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Bootloader unlock question.

With all this bootloader unlock talk... I know HTC finally allows it buuuut, what about att? Will they void my warranty if I ever send it back in (for like a replacement or something)

No way of knowing really until someone tries it. I honestly don't think they would even look to see if it was unlocked depending on your situation. Mine is unlocked and if I had to send it in to AT&T I would just get it back to stock software and hope they don't check the bootloader.
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yes, it will void out your warranty. do you mean if you go back to the at&t store within your 30 day return policy to exchange, or sending it in to HTC???

If youre returning it to AT&T, don't worry they never check. Whether it be cause its broken or for an exchange. As long as it some what looks like its booting up normally you should be fine (although I exchanged my Atrix 4G with a flashed bootloader that they saw and they didn't say anything).

BangyaHead said:
yes, it will void out your warranty. do you mean if you go back to the at&t store within your 30 day return policy to exchange, or sending it in to HTC???
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I'm out of the 30 day window. I meant if I get a replacement from att (because my screen is cracked)

you should be fine. if anything you can always lock it..

Unlocking the bootloader only screws you for certain software issues. Any other kind of issues like a cracked screen that have nothing to do with the bootloader are still covered under warranty.
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BangyaHead said:
you should be fine. if anything you can always lock it..
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Even if you re-lock the bootloader it will show "RELOCKED" instead of "UNLOCKED".
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[Solved] Rogers version ineligible device to unlock bootloader

Hey! Anyone else with a Rogers xt1058 get device not eligible to unlock bootloader on the Motorola site? I've read about these issues... but doesn't seem to be common to rogers versions. I have messaged Motorola support... Which I'm sure will be a slow process. Lol
Wonder if how I got it has anything to do with it? I bought it off a guy who says he won it at work...a cell shop. It was still wrapped in box. I unlocked it to work on Telus and all is fine. Great phone.
Could any part of that story ...buying it from a guy, not in a store...or unlocking it for telus...have to do with the bootloader unlocking issues?
Its never been on the Rogers network either.
I am not too interested in flashing Roms...mostly just want root. And preferably custom recovery...which I need an unlocked boot loader for. No way am I messing with much without a nandroid backup. Lol
I see you can maybe root at least... But I'm no rookie, and the instructions still seem like a handful. I'm more Samsung experienced. So not a wiz with adb.....fastboot and stuff. I've used them a bit on my N7...but not much.
Any insight would be appreciated.
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I've had the error with a Rogers phone, the unlock server was having issues at the time and they resolved it the next day. Are you 100% sure it is a Rogers phone? You can verify with the software version.

Steve-x said:
I've had the error with a Rogers phone, the unlock server was having issues at the time and they resolved it the next day. Are you 100% sure it is a Rogers phone? You can verify with the software version.
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139.12.36.ghost_row.RCI..en.CA
Assuming that's the rogers version, I am wondering how he got it...prize..or some other way....if it not being on Rogers ever...cause I unlocked it...if that plays into it at all.
I'll definitely try the Motorola site when I'm home tonight again...and keep trying until I hear from Motorola support.
I suppose if it is a US version that can't be boot loader unlocked...I'll have to figure out the root method and live with that.
Thanks!
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I did put in Rogers when I carrier unlocked it... If that means anything.
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Yep, its a Rogers phone. The sim unlocking portion will have nothing to do with the bootloader unlock. Try again tonight, be sure to remove the spaces in the key when after you've pasted it into the Motorola website. It will have 4 or maybe 5 of them after the cut and paste that need to be removed. When it didn't work for me several other people had posted about it the same day. I also posted on the official Motorola forums and told them the server was broken, someone passed the message to the correct person and the next day it worked fine.

Yeah, I'm sure I read your forum posts there. Lol
I am definitely going to try over and over or until I hear from Motorola. My gut says it's something with my phone... Just cause I haven't read of anyone having an issue right now. Except Mexico or somewhere near there.
Hopefully it was just their site. We'll see.
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Yup. Got home from work, tried to unlock bootloader and boom. Done. Their site must have been messed up last night.
Funny story too....got an email back from a lady at Motorola support saying I can unlock my phone for different carriers...on my own....that the Rogers version does not come carrier unlocked. I sent a polite reply saying I didn't ask that....I clearly asked about unlocking the boot loader. It even said that in the email subject line. LOL. Wow.....not gonna count on Motorola support for much in the future.
So...charging phone...then twrp..then titanium backup and I can start tweaking.
Thanks again!
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For fun you might want to throw the AT&T or tmobile(retail) 4.4 kitkat on to the phone. Both will work fine.

