

Have faith that It will be fixed, since the phone is still in very early days.
I'm putting my trust in Samsung! Hopefully we won't get burned.

yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think

Eaglesteve, surely you have consumer protection laws in Aus? The device is clearly not fit for purpose, therefore breaking the terms of your contract In the UK all major retailers will try to sell additional cover or insurance; although the consumer protection act makes them legally obligated to repair or replace electrical goods for up to 5 years after the date of purchase. My point; retailers rely heavily on consumer ignorance You didn't purchase the device directly from samsung, the store can't absolve responsibility by claiming to be a "middle man".. plus most sales assistants know jack **** about the legalities of your agreement.
Write a formal complaint to the retailers head office, send the letter via recorded delivery and state that you've been advised to provide a response period of 14 days before taking your complaint further. You don't want to look for a replacement, make it clear that it's a manufacturing fault and not specific to your device. There should be an AUS ombudsman that deals with consumer complaints (bit.ly/8Xl55G), find the correct governing body and lodge a formal complaint, they should provide a reference for your case; include it in the letter to the retailer. In the UK you would then be able to take your complaint to the small claims court, however most companies will **** bricks and fold before it reaches this stage. The bottom line is the device was sold to you for its GPS capabilities, the information provided by the retailer mislead you to into the agreement; you've signed up under false pretences, reason enough for the contract to be declared void

sensi_ said:
yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think
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Im gonna flash to JM2 today, but Im getting a bit weary of the faith in Samsung.
Firstly, I'd point out that Samsung announced the phone in March. Three months perfecting the phone, and they still couldn't get the GPS sorted.
Another month later and with many firmware releases during that time, and still it doesn't look like its fixed. (though I haven't tried JM2 yet - in any event, the rumour is that it still doesn't fix onto more than 8 satellites despite seeing more, and it still doesn't lock onto anything with an SnR < 20)
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Simon

yup, as far as samsung is concerned the device is already sold, they sell it on big bulks to retailers
it's the retailer duty to either give you the refund or not.
samsung will only accept RMA, or Warranty services

eaglesteve said:
I feel that Samsung should work with the Telco to do exactly what Apple and ATT did, which is to allow people to back out of the contract without penalty, and have the phone returned. After all, this is a far far more seriously problem than in iPhone 4 in my mind at least.
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IIRC (it's been a while since I bought the original iPhone), this isn't something new due to antenna gate and it's just Apple's spin machine doing what they do well. Contracts in the US telecom industry, not just on AT&T, are written in a way that this review period exists.
The only difference here is that there is a slight difference in restocking fees, where they wont be applied like they have at times in the past. This isn't really "Apple working with AT&T" as much as touting a possibility that typically exists, there are certain exceptions by carrier but one reason why AT&T isn't combating this is the same reason they were hesitant to accept Android phones, and they ultimately gimp Android phones, Apple is just $$$$ to them. Once again AT&T beat their quarterly record for profitability and they are the most profitable carrier in the US even though they are #2 in customers. Needless to say, they are at the whims of Apple, but this isn't a big compromise on either's behalf.

Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/18/samsung-captivate-now-available-from-att/
Some people here have returned it to AT&T, while I don't know it has been penalty free, I think you need to not put the onus on Samsung and need to have a better comparison in-mind.

sensi_ said:
yea if you send it to the manufacturer they will 'try' to fix it, and its its hardware they obv cant anyway, then you just complain again once u get it back and im assuming they would have to give you your money back.
id just be patient and wait a few more weeks for samsung to release their firmware, or just use the JM2 which fixes it i think
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I'm waiting for my replacement now. If the GPS still doesn't work, I might do that. As for JM2, I don't believe it do anything based on whatever limited reading I did on some of those threads.

sjdean said:
Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.
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I guess there's two main to three main things that could be at play here:
1) GPS isn't important to these people, therefore they are voting on their bias rather than from an objective viewpoint
2) GPS isn't a core functionality, therefore it's hard to say it justifies a return or that it is "faulty" as you put it
3) GPS is imprecise by nature, so users who have a strong need for it should be more informed about their purchase and the onus is on them to do their hw or lay in the bed they've made.
I am abstaining because I find the premise somewhat flawed, first of all. I think retailers and/or carriers are responsible, just like in other industries/product lines. If I buy a wireless router that doesn't perform well in, let's say it's wired performance I don't go direct to the manufacturer there. If I buy a camera that advertises 12MP but seems to produce ****ty results, I again, go to my retailer. In here, I also have a slight bias, originally being in the U.S. where we typically buy are phones through a carrier who give us a bit of extra protection because of the way contracts are set up they don't want to lose a customer totally (also part of the premise of the argument is based on a carrier logic that I don't think is applicable in this thread, but that might just be my opinion and I'm alone there).
So, I think the premise is flawed, and perhaps my logic is flawed, but I don't want to just vote "no" just because if either is flawed. However, I don't disagree with the "no" camp.

