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hi, i'm from the x10 forum converting to a nexus one =) I searched around and I'm a little bit confused about rooting for flashing roms. I see some guides about unlocking the bootloader first, then rooting. ( i think old method??) Now theres the one click root, am i required to unlock the bootloader first, then use the 1 click root, because i know the 1 click root doesn't unlock the bootloader.
so first do i have to unlock bootloader, and if i do, can i use the 1 click root with unlocking bootloader? and can i load a rom after i root without unlocking the bootloader?
I also read on a different website that unlocking the bootloader is only required for phones locked to a provider, so does that mean that if i unlock the bootloader, my phone will also be network unlocked?
Just want to get this right so i dont' brick my new phone tomorrow
You don't need to unlock the bootloader.
Once rooted, you will need a custom recovery to flash new roms.
Make sure you use a recovery that is compatible with your screen (SLCD requires the newer Amon Ra).
Check out the wiki:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nexus_One
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U can use this new SuperOneClick v1.4 (Root, Enable Non-Market App, Get UNLOCK code):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682
Better to Unlock bootloader
One click root is an amazing thing. It helps you root your android and install recovery without unlocking bootloader and voiding your warranty. But its better to unlock your bootloader just to be on the safer side. Stock roms flash both the Rom and the recovery. Froyo 2.2.1 even reverts an already rooted device.
Warning: your warranty will be void if you unlock bootloader.
galaxys said:
U can use this new SuperOneClick v1.4 (Root, Enable Non-Market App, Get UNLOCK code):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682
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Wrong thread - that app is for the AT&T Captivate.
cmstlist said:
Wrong thread - that app is for the AT&T Captivate.
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Wrong, the thread's 1st post states what devices it works on and the Nexus is listed...
"It works with almost all phones and all android versions. (including the i9000, Droid, Nexus One)"
Okay but why do we Nexus folks care that the app can get Samsung unlock codes and enable a feature that was never disabled on our phones in the first place?
And why would we prefer a Windows app to an on-device root method?
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@danger-rat thanks for the info, i didn't realize that there would be a difference between slcd and amoled, I got the amoled one so i think i'm safe on most recoveries?
@galaxys and inferus- oneclickroot is the best, thats how i got my x10 rooted, but sony's epic fail is forcing me to change over to something more updated, i'm sick of being stuck on 1.6. so no worries about bootloader?
can anyone answer my last question, is my phone locked to tmobile only until i unlocked it? or does it come unlock, and it just a tmobile version because its compatible with tmo 3g?
sushi143 said:
can anyone answer my last question, is my phone locked to tmobile only until i unlocked it? or does it come unlock, and it just a tmobile version because its compatible with tmo 3g?
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The Nexus isn't locked to any carrier, but the hardware is specific to different frequencies. For example, I took my T-Mo nexus to the UK earlier this year, switched out the SIM for an Orange one, and everything was great. However, if I use an AT&T SIM, I will only get 2G speeds because AT&T uses a 3G frequency that's not supported by the T-Mo nexus hardware.
Do a wiki search on the carrier you want, and it will list the operating frequencies for their network - just compare with you phone specs for compatibility.
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Can the Moto X bootloader be unlocked? I ask this because from what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), the bootloader must be unlocked in order to flash custom ROMs. Also, I'm aware that there's a Developer Edition of the Moto X that has an unlocked bootloader. This question is for the standard Moto X, not the Developer Edition. Thanks!
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Shadowz1218 said:
Can the Moto X bootloader be unlocked? I ask this because from what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), the bootloader must be unlocked in order to flash custom ROMs. Also, I'm aware that there's a Developer Edition of the Moto X that has an unlocked bootloader. This question is for the standard Moto X, not the Developer Edition. Thanks!
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AFAIK, there are some models can not be bootloader unlocked, the AT&T, Verizon, Nextel Mexico. Others are bootloader unlockable.
yghrv said:
AFAIK, there are some models can not be bootloader unlocked, the AT&T, Verizon, Nextel Mexico. Others are bootloader unlockable.
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Unfortunately, I have Verizon Wireless. I was originally planning on switching carriers in order to get a Nexus 5, but when I heard about the Moto X being $150 off for Cyber Monday, I thought I'd look into it. Must you have an unlocked bootloader in order to flash a custom ROM or can it still be done? The ability to flash a custom ROM is a must have for me.
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Unfortunately, I have Verizon Wireless. I was originally planning on switching carriers in order to get a Nexus 5, but when I heard about the Moto X being $150 off for Cyber Monday, I thought I'd look into it. Must you have an unlocked bootloader in order to flash a custom ROM or can it still be done? The ability to flash a custom ROM is a must have for me.
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Well, in order to flash a ROM, you'll need to have a recovery capable of doing so. In order to flash a recovery, you'll need an unlocked bootloader. Ergo...
