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Might not buy a N7. No QC.

Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.

The people posting about issues on the forums are a very small percentage of sales. For example, if 100 people complain of product issues, but 1 million people have flawless devices who didn't report their flawless experience, it would be safe to say you have a slim chance of getting a defective device.
Thing is though, there is no way of telling exactly how many Nexus 7's were sold total or how many people received flawless devices.

Mine was brought from Australia (so no usable warranty) and was from the first batch but I still don't experience any issues with it.

espionage724 said:
The people posting about issues on the forums are a very small percentage of sales. For example, if 100 people complain of product issues, but 1 million people have flawless devices who didn't report their flawless experience, it would be safe to say you have a slim chance of getting a defective device.
Thing is though, there is no way of telling exactly how many Nexus 7's were sold total or how many people received flawless devices.
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Yeah, you're right. There are probably less faulty products going around than what I think, but it's also true that there are more faulty devices going around tnat they should!
Anyway, i'm looking into buying the 32Gb without 3g model. Those are new, so manufacture problems should be addressed by now, right?

Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!

Copitox said:
Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.
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Don't buy to much into the whine tendency that seems to be going around on the net about these. I've bought 2 and they were both good. Both from walmart. I'm not saying the rumors are false I'm just saying that I don't think the "failure" rate is worth worrying about more than anything else you may buy at the store.

Small squishy screen lift that you have to hunt for to find does not make your device faulty. Mine has pretty moderate screen lift and I hardly notice it, does not hamper my enjoyment of the device at all.

From everything we know, the 32GB model is exactly the same electronics except a different (bigger) memory chip.
That is true all the way back to the 8GB models - just different memory, allowing for minor engineering changes like in C70, C80, and C90 models.
The White 8GB models handed out at the show did have some minor differences in things like Bluetooth.

If there's no warranty don't buy the N7.
I'm on my 3rd device and I still have to warranty it again. All had different critical issues, such as a row of dead pixels or the speaker not working.
Save a bit more money and buy a device you can warranty easily in your own country.
From your post it sounds like you should not risk the money you had to save up.

WarbyParker said:
If there's no warranty don't buy the N7.
I'm on my 3rd device and I still have to warranty it again. All had different critical issues, such as a row of dead pixels or the speaker not working.
Save a bit more money and buy a device you can warranty easily in your own country.
From your post it sounds like you should not risk the money you had to save up.
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i would have to agree with this post. I also think the issues are more then 1 in a million as said above . There is no real way to tell what that ratio is. But its known that if you get a faulty device with screen being spongy and do NOT fix or exchange it . The screen will break its just a matter of when. If its a slight screen lift (what most have)You should be fine. The true defect of the screen being spongy is much more rare then the screen lift issue that just makes it a bit raised or bezel warped.
I would say its not worth the risk of getting the issue if you Cant send it back.
I had two defective devices one with bad screen spongy issue . One came where screen cracked on first touch(VERY Rare and not related to any of the so called issues )
My biggest issue is google play and how they handle refunds it took me over a month on the second device and near two on the first. I did buy a 3rd even thou i said I WOULD not do so. It was perfect from walmart. Just yesterday exchanged it for a perfect 32 gb version..
yes this is a long post. NO IM NOT Complaining just telling you your chances of not having a issue is like tossing dice.. Are you a Gambler???

Copitox said:
Hi, guys. This is my first post here. I want to tell you my not-an-experience with the Nexus7.
I'm from Chile. That means, the only way I can get a Nexus 7 is by importing it. I've been saving up money for months for it, but now that I finally got it all, I started browsing XDA and Android Central forums.
What I can tell, is that if I buy one, there's a very, very high chance I get a faulty device. I've read people saying they're on their third or fourth device, and still faulty! I won't even be able to return it
I'm just thinking out loud, and was hoping to get some input from a community of N7 owners. Maybe some of you are or were on my same situation.
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Hey!
I am one of the proud N7 owners, too, and I might share my own experience: I bought my N7 from one of the first production charges directly at Google, and I have to admit that the first device I got had a pixel flickering after unlocking. It made the devices really pretty useless, so I returned it and got the second one, which I still own, because it is just pure perfection What I think and already read is that the production faults are getting less frequent the newer the device is. So the chance to get a "perfect" N7 today is very high compared to the frequency of faults in the first production charges. I can advice you to order it anyway, it is totally worth the effort if you, against all good will, get a damaged device. Also the returning costs + the "normal" price are still much lower than the costs for other tablets.
Have a good day, and good luck with your N7!

