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Sent my kaiser to HTC for a warranty repair mainly due to the speaker not working (the loudspeaker works, not the ear speaker). The screen works fine, case is okay. Not too much else faulty, clip broken on battery cover, poor speakerphone performance from new, slow laggy interface from new inc on cooked roms.
I got a mail back saying I owe them £20 for looking at it (I never signed anything to this effect) and that the phone is liquid damaged (never been in liquid) and the warrany is void. They say it needs a new LCD screen, new MOBO, New Case.
How can my speaker not working be a fault of the fine case and working LCD screen???? They said please find attached invoice for repair quotation, nothing attached - only this picture illustrating the water damage - what the hell is it?
www.britishvegoil.co.uk/liquiddamagekaiser.jpg
Comments appreciated, my speaker failed and now I find myself in the stuck.
Greg.
my guess is that would be what they consider the void sticker that has been "compromised" due to "water damage" if it were me I would be making calls and asking questions.... it sounds extremely hinkey to me.... I had a rep try to do that to me awhile back on another phone and I said I wanted to talk to the direct manager and they took care of it...... so I would be asking questions....
greg123 said:
Sent my kaiser to HTC for a warranty repair mainly due to the speaker not working (the loudspeaker works, not the ear speaker). The screen works fine, case is okay. Not too much else faulty, clip broken on battery cover, poor speakerphone performance from new, slow laggy interface from new inc on cooked roms.
I got a mail back saying I owe them £20 for looking at it (I never signed anything to this effect) and that the phone is liquid damaged (never been in liquid) and the warrany is void. They say it needs a new LCD screen, new MOBO, New Case.
How can my speaker not working be a fault of the fine case and working LCD screen???? They said please find attached invoice for repair quotation, nothing attached - only this picture illustrating the water damage - what the hell is it?
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There is a little piece of " tape " inside the case of every phone that changes color when the phone is subject to moisture damage.
If this tape is tampered with or has changed it voids your warranty. It deters people from committing fraud, as is the charge for looking at your phone. are you the first owner ? I have also seen these tapes change due to high humidity and getting caught in a downpour.
Unfortunately they have the evidence of water damage. So I do not think you are going to get very far with the warranty aspect. But.......the righteous fight is the good fight. So good luck
ya.. I always wondered what that thing was...when its new, its white in color. I just did a warranty replacement and over the phone they asked me for the color of that pc..mine was white but I bet that if that pc is submerged in water it will turn to the color in your pix.
hey, my lcd cracked from my kaiser, i just searched for the lcd of it and opened up my phone and replaced it. just do the same but search for the internal ear speaker and do the same or replace the part that has to do with the ear speaker.
Thanks guys. I'm annoyed because I checked their emails and there is no mention, nor was there on the phone, of a £20 charge if it was deemed non-warranty, for them to look at/return it. Is it lawful for them to charge this?
I may look at fixing the speaker myself, given they claim it needs a new LCD and the only photo is of the moisture strip, not an ACTUAL corroded board etc, I am thinking that the speaker fault is nothing to do with moisture and legally they are liable if I send the phone to a 3rd party repairer and the repairer can find a physical fault and repair it wthout mention of water damage. I can then lay a claim on HTC as I have a 3rd party who can show evidence of fixing a fault that was not related to water damage.
What do you guys think? I know on pc's, DSG if they refused to repair one, would on occasion have the person take it to 3rd party and if the 3rd party did find a fault and fix it, DSG would cough up.
I have written to them and wait to see what they say.
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Greg.
I´ve been through this sticker-thingy-problem myself here in Sweden, a Nokia phone that never had been in contact with water. The sticker was pink and they would not let me repair it under warranty. It turned out that if you had the phone inside you jacketpocket the moisture inside your jacket could activate the sticker. This is not acceptable according to swedish law and I got help from the local consumer orginazation and Nokia changed their mind and got me a new phone. As it seems it turned out to be a faulty batteryconnector but they just checked the sticker and did not bother to check if something else was causing the problem.
This might also be the case with your phone, apparently theese stickers are to sensitive. A friend of mine got it to acivate just by going to Thailand.
Interesting, thanks gauntman. I'm hoping for something similar.
I have put my letter (minus personal details) up on the web here:
http://www.britishvegoil.co.uk/kaiser.htm
It details the full response from HTC, claiming I need a new LDC (nothing wrong with it!) and not mentioning my faulty hands free kit. It also details my reply to them which will go off recorded delivery tomorrow and the legal action I plan to take if they don't play ball.