I plan on flashing whatever I can find for sure. I'll check that out first.
Just seeing what I can mess with first. Did a stock nandroid and after I get everything just right... Another. Then I can play with roms.
The moto xposed module is awesome.
Thanks
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Still amazed at this things speed compared to my s2. Just froze a bunch of system apps, greenified, ran adaway and changed some stuff with xposed.... All the same stuff I did with my s2....and all these actions just flew.
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kj2112 said:
Still amazed at this things speed compared to my s2. Just froze a bunch of system apps, greenified, ran adaway and changed some stuff with xposed.... All the same stuff I did with my s2....and all these actions just flew.
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nice to see another rogers moto x user, had ZERO problems with unlocking the bootloader but am currently going to keep it stock with xposed mods.
This sucker flys eh

Unlocking questions

Hello there.
First of all sorry if was maybe asked hundreds of times but at least from the phone app I wasn't able to find my questions.
I have a T-Mobile version.
If I'll request an unlock code thus I'll unlock it, then I'll be ever able to relock it and get back my warranty?!
Thanks!!!
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No, your warranty is gone as soon as you request your bootloader unlock code, even if you don't unlock the phone.

Steve-x said:
No, your warranty is gone as soon as you request your bootloader unlock code, even if you don't unlock the phone.
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Moto has changed their policy and unlocking no longer voids the warranty.

BladeRunner said:
Moto has changed their policy and unlocking no longer voids the warranty.
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That only applies to the Developer Edition!

Steve-x said:
That only applies to the Developer Edition!
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You're right, and that is just a silly policy.

I see... Thanks guys!!!!
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BladeRunner said:
You're right, and that is just a silly policy.
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Indeed, I can understand if is a CPU problem or any HW issue derived by silly things like overclocking and so on, by if my display lose is placement and glue? Aka manufacturing issue. BTW for now its okay. I'll miss a bit my GravityBox and pie but IMHO the os is kinda perfect.
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DAddYE said:
Indeed, I can understand if is a CPU problem or any HW issue derived by silly things like overclocking and so on, by if my display lose is placement and glue? Aka manufacturing issue. BTW for now its okay. I'll miss a bit my GravityBox and pie but IMHO the os is kinda perfect.
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I like to think of it as a step in the right direction at a minimum. They provide a way to unlock the bootloader which is a positive.
I know they don't want bogus warranty claims because people have bricked their phone but I suspect the returns due to bricking are much more related to the root exploits used on bootloader locked phones then on ones with the bootloader unlocked. I am also thankful many providers have approved of the unlocking, such as Rogers in Canada. It is a shame Verizon and AT&T have decided against it with the non-dev editions phones.

Steve-x said:
I like to think of it as a step in the right direction at a minimum. They provide a way to unlock the bootloader which is a positive.
I know they don't want bogus warranty claims because people have bricked their phone but I suspect the returns due to bricking are much more related to the root exploits used on bootloader locked phones then on ones with the bootloader unlocked. I am also thankful many providers have approved of the unlocking, such as Rogers in Canada. It is a shame Verizon and AT&T have decided against it with the non-dev editions phones.
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I totally agree with you. I mean, I would prefer the Sony way where if they detect that the problem is related to the unlocking they will charge u. Otherwise it is fine. But I know that is a wasting of resources and money and for a reborn company now is better focusing on other things. Regarding the carrier thing that is something pretty weird. What I hate more than anything else is the "exclusive" thing. Annoying at best. That why I prefer having less signal and have my phone unlocked but more important WITHOUT the creepy CARRIER LOGO... Jeez.
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Bounty for non HTCdev bootloader unlock + root.

Willing to get things rolling with $20 for someone who can get root without using the HTCDev root for the Sprint variant.
If it's possible to retain HTC Warranty, I think it'd be worth looking into.
Anyone else agree?

Greetings,
There is already a Bounty thread for the M8 (it does say for all GSM variants) but there is mention of Sprint devices in said thread.
If I remember correctly @beaups said he will not be working on an HTC-Dev workaround (meaning any device that is unlockable through HTC-Dev) maybe he'll pop in and clarify.
I'll leave the thread open for now, there may be other devs working on an exploit.
Thanks BD619

I don't understand. Looking for working temproot to run permanent soff solution sans Htcdev or looking for some permaroot with locked/s-on
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beaups said:
I don't understand. Looking for working temproot to run permanent soff solution sans Htcdev or looking for some permaroot with locked/s-on
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He wants to bypass HTC Dev would be my guess

Never heard of warranty issues in USA. Is that happening now
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Occasionally HTC will refuse/charge for service if a device has been unlocked prior.

BD619 said:
He wants to bypass HTC Dev would be my guess
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Exactly.
HTC refused to send me a replacement M7 for the purple camera haze because I had an unlocked bootloader.
Blamed the purple haze on overheating due to using non HTC software. complete BS.
Yes, bypassing HTCdev is the goal.

beaups said:
Never heard of warranty issues in USA. Is that happening now
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See my post just above.

So what you are asking for is what is the same thing in this thread right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733870

orangekid said:
So what you are asking for is what is the same thing in this thread right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733870
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Nope.
This thread is requesting root, not S-OFF.

Captain_Throwback said:
Nope.
This thread is requesting root, not S-OFF.
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I see,
So just looking for Perm Root / System RW without S OFF.
Alright, well good luck!

orangekid said:
I see,
So just looking for Perm Root / System RW without S OFF.
Alright, well good luck!
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Specifically, root without HTC Dev (which is currently the only way to achieve root on any non-Verizon variants).
Personally I've never had any issues with warranty concerns and I've used HTC Dev on every device I've had since the OG EVO. It's relatively easy to restore the device to a completely unrooted/stock state once you've gotten S-OFF, so I've never seen a need to find an alternative method to root.