I keep hearing in different forums about how the faulty devices might be a very small fraction, but the same people also mention they are on their second or third device like a normal thing. I mean, just in this thread there are already two persons on their third device!
How is this not a scandal yet?

ericdjobs said:
Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!
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It always makes me smile when I see a post like this.
Someone finally gives up and starts justifying the poor QC by insinuating that it is intentionally "part of the design".
That's a bunch of bull ****.
If that is ASUS' design teams goal, then they should be fired (they probably should be fired anyway..)
Honestly, I've bought a ton of Android devices, and the worst of the lot when it comes to QC are the Nexus devices. It's probably due to the short production schedules and low budgets they allot to make them since they're practically sold at cost. Whatever the driving factor, the truth is I've had way more issues with Nexus products than any others. Every single time I buy a Nexus device I have to exchange it (usually multiple times) before I end up with one that minimizes the flaws.
If some people want to run around pretending they're supposed to be like that, great for them - but I'm not putting blinders on to reality to make myself feel better about having a faulty product or blame it on some type of OCD.
I got very lucky that I only had to exchange my Nexus 7 once before getting one that I thought was almost perfect. Sure enough, a week or two later and here comes the lower left-hand side light bleed.. smh
But to act like you should be OK with it because "that's the way it's supposed to be" is just lying to yourself to calm your perceived "OCD" which is really just wanting a product that performs as they claim it does. I don't remember seeing the Nexus 7 specs including "light bleed" or "slightly raised screen and missing screws for greater product life". I do remember reading about it's "amazing" HD screen...

ericdjobs said:
Honestly what you're seeing is people with tech OCD who are obsessed with getting an absolutely pristine perfect nexus.
I have to admit, I was one of those people at one point. I obsessed about left-side screen lift and extremely minor backlight bleed. I returned many devices and spent a lot of time without my tablet because of it. What I've come to realize is that the way ASUS designs the tablet is that very minor raising of the left-side of the screen is inevitable and there's no such thing (in my opinion) as a Nexus where this doesn't exist, it's pretty much part of the design of the nexus. I think that early models had a much more significant problem in this regard. Every single C90 Nexus that I've ever seen/touched the left side was slightly raised, if only a little tiny tiny bit, compared to the right.
Does this change how you use the tablet day to day, or anything like that? No. The only time it comes into play is when you focus solely on trying to identify screen lift. It's not something I would really worry about. Seriously, I went through like 5 16GB's and 3 32GB's before I came to this conclusion. I've had a much better experience after I've simply stopped obsessing about screen lift or any small little problem that I find and just use the tablet. The 32gb I ended up keeping has the screen lift.. but as I said I've never SEEN a C90 model that doesn't, I think this is due to lack of screws on the left hand side, to prevent cases of SERIOUS screen lift. It also has very very minor backlight bleeding at the top of the screen on full brightness, and (something that seems common to ALL 32gbs) you get pretty noticeable ripple of the LCD on the left side when slight-medium pressure is applied. Couple weeks ago this would have warranted a return... but to be honest I don't notice ANY of these in regular use. The only time it's an issue is when I'm actively looking for them!
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I'm one of those who have this tech OCD problem, and was apprehensive when I was considering buying the Nexus 7. I bought it anyway, and it was perfect from day one, as I guess millions of others were.
As has already been said, there will always be a percentage of bad/faulty products, and any received by XDA members will be heard loud and clear on these forums.