If anyone is bored, please take a look and let me know if I have missed anything.
Greg.
ive gotta say i would argue that i want imei proof as that could be any phone,i used to work for a phone company many moons ago and they were caught out many times with not providing correct photos of the phones.the sticker should be topped with a shiny coating when it gets damp or wet then the covering seperates from the lypmus paper and turns pink.
Well the long and short is that after a big complaints letter business, it has been returned to me for free and the warranty voided. They will not repair it, they will not look at what is actually wrong with it, they will only quote for replacing everything.
As it's only really the ear speaker and handsfree kit that is broken (I can probably fix the rest with software) I'm starting a new thread to find an indi repairer in the UK/parts supplier and depending what they find may sue HTC.
Cheers guys, Greg.
greg123 said:
Well the long and short is that after a big complaints letter business, it has been returned to me for free and the warranty voided. They will not repair it, they will not look at what is actually wrong with it, they will only quote for replacing everything.
As it's only really the ear speaker and handsfree kit that is broken (I can probably fix the rest with software) I'm starting a new thread to find an indi repairer in the UK/parts supplier and depending what they find may sue HTC.
Cheers guys, Greg.
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Stop writing them emails. CALL AND ASK FOR A MANAGER! Fight them like there is no tomorow. Tell them over and over that it has not been exposed to liquid damage. Tell them that you live in a high heat/humidity enviornment and it is unacceptable that their tape turned pink without being exposed to actual water damage. Tell the manager that you have done a lot of research and that many people have had this issue with their warranty repairs. Make sure you tell them that you are going to get the local law involved! Dont do this in a letter or email. If you are still within your 1 year warranty, force them to replace it. You have absolutely nothing to lose and a new kaiser to gain.
I tried, spoke to a senior & I sent a recorded letter to the MD of HTC UK personally, I gave them 7 days notice etc.
It resulted in the £20 return charge being waived and the phone sent back free, but that's all. They are adamant that the phone is now out of warranty due to moisture and wash their hands of it.
Besides, it's back with me now. I'm still happy to sue them though, if I get a good repairer to confirm that it was something other than water damage caused the speaker to fail and there is no corrosion.
Greg.
pyraxiate said:
Stop writing them emails. CALL AND ASK FOR A MANAGER! Fight them like there is no tomorow. Tell them over and over that it has not been exposed to liquid damage. Tell them that you live in a high heat/humidity enviornment and it is unacceptable that their tape turned pink without being exposed to actual water damage. Tell the manager that you have done a lot of research and that many people have had this issue with their warranty repairs. Make sure you tell them that you are going to get the local law involved! Dont do this in a letter or email. If you are still within your 1 year warranty, force them to replace it. You have absolutely nothing to lose and a new kaiser to gain.
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HTC Warranty repair is a joke! I sent them my HTC TYTN because I got White Screen of Death. They charged me 20 dollars to look at it and then told me that a connector came of inside the phone and that it was "Customer Inflicted Damage". They then proceeded to tell me it would be 145 dollars to repair. after going back and forth with them I demanded my phone back and didn't get charged anything. I never dropped my phone or got it wet or even opened it up. They didn't want to admit they made a faulty product. They could't just say a connector broke off and we will fix it; just blame the customer, and I never got my outer box back. Luckly I had Insured my Phone from a third party. I told them every thing that had happened and they told me that it sounded fishy, so they went ahead and processed my claim. This Kaiser might just be my last HTC phone with the driver issues and such. BTW I bought this phone refurb from ATT not from HTC(not that it matters, they still got some money from it) If they bring the Touch HD stateside I might consider it, gone are the days when they came out with a phone and I jumped at it............. Rant over!
Hello Guys and Girls,
I recently sent my X1 back to SE for repair as the screen was glitching whilst in active calls (something I couldn't fix through repeated flashing from SE's update service).
I gave the call centre a ring and they advised me to send the unit to my nearest service centre, which I did. At the start of the week, I received an email from the service centre which read "Notification that unit is unrepairable" as the subject and the first thought that popped in to my head was new handset.. Lovely! Reading the email, I found the engineer had concluded that my unit was "Un-Repairable under the Warranty of the Manufacturer" and I was gob smacked, that was definitely not the response I was expecting.
