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Could anybody post some sample photos from the kaiser camera at maximum quality settings?, maximum resolution, best jpeg compression...
thanks!

pepeto2001 said:
Could anybody post some sample photos from the kaiser camera at maximum quality settings?, maximum resolution, best jpeg compression...
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http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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Very good quality.

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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They are not bad at all. Colors seem a little faded though. Oh well, it's a cellphone!

eva_d said:
http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/
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Eva_d, the new photos are better than the initial ones (the ones yo uploaded to modaco forum), could you try a macro photo?, or some photos with the camera holded firmly to very near objects?, and a recorded video?
Thank youuu very much!!!!

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, the new photos are better than the initial ones (the ones yo uploaded to modaco forum), could you try a macro photo?, or some photos with the camera holded firmly to very near objects?, and a recorded video?
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Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.

eva_d said:
Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.
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That macro pics are very good, I'm beginning to think that the initial photos that werent as good as paul(modaco) samples was because of not holding the camera firmly until photo was done... isnt it?... I'm talking about imag0005, imag0006...

Nice pictures and good quality (focus/resolution).
A scan of a letter would be a other good indicator for the macro function (focus/resolution).
Maybe you can take one more photo of e.g. an advertising letter
or of a journal/magazine with text?
Thanks!

Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?
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I must say that kind of keyboard is really convenient, I was using Nokia E61 for almost 2 months as a primary phone, and actually I liked it. But I'm back on board with WM platform.
Btw. I've uploaded example video - sorry for rotation, I did it from a mobile holder in my car. I've also uploaded close-up of texts, as requested - a little blurry tough, I should have done them from more distance.

the video looks really good... the macro shots... maybe there wasnt enought light, this phone cameras have a big shutter lag, this is the time since you press de button and the photo is really done, then, it is really important to hold steady the "camera" till the photo is on screen..
Thanks for your photos again!!

Is 320x240 the highest resolution?

Here some of my "masterpieces"
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great photos, they look very good!!!, any photo with faces?, in a crowded street or something similar..

eva_d said:
Macro pics just uploaded (note: adjusted white balance). IMHO they are pretty good! Video - don't have yet, maybe tomorrow.
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Quite impressive for a cameraphone. I can't believe what I'm seeing actually.
Although http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/IMAG0039.jpg shows that the debayering algorithm used by the phone is CRAP. "maze" patterns like those seen in the sky are a known issue with the simpler interpolation algorithms. Has anyone created a camera app for HTC phones that can save raw sensor data to be given to an application such as dcraw?

pepeto2001 said:
Eva_d, I've seen in the photos you also have a nokia with the keyboard "always visible", do you feel this kind of keyboard (always on) to be better than on the tytn that you must "expand" it all the time?
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The slide-out keyboard has major form factor advantages (phone is smaller and keys are larger), but there are plenty of times I miss my Treo 650's non-slideout "always-there" keyboard, especially when dialing.
Palm has stagnated a lot, but the one thing where they are way ahead is in terms of "non-stylus" operation. Strange that there is a Smartphone Edition of Windows Mobile but many of its improvements are not in the version for phones with a touchscreen.

Entropy512 said:
Quite impressive for a cameraphone. I can't believe what I'm seeing actually.
Although http://klamstwo.org/evad/stuff/kaiser/samples/IMAG0039.jpg shows that the debayering algorithm used by the phone is CRAP. "maze" patterns like those seen in the sky are a known issue with the simpler interpolation algorithms. Has anyone created a camera app for HTC phones that can save raw sensor data to be given to an application such as dcraw?
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Sadly coolcamera doesn't work with Kaiser for some reason.
http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html
I was usually getting better pictures with coolcamera on any HTC phone.

This is a Sample Photo:
Enjoy
Nadavi

wow!, last photos are very good, they show the quality of the camera!!

One more. I did tweaked parameters a bit.

Camera Photo Taking - Quality is bad

Hi fellows,
Anyone can elighten me here? when i use the camera and take a photo, when I go and view the photo, it is not the same quality I saw on the display, for some reason when the photo is saved, it is smudge, anyone encounter a similar situation? This happen more when photo is taken at night, it seems that the saving process damages the quality of the photo
Any feedback welcome
Thanks

First of all, appreciate that the size of the lens of the camera is so small, not so much light is going through it. So, especially at night, it will be hard to get nice pictures. This is not a camera with a phone, it is a phone with a camera!
Another issue is when you press the shutter release - squeezing your finger shakes the camera a bit, and this is something many camera users have to bear with. One idea is to use the timer for this instance, and place the Kaiser somewhere steady. Also, be aware that from the time you press the shutter release until it takes the picture does take longer than many dedicated cameras, so when you are doing your best to hold your camera still, be sure to do it long enough. I did that same error in the beginning, moving the camera even before it had taken the picture. Just keep it still for another second before you do anything else.