ingenious247 said:
It always makes me smile when I see a post like this.
Someone finally gives up and starts justifying the poor QC by insinuating that it is intentionally "part of the design".
That's a bunch of bull ****.
If that is ASUS' design teams goal, then they should be fired (they probably should be fired anyway..)
Honestly, I've bought a ton of Android devices, and the worst of the lot when it comes to QC are the Nexus devices. It's probably due to the short production schedules and low budgets they allot to make them since they're practically sold at cost. Whatever the driving factor, the truth is I've had way more issues with Nexus products than any others. Every single time I buy a Nexus device I have to exchange it (usually multiple times) before I end up with one that minimizes the flaws.
If some people want to run around pretending they're supposed to be like that, great for them - but I'm not putting blinders on to reality to make myself feel better about having a faulty product or blame it on some type of OCD.
I got very lucky that I only had to exchange my Nexus 7 once before getting one that I thought was almost perfect. Sure enough, a week or two later and here comes the lower left-hand side light bleed.. smh
But to act like you should be OK with it because "that's the way it's supposed to be" is just lying to yourself to calm your perceived "OCD" which is really just wanting a product that performs as they claim it does. I don't remember seeing the Nexus 7 specs including "light bleed" or "slightly raised screen and missing screws for greater product life". I do remember reading about it's "amazing" HD screen...
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It might not be in the description of the device, but every company has their faults as these devices and the likes are mass produced. It is unavoidable situation, just some companies are less likely to have faulty units.
I agree that it seems more issues are with Nexus devices, but it is the dice you roll for other things you like, preferably Vanilla Android and faster updates.
I have light bleed in the left hand corner.....I just deal with it. Hardly notice it anymore.
If you want everything perfect, Godspeed....you will have quite an interesting busy life, lol!
Sent from a galaxy far away!

Asus QC friggin' sucks. I own a Transformer Prime and a Nexus 7, and they're both crappy hardware wise. I had to use crazy glue to get "fix" the screen lift on my N7.
With that said, Nexus devices are the best. The software is second to none, is supported directly from Google, and is snappy and responsive. It's worth the tradeoff, IMO.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

nyijedi said:
Asus QC friggin' sucks.
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Lets not blame ASUS as a whole for bad QC. I own a sound card and DVD burner from them, and they are truly flawless (or at least don't show any obvious defects, with months of use).

I got my device a week early from ebuyer.com in the UK. No problems at all. As always, those with problems report them and those with no problems have no need - so are therefore less vocal. Go ahead and buy one, unless you have other financial problems. Techno gadgets are not the most important thing to spend money on.

If I didnt have an option to return a possibly faulty Nexus (or anything) which has a chance of arriving with a fault or developing a fault, then I would not buy it myself...not unless I was prepared to possibly throw the money away.
Far from being OCD, I was happy with my Nexus 7, but after 2 weeks of hardly having used it, I heard a noise as I was pressing the screen. I tracked the noise down to significant screen lift on the left side. I then read up on it and opened the back and found 2 screws missing on the left side and the other 2 loose. I tightened the loose two and tested it again. It was better, but there was visible screen rippling when I pressed the display on the left side. I was not happy and realised it was going to fail again and that perhaps the screen would crack in the end. I was (and am) seriously unimpressed that Asus are obviously aware of this issue and have tried to get around it rather than fix it properly.
I'm waiting for another model where they've fixed this. I dont buy items to put up with stuff. IF I buy a Nexus 7 again, then I will get it from a bricks and mortart store where I can check it first and where I can take it back if need be.

Tell ya what, you can buy my Nexus 7 16GB, which is flawless, for $200+shipping and I'll go out and buy myself a 32GB. Win-win!

[Q] Stuck pixel/s - fix, return, or live with?