So I gave the call centre a ring for an explanation of the reason and the lady pointed out that the engineer had found cracks in the resin. Now, this is not the case resin that most have complained about but the resin used to cover the main board's components. Yeah I've dropped the phone a few times but no more than most and it's usually in a sleeve when it does fall, so consumer damage seems like a poor excuse! So I asked the lady to escalate my problem because I don't believe that it was caused by me.
I received a letter from SE (sent recorded, signed for!) simply re-iterating what the lady on the phone had said to me and that "Unfortunately we are unable to comment as to how any form of damage has occurred we can only comment on the findings upon completion of the investigation". The best she could offer me was "a gesture of goodwill" by sending my unrepaired handset back free of charge (otherwise 11.75GBP).
I don't really care if they repair or replace, I just want my X1 back in a working condition. What can I do to make that happen? Any hints or tips I can take on board before I respond?
P.S: I’m having to use a Nokia 2330 until this is resolved!
Regards,
- DiLLio
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first of all: I'm sorry to hear that your xperia x1 is not working properly anymore. All I can say is that its gonna be a tough fight since...
DiLLio said:
Yeah I've dropped the phone a few times but no more than most and it's usually in a sleeve when it does fall
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what else is there to say? Reading your post in my eyes you could have caused the damage and here it really is goodwill you have to count on. And obviously it's too expensive for them to repair under warranty...so they will do everything to blame the damage on you...In my opinion you could only ask what they want for the reparation.
Good Luck!
Uhm, dude, you dropped the phone... That's pretty much there is to it. Dropping a phone, will break it over time. Stop being clumbsy, in the year and a half, I've dropped my X1 once, and that was bc it fell out of my coat pocket - luckily it was in a leather pouch.
Your only option is really to try and convince SE that the resin cracks are stress cracks from normal wear and tear, but that's going to be pretty much impossible to do if you told them you dropped it, or if your casing is all messed up from drop marks.
Thanks for the replies. I stand by the fact that it wasnt because of its time with the floor.
After receiving my phone back from K+N, I've had an engineer open it so that I can see and snap some pictures of the main board and satisty myself that it is infact what they say.
And would you believe it, not a mark on the main board. Nothing.
Gave a SE a call again and argued my point. Apparantly I won't be able to photograph these cracks. Why? Because they aren't visible to cameras. Haha! Okay, so what are they visbile to?!
"Resin which portects the components" would be the top coating/layer and, atleast, indeed be visible to the naked eye. They used a clear resin to coat the main board which would explain why a WORKING main board would show no signs; however, a stressed clear resin would turn opaque and they claim cracks in the resin would definately be visible. We saw nothing!
I've attached the photos and I'd love some insight into what we've missed.
Well now you've definatley voided your warranty if you took it apart...
They wouldnt try and fake anything - i've sent my Xpera to K and N about 3 times now and every time they've got it back to me within a week - First time was cracks - second was keyboard and third was camera. I'm sure these people know what they are talking about - all you can do now is make do.
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Well now you've definatley voided your warranty if you took it apart...
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I had my local phone repair shop do it for me, cost me 10GBP just for that!
comeradealexi said:
They wouldnt try and fake anything
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I agree, that would be highly illegal and immoral, but I dont believe that every one of their engineers is adequately capable of fault finding correctly. In my case, I got one who cant tell left from right. Can you see these cracks that they claim, or anything off on the main board for that matter?
I have exactly the same problem. Only difference is mine has never been dropped. The woman in the call centre said she would escalate it. Let's wait and see.
Well they clearly hadn't even bothered to open mine up so I hope they do that for you. If your casing is showing signs of cracking, theres a lengthy thread on here complaining about the build quality of the outer case.
The original issue I was having disappeared after I had the unit independently inspected so I solved the problem without SE Nice to know that they actually check the devices before they make their decisions though(!)
If you're having the same issue, I can only assume some sort of undue pressure is being put on a connection/component and causing the distortion on the screen. Else, it really is a more costly fault!
For cases like this I have a legal insurance (lawyers, expert's testimonies...). Not that I actually had to resort to it, but in case I'd have to... heh. But newer admit you had dropped your phone, no, no, you always kept it in a secured leather box barely using it at all
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Well they clearly hadn't even bothered to open mine up so I hope they do that for you. If your casing is showing signs of cracking, theres a lengthy thread on here complaining about the build quality of the outer case.
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This is a different issue. It's not the case thats cracked it the resin thats cracked.
Nobody got any advice?
