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Just curious if anyone is working on a custom kernel. Battery life on the stock kernel seems not so great.
I personally would like to see a kernel aimed toward 1. better battery 2. customization and 3. performance.
Thanks in advance
Customization would be great, but I can't see how we could get even more battery life than we're already getting. It feels like moto has already squeezed the blood out of the turnip with this little battery.
Think the battery is quite good on 4.4.4. Not so good on lollipop
Wish I knew more of doing this lol. The screen is way too warm for my tastes. A custom kernel which at least has RGB customization would be amazing for this phone!
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Wish I knew more of doing this lol. The screen is way too warm for my tastes. A custom kernel which at least has RGB customization would be amazing for this phone!
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Did you have a Samsung before? This is my first non-sammy device in four years. I LOVE it but the screen colors are warm as you say. I am use to over saturation from hell.
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Did you have a Samsung before? This is my first non-sammy device in four years. I LOVE it but the screen colors are warm as you say. I am use to over saturation from hell.
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I haven't had a Samsung since the S II lol. I'm more of a colder screen person such ala Apple devices (I know... lol). I mean this isn't bad bad; just a touch bluer and I'd be super happy. I'm using a screen adjuster app right now but I'd prefer to do some low level tweaking at the kernel level over a screen tinter app. But alas, I don't know too much about building kernels! It doesn't even appear as if Motorola has pushed out the kernel source for Lollipop yet.
I'm coming from the N6 (returned within my 14 days...usability just wasn't there for me, way too big to be practical as a phone) which I had just flashed a custom kernel and was able to tweak the RGB just to my liking so I'm hurting a bit here!!! LOL
So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
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I don't think expecting a phone that's a little over a year old, (That was a flagship mind you), to run smoothly is unreasonable. While it's pushing more pixels than the 5x, the processor should be quite similar, along with an extra GB of ram.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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I am running a modified stock ROM now that has encryption turned off, and it is a little better, but unfortunately you're right, it's not night and day.
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I have none of these issues on my 6
Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I've had my Nexus for 13 months. (Purchased in February 2015). I've rooted and run various ROMs on the device over the last year. Since I have the Next plan with AT&T I've been planning on upgrading soon so a couple weeks ago I went back to unrooted stock. Since then I've been having the same issues you mention. I don't have a 5x to compare to, but it is definitely lagging a lot more than before. Last night I was trying to view something on Amazon, and it just sat there with a white screen. Many times my keyboard stays floating above the homescreen when I press the "home" softkey, or stays floating after I am done typing in Facebook, messenger etc. It just LAGS big time. Also the battery drain has been horrendous. I've been getting so PO'd at it I've been tempted to go get a Note (GASP!) Last night was the last straw I uninstalled swiftkey (been a avid user for years never an issue) and the CM Locker I had installed so I could have a different lock screen photo (since I'm no longer rooted). I'm giving it 24 hours, and if it is still acting up, I am either re-rooting or upgrading (although there's like NOTHING that I like right now for devices).
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Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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I just did that. Hopefully that helps with my issue too.
Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
Try turn off animations anyway, you don't have to be rooted, unlocked, yust tap build number 7 times, back to settings/ developer options and put to 0 trazitions, animations,animator..and optionally reboot.
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Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
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Have to say, I have none of those issues as someone else also stated. If it does the same on stock, it might be hardware related. How does the phone behave in recovery? Is scrolling as normal? What recovery are you using? And when you say you went back to stock, did you do a complete factory reset including deleting all your personal data? If so, you can also try re-locking your bootloader and unlocking it and then flash factory image from Google. That will also erase everything off your device, including personal data.
With thousands of people here on XDA using a Nexus 6, your issue seems to be specific to you and your device. Maybe it is a screen/digitizer issue.
Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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I'm on the March build. I usually fastboot flash every img myself, then do a factory reset in recovery when trying to get back to stock..This time I just used the Flash-All.bat for the March image and I'll do some testing. I doubt this method is the difference, I'm grasping at straws. I'm semi concerned now if no one else is having these issues...Or maybe my expectations are just too high.
Perhaps I'll try a screen recording app and see if I can capture what I'm running into. It's not all apps, and it's not all the time, but its definitely noticeable.
you're not alone. i recently picked up a ZTE zmax 2 and did a side by side app load speed test. the ZTE zmax 2 loaded up youtube noticeably faster, had thumbnails faster, and played faster when clicking play. the zmax 2 is a midrange ATT phone with Snapdragon 410, 2gb ram, 720p screen. it costs $99 at best buy today..