Hi guys,
So technically I'm on my third HTC One, the first bulged at the USB port with a scuff, and the second was opened in store and had similar bulging so I refused it.
The third seemed good, and so I took it. I went home, set it all up, checked for bad pixels and it was grand. So i set it up, installed all my stuff, unlocked the bootloader and rooted etc.
So, dial forward a week, and I notice a brighter spot on a white background, right on the edge of the screen, on the left. I'd guess its a few pixels, as it is kinda triangular, and bigger than just one I believe. Using a pixel tester tool, they only show up on green (looks more white) and white (looks brighter), not on black, red or blue. So, I'm guessing its a group of sub-pixels.
It's one of those things - it doesn't bother me that much except I know its there, so I get drawn to it, particularly on white browser screens. I've briefly tried a pixel fixer app but it didn't fix it. So, I need some advice really, I love the phone now that I have (had) one that was perfect, but this has disappointed me. I'd hate to get back into a cycle of more returns for more issues like overhang, camera etc, if they even have any in stock. So, has anyone any advice on a possible fix, as that would be the best solution?
If not, given I've unlocked the bootloader and rooted and stuff, am I likely to encounter some resistance trying to exchange this? I got it from Three, and I intend to call round to them shortly to talk about it, but wanted some advice first.
Thanks for any help,
Matt

If it isn't too annoying I say live with it. You'll get used to it eventually.
If you replace it again there's a good chance you'll get one with a worse problem.

Replaced
In the end, I went with the replacement - sat in the store and checked off a list of the common faults I've seen haha, from aluminium quality to video hissing!
Think I've finally got a great one; it had a different batch number, HT32WW, as compared to HT338W for both the previous two. Very pleased! I can hopefully now relax - bar any more sudden dead pixels!
I'll add that Three were really great about it, very apologetic, I dunno why they have a reputation for poor customer service, maybe their call centres? Anyway, yeah, kudos to them!

Anybody saying live with it is a total idiot. Its like buying a car and saying it has a crack on the window but live with it. If its broken, change it! Its free and you deserve a problem free device for the price.

Yeah, and given that attitude I had Amazon send me three devices in a row, and none of them is free of dead pixels (no gaps etc. nonetheless). If you're going for pure you might have to stay strong to finally receive the one you've been waiting for .

[Q] Marks on screen in low light

I got my GSM Dev Edition last week and in the last few days I've noticed dark, asymmetrical streaks that almost look like scratches or claw marks in the bottom left quarter of the screen. These only show up on dark blue/gray backgrounds (such as the dialer and settings screens) and in low light - such as in the dark - I noticed it when i play around with it in watching TV in bed. I cleaned the display thoroughly to rule out dirt and oil, and I also noticed the marks don't show up in screenshots. My wife has a Verizon Moto X, and she doesn't have the streaks, but I did notice a few dark dots/spots that appear in similar situations.
I called Motorola, and even though I unlocked the bootloader, they will give me an RMA and evaluate the phone, but I'd have to ship it and then wait 7-10 business days to get it back. I was hoping they might say they'd just exchange it so it'd be a quicker process.
Is anyone else noticing something like this, or notice it now that I've pointed it out (sorry!)? Since I dropped close to $700 on this phone, it should be perfect, so it's hard to "unsee" it now even if it is borderline (or flat-out) nitpicking. But it doesn't affect functionality or even viewing in normal lighting, it doesn't show up on any other colored screens, and I really don't want to have to send my phone away and be without it for probably 3 weeks minimum. I've never had an issue with any phones or devices before where I've had to send them back for warranty repair or evaluation. Anyone have any advice or thoughts on this? Is it worth my time? Thanks!