Hi i have just had a letter back from K & N saying my Sony W995 was not repairable under manufacturers warrenty, due to the engineer finding cracks in the resin. Is this a standard excuse as i have never dropped my phone and the reason for returning it to Sony was the Number 3 on the keypad was not working.
I have spoken to a girl on the phone and she says she will escilated the problem and has gave me a reference number lets see what happens.
As I expected i got a letter back from sony saying they stand by their decision that the warrenty did not cover the repair of my phone as crack were found in the resin and as a gesture of goodwill they would return my phone unrepaired free of charge.
I took my shattered glass HD2 in to replace the glass today at a local store. I was quoted $100 for the glass replacement. I thought, "hey excellent price. I'd rather pay a bill than ruin my phone by doing it myself." (I have fixed all my prior lcds on my phones just FYI) Needless to say about 5 hours later they tell me that due to the damaged state of the phone the lcd was affected as well from the jarring it took when it was shattered. Apparently there were was one large tear of the anti-glare coat on the top left hand side and two other areas where it was lifted as well.
I tried calling them out by saying the technician did not take the required precautions to avoid tearing the anti-glare coat on the lcd when separating the digitizer and lcd.
Unfortunately, I had the option of continuing as is or ordering an lcd screen from them for another $100. The owner who seemed pretty nice said he would try and see if he could get the price on the replacement lcd lowered. Personally, I believe I should not have to pay for the lcd since it was NOT damaged when I took it in.
I probably don't have any recourse though since they say it's a risk associated with this phone. I should have just bought the combo together and done it myself. That's what I get for trying to save a few dollars.
Would you gentlemen have any suggestions?
theres not really much you can do unless you just want to live with it. i was going to suggest getting a warranty replacement but realized it voids warranty when taken apart. if you want things done right DIY cant really rely on shops to do anything anymore..
That sucks. I'd want to be damn sure they are replacing the screen with a genuine article too.
Unfortunately you can't really prove that the membrane wasn't damaged prior to them touching the phone so it will be hard to get out of this one without forking out extra, however I suppose you could always politely threaten them with legal action and a public flaming on a busy internet forum if they don't want to play nice.
It's worked for me i nthe past when i've had issues with car servicing.
Warranty?
k20a1 said:
theres not really much you can do unless you just want to live with it. i was going to suggest getting a warranty replacement but realized it voids warranty when taken apart. if you want things done right DIY cant really rely on shops to do anything anymore..
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No warranty for physical damage to unit. Insurance would have covered it, if insurance was purchased? I did..
This phone is not truly waterproof/resistant!!!!!
First off I want to start this off buy saying a few things. I work for AT&T so before anyone says its from improper usage remember I had to watch training videos on how to properly use it. Also, before anyone says well, you aren't really supposed to be using it in the water, you are wrong. The first thing we are trained on is how to properly close the back cover and how to show the customers Aqua mode to take pictures underwater. We actively use this as a main selling point, this is per Samsung.
Here is my story. I bought the Active on Thursday. The first thing I did with it was ensure the back was closed and made a video in my fish tank so I could show customers how it works underwater, and how good aqua mode is. That worked out perfectly except the video was a little dark, so I figured I would retake it.
In this time I had a customer swap out the phone they bought because it were defective, the bottom buttons stopped working on it. She was very vague when the water question came up but I thought nothing of it.
Now cue today. It was sunny outside so I thought it was the perfect time to reshoot the fish tank video. I ensured the back was secure, yes, including pressing down on the back where the AT&T logo is. I then submerged the phone in the tank while taking the video. Almost instantly the phone screen went black and said dock mode was enabled so I took the phone out of the water and everything went back to normal. I double checked the USB rubber to be sure. I just chalked it up to the phone doing crazy things in the water. I have read almost everywhere that the phone will say headphones are plugged in, etc. So I thought this was normal. I then put it back in and took a minute long video. Everything was fine. I even played back the video and it was fully working.
This is where everything went wrong. About 2 minutes later the phone started tweaking out, Google now opened on its own and the buttons were really sensitive. Then the buttons completely stopped working other than the power button and that's when I freaked out. I opened the battery cover and there it was, everything was soaked. but luckily none of the water damage indicators were colored. I then opened the USB door and it was like a fountain, so that's where the breach happened. The flimsy, rubber USB door. I did not tell a soul what happened and went back to work and swapped it for a regular Galaxy S4.
So please listen to my warning. There are way too many people getting this phone damaged, including me, a fully trained AT&T employee who took the proper precautions before doing anything.
