hello, look abit and from what it looks like the slim rom someone made be best just stock but debloated, which is always good, but camera mods there seem to be alot of different ones, some more for advanced users, im not good with all the technical stuff when it come to photograpgy, i just point and shoot, I guess 4:3 ratio will be better for instagram and facebook uploading which is what id be using it for, so i guess the mod that allows 20mp in 4:3, is there any other mods or tips you suggest for me going travelling for 2 months around thailand and wanna get good snaps
You dont need mods for good shooting if the camera is already capable.
Though here is my tips:
-Dont use flash, turn it off.
-For dark environment, use highest iso that you have or just use night scene or high sensitivity modes.
-keep your hand steady if you dont want blurry shoot.
-use grid if you want to get good perspectives in the camera properties.
-I recommend post process the picture through an app called Pixlr Express if you want to get the best of your picture.
-Dont point at the sky in broad daylight if you want to shoot scenery and use HDR.
I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed
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I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed
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I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,
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I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,
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You make a good point, its very difficult for the average user to see a small improvement or worsening of image quality,
What we can do however is work with the assumption that Sony makes its software better with new releases, and that backporting those releases would give us those improvements, whatever they are. Newer is better is the motto here.
For point and click users like you and me the most important function is superior auto. I believe Sony does keep improving that so installing backported apps and libraries should result in better superior auto photo quality.
However for those who like to tinker with the settings you can make much better photos with a 3rd party app like CameraMX, without any further modding.
There is one mod though that never fails to please, and that is setting the quality of the jpg images to 100%, also any mod that would replace the jpeg encoder with a better one would be great but i don't think that exists.
We could try to do a more formal test but i cannot do it.
Here is a respected reviewer, all we need to do the same thing on a phone with either multirom or 2 nandroid images so each shot can be made with and without the mod.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7381192801/apple-iphone-6s-plus-camera-review?page=6
So i figured out how to test if camera mods improve, degrade or do nothing.
What you do is build a repeatable testing environment.
This means creating something like a macro studio, but with fixed positions for the phone so each time you take it out and put it back its in the same position.
Example: http://strobist.blogspot.nl/2006/07/how-to-diy-10-macro-photo-studio.html
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However instead of making macro's you make pictures of test images.
Example: http://vcc.zih.tu-dresden.de/index.php?linkid=1.2.32&lang=en
This seems to be a rather cheap option: http://www.simplefilter.de/en/analysis/digicam1.html
Here is another free option: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html
Best case would be to use a correctly calibrated proffesionally printed image.
So there seems to be automatic processing software, but even if you can't get your hands on that an easy test would simply be psnr test comparing the photo to the original image.
No need to go overboard, we're looking for differences between stock vs mods, so it doesnt need to be perfect you just need a stock baseline, and then see if a mod improves psnr or not compared to that baseline.
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hi there. recently i notice that there are green dotss and blue dotss somewhere on the picture taken from my camera.. does this mean that there are dead pixels?? or my camera become faulty??
is there anywhere to clear all the dots tat are on the picture??
sorry my english is not so good
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i had uploaded a photo that had been taken from my camera..
please have a look, there are lotsa green dots n blue dot somewhere on the picture..
how can i solve this problem??
I've got green and red dots also on my camera. Even had it on my only previous faulty device too.
Apparently I think this happens for everyone's XDA IIi or equivalent device. Is there any experts out there who can explain the cause?
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thats called Sensor Noise! because the photo sensor on mobile devices is so small if you try and take a picture in a dark environment you'll get noise!
try taking a pic in an environment with plenty of light :wink:
if you want a decent picture spend a few $$ on a decent camera
i had try out taking a picture somewhere brighter, but the result still same.. here's the picture i had taken.
by the way, how can i upgrade my xdaIIi's camera to the type of camera u mention ?? upgrade it from o2 service department ??
thankss
You can't upgrade the internal camera, there are no direct replacements. If you look at the Hi-res images I got of the Alpine you'll see the sort of size and shape of camera required and I very much doubt there'll be others the same or similar shape/size. If there are then you need to add the data ribbon to connect it.