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I got my GSM Dev Edition last week and in the last few days I've noticed dark, asymmetrical streaks that almost look like scratches or claw marks in the bottom left quarter of the screen. These only show up on dark blue/gray backgrounds (such as the dialer and settings screens) and in low light - such as in the dark - I noticed it when i play around with it in watching TV in bed. I cleaned the display thoroughly to rule out dirt and oil, and I also noticed the marks don't show up in screenshots. My wife has a Verizon Moto X, and she doesn't have the streaks, but I did notice a few dark dots/spots that appear in similar situations.
I called Motorola, and even though I unlocked the bootloader, they will give me an RMA and evaluate the phone, but I'd have to ship it and then wait 7-10 business days to get it back. I was hoping they might say they'd just exchange it so it'd be a quicker process.
Is anyone else noticing something like this, or notice it now that I've pointed it out (sorry!)? Since I dropped close to $700 on this phone, it should be perfect, so it's hard to "unsee" it now even if it is borderline (or flat-out) nitpicking. But it doesn't affect functionality or even viewing in normal lighting, it doesn't show up on any other colored screens, and I really don't want to have to send my phone away and be without it for probably 3 weeks minimum. I've never had an issue with any phones or devices before where I've had to send them back for warranty repair or evaluation. Anyone have any advice or thoughts on this? Is it worth my time? Thanks!
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In case anyone cares, after talking with them again, Motorola is letting me straight-up return the phone (even with unlocked bootloader). Then I'm just going to turn around and buy another new one - or perhaps even save a few hundos and get a gently used AT&T or T-mobile version (I like this phone so much as-is that I feel like I don't even need the unlockable bootloader). Why it can't just be an outright exchange where I send them this phone and then they ship me out another, I have no idea. At least the marks will be gone after going through this trouble..

mohlsen8 said:
In case anyone cares, after talking with them again, Motorola is letting me straight-up return the phone (even with unlocked bootloader). Then I'm just going to turn around and buy another new one - or perhaps even save a few hundos and get a gently used AT&T or T-mobile version (I like this phone so much as-is that I feel like I don't even need the unlockable bootloader). Why it can't just be an outright exchange where I send them this phone and then they ship me out another, I have no idea. At least the marks will be gone after going through this trouble..
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Yes! I have them as well. I didn't even know how to describe them until I saw your post. White AT&T model. I filed a warranty claim through AT&T and they are sending me out a replacement. I thought about just letting it go since they are basically not visible unless it's a gray type background but just knowing they are there erks me to no end.

capathy21 said:
Yes! I have them as well. I didn't even know how to describe them until I saw your post. White AT&T model. I filed a warranty claim through AT&T and they are sending me out a replacement. I thought about just letting it go since they are basically not visible unless it's a gray type background but just knowing they are there erks me to no end.
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Yeah seriously, I couldn't stand seeing them anymore, and this morning was prepared to ship my phone away for 3 weeks to have it repaired. I'm glad they're just letting me return it. It feels tainted to me and I want a perfect one, especially for full retail price. Glad to know I'm not alone.
If anyone else is looking for them (again, sorry in advance), they're easily visible in the background of Titanium Backup and "Notification Toggles" app by j4velin. Also can see them in between stuff on the dialer and anywhere in the settings.

mohlsen8 said:
Yeah seriously, I couldn't stand seeing them anymore, and this morning was prepared to ship my phone away for 3 weeks to have it repaired. I'm glad they're just letting me return it. It feels tainted to me and I want a perfect one, especially for full retail price. Glad to know I'm not alone.
If anyone else is looking for them (again, sorry in advance), they're easily visible in the background of Titanium Backup and "Notification Toggles" app by j4velin. Also can see them in between stuff on the dialer and anywhere in the settings.
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Oh for sure, Basically 700 bucks for a phone with tax it better be perfect. I don't blame you at all. Just curious, did you try a factory restore? I am almost certain it's a hardware defect but I thought about trying that.
Thanks

capathy21 said:
Oh for sure, Basically 700 bucks for a phone with tax it better be perfect. I don't blame you at all. Just curious, did you try a factory restore? I am almost certain it's a hardware defect but I thought about trying that.
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Yes, I ruled that out too. Flashed back to stock everything using the images in the FXZ but the marks are still there. It almost looks like the glass itself is stained or something where these "streaks" appear. No idea.

xz1 c in 2020

Greetings
Would you recommend buying this phone in 2020 for >200 bugs?
Also are you using the unofficial LineageOS port or a Generic System Image? If the latter, which one?