Samsung should not be able to get away with calling this phone water resistant or water proof, and they should especially not include an Aqua Camera mode.
Also the warranty DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT COVER WATER!!!!
I think it depends really, i understand where you are coming from, and you shouldnt trust it, but my friend was pushed in the pool with his and it survived without a issue
I've kept mine in my pocket and went for a swim in the pool. Worked fine after wiping it with a towel. You might have had a defective unit...
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As an AT&T employee maybe you'll know the procedure for this..
I've read all the horror stories relating to the S4A, and there's been a few of them.. Is the fact that the device seems to fail often enough of a reason to exchange for a regular S4? I'm not within my 14 days anymore :/.I opted for this over S4 just because of the water resistance.
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I think it depends really, i understand where you are coming from, and you shouldnt trust it, but my friend was pushed in the pool with his and it survived without a issue
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And I understand that I may have a defective unit, but I have read 3 separate reviews where the reviewer damaged their first phone. There is also a thread on XDA where a bunch of people state that they damaged their phone. This in itself either says that the phone doesn't work as advertised or there are way too many defective units out there for anyone to be safe to try the water and Samsung needs to know this.
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And I understand that I may have a defective unit, but I have read 3 separate reviews where the reviewer damaged their first phone. There is also a thread on XDA where a bunch of people state that they damaged their phone. This in itself either says that the phone doesn't work as advertised or there are way too many defective units out there for anyone to be safe to try the water and Samsung needs to know this.
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Maybe its the other way around and my friend got a defective one thats actually waterproof
now i fell terribly sorry for who went with those ugly buttons instead of S4
Blackwolf10 said:
now i fell terribly sorry for who went with those ugly buttons instead of S4
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Eh... I like the buttons...
The bottom line is that Samsung doesn't warranty the phone against water damage and therefor should Never sell it as such. If they can not stand behind an advertised function of their own product, they should not sell it. It doesn't matter if people abuse the phone in water or exceed the recommended specs (depth and length of time in water) because there is no way they can differentiate between people that stay within the specs and those that don't.
All I gotta say is the best way to get away with saying it is water resistance/proof would be making it like the Nexus 4 and no removable back. Make it wireless charging. Come with a wireless charger. Sd card slot and sim slot on the top or sides. Make it completely blocked off with no ports but a headphone hack the way they did making it water proof. That's the only way they can be certain its water resistant. Otherwise you have these issues.
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Yeah, I have a feeling all of these water-related failures are going to kill the S4A early. Eventually, the threat of a class action lawsuit will cause them to trigger an EOL.
I suspect this will happen sooner rather than later, since showing it dunked in water in all the commercials, but not covering water damage is just screaming "class action."
My crystal ball says that within a year, you'll see AT&T (at least) offering to waive ETF for owners of S4A units damaged by water. This may be under the terms of a Class Action, or to avoid one... but in the end, that will probably be the end of the S4A story.
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This phone is not truly waterproof/resistant!!!!!
First off I want to start this off buy saying a few things. I work for AT&T so before anyone says its from improper usage remember I had to watch training videos on how to properly use it. Also, before anyone says well, you aren't really supposed to be using it in the water, you are wrong. The first thing we are trained on is how to properly close the back cover and how to show the customers Aqua mode to take pictures underwater. We actively use this as a main selling point, this is per Samsung.
Here is my story. I bought the Active on Thursday. The first thing I did with it was ensure the back was closed and made a video in my fish tank so I could show customers how it works underwater, and how good aqua mode is. That worked out perfectly except the video was a little dark, so I figured I would retake it.
In this time I had a customer swap out the phone they bought because it were defective, the bottom buttons stopped working on it. She was very vague when the water question came up but I thought nothing of it.
Now cue today. It was sunny outside so I thought it was the perfect time to reshoot the fish tank video. I ensured the back was secure, yes, including pressing down on the back where the AT&T logo is. I then submerged the phone in the tank while taking the video. Almost instantly the phone screen went black and said dock mode was enabled so I took the phone out of the water and everything went back to normal. I double checked the USB rubber to be sure. I just chalked it up to the phone doing crazy things in the water. I have read almost everywhere that the phone will say headphones are plugged in, etc. So I thought this was normal. I then put it back in and took a minute long video. Everything was fine. I even played back the video and it was fully working.
