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If you have 4.4.2 and brick your device downgrading, can it be recovered?

I was Just curious. I recently used the chinese site to unlock my bootloader, and now running 4.4.2 with no problem. I keep reading that due to the bootloader upgrade in 4.4.2 that any attempt to downgrade will brick the device. For people who are unlocked if they do this downgrade and brick their device are they able to recover their device with any tools like RSD lite? Or is the brick from downgrading a hard brick and their moto x becomes a complete paper weight.

It MAY be recoverable. There is a thread with a method to recover, but its not 100% guaranteed to work.
Buy why are you asking? If you already know you'll brick by trying to downgrade, then why even try it. I swear some people want to brick their phone.

This is why I always keep at least one backup from when I first unlock and root my phones. This way, if something happens I just go back to the first backup.

The Tallest said:
This is why I always keep at least one backup from when I first unlock and root my phones. This way, if something happens I just go back to the first backup.
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You can't restore a backup on a bricked phone. Wish it was that easy.....I'd be real brave with what i flashed if you could.
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kj2112 said:
You can't restore a backup on a bricked phone. Wish it was that easy.....I'd be real brave with what i flashed if you could.
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Goes to show you how often I've bricked phones. I soft bricked my Nexus a few times but was always able to revert to a previous backup. Ways thought it was the same for a hard brick.

The Tallest said:
Goes to show you how often I've bricked phones. I soft bricked my Nexus a few times but was always able to revert to a previous backup. Ways thought it was the same for a hard brick.
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A lot of times, hard brick = phone shopping.
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Not that I've done it......knock on wood.
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kj2112 said:
A lot of times, hard brick = phone shopping.
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Not that I've done it......knock on wood.
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I guess it would. LOL Like I said, I've never experienced a hard brick so I've always been able to revert back. Which is why I didn't know. I try to be careful when flashing things.

As I bought my device(xt1052) there was 4.4.2 preinstalled. then I tried 4.2.2 T-Mobile ROM. And it works very good. Just don't forget to disable Motorola ota.. If I want kitkat rom, then I simply install it with twrp and all good again..
Here my steps;
Unlock bootloader
Flash system.img and boot.img and erase userdata and use 4.4.2 or 4.2.2 rom whatever you want.
I don't understand why people downgrade their bootloaders. I stopped play with bootloader since I bricked 2x HTC magic years ago
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proxuser said:
As I bought my device(xt1052) there was 4.4.2 preinstalled. then I tried 4.2.2 T-Mobile ROM.
Here my steps;
Unlock bootloader
Flash system.img and boot.img and erase userdata and use 4.4.2 or 4.2.2 rom whatever you want.
I don't understand why people downgrade their bootloaders. I stopped play with bootloader since I bricked 2x HTC magic years ago
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I wouldn't take an ota now tho. You may get a yucky surprise.
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kj2112 said:
I wouldn't take an ota now tho. You may get a yucky surprise.
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no he is fine he stated that he is on 4.4.2 but he installed a Rom that was 4.4 so he wont get a OTA. because it reality his phone is still on 4.4.2 just with a 4.4 rom.
if you hard brick your moto x there is a recovery thread and most of the time people have been able to get there devices working again it just takes some time and being able to follow directions very well.
as for people who want 4.2.2 or 4.4 and are on 4.4.2 i would recommend just finding a custom for that is 4.2.2 or 4.4 and installing that. by doing this you dont have to worry about the OTA update issue or even worry about bricking your moto x when trying to downgrade because you will still be on 4.4.2 just with a custom rom for another android version.
all in all good luck every one
here is the thread for recovering a hard bricked phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/tut-resurrecting-bricked-moto-x-corrupt-t2629057

dray_jr said:
no he is fine he stated that he is on 4.4.2 but he installed a Rom that was 4.4 so he wont get a OTA. because it reality his phone is still on 4.4.2 just with a 4.4 rom.
if you hard brick your moto x there is a recovery thread and most of the time people have been able to get there devices working again it just takes some time and being able to follow directions very well.
as for people who want 4.2.2 or 4.4 and are on 4.4.2 i would recommend just finding a custom for that is 4.2.2 or 4.4 and installing that. by doing this you dont have to worry about the OTA update issue or even worry about bricking your moto x when trying to downgrade because you will still be on 4.4.2 just with a custom rom for another android version.
all in all good luck every one
here is the thread for recovering a hard bricked phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/tut-resurrecting-bricked-moto-x-corrupt-t2629057
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He flashed 4.2.2, but he didn't try to downgrade the bootloader (motoboot.img) or flash any of the secure elements (gpt.img).
That's the beauty of manual flashing. Using RSDLite to downgrade = automatic brick since it flashes everything or tries to anyway.