Depends what kind of currency your bugs are.
We used to trade with squirrelskins hundreds of years ago, but now with money this seems a bit old fashioned.. [emoji16]

hertell said:
Depends what kind of currency your bugs are.
We used to trade with squirrelskins hundreds of years ago, but now with money this seems a bit old fashioned.. [emoji16]
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I'm talking about euros, friend

drater2 said:
I'm talking about euros, friend
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Ok. "Bucks" is usually USD.
I love the phone, so 200 EUR for a brand new phone sold by a store seems as an OK price to me. You get 2 years of warranty if you live in an EU country.
Sent from my phone using an app

hertell said:
Ok. "Bucks" is usually USD.
I love the phone, so 200 EUR for a brand new phone sold by a store seems as an OK price to me. You get 2 years of warranty if you live in an EU country.
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you using any of the mentioned custom software?

Over 200 bucks? Nah. I would say the price for this phone should be around 150. Try to get it used. I got mine used for 170€. It's a very good phone and works flawlessly. It misses some features of even older phones though, such as the night mode filter or a built in firewall. Mine still has a few months of warranty left, when it's over I will root it and then it will be perfect.
Only gripes I have with it:
>no soft touch buttons (like the OnePlus3 despite the bezel being huge), I hate the on screen navbar and on a small screen like this it's even more annoying
>fingerprint reader and power key are the same and the phone doesn't have double tap to wake, this means you have to do some finger wizardry every time to just turn on the screen without also unlocking every time

I use Wave up and am complete fine with it

drater2 said:
Greetings
Would you recommend buying this phone in 2020 for >200 bugs?
Also are you using the unofficial LineageOS port or a Generic System Image? If the latter, which one?
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If it is a truly compact phone you want with good battery life and a headphone jack then you cannot go wrong here.
But don't expect wonders from the camera.
I have been using LOS 17.1 for a while and it's been running smooth, but now that Havoc OS has been updated I will be switching over to it.

MarkMRL said:
Over 200 bucks? Nah. I would say the price for this phone should be around 150. Try to get it used. I got mine used for 170€. It's a very good phone and works flawlessly. It misses some features of even older phones though, such as the night mode filter or a built in firewall. Mine still has a few months of warranty left, when it's over I will root it and then it will be perfect.
Only gripes I have with it:
>no soft touch buttons (like the OnePlus3 despite the bezel being huge), I hate the on screen navbar and on a small screen like this it's even more annoying
>fingerprint reader and power key are the same and the phone doesn't have double tap to wake, this means you have to do some finger wizardry every time to just turn on the screen without also unlocking every time
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Custom Navigation Bar app works well for hiding the navigation bar

Looking for something that lasts long
My "recent history" is
SM galaxy s II, i sold a ruined by time one and the second was ruined and could not be resurrected in rice, after I was thrown over board by a pirate. I am not donkey kong, the real one is donekykong123 (already taken name), but the rest is true.
SM note 3 abandoned, just fell for the 100th time and unfortunately this time from the top of the car broke the screen yesterday.
I just found out that both have been supported from you ppl, you are ***** great.
I am not looking to take pics (ok night pics are cool but whatever!), i watch videos, i don't use social but twitter, no what app. I don't like being denied to download an app because I guess my system is not compatible (the android not being up to it usually is the cause), I dnt like at all the finger print, eye scanning and all these data extraction privacy break normalization things.
I want a 12 cm phone with cool shape.
If battery is interchangable and I have 4 RAM (as far as I informed myself) we are on top!
I am really struggling searching for something as I ve become kind of picky, but I also found that producers just make this stuff in serie all the same cost cutting trash forcing people to have phone in their hand and buying one every 1\2 year (I DEEPLY and BEASTLY hate this). Nature comes first than economy or consumerism
Now, sorry for saying this stuff, I am just trying to understand if this now abandoned Sony serie is good, (hard to find) but I saw that Serie x 1 and 5 will be supported (I dnt understand if this is a big problem really for a person that wants to buy something that will use for other 5 years AT LEAST).
I know that people are not accustomed to long posts. Sorry if it feels egocentrical, and disrespectful.
I cannot target a good model, I also saw as I like "mil-spec" stuff the ulephone but I saw that it's mostly just "america marketing" (no disprespect) they break anyway fast. I heard that motorola is something to check.
I like Sony since u know "the italians".. "the japanese"... they do it good, and i like the "motto" not for those that care for measure but for quality that this phone has, also because I am donkey kong and I dnt have measure concerns.
Now... I definitely have pockets as everybody else, I hate keeping these sterilizing tools in my pockets and knowing they look like Peace makers and feeling like I have a house in my front or back pocket (where u can also break the screen from I heard) is exactly what I want to avoid to have...
I am a EU south individual and we care a lot about style and also about practicality\pragmatism even if my post doesn't sound like this.
I posted below the OP thread because I think this is the perfect place to go deeper in this question\quest...
Thanks