This is where everything went wrong. About 2 minutes later the phone started tweaking out, Google now opened on its own and the buttons were really sensitive. Then the buttons completely stopped working other than the power button and that's when I freaked out. I opened the battery cover and there it was, everything was soaked. but luckily none of the water damage indicators were colored. I then opened the USB door and it was like a fountain, so that's where the breach happened. The flimsy, rubber USB door. I did not tell a soul what happened and went back to work and swapped it for a regular Galaxy S4.
So please listen to my warning. There are way too many people getting this phone damaged, including me, a fully trained AT&T employee who took the proper precautions before doing anything.
Samsung should not be able to get away with calling this phone water resistant or water proof, and they should especially not include an Aqua Camera mode.
Also the warranty DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT COVER WATER!!!!
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A simple solution to find out if your phone is waterproof... Turn the phone off and remove the battery, then close everything and put it in water for a few minutes. Take the phone out of the water and check to see if water got in the charging port and/or past the seal on the back. If it did get water in the device put your phone in rice for a day and return it for a working unit. If you didn't you should be fine.
If no power is going to your device it cannot short circuit. After the water is gone you can turn it on with no issues
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Yeah, I have a feeling all of these water-related failures are going to kill the S4A early. Eventually, the threat of a class action lawsuit will cause them to trigger an EOL.
I suspect this will happen sooner rather than later, since showing it dunked in water in all the commercials, but not covering water damage is just screaming "class action."
My crystal ball says that within a year, you'll see AT&T (at least) offering to waive ETF for owners of S4A units damaged by water. This may be under the terms of a Class Action, or to avoid one... but in the end, that will probably be the end of the S4A story.
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Or maybe a recall?
Blackwolf10 said:
now i fell terribly sorry for who went with those ugly buttons instead of S4
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as an owner of Galaxy S2, S3, Nexus and HTC One i have to say then Samsung products are inferior to any other manufacture,
HTC is NOT as important manufacture as Samsung but their devices are way better that Samsungs
as for water proofing Galaxy S4 Active was a clear copy of Xperia Z, since Samsung could NOT make every GS4 waterproof like SONY they made another phone and judging by experience SONY clearly made the better waterproofing,
i was in the swimming pool that day and there was Xperia Z's on the bottom of the pool (~1 to 2 meters) with NO damage,
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joshuadjohnson22 said:
A simple solution to find out if your phone is waterproof... Turn the phone off and remove the battery, then close everything and put it in water for a few minutes. Take the phone out of the water and check to see if water got in the charging port and/or past the seal on the back. If it did get water in the device put your phone in rice for a day and return it for a working unit. If you didn't you should be fine.
If no power is going to your device it cannot short circuit. After the water is gone you can turn it on with no issues
Or maybe a recall?
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"If no power is going to your device it cannot short circuit"
every phone has a small battery on its PCB to keep time and date if your battery drained or removed.
so a short circuit is a possibility.
Muhammad.Muayad said:
as an owner of Galaxy S2, S3, Nexus and HTC One i have to say then Samsung products are inferior to any other manufacture,
HTC is NOT as important manufacture as Samsung but their devices are way better that Samsungs
as for water proofing Galaxy S4 Active was a clear copy of Xperia Z, since Samsung could NOT make every GS4 waterproof like SONY they made another phone and judging by experience SONY clearly made the better waterproofing,
i was in the swimming pool that day and there was Xperia Z's on the bottom of the pool (~1 to 2 meters) with NO damage,
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"If no power is going to your device it cannot short circuit"
every phone has a small battery on its PCB to keep time and date if your battery drained or removed.
so a short circuit is a possibility.
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hmmm ok, never heard of that
Either way when I tried the method I posted no water got in. Still don't think I will put it in water while it is turned on
My first shot in water:
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(from kayak, i did keep phone in hand and lower it about 10cm deep in water)
After that pic, noticed water in display, rear camera, front camera, some buttons did not work, etc etc nice.
Rear cam:
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Front cam:
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Display:
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And yes, usb cover was sealed and also battery cover.
I went to local service point in last week, today they called to pick my device up:
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Battery is old, everything else is new.
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My first shot in water:
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(from kayak, i did keep phone in hand and lower it about 10cm deep in water)
After that pic, noticed water in display, rear camera, front camera, some buttons did not work, etc etc nice.
Rear cam:
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Front cam:
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Display:
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And yes, usb cover was sealed and also battery cover.