I've noticed this too between my Nexus 6 (purchased 4/2015) and my wife's Nexus 6 (purchased 10/2015). Hers is noticeably smoother.
I do have occasional screen tearing on mine when I use certain kernel/ROMs, so maybe it's janky hardware.
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I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
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I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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Is your wife g3 on 6.0 marshmellow?
Flashing stock over again really didn't do much for performance. I Did however root it, and increase the GPU clock (Actually set it to performance idles at 300mhz then shoots to 600hmz), and that does seem to help. I can sacrifice battery for better performance in this instance.
Have to agree, at around the end of the day (by 40% battery) my phone slows down. I went pure stock. A quick reboot fixes it. But a tad frustrating
Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
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Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
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I kind of miss KitKat too and I did go back for a while, the reason I came back to MM Concept is because KitKat isn't perfect either. The notifications are miles better on LP and MM.
I agree that KitKat was simpler and Android 4.4.4 is probably my favorite version.
Antuntu and other benchmarks don't mean anything for daily use unless you play 3d games. There are videos on you tube showing that kitkat is faster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx06yJMVT-U
Faster boot on kitkat was due to Dalvik, since Android 5.0 default runtime is ART. But I don't see why is that important, we don't boot our phone 10 times per day, do we?
I don't think there is a discussion on the forums about this, I would like to se it too but I think that people just jump to latest and greatest software...
Month ago I had Xperia Play wit GingerBread, now I have Z3C wit LP. I've tried LP and MM deeper. It's a big difference from GB. KK is much closer to GB, more "classic Android". Lolipop has much better SystemUI and almost all modifications is for LP. For KK there is only few mods for sound and that's all. I like KK cause backward compatibility too. On newer Android many older games like FIFA 12 are unplayable.
Time for Marshmallow will come in future. Today I don't see any advantage to use Android 6. There are no apps or games requiring it. Almost all apps want max 4.4. Speed or multitasking is in my opinion the same in all of the three versions - honestly Z3C has too much power that few percent in terms of performance is useless. The only reason to use MM is Xperia X camera framework in SLIMM 1.9 ROM (but this version is too buggy) - on the other hand, for Lolipop there are Z5 camera files.
Generaly the best from these three is (in my opinion) Lolipop. It looks nice, it's "reskined" Kittkat with some new and better features, has biggest fan support, it's stable, fast and complete - all features working as they should and nothing is missing. Almost all Xposed modules are compatible or has version that is compatible with Lolipop. Marhsmallow breaks the classic - some features are on different places, are little bit different at all and some of them aren't there completely (stamina - in latest build is only "something" like stamina; Dualshock 3 support and so on). There is to much to improve. Kittkat is for old school users, which want better compatibility with older apps or want to play SHIELD games, cause they don't run on Lolipop or Marshmallow in my case.
I just installed KK for a go, and it's pretty snappy, I don't miss lockscreen notifications from LP because I don't use them. All the functions I use are still there and with Xperia Xposed all the UI tweaks I like are still available. I'm not sure I'll notice an improvement in battery life because it was still pretty good on LP but I'll watch for that as most reports tend to favour KK in this department. I was thinking about what you (Miicheall) said about gaming, and there's this game I've been wanting to try for awhile (Army of Darkness Defence) and could never get it to work on LP, so I just installed it on KK and hey what do you know it works!
I have to correct myself - SHIELD games like Half-Life 2 or Portal are playable on Lollipop - on MM not. Many games working on KK but on higher version not. So good luck and have fun
KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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LP Is very stable, battery is great if you decide to take effort and install greenify and limit app permissions and wakelocks. Marshmallow honestly at this point is not that good with most users reporting the Doze feature being somewhat useless
You're having a laugh LP was the worst OS update by Google for some time, it's been beset with nothing but trouble.
I know this is not the norm according to reports but monitoring battery usage with 3c toolbox LP in idle is drawing less ma than KK in idle, both are set up with stamina... same settings with sync, gps, and lte off, about 50% brightness... Go figure. I'm using both with Moly82'm debloated versions for comparison so that could have something to do with it. LP shows about 100 more apps when booting VS moly82's KK version too so that isn't factoring in as an advantage with battery life.