Lots of good advice from many of you. I'll have to talk to them if mynnext unit does not work. I hope it will work, since half the people polled claim that theirs are perfect.
If it does not work, I'll reason with Optus to get bout of the contract. I wonder how much of the $49 is for the phone and how much is for the data and calls. Should I simply withhold my payment, return the ozone, and pay them for actual calls and data used?

sjdean said:
Amazing. So far, 1/3 of people are happy to accept faulty goods.
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Yeah that's just the Samsung reps voting.

eaglesteve said:
Lots of good advice from many of you. I'll have to talk to them if mynnext unit does not work. I hope it will work, since half the people polled claim that theirs are perfect.
If it does not work, I'll reason with Optus to get bout of the contract. I wonder how much of the $49 is for the phone and how much is for the data and calls. Should I simply withhold my payment, return the ozone, and pay them for actual calls and data used?
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Depends on how much you paid for the phone. 24 month contract? Tmo is selling their, slightly gimped model for $500 USD, I think that's on the high end of what they might get from international suppliers, depending on how big they are even though the international version is more costly.
So, ~500USD/24~20USD/month, maybe less, if fully subsidized. Forgive me for cutting corners and not looking into your location specifically, but I figure it's better than looking for the absolute cheapest UK/Euro/Thailand location.

There is no upfront cost for the phone. Just 24 months x $49. I had offered to continue with the plan but with an alternative phone and topping up the difference in monthly fee) but they refused that.

Ordered with jump, quick question T-Mobile guys.

Last night at 1am I did an upgrade, thought it was through jump but was just a regular upgrade. Now I have two EIP's which is fine the balance on the nexus 5 is low.
My concern is that the nexus 6 will mess up jump even though my line has jump coverage.
I need it for the insurance coverage. Rep said only way to do a real jump upgrade is to refuse the package and try again. Forgot to ask her about insurance.
Any one have any idea if I'll be covered?

lightsout said:
Last night at 1am I did an upgrade, thought it was through jump but was just a regular upgrade. Now I have two EIP's which is fine the balance on the nexus 5 is low.
My concern is that the nexus 6 will mess up jump even though my line has jump coverage.
I need it for the insurance coverage. Rep said only way to do a real jump upgrade is to refuse the package and try again. Forgot to ask her about insurance.
Any one have any idea if I'll be covered?
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The EIP in Jump is tied to the phone, not the line. So if you did a regular upgrade, you might have a separate EIP that isn't part of Jump. I'd confirm with T-Mobile that you do have an EIP for your Nexus 6 and be sure to get the details of its coverage.
Typically when you do a Jump upgrade, you turn in the previous Jump device, which sounds like a Nexus 5 that you purchased from T-Mobile. When they accept your previous device any balance remaining to pay it off is cleared and you start over with your new Jump device. Doing Jump upgrades can't be done online, only in a T-Mobile store.
If your getting a N6 sent to you by T-Mobile, instead of refusing the package I'd talk to a manager at the T-Mobile store to see if you can "return it" and then rebuy it under your Jump upgrade. As difficult as it is to get this phone, go for the solution in which you get to keep it.
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I had a similar issue.
I went to T-mobile yesterday to get the phone with my Jump upgrade. I wanted to put 100$ down on the phone. Originally he told me for whatever reason it wouldn't go thruogh even thoughI was paying for jump, I wasn't using it.
He said if I went the non jump route, they would give me the trade in value of my phone and I'd be responsible for the remaining EIP balance, and then the balance of the nexus 6 as well. I can't remember if I had to put money down on the nexus through this route or if it was still 0$ down.
My issue ended up being resolved because of something else, but it looks like you get more for your phone through the jump program. They pay off the balance, where as with a non-jump upgrade you only get the trade in value of your phone, not necessarily how much you still owe on it.
Without jump my Note 3 was $260 trade in. With Jump it was was remaining balance on my EIP account $350
Its possible you would have to put some money down on the phone if you go the non jump route. .. Not sure if they do financing for that method.
Hope that makes sense. Hope I helped