The only reason bootloaders get unlocked is so that custom recoveries can be installed. Not just to flash, but also for backing up. Stock recovery doesn't really do anything but factory reset.
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Unfortunately, I have Verizon Wireless. I was originally planning on switching carriers in order to get a Nexus 5, but when I heard about the Moto X being $150 off for Cyber Monday, I thought I'd look into it. Must you have an unlocked bootloader in order to flash a custom ROM or can it still be done? The ability to flash a custom ROM is a must have for me.
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Well, in order to flash a ROM, you'll need to have a recovery capable of doing so. In order to flash a recovery, you'll need an unlocked bootloader. Ergo...
The only reason bootloaders get unlocked is so that custom recoveries can be installed. Not just to flash, but also for backing up. Stock recovery doesn't really do anything but factory reset.
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You can root and flash roms without an unlocked bootloader. Look at the Development thread, there are root/recovery options for 4.2.2 and 4.4. There isn't much development happening. If anything we're probably going to get stock based roms for the most part.
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Unfortunately, I have Verizon Wireless. I was originally planning on switching carriers in order to get a Nexus 5, but when I heard about the Moto X being $150 off for Cyber Monday, I thought I'd look into it. Must you have an unlocked bootloader in order to flash a custom ROM or can it still be done? The ability to flash a custom ROM is a must have for me.
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Out of curiosity, why is the ability to flash a custom ROM a must-have? I felt that way at first, but many Moto X users (including myself) now believe that a combination of root, Xposed and GravityBox is enough.
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Unfortunately, I have Verizon Wireless. I was originally planning on switching carriers in order to get a Nexus 5, but when I heard about the Moto X being $150 off for Cyber Monday, I thought I'd look into it. Must you have an unlocked bootloader in order to flash a custom ROM or can it still be done? The ability to flash a custom ROM is a must have for me.
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Then get a VZW developer edition.
chaoslimits said:
You can root and flash roms without an unlocked bootloader. Look at the Development thread, there are root/recovery options for 4.2.2 and 4.4. There isn't much development happening. If anything we're probably going to get stock based roms for the most part.
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Well I know root is certainly possible, but how do you flash a rom on the Moto X without using a recovery such as CWM or TWRP?
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Well I know root is certainly possible, but how do you flash a rom on the Moto X without using a recovery such as CWM or TWRP?
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safestrap.
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safestrap.
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There's no safestrap for 4.4 yet, correct?
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You can try root http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538896
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safestrap.
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But isn't safestrap that weird hack that leaves the original system alone and just sticks another install on the device? I wanted to get a vzw S4 until I learned I'd be stuck with the original bloated OS installed along the one I want (if I'm understanding it correctly)
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But isn't safestrap that weird hack that leaves the original system alone and just sticks another install on the device? I wanted to get a vzw S4 until I learned I'd be stuck with the original bloated OS installed along the one I want (if I'm understanding it correctly)
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Pretty much
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charlie-n said:
safestrap.
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If you can flash a custom ROM with said "safestrap," what's the point of having an unlocked bootloader? What can you do with an unlocked bootloader that you can't do without one?
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If you can flash a custom ROM with said "safestrap," what's the point of having an unlocked bootloader? What can you do with an unlocked bootloader that you can't do without one?
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You can flash other versions on your phone. I unlocked my bootloader and flashed the Verizon version, just because. I came from a Latin American version of the phone.
RagnaParadise said:
You can flash other versions on your phone. I unlocked my bootloader and flashed the Verizon version, just because. I came from a Latin American version of the phone.
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I don't quite understand what you mean by "flashing other versions on your phone." My question is what's the advantage of having an unlocked bootloader. Also, are there any disadvantages of flashing a custom ROM with a safestrap?
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I don't quite understand what you mean by "flashing other versions on your phone." My question is what's the advantage of having an unlocked bootloader. Also, are there any disadvantages of flashing a custom ROM with a safestrap?
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Normally, it's to allow you to flash a custom recovery, so that you can flash the plethora of zips you can find. The disadvantage with safestrap is what I said above: It's a hack that leaves the original OS on the phone, just sitting there taking up space. You know how the S4's only came with 9 GBs free on the 16 GBs? Well, if I bought a verizon one, I'd have to safestrap CM or whatever on to the phone, so I'd be left with the original TW hog and then lose more space to CM. I mean, if you can deal with that then you're golden. But it is still a disadvantage. And I wouldn't do it (which is why I ended up not buying the S4, even though I really wanted it).
