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Okay, new to this. Started up a gear yesterday and I'm impressed. Now I want to go further... (already bored lol). Any links to docs on how to develop for this thing. I already know that this it is standard Android and that one can write standalone apps the usual way for this thing. What I'm interested in is how the communication model works with companion apps on the phone. I suspect it will be done by running services on the phone, but how can one interact with those services via a Bluetooth connection. Or is it event driven?
I'm really surprised that Samsung hasn't publiced anything about this on their site? What? Don't they like developers to jump on the bandwagon?
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appelflap said:
Okay, new to this. Started up a gear yesterday and I'm impressed. Now I want to go further... (already bored lol). Any links to docs on how to develop for this thing. I already know that this it is standard Android and that one can write standalone apps the usual way for this thing. What I'm interested in is how the communication model works with companion apps on the phone. I suspect it will be done by running services on the phone, but how can one interact with those services via a Bluetooth connection. Or is it event driven?
I'm really surprised that Samsung hasn't publiced anything about this on their site? What? Don't they like developers to jump on the bandwagon?
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I don't believe the SDK has been released yet, welcome to the gear community nether the less.
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I don't believe the SDK has been released yet, welcome to the gear community nether the less.
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So you think they work with special APIs? Or just the standard APIs? I saw there were already some interesting apps on the Samsung market like for example Zine. It has a controller architecture. On the Gear side you get headlines pushed and by tapping on a headline the Zine app is opened with the corresponding article. Can this can be done with standard Android APIs or do we need a special APIs for that. I can imagine that this can be done with the standard event model.
@lucf I did, couldn't find anything interesting wrt this topic. If you stumble upon some good posts let me know! Thx
Appears that Samsung kept it 'invite-only' for now:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609639-94/this-is-why-there-arent-more-samsung-galaxy-gear-apps/
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Appears that Samsung kept it 'invite-only' for now:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609639-94/this-is-why-there-arent-more-samsung-galaxy-gear-apps/
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Crap, so it does work with proprietary APIs? Right, might return this thing and wait till it is open for development, cheaper and will have more apps. They should have written that on the box. With their crap apps.
appelflap said:
Crap, so it does work with proprietary APIs? Right, might return this thing and wait till it is open for development, cheaper and will have more apps. They should have written that on the box. With their crap apps.
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"We need to make sure we're ready to go big."
Thats a quote from the article, they will be released. Although not just yet..
they never said they will release the sdk to the public, did they? so please stop making false claims.
samsung might as well decide that they are not ready to go big with this generation (lack of wifi, poor software etc). what then?
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they never said they will release the sdk to the public, did they? so please stop making false claims.
samsung might as well decide that they are not ready to go big with this generation (lack of wifi, poor software etc). what then?
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It's definitely a remarkable manoeuvre. Another remarkable thing is that everything is kept in the Samsung app store. It's not a secret that Samsung has big ambitions. Maybe they are trying to build their own ecosystem in the Android ecosystem. Maybe they gonna lock the APIs in some kind of Samsung Appstore service. Meh .. let's hope Google comes up with a watch soon and an addition to the Android framework for smart watches.
I recently tried to release an app to the Samsung store specifically for the gear but it was rejected for "other" reasons...
Seems like the public are just unknowing beta testers of a half-arsed device by Samsung.
n13astra said:
I recently tried to release an app to the Samsung store specifically for the gear but it was rejected for "other" reasons...
Seems like the public are just unknowing beta testers of a half-arsed device by Samsung.
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Really? What did you try to submit? A simple standalone app that only runs on the gear?
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Really? What did you try to submit? A simple standalone app that only runs on the gear?
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Tried to release my Calculator app that only runs on the Gear. I've since emailed back asking what "other" reasons they are talking about.
Just speculation on my part --
I have a feeling that Samsung is simply testing waters with this initial release of Gear. They are very serious about it, but they also know that it's not entirely polished product. They wanted to be first to market.
I think the 2rev of Gear might have some radical changes. They could probably build it on top of Kitkat (optimized for low memory devices?) and some new low energy communication protocols. Probably they will then open the APIs for all devs. Maybe we will also see some of the curved screen goodness!