I'm also liking the ability for 32-bit audio output in lollipop which is wonderful and does make an audible improvement with Neutron, Camera mods for lollipop are better as far as I can tell, however now I can't play that Army of Darkness game.
I tried some MM versions and I hate the swipe for app search feature and the mods and tweaks I like aren't there yet so I will continue to wait on that, but it does seem like the smoothest version of all.
They are all giving me problems with the stock email attachment feature, is there something wrong with an update or something?
I held onto KK as long as possible until my phone had to be sent in for warranty due to a speaker failure. The Sony repair center loaded the latest version of LP onto my phone and it was actually bug free (unlike the early versions). However, it never had the battery life of KK. When using the phone, it had the same rate of battery drain as KK, but when idle, it seemed to drain twice as fast as KK. It seemed like Stamina mode in LP only gave me the equivalent battery life of KK without Stamina mode. SO, with KK, I could get 2 days of usage without stamina, and nearly 4 days with it. Both of those numbers were cut in half with LP.
I put up with it for as long as I could though until about two weeks ago. I finally flashed KK onto my phone again and WOW, it is refreshing to no longer worry about my battery throughout the day. Plus, the pull down notification menu in KK is way better! It's so annoying to have to swipe down twice in LP/MM/N. Plus, ticker style notifications are far less intrusive than the banner style in LP/MM/N. Finally, I just like the black background with white text that is displayed in the pull down menu. It seems so much cleaner to me than the grayish-green that LP/MM/N uses.
The one thing I miss about LP is the banner notification for phone calls when you're using the device. KK takes over the whole screen and is very intrusive. I downloaded an app that tries to mimic this LP feature, but it only works 80% of the time. I still plan to stick with KK until I upgrade to a new device in 2017.
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KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
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Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
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Only system apps can write to the external SD card for some reason in KitKat unless you're rooted.
I definitely think KK has the best battery and is the most stable, but I wish there were more (or any, really) camera mods for it. You have to be on at least LP for there to be any decent mods, although I do think KK has the smoothest image stabilization for video recording. However, image quality takes a big hit.
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Hadn't mentioned that, guess I don't need this one. Kitkat still runs smoothly by the way.
So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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For me MM is the way to go, just flash any of custom stock based MM roms and run slimcore debloat, I'm having great battery performance lasting me whole day (i get 4-6h of sof with 70% of that beeing youtube) and it seems like the most fluid and eye pleasing experience, and for camera mods, I would only suggest unlocked camera, others are kinda gimmicky, but best and only way to find out what suits you is to try it yourself, you can see that in this thread only we have a lot of divided opinions.
Good luck
Hello community,i had my nexus 6 for 3 years now,been through much Rom/kernel combos,and i never had this kind of lag that i have with all pie roms.Thing is i dont have much apps,maybe two non google apps and probably stock gapps package,so no bloat.With this kind of apps i never get a single hint of lag at lets say purenexus 7.1.2 and franco.Not a single stutter.And ui looks kinda same because i have pixel launchers.Dont get me wrong i know this device is old now,but if it can run 7.1.2 without lag i didnt expect it to lag this much in all pie roms,and i tryed them all,did all i could,even franco cant help eliminate lag,and i dont have encryption.And lag is serious,it happens when scrolling,i know nexus 6 is not oneplus 6t kind of device,and i know games do lag more now,but lagging in ui is just weird,my redmi 5 dont lag at all on android p custom rom,and redmi 5 is just lame compared to nexus.So my question is,do anyone else get lag?My friend also gets lag only on pie roms on his nexus 6.Is there something they did with pie to older devices,i really wish to find answer.I tryed lineage 16 and its really good,it gives new look to nexus,and thank developers from depth of my heart,but it would be soo good to eliminate this weird lag,just because i know this device is way more capable of running pie than most device that have it now.Weird thing is its sometimes very smooth and next moment it lags like hell,it seems like its running at 15 fps.
