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about diamond camera

what's about diamond's camera quality?

i´m also curious
if possible post some fotos by diamond camera?

You can see some photos at
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Diamond-Review-review-r_1956-p_5.html
There's also a nice review there

very good!
but my photos not so great
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took photos myself for test in different enviroments and wether conditions.

See these:
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365731&page=35&pp=15&highlight=lens
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365731&page=37&pp=15&highlight=lens
Though they req'd some minor mods...

OK...I have an interesting camera question. The XPERIA X1 is fairly similar in specification, and yet that can do 640x400px 30fps videos (according to PDAdb and Wikipedia) while the Touch Diamond can only do 320x240px 30fps videos. People have fiddled with the registry to get better video quality settings on other HTC devices, so does anyone know of something that I have overlooked which may make such a hack/upgrade impossible or not worth trying?
If not, can someone with the device please search the forums for details on how this was done before and see if they can record 640x400 or 640x480 30fps videos with their Touch Diamond.

YES !
brilliant, just what i've been scouring the net for the last hour....
..... VIDEO RECORDING DETAILS !
as DARK FIRE asks, the sony Xperia has the same chip driving the device and can do VGA video recording @30fps.
(unless you live in USA! political problems it seems lol!).
the 2 main deciding factors that i'm thinking of between getting an Xperia or a touch pro (raphael) are:
1)800*640 resolution is sweet, but on a 3" screen may be too much squeezed into too little. after having my universal for the last 3 years i love the big screen.
(i drooled over Qualcomm's SNAPDRAGON prototype!).
2)the video camera [email protected]
i want the camera recording feature as a priority, so if the diamond DOESN'T have [email protected] then that makes my mind up easy for the Xperia.
if, BOTH can do good video recording, then i'll need to think about the only issue of the screen size and resolution.
nowhere on the net could i find anyone reviewing the diamond and mention the video recording/playback quality,etc.
they always stop at the still camera shots.
so who's 1st to confirm the official spec of the diamond regarding video recording, and if any exist...hacks to improve it!

p3ngwin said:
brilliant, just what i've been scouring the net for the last hour....
..... VIDEO RECORDING DETAILS !
as DARK FIRE asks, the sony Xperia has the same chip driving the device and can do VGA video recording @30fps.
(unless you live in USA! political problems it seems lol!).
nowhere on the net could i find anyone reviewing the diamond and mention the video recording/playback quality,etc.
they always stop at the still camera shots.
so who's 1st to confirm the official spec of the diamond regarding video recording, and if any exist...hacks to improve it!
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Here you go mate: http://www.coolsmartphone.com/article775.html
On the middle of the page you'll find a link to download a clip recorded with diamond in it's original format. That video has on average about 19fps. Seems like the fps depends on lighting condition. lower lighting condition = low fps

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Here you go mate: http://www.coolsmartphone.com/article775.html
On the middle of the page you'll find a link to download a clip recorded with diamond in it's original format. That video has on average about 19fps. Seems like the fps depends on lighting condition. lower lighting condition = low fps
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i'm disappointed with the resolution & framerate from the 2 recordings on that site
those videos were Qvga and barely scraped above 20fps ( as you mentioned).
there is definatly something the matter with the software if it can't record [email protected]
the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will (once finalized, as stated in the specs) record [email protected] in 2 formats, using the SAME CHIPSET as Diamond!
another example, the LG viewty, can record [email protected], QVGA up to 120fps.....although it is a different chipset and has the benefit of the Divx codec.
on this site, horrible as 1/2 the content & it's layout may be, the guy has a pre-production Xperia and plays around with it a lot.
on the topic of video recording, he takes a few videos, but his site uses GOOGLE VIDEO as a host.
the original Xperia recording is re-encoded for the web.this translates into even more artifacing and framerate issues.
he does give solid information about the quality and framerate of the Xperia's recordings, saying :
"The Quality of the video is much, much better when viewed on the X1 or from your computer.
The conversion process by Google to host this video has caused a degradation in quality and graininess that is not there when you view it as an original.
The Prototype does not have a menu for other video formats at this time, and, this video is in MPG4.3gpp format in about a 20mb file size.
Higher quality formats will be on-board in the commercial version. Already the frame rate has been improved from about 10 frames/sec to 22 frames/sec actual with a slight ROM improvement from .74 ROM to .75 ROM...."
the Nokia N93/95 series phones record very good video.
the Qualcomm chip found in the Diamond/Xperia SHOULD be able to at least match this.
here are videos recorded on the Nokia N93/N95.
video recording at a decent resolution and framerate is an important feature for me.
if the diamond struggles to do [email protected] then i will get the Xperia or something better later this year.....(like a SNAPDRAGON based device).