MarkMRL said:
Over 200 bucks? Nah. I would say the price for this phone should be around 150. Try to get it used. I got mine used for 170€. It's a very good phone and works flawlessly. It misses some features of even older phones though, such as the night mode filter or a built in firewall. Mine still has a few months of warranty left, when it's over I will root it and then it will be perfect.
Only gripes I have with it:
>no soft touch buttons (like the OnePlus3 despite the bezel being huge), I hate the on screen navbar and on a small screen like this it's even more annoying
>fingerprint reader and power key are the same and the phone doesn't have double tap to wake, this means you have to do some finger wizardry every time to just turn on the screen without also unlocking every time
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I am also wondering inside my search for the perfect small phone, i don't need a tablet pushed inside my pockets, how can it be an ok buy if the software is abandoned by Sony : as notebookcheck.net/Official-Sony-Android-10-update-roadmap-confirms-that-the-Xperia-XZ1-phones-have-now-been-abandoned
Is it ok anyway?
I am the first to support also when all SELL, but look at this too: how can people tell you to buy it anyway? I understand one is buying the hardware, but also somehow the software and the mother house is important when one buys a phone: I remember when buying windows phone, I never made a worse suggestion to a person telling to buy it... it was trash.
notebookcheck.net/Sony-Smartphone-business-collapses-services-being-shut-down-too

This phone is definitely worth it considering the size and specs. I paid 60 dollars for mine used on eBay, I made an offer and it was accepted.

MarkMRL said:
Over 200 bucks? Nah. I would say the price for this phone should be around 150. Try to get it used. I got mine used for 170€. It's a very good phone and works flawlessly. It misses some features of even older phones though, such as the night mode filter or a built in firewall. Mine still has a few months of warranty left, when it's over I will root it and then it will be perfect.
Only gripes I have with it:
>no soft touch buttons (like the OnePlus3 despite the bezel being huge), I hate the on screen navbar and on a small screen like this it's even more annoying
>fingerprint reader and power key are the same and the phone doesn't have double tap to wake, this means you have to do some finger wizardry every time to just turn on the screen without also unlocking every time
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Recently sold my Xperia XZ because there was almost no usable custom software and I don't want to be stuck with Google spyware/ outdated stock rom.
Using my old z1 compact again and it's totally fine. - pretty much only using it as music player. I can get over the not so great camera.
XZ1c is quite expensive. Really hard to get nowadays. But it is the only quite recent phone on the market that is not complete trash. Maybe it will get cheaper with time. Then I might buy one. Right now this 6 year old phone is more than enough.

suarez90 said:
This phone is definitely worth it considering the size and specs. I paid 60 dollars for mine used on eBay, I made an offer and it was accepted.
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That's nice . The cheapest I could find was some 170 or something. Not acceptable for a relatively old phone in my opinion, considering how cheap they've become.