Poor Lighting
Overall I must say that I am very satisfied with the quality of the camera on my Tilt. However, this camera does seem to be more sensitive to poor lighting conditions than my 8125 was. This could either be caused by the absence of a flash or that the camera lens is 3MP instead of 1.3, and for that reason, picks up more flaws.
Any pictures I take outdoors with my Tilt turn out great. Actually the video recording is pretty damn good too. Indoors pictures tend to pickup a lot of "color noise" (Red, Green, Blue specs in the image) when taken.
I don't know which model phone you upgraded from, but another difference between the camera on the 8125 and the Tilt is that we now have an auto-focus lens, and that increases the time required to capture the image.
In the end, I am very satisfied with the camera on my Tilt, but as usual these comments based on my experiences only.

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Overall I must say that I am very satisfied with the quality of the camera on my Tilt. However, this camera does seem to be more sensitive to poor lighting conditions than my 8125 was. This could either be caused by the absence of a flash or that the camera lens is 3MP instead of 1.3, and for that reason, picks up more flaws.
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I've taken photos in bright sunlight outside and still gotten grainy/noisy photos, so I agree the camera is worse than the Hermes/8525 even w/o flash.
Richard

I think the camera is GREAT for a cell phone camera.
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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grizzley said:
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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See, that's what we're talking about - look at the sky?!?!?!?!? Yeah, cell phones are crappy cameras but WTF is that? Your subject shows it a little on things like the tree trunk, etc, but it's horrible artifacting
Richard

It's a cell phone... I was drinking.... It's only 3MP.
As far as I am concerned, it's a good camera. We are the newest owners of the latest technology that still needs to be fine tuned. How many other cell phones have 3MP cameras?

I think the camera is very good... MUCH better than many other phones I've seen......
Take a look at this samples with my kaiser..
http://personales.ya.com/aliste/kaiser/pruebas1.zip
Set the quality to finest, and be quiet when you take the photo..

so, I see that you like basic batteries, you have rusted keys, need more duct tape and like boring books. You can find a mate at match.com

grizzley said:
so, I see that you like basic batteries, you have rusted keys, need more duct tape and like boring books. You can find a mate at match.com
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that's not completely true... ;-)
I was simply trying macro capabilities
But take a look to this other samples (landscapes)... remember this is not a canon EOS, but it is a great camera for a mobile phone!
http://personales.ya.com/aliste/kaiser/pruebas2.zip

I think the tilt takes damn good pictures for a camera phone, but video recording is better on the 8525!

grizzley said:
I think the camera is GREAT for a cell phone camera.
Here is a picture taken with my camera the other day. To me, it looks very good for what it is.
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Although only 2MP, the Hermes has a better camera. Here's one sample:

Yea, I think you are correct... not too bad for 2MP!

I think the best setting for the camera to take good pictures is @ 1600X1200, with quality set to fine.
Here are some of my pics:

grizzley said:
Yea, I think you are correct... not too bad for 2MP!
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Yep, so coming from that to the Kaiser hurts. There's a lot more to a camera than Megapixels! Hopefully these Kaiser issues can be fixed either in firmware or with camera settings.... I just noticed the Adjustment page has Sharpness set at +3, I wonder if the minimum (+1) would provide better results?
Richard

Anyone who thinks the pictures taken by the 3.2MP camera on the Tytn II is even half decent has got rocks in there head. Take a look at some pictures taken with Sony Ericsons phones.
http://flickr.com/cameras/sonyericsson/
Nice landscape on a 3.2MP k800i
See what a good 2MP can do.(k750i/w800i)
I miss my k800i I lost that has now been replaced with a TytnII. The TytnII does a lot of great things the k800i did not but taken pictures is where the TytnII falls drastically short of the k800i and other SE phones.

The video is terrible. The 8525 camera was way better. When I try to record everything looks sluggish.

i can almost assure you guys that when coolcamera will support the kaiser we will see a big improvement.
were those 8525 pictures taken with coolcamera?
o and here's my sample pics on modaco:
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocke...n/260817/Sample-Pics-of-the-ATT-Tilt-Kaiser-/

mikeeey said:
i can almost assure you guys that when coolcamera will support the kaiser we will see a big improvement.
were those 8525 pictures taken with coolcamera?
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Mine were not - I didn't see any reason to pay for another camera app on my Hermes.... if it really cleans up the Kaiser images, I could be convinced otherwise
Richard

rsolomon said:
I just noticed the Adjustment page has Sharpness set at +3, I wonder if the minimum (+1) would provide better results?
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This is the well-known adjustment on the Hermes camera that makes the difference between sh*tty and good photos. And in older Hermes ROMs, this setting is not saved so you have to adjust it everytime you start the camera. I use the lowest Sharpness setting also on my TyTN II but unfortunately it doesn't give the same improvement as on the Hermes, just a little better.