Optika said:
very good!
but my photos not so great
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You MUST be kidding, right? The HTC Touch Diamond camera is HORRIBLE.
If you take a picture of a not moving object like a building at very good light conditions, you may get a decent picture. Otherwise, this camera is USELESS and provides a horrible quality.
If you want to know what I'm talking about, compare the Touch Diamond camera to the Nokia E90 camera which has the same MP size.
Or if you really want to see what is possible with a TINY cell phone camera, get the new SonyEricsson C902 phone which is thinner and less wide than the Touch Diamond and it's pictures are incredibly good, almost at Nokia N95 level.
Also very important: shutter release speed and focusing speed, the C902 is aprox. three times faster than the Touch Diamond. OUCH.
The lack of a photo flash/light is also a problem.
So if you're looking for a good cell phone camera, the Touch Diamond is the wrong place to find it.

Quick question. Please read :X

Ok, So the camera's 3.2 mega pixel and the video recorder records pretty low res.
Would it be possible to edit the recorder so that it can record higher res/better quality?

Or is there any apps or console commands to change this

Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.

Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.

Frito37 said:
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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I actually have to agree with this as I've had the G600 and that camera SUCKED no matter what PhoneArena says. I noticed i would only use the G1 for pictures so i got rid of the 600

I took a picture of my eye and then shooped the hell outta it. (I added alot of the spots and wrinkles :X)
This is a resized/croped version, Hell you can see the g1 reflection in my eye.
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Its a nice camera!

Anyone? I still would like this answered

nice fake :-D

your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
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Ok you must not be able to read.
I'm not asking about quality of the camera.
Im asking if its at all possible to make video RECORDING better or higher res.
And what do you mean by nice fake?
If ur implying the pictures fake, Its not at all fake and was taken by my g1.

It depends alot on bandwidth of memory in the device. I dont know if it is possible right now to make a better/higer quality video recorder. If Google creates API's that take advantage of the full potential of the graphics chips we may get a better camcorder app.

I updated to hero and it seems to have a bit better video recording
but thats because of the codec it uses.

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your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769

just2good4u3434 said:
Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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No, and the reason is:
A still camera has a longer exposure time and can dedicate more light overtime for each picture. A video has to a expose an image 30 times a second, so in order to expose properly the camera must take many pixels from the ccd and group them together as 1 pixel reducing image size for video. (I could be done by reducing FPS, but that will only go so far.)
And there is also issues with video format standards and the G1 ability to play back video to consider as well.

Heck, even my Canon 5D Mark II can only record video at 1/10th of the resolution it captures still images at. It does video at 1920x1080 or 2,073,600 pixels, whereas still images are captured at 5616x3744 or 21,026,304 pixels.
I think people expect far too much from a phone that has a camera that probably cost $15 to manufacture (the camera part - not the whole phone).

No I dont exspect it to do better i just wondering if it could.

Is there any possibility to improve the camera on OB?

all the pictures are blurry and the videos taken with the camera stops eventually for half a second (I guess this is because of the stock sdcard).
Is there any possibility to improve the camera performance to get clean pictures?
Thank you in advance,
Haitzo

I've no problem with my camera (good picture) or for video recording (except strange ration for 720p).
I think it's maybe your LG black who has defect ?