I went to local service point in last week, today they called to pick my device up:
lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w-LRCCJJHYM/UfZhBjNfcFI/AAAAAAAA1Dk/W70ZmxcePhA/s512/IMG_20130729_153151.jpg
Battery is old, everything else is new.
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I'm guessing this was not AT&T? The sticker on the screen is different
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I'm guessing this was not AT&T? The sticker on the screen is different
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Yep, no AT&T.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
Or maybe a recall?
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Remember, most people with this phone have entered into a 2-year contract. Simply recalling the phone wouldn't work. They'd either have to replace it with an equivalent model or waive the ETF. The problem with the former is that they've advertised the heck out of its water resistance, selling it as "everything proof." If they were to, say, replace it with a standard S4, the consumer would have a very real argument that it's not an equivalent model, which would be ANOTHER basis for a class action.
Also, remember, recalls are done by a manufacturer. AT&T isn't going to recall a Samsung device. Samsung would have to do that. A recall would only really work if Samsung offered another phone (like an S4), AND made a deal with AT&T, compensating them to waive the ETF if the consumer didn't want that phone. This may happen, but before it does, the remaining stock would be pulled from the shelves, and the phone would be EOL.
Again, I think that marketing this phone as waterproof, but not standing behind that marketing, is eventually going to lead to a class action. A class action, or the threat of one, will result in an early death for this device. I agree with what was said before though... I don't think we'll be seeing many more phones claiming water resistance. Those that do, will be sealed, and certainly won't have removable backs.
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Remember, most people with this phone have entered into a 2-year contract. Simply recalling the phone wouldn't work. They'd either have to replace it with an equivalent model or waive the ETF. The problem with the former is that they've advertised the heck out of its water resistance, selling it as "everything proof." If they were to, say, replace it with a standard S4, the consumer would have a very real argument that it's not an equivalent model, which would be ANOTHER basis for a class action.
Also, remember, recalls are done by a manufacturer. AT&T isn't going to recall a Samsung device. Samsung would have to do that. A recall would only really work if Samsung offered another phone (like an S4), AND made a deal with AT&T, compensating them to waive the ETF if the consumer didn't want that phone. This may happen, but before it does, the remaining stock would be pulled from the shelves, and the phone would be EOL.
Again, I think that marketing this phone as waterproof, but not standing behind that marketing, is eventually going to lead to a class action. A class action, or the threat of one, will result in an early death for this device. I agree with what was said before though... I don't think we'll be seeing many more phones claiming water resistance. Those that do, will be sealed, and certainly won't have removable backs.
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Yeah... saying a phone is "everything proof" and water proof is pretty stupid.. Honestly I think AT&T and Samsung could fix this in my mind just by warranty replacing water damaged S4 Actives. If they replace them in the event of water damage then we all will be happy. It doesn't happen to every unit, most users are fine in the water, but still a high percentage.
I for one love my active and the water proof was just a bonus, but I wouldn't mind them giving me my upgrade back
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Yeah... saying a phone is "everything proof" and water proof is pretty stupid.. Honestly I think AT&T and Samsung could fix this in my mind just by warranty replacing water damaged S4 Actives. If they replace them in the event of water damage then we all will be happy. It doesn't happen to every unit, most users are fine in the water, but still a high percentage.
I for one love my active and the water proof was just a bonus, but I wouldn't mind them giving me my upgrade back
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"water-resistant.” As Samsung points out in the device’s manual, the S4 Active is rated IP67, which means that it’s resistant to water only up to depths of a little over three feet , its not water proof .
So today as I was whatsapping and after sending my messaging I turned the screen off to place my note 4 on the table. As I did so while the phone was still in my hand I noticed a crack/ scratch form itself.
Naturally I took it back to Samsung whom refused to take it back saying it was my fault. In the UK we have a sales of goods act in which the dealer must prove that there is no inherent fault if the product is faulty within 6 months. They just outright refused me.
I will give the head office a call tomorrow and if that gets me nowhere I'll take it to a small claims court.
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So today as I was whatsapping and after sending my messaging I turned the screen off to place my note 4 on the table. As I did so while the phone was still in my hand I noticed a crack/ scratch form itself.
Naturally I took it back to Samsung whom refused to take it back saying it was my fault. In the UK we have a sales of goods act in which the dealer must prove that there is no inherent fault if the product is faulty within 6 months. They just outright refused me.
I will give the head office a call tomorrow and if that gets me nowhere I'll take it to a small claims court.