If you can help me any sort of way id be very grateful.Viva la nexus 6,my friends,lovers of shamu,best phone ever.:fingers-crossed:
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Hello community,i had my nexus 6 for 3 years now,been through much Rom/kernel combos,and i never had this kind of lag that i have with all pie roms.Thing is i dont have much apps,maybe two non google apps and probably stock gapps package,so no bloat.With this kind of apps i never get a single hint of lag at lets say purenexus 7.1.2 and franco.Not a single stutter.And ui looks kinda same because i have pixel launchers.Dont get me wrong i know this device is old now,but if it can run 7.1.2 without lag i didnt expect it to lag this much in all pie roms,and i tryed them all,did all i could,even franco cant help eliminate lag,and i dont have encryption.And lag is serious,it happens when scrolling,i know nexus 6 is not oneplus 6t kind of device,and i know games do lag more now,but lagging in ui is just weird,my redmi 5 dont lag at all on android p custom rom,and redmi 5 is just lame compared to nexus.So my question is,do anyone else get lag?My friend also gets lag only on pie roms on his nexus 6.Is there something they did with pie to older devices,i really wish to find answer.I tryed lineage 16 and its really good,it gives new look to nexus,and thank developers from depth of my heart,but it would be soo good to eliminate this weird lag,just because i know this device is way more capable of running pie than most device that have it now.Weird thing is its sometimes very smooth and next moment it lags like hell,it seems like its running at 15 fps.
If you can help me any sort of way id be very grateful.Viva la nexus 6,my friends,lovers of shamu,best phone ever.:fingers-crossed:
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I dont experience lag on Pie personally, buttery smooth for me. If you havent tried it yet, try rebooting your phone in safe mode and once its fully booted, do a boot into normal mode. I have had times with severe lag and this cleared it all up.
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I dont experience lag on Pie personally, buttery smooth for me. If you havent tried it yet, try rebooting your phone in safe mode and once its fully booted, do a boot into normal mode. I have had times with severe lag and this cleared it all up.
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May i ask what rom/kernel combo do you run?My nexus lags and gets hot on all pie roms,and that dont happen at nougat or oreo roms.I tend to run phone as lean as podsible,so i dont have apps that i dont need,and i think that shouldnt be a problem,and i see when using phone that sometimes its smooth,and next second it lags when i scroll.I restored to purenexus 7.1.2 and i doesnt have a single hickup on it,battery lasts long,and it doesnt overheat at all.Problem is i like pie more,than nougat or oreo.
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May i ask what rom/kernel combo do you run?My nexus lags and gets hot on all pie roms,and that dont happen at nougat or oreo roms.I tend to run phone as lean as podsible,so i dont have apps that i dont need,and i think that shouldnt be a problem,and i see when using phone that sometimes its smooth,and next second it lags when i scroll.I restored to purenexus 7.1.2 and i doesnt have a single hickup on it,battery lasts long,and it doesnt overheat at all.Problem is i like pie more,than nougat or oreo.
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I was running Nitrogen for a couple months till 2 days ago and I was using its stock kernel most of that time. I am now running Revolution Remix Pie with Popcorn kernel. No lag at all. I use Apex Launcher and Brave Browser. Mostly use phone for calls , texts , and youtube. No issues at all. I dont use any backups that came from Nougat or Oreo. Try what I suggested.
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I was running Nitrogen for a couple months till 2 days ago and I was using its stock kernel most of that time. I am now running Revolution Remix Pie with Popcorn kernel. No lag at all. I use Apex Launcher and Brave Browser. Mostly use phone for calls , texts , and youtube. No issues at all. I dont use any backups that came from Nougat or Oreo. Try what I suggested.
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Ok will try nitrogen,with its stock kernel,to see how it goes,hopefully it will be better than lineage or carbon. Ty,and i will try rr later if nitro lags .
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Ok will try nitrogen,with its stock kernel,to see how it goes,hopefully it will be better than lineage or carbon. Ty,and i will try rr later if nitro lags .
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Probably not as Nitrogen uses LineagOS's kernel and device repository
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Probably not as Nitrogen uses LineagOS's kernel and device repository
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You were right,it was even worse,lagging even on 100% battery,with no additional apps installed other than some basic gapps,this is becoming frustrating for me,maybe its only my device,but it makes me sad that it cant work well with pie.Can it be because its 32bit cpu?I really cant beleive that my nexus 5 on pie works like 200% better,doesnt have a hint of lag.Its kinda unbeleivable.I did all i could time to go back to my old purenexus and franco,at least it was solid and not laggy.Maybe this phone just isnt strong enough .Thank you all,if anyone has any more ideas ill gladly listen to them.And thank you elektroshmock for caring about our device,keep the good work :fingers-crossed:
For how long have you tried each pie rom? I believe that the rom runs some background optimization after install, so I wouldn't judge speed until a few days have passed.