But it's for sure they will never make the Gear compatible with all Android by default -- doesn't make a good business sense. Google will obviously try to make their smartwatch compatible with all Android, and that makes perfect business sense for google.
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Tried to release my Calculator app that only runs on the Gear. I've since emailed back asking what "other" reasons they are talking about.
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are you the guy who made it? nice. i sideloaded it into my Gear. works flawlessly, althought I would like to see some colored theme like numbers in one color, functions in other. 5 stars from me! super lite too!
Thanks...The coloured buttons are on the way...
I discover recently a limitation with android users account on tablets.
Only the propietary account is able to access sd card or usb, not the secondary accounts.
Is there a way to hack this limitation?
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[ROM] CROMi-X TF701T
Google Nexus 4
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guerito73 said:
I discover recently a limitation with android users account on tablets.
Only the propietary account is able to access sd card or usb, not the secondary accounts.
Is there a way to hack this limitation?
ASUS Transformer TF701T
[ROM] CROMi-X TF701T
Google Nexus 4
CM 10.2.1
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Not that I am aware of no. Google have forced it this way by design, I assume as a security feature.
sbdags said:
Not that I am aware of no. Google have forced it this way by design, I assume as a security feature.
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It is of what I was afraid, thank you for the confirmation.
Big restriction for muti user....
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Not that I am aware of no. Google have forced it this way by design, I assume as a security feature.
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It is of what I was afraid, thank you for the confirmation.
Big restriction for muti user....
July 2022, LOS 18.1/ Android 11. Any hack for this BS in the meantime? (let me admit: with each day on, I hate Android more and more. We at least deserve choices, rather than be dictated more and more by effin' Google ... (( )
Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
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Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
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So have you tried rooting the Amazon Fire tablet with other rooting apps? I am not sure that it is ADB's problem, but it is worth a try.
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Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
dro3m said:
Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
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Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
Davey126 said:
Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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dro3m said:
I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
Davey126 said:
Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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Hm, well I do here that theuare going to update their tablets to Android 7.1. That could leave some doors open.
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Davey126 said:
Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
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Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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dro3m said:
Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue from the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
Davey126 said:
None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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DragonFire1024 said:
It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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What kind of restrictions?
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Davey126 said:
None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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Come on! I just a middle school nerd. I don't have no job, although, I want to get so I can get a Asus Zenfone 5z
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What kind of restrictions?
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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You have any guide of how to do that?
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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The setting was blocked. The support is there, but wasn't available to toggle. If there is a drain, it's very little. Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing. I'll post findings later. I had a minor setback
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The lack of space
Davey126 said:
Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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I'm convinced there's a way and i think we're closer than we were 2 weeks ago at unlocking these things. I've noticed a few things here and there. I remember one thing you said to me way back when...about replacing the ecosystem piece by piece. Almost all I've done with the framework and settings and various other things, it seems Amazon just pushed Android out of the way, rather than create their own "os". I'm simply undoing their pushings and replacing it with the Android code, which by the way, in most cases, they don't delete. If they did that with the system, it's possible they did that in the other partitions. Unfortunately, I haven't even glanced at most of the other partitions. Mostly because it's a whole nother level.
I own a 5th generation fire tablet. If specs are required I'll be happy to share them. I got this tablet on a crazy deal for $10.00 USD. I bought it for ****s and giggles and to tinker with it. I recently charged it up again trying to find a use for it but all the app in the Amazon store are total **** and I dont play any of them further more. Its littered with adds to buy stuff. I been using it literally as a paper weight for a book I have been reading. I am knowledgeable in rooting and moding by tinkering with my older phones. I want to know how if at all, is it possible to just get rid of Fire OS for some version of linux. Please help me if you know how thank you.
Linux? No, I don't believe there are versions of Linux you can install on the Fire.
If your device hasn't upgraded to a version of the OS newer than FireOS 5.3.1 (I believe it is), you can root it and then follow one of the guides here to install LineageOS or the NexusRom for a more stock Android experience.