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Normally, it's to allow you to flash a custom recovery, so that you can flash the plethora of zips you can find. The disadvantage with safestrap is what I said above: It's a hack that leaves the original OS on the phone, just sitting there taking up space. You know how the S4's only came with 9 GBs free on the 16 GBs? Well, if I bought a verizon one, I'd have to safestrap CM or whatever on to the phone, so I'd be left with the original TW hog and then lose more space to CM. I mean, if you can deal with that then you're golden. But it is still a disadvantage. And I wouldn't do it (which is why I ended up not buying the S4, even though I really wanted it).
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So if I want to replace the original OS with another ROM I'd have no choice but to unlock the bootloader and use a custom recovery? Also, is it possible that an OTA update could break the safestrap, or stop it from working anymore?
Ok, rather than this unnecessary back and forth, if you have Verizon and "flashing custom ROMS is a must for me" like you say then just get the Verizon Developer Edition which has an unlocked bootloader and be done with it.
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Ok, rather than this unnecessary back and forth, if you have Verizon and "flashing custom ROMS is a must for me" like you say then just get the Verizon Developer Edition which has an unlocked bootloader and be done with it.
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I was simply trying to understand if there's any practical advantage of having an unlocked bootloader vs. using other methods such as a safestrap. If I can get a custom Moto X at a discounted price on a 2-year contract, I'd much rather go that route instead of paying the retail price for a Developer Edition.
Okay, got a strange question here. I plan on going from the N5 to the unlocked GSM MotoMaker Moto X version. All I want is root with stock recovery (don't really care for a custom recovery, plus I'd like to still receive OTAs). Can I unlock the Moto X bootloader, load TWRP recovery (instead of flash), and then install SuperSU? Or do I *have* to flash TWRP to achieve root?
correct me if im wrong, but I think you can "unlock the Moto X bootloader, load TWRP recovery (instead of flash), and then install SuperSU".
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use one of the methods in the original android development section to achieve root.
c19932 said:
correct me if im wrong, but I think you can "unlock the Moto X bootloader, load TWRP recovery (instead of flash), and then install SuperSU".
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use one of the methods in the original android development section to achieve root.
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Yes, I've looked at those threads. However, in 4.4, a backdoor needs to be introduced in order to maintain root. I'd rather not have to do that and I don't mind unlocking bootloaders. This will be my first, non-Nexus device in awhile, so I just wanted to make sure I can just unlocked the bootloader, load a custom recovery, flash SuperSU and then just have root.
TheCuban said:
Yes, I've looked at those threads. However, in 4.4, a backdoor needs to be introduced in order to maintain root. I'd rather not have to do that and I don't mind unlocking bootloaders. This will be my first, non-Nexus device in awhile, so I just wanted to make sure I can just unlocked the bootloader, load a custom recovery, flash SuperSU and then just have root.
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Just unlock your boot loader, flash twrp recovery and finally flash supersu and you're good to go. Ota's can not be accepted and flashed with root or custom recovery on the moto
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flashallthetime said:
Just unlock your boot loader, flash twrp recovery and finally flash supersu and you're good to go. Ota's can not be accepted and flashed with root or custom recovery on the moto
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Thanks! That's what I thought! I didn't know that root removed the ability to accept OTAs?
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Thanks! That's what I thought! I didn't know that root removed the ability to accept OTAs?
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On the moto yes, nexus devices are a different beast
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Hi I am planing my first root and I am honestly a little confused. I am on TMobile with 4.4 KitKat (Moto X).
I understand how to unlock the Bootloader and that I need to install TWRP before I can activate SU.
I am just not sure about the bugs (if any) with TWRP and what version to use.
The reason for my concern is on the TWRP website the Moto X is not listed as a supported device.
Is this video Tutorial still valid - is this how to do it with 4.4 KitKat?
And is this the latest version that works (what are the known bugs)?
So I have an unlockable bootloader XT1058. Currently running 4.4.2 I wanted to root, but have read rooting includes downgrading and doing things I'm not too comfortable in doing (image flashing has claimed one of my phones before). So I was thinking, installing CWM or TWRP looks actually simpler than rooting the phone. I really don't care about losing data on the phone, but would like to do a nandroid before installing a custom ROM. So the question is: can I Install custom recovery, do a nandroid and flash custom ROM without first rooting?
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So I have an unlockable bootloader XT1058. Currently running 4.4.2 I wanted to root, but have read rooting includes downgrading and doing things I'm not too comfortable in doing (image flashing has claimed one of my phones before). So I was thinking, installing CWM or TWRP looks actually simpler than rooting the phone. I really don't care about losing data on the phone, but would like to do a nandroid before installing a custom ROM. So the question is: can I Install custom recovery, do a nandroid and flash custom ROM without first rooting?
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Return it for a developer edition moto , cause you're never ever going to be able the flash custom recovery with a locked boot loader
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
flashallthetime said:
Return it for a developer edition moto , cause you're never ever going to be able the flash custom recovery with a locked boot loader
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Did you read at all?? I have an UNLOCKABLE bootloader.. Not locked...
