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You may have thought that you could get away from more Samsung news after the tsunami of Galaxy S5 coverage, but Samsung never strays too far from the headlines in the mobile world. During the S5 announcement, Samsung promised a new version of its Knox security would be unveiled, and now we know what to expect. Not surprisingly, Knox 2.0 leverages the Galaxy S5's new fingerprint scanner, and offers quite a bit more for the enterprise crowd.
The new version of Knox will offer a special treat for those who grab the new Galaxy S5 by allowing users to set up two-factor authentication on their devices. This would mean needing to both scan your fingerprint and enter your password to access your data. Samsung also has plenty of new features for those with older devices, and many focus on making management easier for both users and the IT department.
Users get better sandboxing, so you can set up separate containers for different jobs or multiple locations or even as a way to separate your work data from personal data. It has also been made easier to get the apps you want and need. Now, any apps that support Android's multi-user framework can be installed into a secure container.
On the enterprise management side, there is a new cloud-based console for IT admins to keep control of devices, user accounts, access, and apps. The system now supports iOS devices in addition to Android as well. Samsung has also set up a new Knox Marketplace, where businesses can discover and install Knox services.
Samsung has been pushing hard to gain more share of the enterprise market, but the numbers are difficult to parse. Samsung has said that it has sold 25 million devices with Knox since it first launched in , but there are only 1 million active users. It also reported 210,000 new activations each month. Knox 2.0 will be rolling out in Q2 of 2014 and will require Android 4.4.
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NoteboyTech said:
Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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avatar_ro said:
Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
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bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
dandroid13 said:
Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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bdithug said:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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That was in the EU though. Samsung Canada or North America might have different policy.
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I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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I ditched my s4 before the 4.2 update to avoid Knox. I am no fan of any device I can not root/recovery and then return it to factory state.
Loving life in nexus land.
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bdithug said:
Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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It'll probably be the same for all except maybe Motorola and Sony dev editions.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Yeah, I said the same thing. I ended up leaving VZW for Tmo (the ETF payoff thingy) and their Note 3 has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
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CZ Eddie said:
I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
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lol ill repeat myself... thats the same thing I said as well before switching to Tmo and getting their Note 3 which has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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because you can't brick your computer unless you do stupid things with your motherboard bios or whatever.
bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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+1.
What is a device that do not provide me the way I wanted it to. I truly believe the very popularity of the Samsung is not just for their heavy Touchwiz UI but it provides the customization to the user to use it as they wish.
I never will let Samsung decide how I have to use my phone and it is me who should think what I have to do with my phone.
All that I say is Samsung S5 is Sorry5, Goodbye5, Sucks5 and Knox -5
I don't see what the big deal about Knox is.?? I don't have it but if I did and I have to do a warranty exchange, I'll hard brick it by flashing a bad rom etc. They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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Josh McGrath said:
They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
I never cared for warranty stuff,as far as I'm concerned, Knox can kiss my a$$.
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
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True... but cut the wires off your USB charger so they're exposed. do the same on an old power cord, connect 'em and plug it in... oh, wear some rubber gloves while you do this "Hey man, the damned thing just COMBUSTED in my hand!"
(Actually, would be better with something like 24V... enough to fry the main board but not enough to generate TOO much outward hints)
Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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I've never done so on the manufacturer's warranty, it's always been on the insurance my carrier offers, I've done that a couple of times. They don't (or at least, never have) cared about root or warranty flags or any of that.
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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Short answer, no.
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
its all these IBone converts that are flocking to this phone..
They're so used to Apple telling them what they can and can not do, that they dont yet know how to handle the freedom of Android/T-Mobile..
i'm just going to assume you're directing that at someone else. i've been using using android for quite some time. there was no knox when i rooted my phone before.
i don't buy insurance from tmobile so they won't be the one that's handling my warranty issues if something happens.
Like the OP, I refuse to waste money on Carrier insurance, and my previous phones did not have Knox. So it remains an important issue if you are relying on Samsung warranty. It's clear that existing root will trip Knox. My question is - what is the chance that there will be a root that does not trip knox in the future. Is it worth waiting or is knox considered to be bulletproof?
Edit: and no, I never owned an iPhone, and all my Androids have been rooted so far.
From what I read nobody has been able to break the Knox that Samsung share this knowledge with Google.
If the phone died and no fault of your own, Samsung will not take it back even if Knox is tripped?
Im not expert but I think that Samsung has to have a way to remove " tripped Knox flag " or any phone with hardware failure and Knox flag tripped would have no resale value if, for example, usb port is replaced.
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dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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it IS too early to ask; the phone has been out for a few days, so if you're paranoid about rooting because of tripping Knox, you'll have to just wait around and see, or develop an exploit and share it with the rest of the folks who feel they need it..
I've given back a Note 2 and a Note 3, KNOX wasn't out for Note 2 but it was rooted. Note 3 had a counter of like 12, as stated above, T-Mobile doesn't check.