Thanks guys, indeed I do have two EIP's now. I put down $60 and am now paying monthly for my old nexus 5 and the new 6. If the only difference is the trade in on my phone thats fine. Because I don't owe much. But I'm pretty sure jump is also how tmobile handles insurance on the phones. I'll have to call them back today and clarify.

soljaofjesus said:
I had a similar issue.
I went to T-mobile yesterday to get the phone with my Jump upgrade. I wanted to put 100$ down on the phone. Originally he told me for whatever reason it wouldn't go thruogh even thoughI was paying for jump, I wasn't using it.
He said if I went the non jump route, they would give me the trade in value of my phone and I'd be responsible for the remaining EIP balance, and then the balance of the nexus 6 as well. I can't remember if I had to put money down on the nexus through this route or if it was still 0$ down.
My issue ended up being resolved because of something else, but it looks like you get more for your phone through the jump program. They pay off the balance, where as with a non-jump upgrade you only get the trade in value of your phone, not necessarily how much you still owe on it.
Without jump my Note 3 was $260 trade in. With Jump it was was remaining balance on my EIP account $350
Its possible you would have to put some money down on the phone if you go the non jump route. .. Not sure if they do financing for that methodHope that makes sense. Hope I helped
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Yes, that's how T-Mobile handles their subscribers now. Since they "did away" with Service Contracts, they allow subscribers to purchase phones and pay for them over a 2-year period. Once the device is paid off, it's your to do what you wish. To clarify, you can leave T-Mobile whenever you'd like, but you'd have to pay the balance for the device. You also don't have to wait 2 years to pay off the phone, you can do it from day one, in a week, or a year. The key to understand is that once that it's paid off, the device is yours and the carrier is suppsoed to provide you with a Network Unlock PIN (doesn't apply to Nexus/GPE devices; only carrier locked).
lightsout said:
Thanks guys, indeed I do have two EIP's now. I put down $60 and am now paying monthly for my old nexus 5 and the new 6. If the only difference is the trade in on my phone thats fine. Because I don't owe much. But I'm pretty sure jump is also how tmobile handles insurance on the phones. I'll have to call them back today and clarify.
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Yes. From T-Mobile's Jump FAQ
JUMP! includes Premium Handset Protection (PHP), which covers accidental damage, mechanical breakdown, loss, and theft, and provides a replacement phone up to two times in twelve months after the deductible or any processing fees are paid. If a device is damaged and does not pass the 3-point inspection at trade in, you must file a claim for the damaged device through PHP and pay the deductible or any processing fee to replace it before a trade-in for an upgrade can be initiated. However, this can be handled in one visit to a participating T-Mobile store. If you want to file a PHP claim but not process an upgrade, you can call the vendor directly without a store visit.
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So I spoke with T-Mobile and they said insurance will be covered just as it would have if I did a jump order.
Only difference being I don't get to trade in my phone to get rid of the previous EIP.
So I'm good to go thanks folks.

Will T-mobile let us keep the note 7 for free?

Will they let us keep it and refund us and make us eligible for an upgrade, like some Verizon customers have stated?

My mother always told me (nothing in life is free) lol
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ronattack said:
Will they let us keep it and refund us and make us eligible for an upgrade, like some Verizon customers have stated?
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Let you keep it AND refund you? Not very likely. And since every Note 7 in the field is a litigation ticking time bomb, I doubt they'd want you to keep it either.
I've railed about T-Mobile's horrible customer service throughout this ordeal. But the fact is: T-Mobile is the middle man here. Morally speaking they hold an obligation to their customers. Legally, not so much. That said, I don't see them doing much that Samsung won't reimburse them for.

ronattack said:
Will they let us keep it and refund us and make us eligible for an upgrade, like some Verizon customers have stated?
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Verizon isn't letting you keep the phone.. they're telling you to ship it to Samsung and letting Samsung be responsible for the return of devices. If owners decide to keep it, then I'm not sure what happens after that but I'm pretty sure it won't be a free phone.
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shook187 said:
Verizon isn't letting you keep the phone.. they're telling you to ship it to Samsung and letting Samsung be responsible for the return of devices. If owners decide to keep it, then I'm not sure what happens after that but I'm pretty sure it won't be a free phone.
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I just checked T-Mobile and Verizon's website. Their instructions are pretty much identical. Bring the phone to the store for either an exchange or refund. It's not surprising that Verizon is more ****ed up about what to do than T-Mobile is.
http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/