Quick question. Please read :X

Ok, So the camera's 3.2 mega pixel and the video recorder records pretty low res.
Would it be possible to edit the recorder so that it can record higher res/better quality?

Or is there any apps or console commands to change this

Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.

Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.

Frito37 said:
Ok, Well that didn't answer my question.
Any the camera isn't poor it works great, Its a bit crappy in low light but still it looks awesome and better then a 5mp camera phone from samsung.
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I actually have to agree with this as I've had the G600 and that camera SUCKED no matter what PhoneArena says. I noticed i would only use the G1 for pictures so i got rid of the 600

I took a picture of my eye and then shooped the hell outta it. (I added alot of the spots and wrinkles :X)
This is a resized/croped version, Hell you can see the g1 reflection in my eye.
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Its a nice camera!

Anyone? I still would like this answered

nice fake :-D

your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Unfortunatly the camera is very poor and nothing will fix it. Thats all there is too it.
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Ok you must not be able to read.
I'm not asking about quality of the camera.
Im asking if its at all possible to make video RECORDING better or higher res.
And what do you mean by nice fake?
If ur implying the pictures fake, Its not at all fake and was taken by my g1.

It depends alot on bandwidth of memory in the device. I dont know if it is possible right now to make a better/higer quality video recorder. If Google creates API's that take advantage of the full potential of the graphics chips we may get a better camcorder app.

I updated to hero and it seems to have a bit better video recording
but thats because of the codec it uses.

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your question was answered in post 3 but ill repeat it for you.
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Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769

just2good4u3434 said:
Seriously, read the freaking thread before saying something stupid.
As for the question, I'm sure a developer could create a new app for higher resolution video recorder because it has been done on other devices. Try requesting it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446769
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Thanks.
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No, and the reason is:
A still camera has a longer exposure time and can dedicate more light overtime for each picture. A video has to a expose an image 30 times a second, so in order to expose properly the camera must take many pixels from the ccd and group them together as 1 pixel reducing image size for video. (I could be done by reducing FPS, but that will only go so far.)
And there is also issues with video format standards and the G1 ability to play back video to consider as well.

Heck, even my Canon 5D Mark II can only record video at 1/10th of the resolution it captures still images at. It does video at 1920x1080 or 2,073,600 pixels, whereas still images are captured at 5616x3744 or 21,026,304 pixels.
I think people expect far too much from a phone that has a camera that probably cost $15 to manufacture (the camera part - not the whole phone).

No I dont exspect it to do better i just wondering if it could.

Is there any possibility to improve the camera on OB?

all the pictures are blurry and the videos taken with the camera stops eventually for half a second (I guess this is because of the stock sdcard).
Is there any possibility to improve the camera performance to get clean pictures?
Thank you in advance,
Haitzo

I've no problem with my camera (good picture) or for video recording (except strange ration for 720p).
I think it's maybe your LG black who has defect ?

I agree with guyTam

I mean with not good light conditions, all the pictures are blurry. I have read the same problem on other users. The video issue is probably because of the stock sd card.
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haitzo said:
I mean with not good light conditions, all the pictures are blurry.
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That's with all phone cameras. They only work in perfect conditions. Sensor is too small for quality photo taking. Maybe with some Carl Zeiss, yes, you will get some nice looking photos.
Does that happen when you take landscape photos or with closer objects too?
I had similar problems with video recording but since started to use NOVA ROM, I don't any more. I have stock SD card.

No problems taking photos to landscapes, just in interiors and night pictures. I am using Pays rom, do you recommend me using nova? I am reading the thread and I thinks is still a little bit buggy?
Thank you

They both work better than stock. Tried both, I like Nova ROM more because of longer (by a lot) battery life. I don't play games so I don't know if they perform different speed wise. There is some bug with SD card but that's all.
If there will be some update for camera app, it will be from LG in next update (I hope). I don't think that anyone else can make any tweaks for stock app. Maybe some other app with filters like unsharp mask in Photoshop could do the trick.

quyTam said:
I've no problem with my camera (good picture) or for video recording (except strange ration for 720p).
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that's what i've noticed also... whenever i take videos and play them on the phone's video player, it looks fine, but when i transfer it to my laptop it looks kinda weird.
btw, the 5mp camera takes very nice stills. best one i had so far.

