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Any such functions or apps available? I have some useful apps that looks ridiculous on the Note. Good to see it available while waiting the app developer provide a multires app.
Apple did a good job on the iPad, Google forgot about it...
Use spare parts and uncheck compatibility mode. Some app will work, Some won't.
The native zooming option is available starting with honeycomb only.
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coatercup said:
Any such functions or apps available? I have some useful apps that looks ridiculous on the Note. Good to see it available while waiting the app developer provide a multires app.
Apple did a good job on the iPad, Google forgot about it...
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The only issue is: apple makes the the ipad two, google doesn't make the note or any other tablet. The scaling issue only works if the resolution is double-able in each way or something like that.
Regardless, I suggest writing your app developers and asking them to support HD resolutions (include the notes resolutions, and a screen shot). I did that already and they said that they are working on more screen resolutions.
Any chance some enterprising dev could get this running on our nexus 7's
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/05/sam...te-brings-awesome-multi-window-feature-video/http://phandroid.com/2012/10/05/sam...te-brings-awesome-multi-window-feature-video/
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That would be cool if they could, but I'm guessing this is deeply integrated into Touch wiz.
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Umm .. *cough* *cough* Cornerstone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8w3UZIjkc
It's open source. Roman made an ICS/AOKP/Cornerstone build a long time ago ... felt it was too buggy to continue.
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AOKP got this request recently.
Seems a Cornerstone build would be the only way out...which is unlikely.
I'm fully aware this would probably be quite difficult to port, and likely quite time consuming.
Having said that, I also want this. It makes so much more sense on a 7 inch tablet then a 5 inch whatever.
This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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Running 2 apps at the same time. Seems like a great idea to me. It supports a limited amount of apps, but unlike Galaxy Note 10.1, you could probably hack in other apps to work.
khaytsus said:
This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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Yes, but the Galaxy Note 2 supports all apps in multi-window mode...
This would be *nice* to have but I don't know how much easier it would be then to just multitasking between 2 apps now and having the apps full screen. I can see some of the benefits like watching a youtube video while chatting on Google Talk. There are some good alternatives such as popup video players and notepads that overlay on top of current app and typically are resizable and movable.
While it makes sense this would be better on a 7" then a 5"... it really would be best on a 10". 7" barely gives me enough breathing room for 1 app. Plus most of the "compatible apps" are simple things like a calculator and notes
Well it seems VERY useful to me.
It's better than popup apps in my opinion - more app options.
Overscreen browser is a great alternative for now
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No, it's not.
This allows multiple apps to run side by side, Overskreen is just the browser. Also, it's not even compatible with Jelly Bean, so no one who owns a Nexus 7 can use it.
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Yes, but the Galaxy Note 2 supports all apps in multi-window mode...
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No, as I said, handful of specific Google apps. Read up on it. Will the list grow? Maybe? I'd have to guess it is a sdk used to support the function, is it worth app dev time to do it and possibly maintain multiple versions of their app?
more then google apps
Not just google apps can do this on the samsung note 10.1 .
samsng snote and lecture app
browser
vidoe player
picture gallery
polaris office
Photo shop (special note version)
I think there a few others that are on the samsung web app store. Samsung sbe adding apps to this.
Now for the bubble burst. The reason they work on the galaxy note is the new QUAD Core cpu and 2 GB Very fast ram .. samsung tried to release a less ram/power version of the 10.1 note with a higer res display. they backed the display down and increased the cpu//ram. this is also to support the WACOM S PEN..
I have been reading alot about the device because mine will be here Monday. So the above if from my reading and research. I can update you more mid next week.. I do not see a need for split windows on a 7 inch screen .. get the overscreen browser and try it.. JUST Does not work for productive work...
Hope this help make it more understandable... too bad samsung did not make the n7 . i give up because of the screen issues sent two of them back and will NOT order a 3rd...
Dude. Overskreen DOES NOT work on Jelly Bean. And it is just one app, vs an entire suite of Google Apps.
Also there's no need for window management.
Nexus 7 has a quad-core processor too, just less RAM - which isn't even a problem, it still can handle side by side apps.
And you're telling some weird stuff here. We are talking about Galaxy Note 2, which allows more apps, and works better. AND it works on a 5 inch screen, so it'll be awesome on a seven inch.
So yeah, please don't come back with your 'research' to tell us that you think that this feature is unnecessary.
i hope sincerely as a dev can make a mod for port this feature in future beacause it's very usefull even if work only with google apps it's better ,
anyone know if a moded youtube apps existing for play a video on background because i search since 3 month but not find ?
thx
I don't think there is one, sadly. Android doesn't support true multitasking
While i would love to have or port this it simply isnt possible, it requires a lot of changing to the frameworks and it would be hard to decompile all of samsungs sources and extract it.
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I don't think there is one, sadly. Android doesn't support true multitasking
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Stock android not, but there are a few roms with cornerstone, i think mainly on 10 inch tablets.
Web os did this kinda on a dual core wish android would absorb that multitasking feature right now running multiple apps kinda is a hit and miss
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I'm downloading apps and they are filling the entire screen, but the text is very small. Obviously phone apps.