Edge screen has same green tint problem as Edge+

It starts to show up after three days
Gray appears green

i opened my new edge today after purchasing yesterday,and it had green screen issue too .. called moto and was told they had numerous calls about it..this sucks cause this seemed like a decent phone especially for $200 off

MixEvo said:
i opened my new edge today after purchasing yesterday,and it had green screen issue too .. called moto and was told they had numerous calls about it..this sucks cause this seemed like a decent phone especially for $200 off
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Same here, but the green faded back out.

zoomer296 said:
Same here, but the green faded back out.
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Mine was mainly on the sides left side was real bad. Well I returned it,so sorry Motorola nice hardware that suffers with that 1st year bugs

MixEvo said:
Mine was mainly on the sides left side was real bad. Well I returned it,so sorry Motorola nice hardware that suffers with that 1st year bugs
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Right side for me. Still, just because it's faded doesn't mean it's over. I wanted to unlock the bootloader, but I can't go voiding the warrantee when I may end up needing it.
I'll probably return it and wait for the US release of the G 5G equivalent.
If all it needed was a break-in, that should've been done at the factory.

zoomer296 said:
Right side for me. Still, just because it's faded doesn't mean it's over. I wanted to unlock the bootloader, but I can't go voiding the warrantee when I may end up needing it.
I'll probably return it and wait for the US release of the G 5G equivalent.
If all it needed was a break-in, that should've been done at the factory.
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I am in the same situation. I see the green tint, but it isn't as bad as when I first turned it on.

I posted a new thread over in the Q&A with a poll about it. The moto support forums are starting to buzz with folks complaining, and the best buy reviews are starting to roll in with photos. Moto may have a slightly big problem on their hand.

Mine did the same after just 1 week, i send it to the service and they said they ordered the hardware for replacement, couldnt return the phone and get my money back

UK model (single sim) MOTP-EDGBLK - same issue.
Only apparent when the brightness is below 50%.

I received #4 replacement
This time I noticed some changes in hardware
The screen looks OK for 18 days
Nothing funny so far

I returned mine back to Amazon and bought another - after 3 days, same issue.
Gave up, got a refund and bought a Pixel 5.
Such a shame, I really liked the Moto Edge design, size and battery life. Unfortunately it seems that Motorola can't make phones, had a screen related issue on my Moto X Force a few years back too, seems like Motorola have not improved at all.

khan1989 said:
I returned mine back to Amazon and bought another - after 3 days, same issue.
Gave up, got a refund and bought a Pixel 5.
Such a shame, I really liked the Moto Edge design, size and battery life. Unfortunately it seems that Motorola can't make phones, had a screen related issue on my Moto X Force a few years back too, seems like Motorola have not improved at all.
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I assume it's difficult to have good yields due to the waterfall design. There could be a relatively high failure for this type of design.
It's funny how my 2nd Edge is exhibiting the same green tint. I was so sure I could put this behind me.

Ace42 said:
I assume it's difficult to have good yields due to the waterfall design. There could be a relatively high failure for this type of design.
It's funny how my 2nd Edge is exhibiting the same green tint. I was so sure I could put this behind me.
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The waterfall design isn't new though. Other OEMs have made similar style displays (Samsung, OPPO etc) and none then have such a high failure rate like this.

khan1989 said:
The waterfall design isn't new though. Other OEMs have made similar style displays (Samsung, OPPO etc) and none then have such a high failure rate like this.
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Whatever the source is, Moto is clearly struggling to obtain good panels. Reviews say the screen is great but they fail so easily. It's beyond strange.

Day 23 of #4 replacement unit
It's still too early to say trouble free, but compare it with the one on first post

I changed the theme to white in all apps, it's weird because the only color that appears green is grey

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I changed the theme to white in all apps, it's weird because the only color that appears green is grey
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Green tint seems to come before purple streaks and double images, no? Look at reviews on best buy, green tint is the least of your worries.
Also you could use swift installer to make certain apps black. I only noticed the green tint cause I happened to have another phone next to the edge.

3 days in from bestbuy retail stock, box has a 20 october 2020 date on it. No screen issues. Of course, when I have the light theme enabled there are often situations where I can see a slight greenish/grey hue to the edge as it begins to curve. That's just optics and not at all as some of the pics I have seen. Sweet ride so far.

As of December 8th, no more purple blotches, which has shadows of the notification bar, and cutout. Hasn't happened in about 2 weeks. I did notice, with the latest build(October), that the battery drains a touch faster. Still don't know if it's curing of screen materials, or update.

Screen is still perfect after full 8 weeks