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We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
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This couldn't be any more true. I've rooted every phone I've had with them that could be rooted and never once had them turn me down for an exchange or replacement unit. Hell I think I replaced my old one s maybe seven or eight times over the years I had it and I even stopped flashing it back to stock and just sent it back. Not like it's super hard for them to clean it all back up to stock.
I'm certain that when you return a phone to most vendors, they just throw it into the "defect" pile, and those phones either gets wiped and re-imaged, or they send them to some 3rd party who buys them cheap and does that on their own.
after spending many years as a director of sales for a consumer electronics company, I know how expensive it is to try and inspect/repair returns, so I cant imagine that Samsung/t mobile/att and who ever else even bothers to look at them.
If you think about the thousands of phones coming back as returns every day, handling them any more than absolutely necessary is a major losing proposition for these companies, and they only care about profit. When you return your rooted/knoxed/bricked phone, they NEVER repair it, you just get a new or rebuilt one sent out to you.
But hey, if you want to worry about tripping Knox or sending in a rooted phone, and that you will be in trouble/charged/punished for that, then you just go ahead and keep thinking that!:cyclops::cyclops:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
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BACARDILIMON said:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
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@BACARDILIMON it wont even take that long!
I currently have the LG G3 and after seeing the note 4 in person I want one . I guess my main question is should I hold off or do you guys think that its worth it to move on from the G3. I was a note 3 user and loved the phone, but Samsung really pissed me off with the whole Knox garbage that they implemented. In advance I am sorry if this thread is out of place, I just wanted some feedback from current owners.
huh? why do you even care about knox?
Came from a g3 and the note is better
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Burned my knox fuse less than 24 hours in. Who cares?
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huh? why do you even care about knox?
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Well in the event that I need my phone serviced, my concern is that I will be denied warranty by either T-mobile or Samsung. I honesty considered this a shifty move to use this as a reason to deny warranty claims....I might be wrong because I never have had to send my note 3 in for warranty purposes anyway. I miss how easy it was to connect to my samsung smart tv with the note 3, with the lg g3 it never streams well.
I also came from a G3. Had 2 of them, gave my wife one and sold mine on Craigslist and used the money to get the Note 4 which I'm using now. The Note 4 is a better device. The Snapdragon 805 handles the 2K display better and the battery is also better. Phone also doesn't heat up as much as the G3. The display being LED is also better then the LCD in my opinion with colors popping or u can dim the colors down in display settings.
If your able to obtain a Note 4 I say go for it. The Note 4 is a better device and will have more Development behind it vs the G3.
If you can't upgrade your not missing much.
In my opinion the Note 4 / Nexus 6 / G3 are the best devices currently on the market. Note 4 having an edge with the LED display and Stylus.
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I also came from a G3. Had 2 of them, gave my wife one and sold mine on Craigslist and used the money to get the Note 4 which I'm using now. The Note 4 is a better device. The Snapdragon 805 handles the 2K display better and the battery is also better. Phone also doesn't heat up as much as the G3. The display being LED is also better then the LCD in my opinion with colors popping or u can dim the colors down in display settings.
If your able to obtain a Note 4 I say go for it. The Note 4 is a better device and will have more Development behind it vs the G3.
If you can't upgrade your not missing much.
In my opinion the Note 4 / Nexus 6 / G3 are the best devices currently on the market. Note 4 having an edge with the LED display and Stylus.
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I am on the old jump plan and I have one upgrade left for the year so I am able to upgrade. You mentioned the note 4 doesn't heat up as much as the G3, that was one of my concerns and thanks for clearing that up. Using the phone for the torque app or navigation really fires up the g3, almost too hot. How loaded with bloat is touchwiz this time around?
I have the Note 4 and it is a great phone. It has replaced my OnePlus One as my main phone. The Note 4 is definitely better than the One, but only marginally. It isn't 450.00 better. Not for my usage at least.
its crazy bright! i dimmed it to like 5% and its still pretty bright lol
The charge is quite fast compared to the N3
Ive played around with the G3 and i6+, Note4 has better build quality imo although it doesnt look that way in videos. you have to hold it to believe it.
Metal bezel makes it a little slippery but the leather back, which feels a lot better than N3, helps offset it.
N4 wouldve been the perfect phone if the "Samsung" logo in the front is removed, quite distracting
I just upgraded from Galaxy S4 and I love it! I rooted day 1 and have no regrets.
Erazo1986 said:
Well in the event that I need my phone serviced, my concern is that I will be denied warranty by either T-mobile or Samsung. I honesty considered this a shifty move to use this as a reason to deny warranty claims....I might be wrong because I never have had to send my note 3 in for warranty purposes anyway. I miss how easy it was to connect to my samsung smart tv with the note 3, with the lg g3 it never streams well.
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See this thread I made back in the day when note 3 came out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506287
twe90kid said:
See this thread I made back in the day when note 3 came out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506287
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T-mobile uses experian for warranties and jump related trades, didn't they recently implement a policy to no longer accept any device with a tampered flag,rooted,etc for warranty and or jump purposes. This implementation also includes devices with tripped knox flags. I'm not trying to be a bummer or anything I just try to think ahead.