I agree with guyTam

I mean with not good light conditions, all the pictures are blurry. I have read the same problem on other users. The video issue is probably because of the stock sd card.
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I mean with not good light conditions, all the pictures are blurry.
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That's with all phone cameras. They only work in perfect conditions. Sensor is too small for quality photo taking. Maybe with some Carl Zeiss, yes, you will get some nice looking photos.
Does that happen when you take landscape photos or with closer objects too?
I had similar problems with video recording but since started to use NOVA ROM, I don't any more. I have stock SD card.

No problems taking photos to landscapes, just in interiors and night pictures. I am using Pays rom, do you recommend me using nova? I am reading the thread and I thinks is still a little bit buggy?
Thank you

They both work better than stock. Tried both, I like Nova ROM more because of longer (by a lot) battery life. I don't play games so I don't know if they perform different speed wise. There is some bug with SD card but that's all.
If there will be some update for camera app, it will be from LG in next update (I hope). I don't think that anyone else can make any tweaks for stock app. Maybe some other app with filters like unsharp mask in Photoshop could do the trick.

quyTam said:
I've no problem with my camera (good picture) or for video recording (except strange ration for 720p).
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that's what i've noticed also... whenever i take videos and play them on the phone's video player, it looks fine, but when i transfer it to my laptop it looks kinda weird.
btw, the 5mp camera takes very nice stills. best one i had so far.

yeah because the lens sensor is too small; ƒ, shutter speed, can't be compared to real camera & the preview is only 4 inches resized to 800x480 obviously it looks good on phone, for excellent result you may not move/shake at all while taking a shot (if it possible, use a tripod). if the outdoor light is not enough... it can't be helped. ISO adjustment just makes your result even worse. here the example for outdoor shot from my phone:
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not too good for a camera but good enough for camera phone

lesp4ul said:
not too good for a camera but good enough for camera phone
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You are perfectly right

the aspect ratio of the videos recorded needs to be fixed, im surprised that LG hasn't fixed this after so long.
would be epic if devs managed to fix this before LG does

yeomond said:
the aspect ratio of the videos recorded needs to be fixed, im surprised that LG hasn't fixed this after so long.
would be epic if devs managed to fix this before LG does
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And the video format should not 3gp. The encoded results is horrible. Blurred, grainy, and awful audio quality.
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lesp4ul said:
And the video format should not 3gp. The encoded results is horrible. Blurred, grainy, and awful audio quality.
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I agree this one....the video format should be mp4.

I dont know what I did, But i just installed the stock rom after removing Nova. And surprisingly, the camera is taking awesome clicks. No speed lags for shutter/review. Aspect ratios seem fine for videos. And the video quality is amazingly improved.
Did someone just mention that Nova has better battery life ? What about pays ? hows the battery life on that ?

Best Camera Mods For my Z3 COMPACT, and rom.. going travelling

hello, look abit and from what it looks like the slim rom someone made be best just stock but debloated, which is always good, but camera mods there seem to be alot of different ones, some more for advanced users, im not good with all the technical stuff when it come to photograpgy, i just point and shoot, I guess 4:3 ratio will be better for instagram and facebook uploading which is what id be using it for, so i guess the mod that allows 20mp in 4:3, is there any other mods or tips you suggest for me going travelling for 2 months around thailand and wanna get good snaps

You dont need mods for good shooting if the camera is already capable.
Though here is my tips:
-Dont use flash, turn it off.
-For dark environment, use highest iso that you have or just use night scene or high sensitivity modes.
-keep your hand steady if you dont want blurry shoot.
-use grid if you want to get good perspectives in the camera properties.
-I recommend post process the picture through an app called Pixlr Express if you want to get the best of your picture.
-Dont point at the sky in broad daylight if you want to shoot scenery and use HDR.