Does it run faster when connected to power?
shamuMNE said:
You were right,it was even worse,lagging even on 100% battery,with no additional apps installed other than some basic gapps,this is becoming frustrating for me,maybe its only my device,but it makes me sad that it cant work well with pie.Can it be because its 32bit cpu?I really cant beleive that my nexus 5 on pie works like 200% better,doesnt have a hint of lag.Its kinda unbeleivable.I did all i could time to go back to my old purenexus and franco,at least it was solid and not laggy.Maybe this phone just isnt strong enough .Thank you all,if anyone has any more ideas ill gladly listen to them.And thank you elektroshmock for caring about our device,keep the good work :fingers-crossed:
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The lags have to be from your personal phone or setup. Like I said, I dont experience lag because if I did and I thought the Nexus 6 in general was uncapable of running PIE smoothly, I would have replaced it by now. Did you reboot your phone in safe mode and then back in normal mode while using a PIE rom?
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For how long have you tried each pie rom? I believe that the rom runs some background optimization after install, so I wouldn't judge speed until a few days have passed.
Does it run faster when connected to power?
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Well i cant allow myself to use laggy phone for more than few hours,lets say all nougat roms i tryed ever smoothed out in few minutes,and never had lag or stutter or overheating,it seems to be the last os that worked without any problem on my phone,as oreo did work ok,but not like nougat,nor did i ever get battery life like i get on nougat.But id say oreo was acceptable.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device)but i think my unit which was first batch even tho i bought it later as new,it has some weird electricity,power delivery issuses,it seems like it needs more power(voltage?)then the battery can provide.And this speaker electricity crackle annoys me.When it makes that sound i think its gonna burn or something,because that sort of sound is same like when you hear electrical sparkles and it starts to lag heavily,never ever i got this strange sound on any phone i had.And when using on my turbo charger it gets so hot i think i would be able to fry egg on it without any problem.
@Derrick
I did all you told me,started in safe mode on pie nitrogen,but even in safe mode it lagged heavily,i dont really know what happens with my shamu and on pie i think i got 58 celsius on battery and 87 celsius on cpu i thought thing is gonna burn to ashes.Same second i revert to pure nexus and franco it becames ultra smooth,and ultra cold now i have 23 celsius on battery,and 35 on cpu.Just very weird,because performance on nougat tells me my device is more then acceptable of running everything smoothly,but for some reason pie roms breaks it into half.I think i heard something about opengl(skia)render on pie making it lag.If someone knows how to force old opengl to use it on pie tell me,i think ill try that if i get any information on how to do it.
Thank you for trying to help me guys .
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Well i cant allow myself to use laggy phone for more than few hours,lets say all nougat roms i tryed ever smoothed out in few minutes,and never had lag or stutter or overheating,it seems to be the last os that worked without any problem on my phone,as oreo did work ok,but not like nougat,nor did i ever get battery life like i get on nougat.But id say oreo was acceptable.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device)but i think my unit which was first batch even tho i bought it later as new,it has some weird electricity,power delivery issuses,it seems like it needs more power(voltage?)then the battery can provide.And this speaker electricity crackle annoys me.When it makes that sound i think its gonna burn or something,because that sort of sound is same like when you hear electrical sparkles and it starts to lag heavily,never ever i got this strange sound on any phone i had.And when using on my turbo charger it gets so hot i think i would be able to fry egg on it without any problem.
@Derrick
I did all you told me,started in safe mode on pie nitrogen,but even in safe mode it lagged heavily,i dont really know what happens with my shamu and on pie i think i got 58 celsius on battery and 87 celsius on cpu i thought thing is gonna burn to ashes.Same second i revert to pure nexus and franco it becames ultra smooth,and ultra cold now i have 23 celsius on battery,and 35 on cpu.Just very weird,because performance on nougat tells me my device is more then acceptable of running everything smoothly,but for some reason pie roms breaks it into half.I think i heard something about opengl(skia)render on pie making it lag.If someone knows how to force old opengl to use it on pie tell me,i think ill try that if i get any information on how to do it.
Thank you for trying to help me guys .
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To me, it sounds like its a good time to buy another phone.
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To me, it sounds like its a good time to buy another phone.