[Q] Error updating firmware

Today i downgraded my moto x to 4.2.2 because i had rooted it and wanted to return it to stock and the ROM for my country wasnt abailable on kit kat, now i tried to upload it again to kit kat and the update sent me to fastboot where i got an error message which said the following
"downgraded security version update gpt_main version failed
Failed to hab check for gpt_backup: 0x35
CId Read Failure
Invalid CID status 0x69
CustomerID error. Contact Dealer: 0xdead
No SP partition found"
Anybody knows what this means? any help is apreciated!
Another thing is that my bootloader shows up like locked which is weird because its actually unlocked

What were you on before you downgraded?
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This sounds like the infamous downgrade brick?

I downgraded with RSD erasing the "gpt" and "motoboot" lines from the default_flash so i could do it, later on i downloaded de 4.4.2 directly from the phone and once it finished downloading it started updating and sent me directly to fastboot showing this error.
the firmware that i downloaded to do the downgrade was this "Blur_Version.139.12.35.ghost_row.Personal.en. AR"
The bootloader is unlocked and showing locked .
unfourtunatly i couldnt find a 4.4 firmware for my carrier so i wasnt able to find a kit kat firmware to flash and see if i could get it running, i tried with another firmware from the region where i live and flashed it but couldnt make it work with RSD nor fastboot.

Yup, been many debates on here about whether its safe to downgrade from 4.4.2 or not.....and I've read enough here now that I simply advise not to. Period. Unless you can afford a replacement easily....in case bad things happen.
Many disagree, but I stand by this advice.
Where are you at currently?? You can beat up or not? Have you tried reflashing 4.4.2? Or what have you tried?
Anyway, before doing anything else...I suggest reading the thread about how to unbrick. I don't know the link off hand....but it may help.
Good luck. ?
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Here it is.......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2629057
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kj2112 said:
Yup, been many debates on here about whether its safe to downgrade from 4.4.2 or not.....and I've read enough here now that I simply advise not to. Period. Unless you can afford a replacement easily....in case bad things happen.
Many disagree, but I stand by this advice.
Where are you at currently?? You can beat up or not? Have you tried reflashing 4.4.2? Or what have you tried?
Anyway, before doing anything else...I suggest reading the thread about how to unbrick. I don't know the link off hand....but it may help.
Good luck. ?
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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Here it is.......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2629057
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Thanks to everyone for all the help given, luckily because of the bootloader showing as "LOCKED" and the horrible tecnical service( i hope thats how its written) here in Argentina i was able to make my moto x pass with the warranty and hopefully recieve a new moto x. Again thanks for all the support.

No screen after update #help!

Hi Guys,
I'm having trouble with my moto x 2014. I flashed the RETEU ALL factory image from this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/ota-zip-moto-x-2014-xt1092-5-0-t2970818) . The phone got in 4.4 again. From there I downloaded the 5.0 OTA via the settings interface, and the phone started installing. After that, the phone stayed blank. I cannot get the phone to boot, neither in recovery, nor bootloader. When I press the downkey for > 3 seconds, the green led does appear on the top of the device, but nothing happens on the screen.
I've never had this and no physical damage was done to the device in between the upgrades. Any ideas on the cause and how to fix this? Your help is appreciated!

Before you flashed the factory image for 4.4.4 what version did you have?
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well.. that's kinda hard to say. It all began when I tried installing the OTA for 5.1.1 from my rooted 5.1, which is released this week. That went wrong. Then I googled around for a proper firmware to get back to. I got 4.4 on it, but it was a US version. Then I installed the one from the link (first post), which brought me to 4.4 EU. From there I tried the 5.x OTA again. That's when the phone stopped responding. I don't wanna conclude things to soon, but it all feels like a hard bick sadly.

Just as I had feared. You downgraded then took an OTA. It is a hard brick. It can't be repaired by us. You will have to send it to motorola to fix it. You voided the warranty by unlocking your bootloader and downgrading, so to fix it, it won't be free.
Never ever downgrade then take an OTA, it is guaranteed to cause a brick.
What you should have done is flash a stock firmware of the same version, the 5.0 firmware. Not the 4.4.4. That is what went wrong.
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I just hard bricked mine by doing this. Since I have no warranty anymore, I was thinking of trying to fix it myself. All I need to replace is the motherboard or is it more complex than that?

felipepar said:
I just hard bricked mine by doing this. Since I have no warranty anymore, I was thinking of trying to fix it myself. All I need to replace is the motherboard or is it more complex than that?
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Yes, just change the motherboard. As long as the new motherboard is not bricked too, it will work.
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AGISCI said:
Yes, just change the motherboard. As long as the new motherboard is not bricked too, it will work.
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Thanks for the quick reply! One last question: I have a brazilian XT1097. From what I know it is the same model as the XT1095 but for the brazilian market. If I buy a XT1095 motherboard, do you think it will work?