If you can't root and flash a custom rom, you can still follow the guides here to install the Google Play store at the very least to get a much wider array of apps you can install. You can also follow the debloat guides to disable and replace a lot of the Amazon apps and launcher, to get a better android tablet experience.
But linux, no. Not that I am aware of.
Rbohannon89 said:
I own a 5th generation fire tablet. If specs are required I'll be happy to share them. I got this tablet on a crazy deal for $10.00 USD. I bought it for ****s and giggles and to tinker with it. I recently charged it up again trying to find a use for it but all the app in the Amazon store are total **** and I dont play any of them further more. Its littered with adds to buy stuff. I been using it literally as a paper weight for a book I have been reading. I am knowledgeable in rooting and moding by tinkering with my older phones. I want to know how if at all, is it possible to just get rid of Fire OS for some version of linux. Please help me if you know how thank you.
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Nope. Bootloader is locked with no ability to boot or install a custom recovery. Highly unlikely your device can be rooted or downgraded/debloated. You are pretty much 'stuck' with a captive portal to Amazon's ecosystem. However, you can install the Google Play Store and related services for access to additional apps w/o sideloading. Keep in mind the modest hardware specs; this device is designed for content consumption and light entertainment vs any kind of hard core gaming. Not to mention buying stuff from Amazon.
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Nope. Bootloader is locked with no ability to boot or install a custom recovery. Highly unlikely your device can be rooted or downgraded/debloated. You are pretty much 'stuck' with a captive portal to Amazon's ecosystem. However, you can install the Google Play Store and related services for access to additional apps w/o sideloading. Keep in mind the modest hardware specs; this device is designed for content consumption and light entertainment vs any kind of hard core gaming. Not to mention buying stuff from Amazon.
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Thank you for your response. I unfortunately had a feeling this is the exact case. I have found a thread with apk file to get google play on my fire tablet. So that is a thing I suppose. Sucks Amazon made it so that people aren't allowed accessed to do what they want to a device they purchases regardless intent. Wish I know how to code and what not to try to crack it .
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Thank you for your response. I unfortunately had a feeling this is the exact case. I have found a thread with apk file to get google play on my fire tablet. So that is a thing I suppose. Sucks Amazon made it so that people aren't allowed accessed to do what they want to a device they purchases regardless intent. Wish I know how to code and what not to try to crack it .
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While I understand the frustration and disappointment it's important to recognize Amazon does not market the device as a generic Android tablet. It is effectively a content consumption portal locked into Amazon's restrictive ecosystem. If marketed for other purposes (and customizable as you wish) it would certainly carry a higher price point. I have often thought Amazon should change the form factor so Fire tablets are not confused with their more general purpose counterparts. It may look like a duck and (sometimes) quack like a duck but it is definitely a turkey if you were expecting a duck.
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While I understand the frustration and disappointment it's important to recognize Amazon does not market the device as a generic Android tablet. It is effectively a content consumption portal locked into Amazon's restrictive ecosystem. If marketed for other purposes (and customizable as you wish) it would certainly carry a higher price point. I have often thought Amazon should change the form factor so Fire tablets are not confused with their more general purpose counterparts. It may look like a duck and (sometimes) quack like a duck but it is definitely a turkey if you were expecting a duck.
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Well said about all I got. I agree they should market differently.
Hi all,
I have been a Samsung Note User from day one (and Note1). To keep apps in check, I always used xposed plus xprivacy or LBE. Today, I am totally aware my Note4 is totally outdated but I really got used to being able to deny data and (maybe more importantly) network access to any app at will.
I have been keeping to use my old phone because whenever I looked for viable app-fencing solutions on the current android versions, everything seemed very volatile and unstable. Recently my company gave me a Note8 and although I am not a big friend of the modern "glass brick" design trend at all, it is hard to ignore the advances in terms of hardware power and that my trusty old Note begins to be unable to execute certain new apps.