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It probably would be good time if it was lagging on nougat,but i can keep it for some more time,i think i wont even sold it like i did with other phones i had(it will stay with me just like my nexus 5),it really is my favourite phone,even tho its not perfect by any means.I thought about possible new phone and i hate new trends of bezeless screens,and especially i hate 18+:9 screen ratios,it makes phone look like tv remote,and there isnt much phones that fall into these categories.And of all the good phones i think the one id get is probably pixel/pixel xl and pixel 2 but every one of them is plagued by its own set of hardware problems,and that makes me unsure about possible purchase.
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.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device).
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I wonder what makes Carbon so special, because it's using LineageOS's Kernel and devicetree for shamu.
I don't know which Pie ROM you're using now, but at least LineageOS for shamu doesn't want you to fiddle with kernel settings.
If you choose to do so there is a very high chance your cpu freqs get stuck at very high levels, which causes your devices temperature to rise, which causes thermal deamon to kick in and limit your maximum freqs.
In general no matter how much you think you know about your device before you fiddle with any setting you should ask yourself "why didn't the device maintainer set it in the first place"
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I wonder what makes Carbon so special, because it's using LineageOS's Kernel and devicetree for shamu.
I don't know which Pie ROM you're using now, but at least LineageOS for shamu doesn't want you to fiddle with kernel settings.
If you choose to do so there is a very high chance your cpu freqs get stuck at very high levels, which causes your devices temperature to rise, which causes thermal deamon to kick in and limit your maximum freqs.
In general no matter how much you think you know about your device before you fiddle with any setting you should ask yourself "why didn't the device maintainer set it in the first place"
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Truth be told,i surely know less than you do about this device,and i said it didnt cause me problems with mostly battery.At least thats how i remember it,it gave me less problems for some reason than all other pie roms.But after some time it started doing the same thing like all other roms and that made it unusable so i got back to nougat which im using today even tho i like pie more,design wise.Nougat has much better performance and much better battery life while also not overheating.Id really love that pie works like nougat,but if it isnt its not end of world for me,ill still happilly use shamu on nougat.Maybe lags are only on my device,but i cant find any reason that it happens,i tryed all i potentially know,and its not shame to accept that i dont know everything,thats why i asked people here that probably know way more than i do.I with my minimal knowledge suspect that shamus CPU is culprit here,being 32bit,and maybe new renderer in pie which cause system lag for me and some other guys.My friend lags on stock pie,stock kernel on his pixel 2 xl,thats just not acceptable.Google software+google phone(hardware) and it causes lag on snapdragon 835,its not weird that it lags on 6 year old,ancient 805 which is hardly any stronger that nexus 5 snap 800,but nexus 5 have 1080p and shamu 2k screen,and that probably causes problems for nex6.Being first batch of 2k screen devices i think system on chip that they put in it wasnt ready for what it needed to do.Just my thoughts.
I've been given a white and gold 3T that was no longer needed. The battery is a bit shot and the screen has burn in on the status bar. I was thinking, if I send it off for a new battery by OnePlus, is it worth using?
My current phone is a Pixel 2XL, but I am missing the headphone jack and the cell reception isn't the best...
Is the 3T decent on the stock rom? Or is it better on a custom rom/kernel?
I only really use YouTube, Gmail, Netflix and messenger... Just want it to be smooth enough.
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The stock ROM updated to the latest security patch seems okay. YouTube is a bit laggy compared to my Pixel 2Xl.
I do prefer the size of the 3T though, it's really compact.
Would a custom kernel speed up the stock ROM? On apps like YouTube?
Also, I have managed to get the WiFi calling option to appear in settings, but from memory, I don't think it actually works? I am on the 3 UK network.
I sent mine a couple of months ago for a new battery and it's 100% worth it.
Custom kernels do speed up the stock ROM but your battery life might suffer a bit., so if you want the best experience I'd suggest a custom ROM based on Pie (e.g. Havoc/Luis' Resurrection Remix). Q ROMs are good enough but most of the better ones (as far as battery life is concerned) don't support device encryption yet.
I cannot comment on WiFi calling as I don't use it at all.
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I sent mine a couple of months ago for a new battery and it's 100% worth it.
Custom kernels do speed up the stock ROM but your battery life might suffer a bit., so if you want the best experience I'd suggest a custom ROM based on Pie (e.g. Havoc/Luis' Resurrection Remix). Q ROMs are good enough but most of the better ones (as far as battery life is concerned) don't support device encryption yet.
I cannot comment on WiFi calling as I don't use it at all.