Found this out at a TMO store when the first recall happened. IF your Note 7 was "lost or stolen" you'd have to pay the $175 deductible BUT that deductible went towards the cost of the replacement phone...let that sink in for a minute. Of course your "lost or stolen" phone would be blacklisted on the Tmo Network.
This was only for the Note 7.
BTW if you damaged or damage your Note 7, you do NOT have to pay an insurance fee due to the recall. You get a Get Out Of Jail Free card with this one.

douger1957 said:
I just checked T-Mobile and Verizon's website. Their instructions are pretty much identical. Bring the phone to the store for either an exchange or refund. It's not surprising that Verizon is more ****ed up about what to do than T-Mobile is.
http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/
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That's old news buddy... Verizon is giving instant refunds and removing phones off customers accounts having Samsung responsible for retreating phones.
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shook187 said:
That's old news buddy... Verizon is giving instant refunds and removing phones off customers accounts having Samsung responsible for retreating phones.
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Then maybe Verizon should update their website. I take that as their official word over whatever some flunky customer service rep says.

. Every t mobile Customer should have their EIP closed so it's a free phone yes.... o Checked my t mobile online account today and it says that I paid off my EIP. Called the customer rep and she told me I don't have any EIP. Now it's time for some rooting lol

phenixof4 said:
. Every t mobile Customer should have their EIP closed so it's a free phone yes.... o Checked my t mobile online account today and it says that I paid off my EIP. Called the customer rep and she told me I don't have any EIP. Now it's time for some rooting lol
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I already updated to the latest firmware, so rooting is out for me if I keep this phone through any eventuality. Oculus disabled the Gear VR, so I can't use that! Then there is always the small but ever present danger this phone could go up in smoke, probably at the worst possible time! What's more, Engadget says production has been 'permanently' halted, so, if true, no hope of a third 'fixed' version! Nothing else out there that I want, so, so depressing!:crying:

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I already updated to the latest firmware, so rooting is out for me if I keep this phone through any eventuality. Oculus disabled the Gear VR, so I can't use that! Then there is always the small but ever present danger this phone could go up in smoke, probably at the worst possible time! What's more, Engadget says production has been 'permanently' halted, so, if true, no hope of a third 'fixed' version! Nothing else out there that I want, so, so depressing!:crying:
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Then there's the chance that they'll shut your service off by the IMEI.

Wow, if this true x-mas coming early this year, I can always use tablet and still have my N3 for phone calls, my only regret is updating the phone to latest firmware (seems I can't learn this lesson, don't fix it if it ain't broke, updates are mostly not for my benefit), I wish I could root it now, more than ever. If I was rooted I could change IMEI to one of my older phones, I'm such an idiot for updating.

Nope, but I can confirm they let you keep EVERYTHING it came with. Just swapped mine for the S7edge again. They gave me the pen as a keepsake...lol, and didn't want the box or anything else.

LOL

phenixof4 said:
. Every t mobile Customer should have their EIP closed so it's a free phone yes.... o Checked my t mobile online account today and it says that I paid off my EIP. Called the customer rep and she told me I don't have any EIP. Now it's time for some rooting lol
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Not mine. It still showing up on my account.

Eip still showing up on mine too...i dont want a refund lol I want my note 7 with future updates and support. This blows. I really hate downgrading. T mobile did tell me there isn't a time frame for a return/refund. So I'm keeping it at least until the beginning of the year or given a time limit. I also heard they are releasing the s7 edge in blue coral. I make swap the note 7 out for that if we can't keep these notes for free (which I doubt)

but if the phone is lost or stolen, are they going to charge you full price for it? all those returned phones should be going to landfill and I'm not sure they will be paying for shipping back to Samsung, which could be dangerous all by itself. Also, I'm not a lawyer but if they keep charging you for the phone, they keep the sale of the phone valid and possibly liability attached to that sale. If the sale is void and you're instructed to return the phone either to Samsung or Tmo store, then I would think liability would shift to person not following the instructions? I don't know, but we will see soon. I also don't think there should be a time limit, so what happens if I return the phone 6 months from now? In 10 months we should have Note 8 (or whatever rebranding they come up with). I'm going to wait and see, I think I have higher chance of getting injured by texting distracted driver than my phone catching fire and I wouldn't even dream of not driving anymore.