Overall go to an Elec store and buy a dedicated camera.
I don't agree. Motorola V3 has a camera as small as XDAIIi and the pictures are awesome. Lenses are a determinant factor in quality. I personaly have a Canon DC20 that takes wonderfull photos but I would like to get better photos with my XDAIIi. Why not get better results wiyh ours devices? Converging functions in one device is helpfull to mobile professionals. BTW, tweaking the camera settings in registry makes the photos much better. See this forum for more information.
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i had try out taking a picture somewhere brighter, but the result still same.. here's the picture i had taken.
by the way, how can i upgrade my xdaIIi's camera to the type of camera u mention ?? upgrade it from o2 service department ??
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I think that there is no problem on your camara. note that if you want to have a good picture you must chose the best index light in setting of the camara for example; ambience: night or flourescent... and the cature mode, cature size..
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i had try out taking a picture somewhere brighter, but the result still same.. here's the picture i had taken.
by the way, how can i upgrade my xdaIIi's camera to the type of camera u mention ?? upgrade it from o2 service department ??
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The camera isnt that good but you are never going to get great pics from a lens that size and indoor pics are always going to be grainy without a flash tho you should be getting better pics than those you have so far
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Do a search for AtekSoft's CoolCamera. It allows quite a few more options than the default. There may be better camera replacement software out there, but I havn't found it yet.
Ateksoft is the one most Cooooooooool Camera software.....
From what I understand, O2 included a camera 'upgrade' in their extrom (which installs whenever you hard reset), which actually makes the camera quality WORSE. I've not tested it myself, as I'm quite happy with my phone setup as it is and really don't want to hard reset AGAIN, but some users report that flashing their device with the firmware which doesn't include this camera upgrade makes their camera quality better.
Also, you have to bear in mind that pretty much all cameras use cheap and nasty CMOS sensor technology (what low-quality webcams use) - the resolution and light sensitivity of CMOS technology is REALLY poor compared to CCD, but CCD tech is much more expensive and sucks up more battery power (hence CMOS technology being more widespread in the mobile industry).
Better quality cameras are starting to appear, and the quality of the k750i camera continues to astound me when I see my friends' photos. It won't be long though, I remember seeing articles about lenses made with a tiny suspension of water inbetween two nanometre-thick layers of plastic, to which an electric current could be applied to make the water change shape, acting as an optical lens... This kind of technology will drastically increase the quality and cost-effectiveness of higher-end portable, miniature camera technology, and I can't wait until it becomes widespread.
Ok, So the camera's 3.2 mega pixel and the video recorder records pretty low res.
Would it be possible to edit the recorder so that it can record higher res/better quality?
Or is there any apps or console commands to change this
Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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I actually have to agree with this as I've had the G600 and that camera SUCKED no matter what PhoneArena says. I noticed i would only use the G1 for pictures so i got rid of the 600
I took a picture of my eye and then shooped the hell outta it. (I added alot of the spots and wrinkles :X)
This is a resized/croped version, Hell you can see the g1 reflection in my eye.
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Its a nice camera!
Anyone? I still would like this answered
nice fake :-D
your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Ok you must not be able to read.
I'm not asking about quality of the camera.
Im asking if its at all possible to make video RECORDING better or higher res.
And what do you mean by nice fake?
If ur implying the pictures fake, Its not at all fake and was taken by my g1.
It depends alot on bandwidth of memory in the device. I dont know if it is possible right now to make a better/higer quality video recorder. If Google creates API's that take advantage of the full potential of the graphics chips we may get a better camcorder app.
I updated to hero and it seems to have a bit better video recording
but thats because of the codec it uses.
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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Thanks.
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No, and the reason is:
A still camera has a longer exposure time and can dedicate more light overtime for each picture. A video has to a expose an image 30 times a second, so in order to expose properly the camera must take many pixels from the ccd and group them together as 1 pixel reducing image size for video. (I could be done by reducing FPS, but that will only go so far.)
And there is also issues with video format standards and the G1 ability to play back video to consider as well.