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Good to know, thanks.
Would that be a Pie custom ROM and a custom kernel?
My only concern with custom ROMs is that I use banking apps and other apps that then may not work when rooted or on custom firmware. Does Magisk get past this? I have been using the 3T this morning and other than the unusable battery, the phone is quite nice. I like the size, the performance is decent enough (I expect it'll improve on a custom ROM) and the screen is brighter than my Pixel 2XL. It is definitely slower though, apps like gmail take a couple of seconds longer to load, but I am never in much of a rush!
How much did OnePlus charge you for a battery replacement? Can it be sent off to them when on a custom ROM, or does it need to be fully stock for them to do any work on it?
Thanks.
gman88667733 said:
Good to know, thanks.
Would that be a Pie custom ROM and a custom kernel?
My only concern with custom ROMs is that I use banking apps and other apps that then may not work when rooted or on custom firmware. Does Magisk get past this? I have been using the 3T this morning and other than the unusable battery, the phone is quite nice. I like the size, the performance is decent enough (I expect it'll improve on a custom ROM) and the screen is brighter than my Pixel 2XL. It is definitely slower though, apps like gmail take a couple of seconds longer to load, but I am never in much of a rush!
How much did OnePlus charge you for a battery replacement? Can it be sent off to them when on a custom ROM, or does it need to be fully stock for them to do any work on it?
Thanks.
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Havoc/Resurrection Remix etc are custom ROMs which come bundled with their own custom kernel. Mind you, Pie versions of custom ROMs are mainly to be found in their up-to-date threads (even if they're updated for the Q versions). Check the most thanked posts on the sidebar in the Havoc thread for an easy way to get to the updated Pie ROM with the latest security patches.
Magisk does pass CTS and banking apps/Google Pay work in my case, but it does need a module and some editing in order to work. The MagiskHide Props Config module does that job, you'll need to configure it - selecting OnePlus as brand and 3T as model, latest update, works though. Here's a quick link to the module's thread with info etc. You'll also need Busybox (available again as a module in Magisk) in order to get the Props Config module to work.
The battery replacement was free even though the initial quote was around 36€ so around 30 quid - don't know why, might have been because of the free out-of-warranty camera replacement I requested as well. I'd suggest doing that too, the original OP3 and 3T cameras are known to stop focusing after a while and OnePlus offers a free fix even if the phone is out of warranty.
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Havoc/Resurrection Remix etc are custom ROMs which come bundled with their own custom kernel. Mind you, Pie versions of custom ROMs are mainly to be found in their up-to-date threads (even if they're updated for the Q versions). Check the most thanked posts on the sidebar in the Havoc thread for an easy way to get to the updated Pie ROM with the latest security patches.
Magisk does pass CTS and banking apps/Google Pay work in my case, but it does need a module and some editing in order to work. The MagiskHide Props Config module does that job, you'll need to configure it - selecting OnePlus as brand and 3T as model, latest update, works though. Here's a quick link to the module's thread with info etc. You'll also need Busybox (available again as a module in Magisk) in order to get the Props Config module to work.
The battery replacement was free even though the initial quote was around 36€ so around 30 quid - don't know why, might have been because of the free out-of-warranty camera replacement I requested as well. I'd suggest doing that too, the original OP3 and 3T cameras are known to stop focusing after a while and OnePlus offers a free fix even if the phone is out of warranty.
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Okay, thanks again. A battery is about £15 online and replacement is very easy, so I am not sure whether to do it DIY or get them to do it and hope they may do it for free if I claim to have camera issues? (it focuses fine at the moment...)
I've had fairly good experiences with Resurrection Remix in the past when I dabbled with ROMs on my Nexus 6P (I stopped when I got my Moto Z Play as it never really needed it) So I'll give that a go tonight and see how it performs. The battery truly is shot, my partner who owned it before always had it at 100% brightness and used it whilst charging, so it degraded very quickly. As did the OnePlus 5 I gave her last year.!!!
I wish screens were cheaper for it as it has severe burn in on the notification bar, due to it being used at full brightness all the time... but the rest of the phone is in mint condition, so it seems daft to pay a fair amount of money to get rid of some burn in...
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Okay, thanks again. A battery is about £15 online and replacement is very easy, so I am not sure whether to do it DIY or get them to do it and hope they may do it for free if I claim to have camera issues? (it focuses fine at the moment...)