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I already updated to the latest firmware, so rooting is out for me if I keep this phone through any eventuality. Oculus disabled the Gear VR, so I can't use that! Then there is always the small but ever present danger this phone could go up in smoke, probably at the worst possible time! What's more, Engadget says production has been 'permanently' halted, so, if true, no hope of a third 'fixed' version! Nothing else out there that I want, so, so depressing!:crying:
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I so agree i am torn to stay with samsung or maybe try the new LG V20 but no other phone out there says damn i need to have that like the Note 7, I am thinking of going to the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge or just back to Note 5 because at this point i got the Gear fit 2 the Gear VR and the 256gig card was just shipped so best bet is just to stay with Samsung and wait till something better comes out.

douger1957 said:
Let you keep it AND refund you? Not very likely. And since every Note 7 in the field is a litigation ticking time bomb, I doubt they'd want you to keep it either.
I've railed about T-Mobile's horrible customer service throughout this ordeal. But the fact is: T-Mobile is the middle man here. Morally speaking they hold an obligation to their customers. Legally, not so much. That said, I don't see them doing much that Samsung won't reimburse them for.
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I've had exceptional customer service with them through this ordeal. The local store wouldn't refund me for my LED case or Seidio case since it wasn't purchased from their store. I made a call to T-Mobile and told them I wasn't pleased with the experience and was credited on my bill for the two cases - just asked me how much I paid for them.

Scam detected? topic of speculation-conspiracy

Hey there guys,
i am coming from a topic overa Samsung Note and it's trouble to reverse it to a somewhat original state.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/help-unroot-note-8-via-flash-odin-t3740773
And i am making this thread in the hope that this is a better place to discuss my conspiracy speculation.
To summarize a bit of the original thread:
a buddy of mine got a Note 8 from a shady seller and it turned out that it had a custom rom.
In the phone knox got triggered by the seller and that makes the phone very unuseful.
The guy that "sold" my buddy this Note 8 seemed to be very eager to give it to him. At first he made an offer on local ebay and said that he didn't want his note 8 because it is rooted and modded etc.
My buddy made an agreement with him to exchange his older less worth samsung, which was all original and unrooted, for the sellers note 8. The seller complied although the difference in worth was approx. 250 Euro.
My buddy was happy that he made great deal... at first...
Later we found out that the same seller is selling my buddies old phone on local ebay again and surprise surprise it's rooted and modded again and offered for a much smaller price than what it's worth.
Now... is it possible to root and hack those phones with lets say... keyloggers and give them to unsuspected customers that enter all their account data and banking information?
Otherwise i have no idea why this seller is practically almost giving them away for nothing and is rooting formerly unrooted devices and sells them with the point that he doesn't want rooted devices and losing money with every trade.
Scam detected? What do you think?

puzzlednerd said:
Scam detected? What do you think?
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Entirely possible LOL. I suggest just ignoring it and flashing a proper custom rom.

Unlock AT&T On Galaxy S20 FE ?...

Guys can you help me? I bought a phone which was on AT&T but seller promised it is paid off. Well, it came on instalment plan. AT&T refuses to unlock at least becasue I don't know the real owner)))Any chance I can unlock it through Odin or somehow else? I did previously unlock from Google but this thing happened first.... The reason I'm asking - I can't return, there is uneligible to get refund item..... I didn't see that first. I would be happy if you can tell that it can be unlocked))) Please help.

unlocked for other networks probably yeah, but you'd need a paid service for that. might as well take it to the kind of shop that does that stuff (assuming you have those where you are). there's online unlock sites too but I know nothing about them other than they're not free either.

Probably have to pay balance. Have seen this happen to others

butchieboy said:
Probably have to pay balance. Have seen this happen to others
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the balance remaining on the phone could be dozens of times more than the cost of paying an unlocking service. plus the network now knows the phone was sold, if they were going to blacklist it they would've done it already.

Ok. Just saying what I have heard happen to others

butchieboy said:
Ok. Just saying what I have heard happen to others
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yes it's good for people to know, it's unfair on those who buy phones in good faith.

If you used a Visa or MC to buy the phone, send it back insured/signature required and take detailed photos of it and packaging. Double box it.
Then file a claim with the card company for a full refund. Call the card company today and get it started instead of being part of the scam.
You can also file a complaint with your state attorney general if it's in the USA. Most states will go after the perp. That is also mail fraud if ship by USPS and well as wire fraud.
Don't play the game... beat it to death so others don't get scammed☠

Some people just suck..lol. hope it all works out.