Heck, even my Canon 5D Mark II can only record video at 1/10th of the resolution it captures still images at. It does video at 1920x1080 or 2,073,600 pixels, whereas still images are captured at 5616x3744 or 21,026,304 pixels.
I think people expect far too much from a phone that has a camera that probably cost $15 to manufacture (the camera part - not the whole phone).
No I dont exspect it to do better i just wondering if it could.
I was planning to get a new Xperia Z1 (but it is not released yet in my country /Iraq/ ) and I was saying
Can any Dev hack it to get it recording the 4K videos
I mean the crappy note 3 can ?? why the Z1 can`t ?? they have the same SD 800 and i don`t think the ram has any effect Because the note 3 need it to run those useless bloatware and sam`s ****s
also can it be cracked to get higher framerate like 60 [email protected] or 120 [email protected] like slowmotions videos??
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I have the same questions since Z1 was offically released
It's possible. Someone might hack the Z1 camera app to support 4K video and 720/1080P video at higher framerates. Although I also think it's a possibility Sony will add this with an official update.
For now we have to wait for Sony anyway, to fix their bootloader unlock. After that developers can try and add features, until then though, nothing I guess..
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It's possible. Someone might hack the Z1 camera app to support 4K video and 720/1080P video at higher framerates. Although I also think it's a possibility Sony will add this with an official update.
For now we have to wait for Sony anyway, to fix their bootloader unlock. After that developers can try and add features, until then though, nothing I guess..
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Yeah I would say the same, obviously something went wrong with the camera SW with all those problems so I think they dropped the 4k support in order to fix the other problems(grain and low light performance) before adding in other additional features. We all know Sony always f*ck up the first 1-3 months on their SW but after that we may well indeed see A LOT of Camera mods.
Sony always seemed to be in a rush to launch products, then release sub standard firmwares etc, good to see nothing has changed. All it does is gives them bad reviews because the people doing the reviews have buggy substandard software.
If Sony really want to get serious about being at least number 2 in the android space they need to get their act together, so when the phone is launched and tested/reviewed that the reviewers go nuts on how great everything is. Then peoples decisions are likely to be swayed.
The good news is the the hardware is capable to support 4k
What's this fascination with being able to record in 4k when the chances of anyone having a 4k display to play it back on is practically nill?
Is it bragging rights?
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What's this fascination with being able to record in 4k when the chances of anyone having a 4k display to play it back on is practically nill?
Is it bragging rights?
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No, it's future proofing and innovation. I would have killed to have the 20 year old videos of me in 1080p, let alone 720p instead of crappy VHS PAL quality. If possible, I would shoot everything in 1080p 3D or 4k 3D.
Why not record in the best possible quality and then be happy in a few years because you can then enjoy it fully?
can z1 record slow motion videos
Here's an interesting piece of info, I wonder if Stuff know something we don't...
I rate Stuff pretty Informative and enjoy reading their magazine, I haven't had one for a few months so decided to download their latest magazine which came out yesterday. On page 22 there's a page on the Z1 and well as you will see from my 2nd image they've put about it "Special moves including encoding and decoding and 4K video and 7.1 virtual surround sound."
Now I know that it doesn't say the camera records in 4k and they are referring to the Snapdragon 800 chip, but saying that in the first paragraph about its features; I find this really interesting because the phone doesn't show 4k so what else would they refer to 4k?
Thoughts?
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I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).
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I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).
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I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.
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I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.
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Thanks. I've heard good things about the Vodafone version. I currently have the Idol 3, and coming from the Nexus 4 before that, it was a big improvement in terms of photo quality. I've been using my Idol 3 for photos a lot recently and although it is great for well-lit, non-moving objects, I have become more aware of the lower quality pics in low-light and blurry pics in general when there is slight movement. I think the Idol 4S is a step up in terms of quality but still leaves something to be desired overall.
Recently I ended up getting a reasonably-priced digital camera which takes great photos. It really illustrated how good a camera can be. I might just get the Idol 4S and carry my digital camera with me for special occasions.