yeah because the lens sensor is too small; ƒ, shutter speed, can't be compared to real camera & the preview is only 4 inches resized to 800x480 obviously it looks good on phone, for excellent result you may not move/shake at all while taking a shot (if it possible, use a tripod). if the outdoor light is not enough... it can't be helped. ISO adjustment just makes your result even worse. here the example for outdoor shot from my phone:
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not too good for a camera but good enough for camera phone

lesp4ul said:
not too good for a camera but good enough for camera phone
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You are perfectly right

the aspect ratio of the videos recorded needs to be fixed, im surprised that LG hasn't fixed this after so long.
would be epic if devs managed to fix this before LG does

yeomond said:
the aspect ratio of the videos recorded needs to be fixed, im surprised that LG hasn't fixed this after so long.
would be epic if devs managed to fix this before LG does
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And the video format should not 3gp. The encoded results is horrible. Blurred, grainy, and awful audio quality.
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lesp4ul said:
And the video format should not 3gp. The encoded results is horrible. Blurred, grainy, and awful audio quality.
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I agree this one....the video format should be mp4.

I dont know what I did, But i just installed the stock rom after removing Nova. And surprisingly, the camera is taking awesome clicks. No speed lags for shutter/review. Aspect ratios seem fine for videos. And the video quality is amazingly improved.
Did someone just mention that Nova has better battery life ? What about pays ? hows the battery life on that ?

[Q] Xperia Z1 Record 4K videos

I was planning to get a new Xperia Z1 (but it is not released yet in my country /Iraq/ ) and I was saying
Can any Dev hack it to get it recording the 4K videos
I mean the crappy note 3 can ?? why the Z1 can`t ?? they have the same SD 800 and i don`t think the ram has any effect Because the note 3 need it to run those useless bloatware and sam`s ****s
also can it be cracked to get higher framerate like 60 [email protected] or 120 [email protected] like slowmotions videos??

+1
I have the same questions since Z1 was offically released

It's possible. Someone might hack the Z1 camera app to support 4K video and 720/1080P video at higher framerates. Although I also think it's a possibility Sony will add this with an official update.
For now we have to wait for Sony anyway, to fix their bootloader unlock. After that developers can try and add features, until then though, nothing I guess..

B1nny said:
It's possible. Someone might hack the Z1 camera app to support 4K video and 720/1080P video at higher framerates. Although I also think it's a possibility Sony will add this with an official update.
For now we have to wait for Sony anyway, to fix their bootloader unlock. After that developers can try and add features, until then though, nothing I guess..
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Yeah I would say the same, obviously something went wrong with the camera SW with all those problems so I think they dropped the 4k support in order to fix the other problems(grain and low light performance) before adding in other additional features. We all know Sony always f*ck up the first 1-3 months on their SW but after that we may well indeed see A LOT of Camera mods.

Sony always seemed to be in a rush to launch products, then release sub standard firmwares etc, good to see nothing has changed. All it does is gives them bad reviews because the people doing the reviews have buggy substandard software.
If Sony really want to get serious about being at least number 2 in the android space they need to get their act together, so when the phone is launched and tested/reviewed that the reviewers go nuts on how great everything is. Then peoples decisions are likely to be swayed.
The good news is the the hardware is capable to support 4k

What's this fascination with being able to record in 4k when the chances of anyone having a 4k display to play it back on is practically nill?
Is it bragging rights?

daleski75 said:
What's this fascination with being able to record in 4k when the chances of anyone having a 4k display to play it back on is practically nill?
Is it bragging rights?
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No, it's future proofing and innovation. I would have killed to have the 20 year old videos of me in 1080p, let alone 720p instead of crappy VHS PAL quality. If possible, I would shoot everything in 1080p 3D or 4k 3D.
Why not record in the best possible quality and then be happy in a few years because you can then enjoy it fully?

can z1 record slow motion videos

Here's an interesting piece of info, I wonder if Stuff know something we don't...
I rate Stuff pretty Informative and enjoy reading their magazine, I haven't had one for a few months so decided to download their latest magazine which came out yesterday. On page 22 there's a page on the Z1 and well as you will see from my 2nd image they've put about it "Special moves including encoding and decoding and 4K video and 7.1 virtual surround sound."
Now I know that it doesn't say the camera records in 4k and they are referring to the Snapdragon 800 chip, but saying that in the first paragraph about its features; I find this really interesting because the phone doesn't show 4k so what else would they refer to 4k?
Thoughts?
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