Captain_Throwback said:
Specifically, root without HTC Dev (which is currently the only way to achieve root on any non-Verizon variants).
Personally I've never had any issues with warranty concerns and I've used HTC Dev on every device I've had since the OG EVO. It's relatively easy to restore the device to a completely unrooted/stock state once you've gotten S-OFF, so I've never seen a need to find an alternative method to root.
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But they have record of your IMEI / ESN having used HTC Dev in the past, even when you go back to stock before sending in, correct?

orangekid said:
But they have record of your IMEI / ESN having used HTC Dev in the past, even when you go back to stock before sending in, correct?
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They have a record of your having requested an unlock code, sure. But that doesn't mean you ever used it to unlock the device.
Unless they have some reason to suspect that you've harmed your device by unlocking it, I doubt HTC would bother checking. And Sprint definitely wouldn't bother checking with HTC to see if that's the case if the device appears to be in stock condition.
I've returned many devices to Sprint for warranty replacements and one device to HTC directly and have NEVER had an issue.

Captain_Throwback said:
They have a record of your having requested an unlock code, sure. But that doesn't mean you ever used it to unlock the device.
Unless they have some reason to suspect that you've harmed your device by unlocking it, I doubt HTC would bother checking. And Sprint definitely wouldn't bother checking with HTC to see if that's the case if the device appears to be in stock condition.
I've returned many devices to Sprint for warranty replacements and one device to HTC directly and have NEVER had an issue.
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That's a good point, I have returned devices to Sprint when I was on Sprint and they didn't ask me anything or even check the bootloader, they just replaced it.
I am not sure how much interested for developers this particular request will generate, but we'll see...
Thanks for the clarification Captain..
I was confused because I didn't think it was possible to get perm root on an HTC device without unlocking the bootloader..

Why not take the device back to the carrier instead of shipping back to HTC?
I do not believe there to be a permroot available without having first unlocked the bootloader or at least, I haven't seen it done.
I don't know much about the m8 as I'm on the t6 but both t6 and m7 didn't need to use htc-dev.
Either Rumrunner, or weaksauce coupled with rumrunner.
Beaups would be most able to answer this question for you.

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Why not take the device back to the carrier instead of shipping back to HTC?
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These stories of people walking into a Sprint store with a broken phone and walking out with a new one are nothing more than mythology, to me.

elrayray said:
These stories of people walking into a Sprint store with a broken phone and walking out with a new one are nothing more than mythology, to me.
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Precisely.
I guess the stores in areas outside of mine would rather just replace the device and not ask questions than try to shift the blame to the customer or to HTC.
Standard response from techs here is,"Call Assurion."

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
I do not believe there to be a permroot available without having first unlocked the bootloader or at least, I haven't seen it done.
Beaups would be most able to answer this question for you.
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There isn't and that's what I'm requesting.
Root, which also requires an unlocked bootloader... that I would like to not have unlocked by htcdev.
If there isn't much interest in it, no biggie. I'll just htcdev unlock if nothing comes of this over the next couple weeks.
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JONBOY345 said:
Precisely.
I guess the stores in areas outside of mine would rather just replace the device and not ask questions than try to shift the blame to the customer or to HTC.
Standard response from techs here is,"Call Assurion."
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If your phone is damaged then you have to deal with Assurion.... If it's software or device malfunction then the store will replace it no question... Most you would need to do is put stock recovery back and relock device...
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Any Downside To Unlocking BL?

I've read concerns about unlocking the bootloader on the 815 variant potentially voiding warranty. I think it was Autoprime but I remember one of the devs in the Simple Root thread saying the T-Mobile BL isn't locked or unlocked once rooted... basically it is open for lack of a better term. Can one interpret that as meaning we have the benefit of an unlocked BL without the warranty concerns? Does that mean we can go back to stock and they'd never knowing the phone was rooted provided the T-Mobile app asking for root was disabled prior to actually rooting? I've searched quite a bit but not seen a definitive answer specifically for the 811h variant. Thanks in advance.
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There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.

I went ahead and did it. Super easy process. Thanks for the advice!
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cajunflavoredbob said:
There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.
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Pro tip for everyone reading you can just call them and play dumb like you don't know what happened, you just woke up and turned it on like that and they will warranty it no problem, and, In fact there is a very real possibility that if you are on XDA you may e more tech savvy than the person you are talking too.
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I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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mawells787 said:
I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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The T-Mobile bootloader cannot be unlocked, nor can it be locked. It is special. We are able to disable security, but we are not able to unlock the bootloader like the European model. Basically, this is the best it's going to get unless there's a bootloader update that fixes this. If that happens, we would then need to be allowed to unlock the bootloader through LG in order to get fastboot actions.
If you've ever used an HTC device, think of it as S-Off without BL unlock. It's weird, but it works.