Updated yesterday to version 010 02 with the august security patches with the Mobile Upgrade Q desktop programm. Camera seems better imo opinion (at least with sufficient light!) and overall performance seems faster and snappier then before. Caution: upgrading with Q will flash the whole rom and wipes the device!. Idol 4S 6070K Netherlands. Realy love the devices`s performance and especialy the great speakers
Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand
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Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand
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Pretty much is about the steady hand, because with this you can make nice pictures.
I attach some pictures I made with the phone.
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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing
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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing
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As long as you keep it steady, it indeed does a good job.
HRD is really nice for low lights situations, but again, you must be really steady when taking the pictures.
Regarding the manual mode, is also nice to play with it and you can get some nice results as well.
Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.
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Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.
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TBH when my Idol 3 updated to MM, my cell reception went wonky so I am in no rush.
I see many people are complaining about the image quality of the phone. From what I have personally seen I am amazed at the image quality which more than exceeded my expectations.
The following images are taken by myself, with some camera settings changed and manual shooting but no editing aside from cropping.
Most people are quick at talking absolute rubbish or simply have no idea how to use a camera or it's settings.
With some knowledge of photography and using manual settings, the Mi Mix is capable of amazing photos.
Please tell me what is so bad about these:
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Same image cropped, look at the detail:
Another Angle:
Same image as above cropped:
Image of the metal links:
Sample Image Of Rose:
You are hairy my friend, but nice photo
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You are hairy my friend, but nice photo
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I see many people are complaining about the image quality of the phone. From what I have personally seen I am amazed at the image quality which more than exceeded my expectations.
The following images are taken by myself, with some camera settings changed and manual shooting but no editing aside from cropping.
Most people are quick at talking absolute rubbish or simply have no idea how to use a camera or it's settings.
With some knowledge of photography and using manual settings, the Mi Mix is capable of amazing photos.
Please tell me what is so bad about these:
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Picture quality is excellent! Would you please share some of the settings and an idea of lighting. Thanks!
it's really not as bad as other says, but it's not really that good. The bokeh in the last picture for example is pretty poor. There is also a lot of colour noise which you can see.
My biggest problem with it is the colour isn't accurate, sometimes it oversaturates way too much.
Here's my small impression:
http://imgur.com/a/R7cIo
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Picture quality is excellent! Would you please share some of the settings and an idea of lighting. Thanks!
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Thanks. Settings used:
Mode - Manual
Camera frame - 4:3
Picture Quality - High
Exposure Settings - Spot Metering
Contrast - Normal
Saturation - Normal
Sharpness - Higher
Iso - The lower the better due to noise. I usually use 100 or max 200. Any higher and noise levels will be too high.
Exposure - For beginners this is the tricky part. It all depends on available light. The higher the exposure the better, however, you need very good light for 500 or more. Otherwise in good to decent lighting you can use 60 or 100.
In really poor lighting you may have to go as low as 15 or 30 shutter speed. However, unless you have very calm hands you may get camera shake resulting in a slightly blurry image. It's hard to explain but practice various shutter speeds yourself in different lighting conditions to experience it for yourself.
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it's really not as bad as other says, but it's not really that good. The bokeh in the last picture for example is pretty poor. There is also a lot of colour noise which you can see.
My biggest problem with it is the colour isn't accurate, sometimes it oversaturates way too much.
Here's my small impression:
http://imgur.com/a/R7cIo
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I do agree the bokkeh can be a little fuzzy but then again most camera phones are. You cannot compare the bokkeh from a camera phone to a DSLR.
With regards to noise, I do agree that there is slight noise even at Iso 100 and 200. That said, most other camera phones have some image noise due to the small sensors...
Still, should you have decent lighting, the Mi Mix is capable at taking some good pictures as long as it's set up correctly and the photographer knows what he is doing, not just point and shoot.
With regards to low light, there is no existing phone that can take decent images. Difficult and sensor size is too small. All you can do is either to balance the phone, use self timer and drop the exposure to 1/8 or even 1/4th of a second to get a clean image.
There will be some image noise due to the available light /darkness but these are the limits for any camera phone, not only the Mi Mix.