Erazo1986 said:
T-mobile uses experian for warranties and jump related trades, didn't they recently implement a policy to no longer accept any device with a tampered flag,rooted,etc for warranty and or jump purposes. This implementation also includes devices with tripped knox flags. I'm not trying to be a bummer or anything I just try to think ahead.
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TMOBILE uses asurion for warranty claims and both have no care about Knox or root. They both send out replacement as they are. They flash fresh software and ship it. It does not matter for anyone but Samsung.
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BACARDILIMON said:
TMOBILE uses asurion for warranty claims and both have no care about Knox or root. They both send out replacement as they are. They flash fresh software and ship it. It does not matter for anyone but Samsung.
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so samsung does care if knox got tripped? just wanna make sure since i don't use tmobile warranty. so if anything were to happen, i'll have to ship it back to samsung for repairs.
i'm not worry bout bricking my phone with root. just don't wanna be burn by hardware issues unrelated to root 1 month later if samsung rejects warranty.
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so samsung does care if knox got tripped? just wanna make sure since i don't use tmobile warranty. so if anything were to happen, i'll have to ship it back to samsung for repairs.
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Samsung would care. But why use them when t mobile takes care of you. Plus sending phone back to Samsung is like a 2 week progress .
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| came from the G3 as well. while the G3 was a nice phone I think the note 4 beats it. The Screen is better, battery life trumps the G3, and personally I like how the note 4 feels in the hand. One thing l do like more on the G3 is how they were able to fit the screen in such a small body.
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so samsung does care if knox got tripped? just wanna make sure since i don't use tmobile warranty. so if anything were to happen, i'll have to ship it back to samsung for repairs.
i'm not worry bout bricking my phone with root. just don't wanna be burn by hardware issues unrelated to root 1 month later if samsung rejects warranty.
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Technically Tmobile can cover warranty for Samsung devices instead of you having to send it to Samsung. I forget what it's called but as long as your device is within the manufacturers 1 year warranty, tmobile can advance replace you one for $20. The defective device goes back to Tmobile. If you don't return the defective phone they charge you I think $200. I did this with my note 3 a few months ago when the screen on/off sensor broke.
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2624
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Samsung would care. But why use them when t mobile takes care of you. Plus sending phone back to Samsung is like a 2 week progress .
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I never bought any warranty/insurance from tmobile. I thought the basic 1 year warranty was that I can return to tmobile within 30 days and the rest of the year will be covered by samsung.
I will definitely be rooting ASAP if tmobile covers the entire year without me buying insurance from them.
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I never bought any warranty/insurance from tmobile. I thought the basic 1 year warranty was that I can return to tmobile within 30 days and the rest of the year will be covered by samsung.
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Ur first year is both but TMOBILE deals with it
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Technically Tmobile can cover warranty for Samsung devices instead of you having to send it to Samsung. I forget what it's called but as long as your device is within the manufacturers 1 year warranty, tmobile can advance replace you one for $20. The defective device goes back to Tmobile. If you don't return the defective phone they charge you I think $200. I did this with my note 3 a few months ago when the screen on/off sensor broke.
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Ur first year is both but TMOBILE deals with it
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cool, thanks. never knew this. i will definitely be rooting this tomorrow.
I did a google search and I got conflicting results. With knox being tripped would it cause an issue if I were to try and upgrade?
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nope, trade away
I had a rooted S4 and upgraded through the Jump program to the Note 4 without any issues. The employee just checked to see if the phone booted.
Have not had an issue exchanging via jump or warranty.
My Note 2 was on cyanogen mod when I traded it in.
You're good to go.
All the employees checked was that it booted and that it was wiped.
I've done a few rooted ones with no issues. So long as there is no water damage, cracked screens and it boots. I have heard horror stories about attempting to Jump running a custom mod so it might be worth your time to ODIN/stock back up. Good luck!
Done it twice at two different locations....no worries.
My Htc one m8 that i traded for the note 4 was on GPE conversion when i did the jump lol
Right on for the input. The reason I asked was because my daughter wants her phone rooted (doesn't like the lag) and she's up for an upgrade in a couple of months.
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I'm considering using my Jump upgrade to get an Edge+ or an LG v10. Has anyone had any problems jumping with a rooted S6?
This was my worry when I was jumping from a Galaxy Light (which I hadn't used for over a year) to my GS6, and the service agent at the store told me that they do a 3-point check: if it turns on, if there's physical damage, and if there's water damage (or something along those lines). They don't check software or firmware, they just need to know if it's in good usable condition.
Rooting voids your MANUFACTURER warranty, not your warranty to the network company.
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I'm considering using my Jump upgrade to get an Edge+ or an LG v10. Has anyone had any problems jumping with a rooted S6?
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Do it all the time. As long as it can be resold they don't care.
Tmo does not care rooted phone or not.
This provider only cares about whether or not the phone has seen water damage or if the screen is badly cracked you can see the components underneath. I can confirm that I have used Jump! to trade in my S5 running CyanogenMod, with root of course, to upgrade to my new S6. They didn't even check to see if the knox was tripped on it, which it was.