I presume most of you are using current Android versions. So I'd like to ask you which solutions are you using to prevent unwanted data and privacy drain on your devices. I my dreams I would continue to be able to willingly decide whether any app may be allowed to use either Wifi or mobile networks (bonus prize: depending on if the app is in foreground or not), be able to suppress advertising extensions in apps and deny access to privacy-related data like position, unique IDs and contact database.
Which solutions would I use to achieve as many of these goals as possible on Android 7 or even 8? Maybe even some without rooting?
Thank you very much for you suggestions and input..
Much of that is backed right into nougat and Oreo. Many permissions can be denied (depending on the app developers). Root on the newer samsungs seems to be problematic.
Bitmixer said:
Hi all,
I have been a Samsung Note User from day one (and Note1). To keep apps in check, I always used xposed plus xprivacy or LBE. Today, I am totally aware my Note4 is totally outdated but I really got used to being able to deny data and (maybe more importantly) network access to any app at will.
I have been keeping to use my old phone because whenever I looked for viable app-fencing solutions on the current android versions, everything seemed very volatile and unstable. Recently my company gave me a Note8 and although I am not a big friend of the modern "glass brick" design trend at all, it is hard to ignore the advances in terms of hardware power and that my trusty old Note begins to be unable to execute certain new apps.
I presume most of you are using current Android versions. So I'd like to ask you which solutions are you using to prevent unwanted data and privacy drain on your devices. I my dreams I would continue to be able to willingly decide whether any app may be allowed to use either Wifi or mobile networks (bonus prize: depending on if the app is in foreground or not), be able to suppress advertising extensions in apps and deny access to privacy-related data like position, unique IDs and contact database.
Which solutions would I use to achieve as many of these goals as possible on Android 7 or even 8? Maybe even some without rooting?
Thank you very much for you suggestions and input..
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Hey! We are together in this! I am exactly the same on my Motorola x play! Been using xprivacy and xposed too for ages on all apps, plus a firewall too.
Give a look at f-droid app store and xposed itself, on the download tab. There is the new xprivacy LUA for android 6/7, and it's the successor of the old version. Haven't tested out yet, but seems to be more or less the same, judging by what I read.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xprivacylua6-0-android-privacy-manager-t3730663
Also... Give a look at a good firewall, to block rogue internet access for all the nasty apps out there.
Anything just give me a shout. It's good to know I am not alone! [emoji108][emoji56]
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madbat99 said:
Much of that is backed right into nougat and Oreo. Many permissions can be denied (depending on the app developers). Root on the newer samsungs seems to be problematic.
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Thanks for your reply, madbat.
I have seen the new permission management in oreo. Please understand that to me it is important that not an app developer decides what I can deny but I want to be able to make that decision myself. Moreover, as far as my knowledge goes, android does not allow to deny network access to apps when I deem they shouldn't have any business on my uplink. Most importantly this applies for any Amazon apps and most apps from their store. All of them are trying to phone home every few minutes(!).
Ev0luti0n_ said:
Hey! We are together in this! I am exactly the same on my Motorola x play! Been using xprivacy and xposed too for ages on all apps, plus a firewall too.
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I had hoped I am not alone
Ev0luti0n_ said:
(...) There is the new xprivacy LUA for android 6/7, and it's the successor of the old version. Haven't tested out yet, but seems to be more or less the same, judging by what I read.
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I have read about that one and to me it appears like it is not quite there. Last time I looked, the developer was about to REMOVE protection of several sensitive data points like IMEI. Also, like madcat mentioned, rooting the latest Samsung devices can be problematic and I might get some problems bricking a $1000 company device
Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also... Give a look at a good firewall, to block rogue internet access for all the nasty apps out there.
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Any recommendations here?
kind regards
Oh... I use afwall, which requires root. I did read here on XDA, that there is a good no root firewall here, but I can't remember the name. ..
Also you won't be able to root the device? I am not sure you are going to have much luck... [emoji848]
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Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also you won't be able to root the device? I am not sure you are going to have much luck... [emoji848]
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I guess I am able to root it, just a little reluctant yet Like, waiting for someone to finally discover a rooting method that does not invalidate knox for the note8
Hey guys, I have a question. What firewall were you talking about for KitKat?