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Ouch. I am not in the UK but I am interested to see how this all turns out
Thanks, the worst part is that I actually watched as the scratch formed itself and grew bigger.
My hypothesis is that it may have been caused by heating and cooling of the phone.
My Note 4 did get pretty warm one time at which point it throttled itself. Hope someone at Samsung actually
knows how the UK law operates and sorts this out.
That seems like a crack, do you have a gap to the near edge there ? Im pretty sure the tiny gaps the phone has are to prevent exactly this type of cracking the screen against the metal edge due to heat cycles
Update: There are now three scratch/cracks which are parallel. I am beyond upset with Samsung and their unwillingness to sort this issue out.
I hope this doesn't happen to me x_x I doubt anyone would believe me if I told them that at best buy or something
Holy sh*t dude.
Let me know how this goes tomorrow. That is NOT cool.
That's not looking good at all, you should repost your story and photos on Samsung's Facebookpage and Google Plus page for everyone to see and hope that they will reply to you there. It might be a way to get around the denied reply you got from techsupport.
/ Magnus
You obviously have a faulty unit. Raise hell and don't give up until they replace it.
Another "phone crack by itself" thread? Those usually don't fly too well here and usually amounts to, the OP just talking a lot of hot air I'm just eating the cost of repair if he doesn't have insurance.
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Another "phone crack by itself" thread? Those usually don't fly too well here and usually amounts to, the OP just talking a lot of hot air I'm just eating the cost of repair if he doesn't have insurance.
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Cool story bro. You wouldn't believe it until it happens to you. At the end of the day, if I were to scratch or crack my phone, I wouldn't give a **** and just replace the screen myself.
But in this case, I am disappointed with a phone I purchased less than 2 weeks ago. I'd expect it to be defect free for £630 and if it does have a defect Samsung should have taken it back.
I've never owned an Apple phone before, but I have purchased headphones from the apple store before which when it went faulty after 11 months they swiftly refunded it according to the 'sales of goods act' which the manager lady there said so herself. The lads at Samsung need a sales law seminar.
I see little leprechauns in my garden at night and no one believes me.
My Note 2 has a crack that runs diagonally from the upper left to the lower right. One single continuous crack that mysteriously showed up out of the blue. No spider webbing or whatever. I did NOT drop my phone. I did not witness the crack appear, as the OP, but did notice it shortly after I had been for a walk out in the heat. I have always been convinced that it was a fault in the glass to make it crack in this way. Phone still works fine and I never pursued the issue with Samsung (I had owned the phone approximately 7 months when said crack occurred.) I work at a college and have seen a huge amount of cracked screens...all spiderwebbed and nasty...mine is just the one diagonal edge to edge anomaly. So yeah, I believe it could happen. Good luck getting Samsung or the carrier to do anything about it though. I do wish you well on your endeavor.
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So today as I was whatsapping and after sending my messaging I turned the screen off to place my note 4 on the table. As I did so while the phone was still in my hand I noticed a crack/ scratch form itself.
Naturally I took it back to Samsung whom refused to take it back saying it was my fault. In the UK we have a sales of goods act in which the dealer must prove that there is no inherent fault if the product is faulty within 6 months. They just outright refused me.
I will give the head office a call tomorrow and if that gets me nowhere I'll take it to a small claims court.
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If you have the option, just try a different location to do the exchange. That doesn't look like a typical crack.
Happened to my s4, the thread is still going I think. It cracked like that in my pocket. I think it was from heat of my thigh and the cool air or something. Samsung told me I must have dropped it for that to happen. And in the end I sold it on eBay for spares and got like £200 for it.... Best of luck.
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Happened to my s4, the thread is still going I think. It cracked like that in my pocket. I think it was from heat of my thigh and the cool air or something. Samsung told me I must have dropped it for that to happen. And in the end I sold it on eBay for spares and got like £200for it.... Best of luck.
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I hope extreme cold to warm won't make that happen.. It's about to be that freezing time of the year x_x
Could you update the OP with the additional cracks?
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That got me scared because I have a scratch in a similar place - not reaching the border and much smaller though. I hope it's just a scratch..
Samsung really became Samsuck lately.....
I'll never go back to Samsung again after I replace my S-2. The best smartphone made by Samsung ever. All the rest is a pure miss by them.
To OP and fellas with cracked screens....good luck on your way and a pro tip......Don't buy Samsung anymore...they just need money....your money....that is all their aim is....purchase another device which is "better"....sadly...
my 0.02€