I've had fairly good experiences with Resurrection Remix in the past when I dabbled with ROMs on my Nexus 6P (I stopped when I got my Moto Z Play as it never really needed it) So I'll give that a go tonight and see how it performs. The battery truly is shot, my partner who owned it before always had it at 100% brightness and used it whilst charging, so it degraded very quickly. As did the OnePlus 5 I gave her last year.!!!
I wish screens were cheaper for it as it has severe burn in on the notification bar, due to it being used at full brightness all the time... but the rest of the phone is in mint condition, so it seems daft to pay a fair amount of money to get rid of some burn in...
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You're welcome! I chose the RMA way just to be extra safe, I wanted an OEM battery after reading mixed reviews concerning third party batteries (the general consensus is that they're not as long lasting, but the ones from ReplaceBase should be at least half decent) and the price difference has been worth it, for now. My autofocus was just starting to malfunction when I applied for the RMA, you could try and give it a shot.
Yeah, screens are expensive and the chances of getting an LCD display or a flickering screen when using a custom ROM are rather high and not worth the price if the burn-in doesn't bother you that much.
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You're welcome! I chose the RMA way just to be extra safe, I wanted an OEM battery after reading mixed reviews concerning third party batteries (the general consensus is that they're not as long lasting, but the ones from ReplaceBase should be at least half decent) and the price difference has been worth it, for now. My autofocus was just starting to malfunction when I applied for the RMA, you could try and give it a shot.
Yeah, screens are expensive and the chances of getting an LCD display or a flickering screen when using a custom ROM are rather high and not worth the price if the burn-in doesn't bother you that much.
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Is it just autofocus that is the issue? Tap to focus works fine. Autofocus does seem a bit temperamental....
What is your battery like post-replacement?
OnePlus customer service say they will replace camera free of charge (it doesn't seem too bad, but may as well?) And they will replace the battery for £24.50
Not a bad price really!
Assuming I can get WiFi calling to work, I think I will get it replaced. As long as I can get 5 hours SOT out of it across a mixed usage day, that'd be the maximum I'd ever need. I rarely ever go over 3.5-4 hours SOT on any day on any of my phones.
That's not a bad price at all!
SoT is, well, extremely subjective but I usually get around 4.5/5 hours SoT if mainly outdoors on LTE. WiFi, on the other hand, I can easily get around 6.5 to even 7 hours SoT. That's mainly Reddit/YouTube/Telegram/a bit of Instagram.
Autofocus started getting way more erratic than usual, tap to focus sometimes did nothing - this will generally degrade to a point where the camera won't even focus in manual mode. Also, backup your data before sending the phone (and maybe leave it on stock OOS). You'll basically start fresh with a locked bootloader and OOS 9.0.6.
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That's not a bad price at all!
SoT is, well, extremely subjective but I usually get around 4.5/5 hours SoT if mainly outdoors on LTE. WiFi, on the other hand, I can easily get around 6.5 to even 7 hours SoT. That's mainly Reddit/YouTube/Telegram/a bit of Instagram.
Autofocus started getting way more erratic than usual, tap to focus sometimes did nothing - this will generally degrade to a point where the camera won't even focus in manual mode. Also, backup your data before sending the phone (and maybe leave it on stock OOS). You'll basically start fresh with a locked bootloader and OOS 9.0.6.
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Oh wow, really? That is better that I would have imagined it would get!
I am hoping it may work out if I stay on stock as I do prefer sticking to stock these days, but if not, I will give RR a go.
gman88667733 said:
Oh wow, really? That is better that I would have imagined it would get!
I am hoping it may work out if I stay on stock as I do prefer sticking to stock these days, but if not, I will give RR a go.
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Stock shouldn't be that far off those numbers. Hope you'll enjoy it!
Here's hoping!
What sort of a performance increase would there be in RR over stock? Noticeable?
Are they still giving free fix for the camera in OnePlus 3?
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Are they still giving free fix for the camera in OnePlus 3?
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Yes. I was told yesterday by OnePlus that they will fix it for free even though it is well out of warranty
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Here's hoping!
What sort of a performance increase would there be in RR over stock? Noticeable?
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Sorry for the delay - RR, Havoc and custom ROMs in general would both feel smoother and more battery-friendly over stock, but I don't know if it's that huge of a difference. Haven't really tried Pie OOS that much but it felt like there was a bit more stutter when compared to custom ROMs.