felipepar said:
Thanks for the quick reply! One last question: I have a brazilian XT1097. From what I know it is the same model as the XT1095 but for the brazilian market. If I buy a XT1095 motherboard, do you think it will work?
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It's not 100% the same. The xt1095 and xt1097 have different radios. There is a chance that you might not get cell signal. It is better to get a xt1097 motherboard.
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[Q] Questions about hard brick (XT1063)

Okay, trying to be as brief as possible. I started out with stock 4.4.4, then unlocked bootloader and rooted it and such. I unrooted it, then updated it to 5.0.2 LP OTA. Decided that I didn't like Lollipop, so I restored it back to stock 4.4.4 KK using the official firmware for my device (retuglb). Everything flashed okay except for the bootloader, in which it gave me "Preflash validation failed", which supposedly happens when you try to downgrade from Lollipop to Kitkat. My phone is working just fine though. So now I want to upgrade to Lollipop again via OTA. What are my chances of hard bricking the device? I just read some posts here that people bricked their Moto G2 via OTA to 5.0.2. One guy restored to stock 4.4.4 then OTA'd to 5.0.2 and it bricked his device. Will that happen to my if I OTA update my device again? Please answer. Thanks.

Dont ota update
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You can flash stock 5.0.2 by fastboot mode
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Oh no, don't OTA your phone this is just how I Bricked mine (XT1063), If you want to go to Lollipop again use the fastboot-script method, there is a lot of info about that in the forum.

Xxsan said:
Oh no, don't OTA your phone this is just how I Bricked mine (XT1063), If you want to go to Lollipop again use the fastboot-script method, there is a lot of info about that in the forum.
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So is it hard bricked or soft bricked? Are you still using the XT1063?

Ariznottle said:
So is it hard bricked or soft bricked? Are you still using the XT1063?
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It is hard bricked and I never found a solution. I still have it but is worthless.

million-dollar idea = hard brick bootloader

I watch all the forum ... and nothing .... It strikes me the idea that solving this problem can handle only champion. I am not and I tried on all methods.
Why XDA no solution ??? XDA's largest community of Android developers I know. There must be a solution, and I want to find him here!
Help if you can, even God
thanks

at least tell us, what seems to be a problem? As for now, it sounds like you're going to pay a milion-dollars for someone who will hardbrick your bootloader. Am I right? Send it to me, I'll hardbrick with my hammer for that cash.

I think his problem is that is Bootloader IS hardbricked and NOT that he wants it hardbricked.. BTW I have a similar problem. I installed Android 6.0 on my xt1068 using The Indian soak test update. I then decided I wanted to downgrade back to 5.0.2 and my phone is now dead completely... So yeah an answer would be nice here. Thanks

One should try to install only system, recovery, radio partiotions.
Every update Moto updates fs structure, changes bootloader and radio. These are critical and should not be installed.

PsyClip-R said:
One should try to install only system, recovery, radio partiotions.
Every update Moto updates fs structure, changes bootloader and radio. These are critical and should not be installed.
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>These are critical and should not be installed.
More like they shouldn't be downgraded.

LuK1337 said:
>These are critical and should not be installed.
More like they shouldn't be downgraded.
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i m on soak test 6.0 update with rooted and twrp recovery and also have a twrp backup of stock rooted 5.0.2 so how can i get and install further ota updates ? can i restore from twrp backup of stock rooted 5.0.2 and then flash 5.0.2 to stay stock and get ready for updates please help as i know bootloader downgrade will brick my device
Blur_Version.24.41.34.titan_retaildsds.retaildsdsall.en.03.zip
has a gpt.bin file is it possible to replace the gpt.bin from 5.0.2 firmware files with one that is present in blur zip please help

my current bootloader is 48.86 i used xt1069 's marshmallow previously
I FLASHED XT1068_TITAN_RETAILDSDS_5.0.2_LXB22.99-16.3_Easy_Installer.zip ON BOOTLOADER 48.86 VIA FASTBOOT IT GIVES ME MSG IN PINK ( version downgrade for _gpt and version downgrade for tz) and rest is worked fine it successfully booted into the stock 5.0.2 after that i updated soak test update of 6.0 by coping blurred version into sd card and checking it by going into settings >about phones >system updates
so not faced any problem as of now i m sure what i done i have a video proof also that i flashed (XT1068_TITAN_RETAILDSDS_5.0.2_LXB22.99-16.3_Easy_Installer.zip ON BOOTLOADER 48.86)

Sorry could you please explain that in beginner's lanuguage?
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I've bricked my boot loader by downgrading and have taken it in for repair to my local cellphone repair guy and he told me it's dead and unfix-able. I was told to go to Motorola to get them to fix it except THERE is no Motorola service at all for South Africa... So I'm screwed?