I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed

tetsuo55 said:
I guess the best thing you could do is combine the Z5 camera libs with the Z5 ported camera and image quality mods on top of that.
You should be able to find the first 2 in this forum section and the image quality mods are available from scripts like L-Speed
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I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,

Whelan189 said:
I see lot of mods and this stuff although dont see any feedback on whether people say there are an improvement or not, this is what im wording the best combination which does improve it,
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You make a good point, its very difficult for the average user to see a small improvement or worsening of image quality,
What we can do however is work with the assumption that Sony makes its software better with new releases, and that backporting those releases would give us those improvements, whatever they are. Newer is better is the motto here.
For point and click users like you and me the most important function is superior auto. I believe Sony does keep improving that so installing backported apps and libraries should result in better superior auto photo quality.
However for those who like to tinker with the settings you can make much better photos with a 3rd party app like CameraMX, without any further modding.
There is one mod though that never fails to please, and that is setting the quality of the jpg images to 100%, also any mod that would replace the jpeg encoder with a better one would be great but i don't think that exists.
We could try to do a more formal test but i cannot do it.
Here is a respected reviewer, all we need to do the same thing on a phone with either multirom or 2 nandroid images so each shot can be made with and without the mod.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7381192801/apple-iphone-6s-plus-camera-review?page=6

So i figured out how to test if camera mods improve, degrade or do nothing.
What you do is build a repeatable testing environment.
This means creating something like a macro studio, but with fixed positions for the phone so each time you take it out and put it back its in the same position.
Example: http://strobist.blogspot.nl/2006/07/how-to-diy-10-macro-photo-studio.html
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However instead of making macro's you make pictures of test images.
Example: http://vcc.zih.tu-dresden.de/index.php?linkid=1.2.32&lang=en
This seems to be a rather cheap option: http://www.simplefilter.de/en/analysis/digicam1.html
Here is another free option: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html
Best case would be to use a correctly calibrated proffesionally printed image.
So there seems to be automatic processing software, but even if you can't get your hands on that an easy test would simply be psnr test comparing the photo to the original image.
No need to go overboard, we're looking for differences between stock vs mods, so it doesnt need to be perfect you just need a stock baseline, and then see if a mod improves psnr or not compared to that baseline.

Any word on software updates to optimize/improve Camera?

I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).

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I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).
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I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.

Galaxo60 said:
I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.
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Thanks. I've heard good things about the Vodafone version. I currently have the Idol 3, and coming from the Nexus 4 before that, it was a big improvement in terms of photo quality. I've been using my Idol 3 for photos a lot recently and although it is great for well-lit, non-moving objects, I have become more aware of the lower quality pics in low-light and blurry pics in general when there is slight movement. I think the Idol 4S is a step up in terms of quality but still leaves something to be desired overall.
Recently I ended up getting a reasonably-priced digital camera which takes great photos. It really illustrated how good a camera can be. I might just get the Idol 4S and carry my digital camera with me for special occasions.

Updated yesterday to version 010 02 with the august security patches with the Mobile Upgrade Q desktop programm. Camera seems better imo opinion (at least with sufficient light!) and overall performance seems faster and snappier then before. Caution: upgrading with Q will flash the whole rom and wipes the device!. Idol 4S 6070K Netherlands. Realy love the devices`s performance and especialy the great speakers

Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand

macallik said:
Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand
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Pretty much is about the steady hand, because with this you can make nice pictures.
I attach some pictures I made with the phone.
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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing

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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing
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As long as you keep it steady, it indeed does a good job.
HRD is really nice for low lights situations, but again, you must be really steady when taking the pictures.
Regarding the manual mode, is also nice to play with it and you can get some nice results as well.

Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.

HughJanus said:
Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.
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TBH when my Idol 3 updated to MM, my cell reception went wonky so I am in no rush.