Are there any specifically made for bigger tablet screens?
Try checking the Apps section of the nexus 7 XDA forum and you will find a thread about tablet optimised apps. There is also a section in the play store, under apps, for "staff picks for tablets".
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Try checking the Apps section of the nexus 7 XDA forum and you will find a thread about tablet optimised apps. There is also a section in the play store, under apps, for "staff picks for tablets".
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Thanks. Why isn't call of duty elite compatible with the nexus?
What I dislike is that some app manufacturers are selling "Tablet Optimized" versions of apps for more money.
While it MIGHT be one thing if it had special (new) features or something that made it worth more money, but I dislike having to buy the same app over again, sometimes for a hefty premium, just so the resolution is good.
Check out this: Must Have Android Apps for Google Nexus 7 to find some good apps tailored for Nexus 7
I'd recommend not wasting your time clicking that link. Lists Facebook & instagram (not tablet optimized) and Netflix (not exactly a secret) along other common and or not so useful apps.
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brian85 said:
I'm downloading apps and they are filling the entire screen, but the text is very small. Obviously phone apps.
Are there any specifically made for bigger tablet screens?
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Did you try going to Settings > System > Font Size and change it to your preference?
Generally apps that have HD in the title/description are optimized for tablets. I find that a lot of apps don't scale the splash screen very well but the app itself works well. A good example of this NBC News. The main menu doesn't scale up but the articles display fine.
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I had the original Nexus 7, and loved it; however, only after I was able to root it and install a ROM that supported a "true tablet UI." The Phablet UI was nothing more than a bother to me, as apps that had a separate version for phones and tablets, I would always end up running the phone version. I would think with a 1080p resolution combined with a 7" screen a tablet UI would have no problems being ran. From what I can see, it looks as if the Phablet UI will be standard again.
How quickly do you think ROMs will come out and be able to run a true tablet UI? Also, are there any other tablets coming out soon that will be a competitor, with a 1080p screen, and running a true tablet UI? Maybe with external storage, as well?
Tablet Mode was phased out and no longer officially supported. We only have Tablet Mode thanks to the the wonderful Devs finding and activating the code.
SO... we probably won't have tablet mode out of the box, but custom roms like AOKP and others now know how to force tablet UI. So it would (should) just be a matter of time until those are ported.
There still are separate 10 inch layouts for the apps and even the systemui. The resolution doesn't determine which layout is used. The number of DP's is what determines it. This is calculated by the screen resolution and the LCD density setting. 4.1 had no effect on how third party apps gave their layouts. It just added a separate 7 inch layout.
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Tablet Mode was phased out and no longer officially supported.
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I want to add my voice that I agree with OP.
Phablet UI is the most retarded GUI for a tablet.
I will not be upgrading to 4.3 until our fantastic devs have added true tablet ui back.
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I want to add my voice that I agree with OP.
Phablet UI is the most retarded GUI for a tablet.
I will not be upgrading to 4.3 until our fantastic devs have added true tablet ui back.
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I use N7 in portrait mode most of the time, and find the phablet UI fantastic. Tablet mode confuses me, why would I want to use something quite different then my phone, just for the sake of being different, stock N7 looks great. Yes, some apps are run in phone mode, but if you bug developers enough, they'll add N7 into the code so it'll be run in tablet mode specifically.
Get over the idea of "phablet". That is the standard android UI
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issak42 said:
why would I want to use something quite different then my phone
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Um.... because you're already using something quite different from your phone? If you want to use your phone, use your phone. If you want to use a tablet, it shouldn't be forced to the same UI that is optimized for extremely small screens.
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Get over the idea of "phablet". That is the standard android UI
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Pretty much this. The current UI is the "Android UI" now.
Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
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Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
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So have you tried rooting the Amazon Fire tablet with other rooting apps? I am not sure that it is ADB's problem, but it is worth a try.
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Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
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Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
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Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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dro3m said:
I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
Davey126 said:
Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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Hm, well I do here that theuare going to update their tablets to Android 7.1. That could leave some doors open.
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Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
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Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue from the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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DragonFire1024 said:
It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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What kind of restrictions?
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None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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Come on! I just a middle school nerd. I don't have no job, although, I want to get so I can get a Asus Zenfone 5z
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What kind of restrictions?
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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You have any guide of how to do that?
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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The setting was blocked. The support is there, but wasn't available to toggle. If there is a drain, it's very little. Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing. I'll post findings later. I had a minor setback
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Davey126 said:
Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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I'm convinced there's a way and i think we're closer than we were 2 weeks ago at unlocking these things. I've noticed a few things here and there. I remember one thing you said to me way back when...about replacing the ecosystem piece by piece. Almost all I've done with the framework and settings and various other things, it seems Amazon just pushed Android out of the way, rather than create their own "os". I'm simply undoing their pushings and replacing it with the Android code, which by the way, in most cases, they don't delete. If they did that with the system, it's possible they did that in the other partitions. Unfortunately, I haven't even glanced at most of the other partitions. Mostly because it's a whole nother level.