IonAphis said:
Did you read at all?? I have an UNLOCKABLE bootloader.. Not locked...
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Nice temper ya got there.
Technically ...an unlockable boot loader would mean you have the only Moto x in existence that has a boot loader incapable of being locked. Ever. Lol
Also....did you read at all? If you mean to say your boot loader is unlocked, then flashing a custom recovery and rooting is the easiest thing in the world to do. And the info on doing it is all over the Moto x forums.......but.....you'd have to read. it's no different than doing it on a nexus. Just a hint.
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Did you read at all?? I have an UNLOCKABLE bootloader.. Not locked...
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You change it from locked to unlocked, so unlock it flash recovery and you can do what ever you want from there
Rooting is up to you but most people root , you don't need to
Yes I would suggest doing a nandroid prior to rooting of the stock system img
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
kj2112 said:
Nice temper ya got there.
Technically ...an unlockable boot loader would mean you have the only Moto x in existence that has boot loader incapable of being locked.
Also....did you read at all? If you mean to say your boot loader is unlocked, then flashing a custom recovery and rooting is the easiest thing in the world to do. And the info on doing it is all over the Moto x forums.......but.....you'd have to read.
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Sorry for the response, I'm on the phone and didn't really measure my response.. The thing I wanted to know is if my bootloader is unlocked, can I install custom recovery and do a nandroid without first having root or is root necessary to install custom recovery and backup?
IonAphis said:
Sorry for the response, I'm on the phone and didn't really measure my response.. The thing I wanted to know is if my bootloader is unlocked, can I install custom recovery and do a nandroid without first having root or is root necessary to install custom recovery and backup?
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Root is not required. Unlock bootloader, mfastboot flash recovery, boot into recovery and you can nondroid back up.
IonAphis said:
Sorry for the response, I'm on the phone and didn't really measure my response.. The thing I wanted to know is if my bootloader is unlocked, can I install custom recovery and do a nandroid without first having root or is root necessary to install custom recovery and backup?
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Never have I flashed a custom recovery and not immediately rooted after. So try it. It'll work or it won't. LOL
Why not root? Its simple. Twrp will do it for you even.
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Root is not required. Unlock bootloader, mfastboot flash recovery, boot into recovery and you can nondroid back up.
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OK thanks. I just read somewhere that to do the nandroid you had to have root since you could not access certain directories... I've had Nexus phones for the last 3 phones so I'm not used to all this knieving and shady proceedings to install root and ROMs
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Never have I flashed a custom recovery and not immediately rooted after. So try it. It'll work or it won't. LOL
Why not root? Its simple. Twrp will do it for you even.
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So the slapmymoto thing is just for those people with locked bootloader???
IonAphis said:
OK thanks. I just read somewhere that to do the nandroid you had to have root since you could not access certain directories... I've had Nexus phones for the last 3 phones so I'm not used to all this knieving and shady proceedings to install root and ROMs
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An unlocked Moto x is no different than a nexus at all. As far as rooting and installing roms.
Except maybe backward compatibility. My N7 today I flashed the 4.2.2 bootloader....from kit kat and flashed a 4.2.2 rom after. That won't work on an x.
But as long as you're not trying to go back in versions....the procedure for the x and a nexus are nearly identical. Unlocked bootloader x's of course.
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So the slapmymoto thing is just for those people with locked bootloader???
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Yes
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IonAphis said:
So I have an unlockable bootloader XT1058. Currently running 4.4.2 I wanted to root, but have read rooting includes downgrading and doing things I'm not too comfortable in doing (image flashing has claimed one of my phones before). So I was thinking, installing CWM or TWRP looks actually simpler than rooting the phone. I really don't care about losing data on the phone, but would like to do a nandroid before installing a custom ROM. So the question is: can I Install custom recovery, do a nandroid and flash custom ROM without first rooting?
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how to install TWRP on locked bootloader droid turbo su4tl-49 ?
1) Unlock your bootloader via Sunshine. Sunshine works on SUTL-49.
2) Install TWRP.
ChazzMatt said:
1) Unlock your bootloader via Sunshine. Sunshine works on SUTL-49.
2) Install TWRP.
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INSTRUCTIONS here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3292684
Hi Thanks for your reply, There is any free tool for unlocking bootloader ?? Aur any other method to Unlock bootloader ??
umairks123 said:
Hi Thanks for your reply, There is any free tool for unlocking bootloader ?? Aur any other method to Unlock bootloader ??
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no, sunshine is the only way. it is well worth the $25. I recommend doing it now before the 6.0 update makes it impossible
Now I think I can install nougat 7 on my droid turbo without unlocking the bootloader, I saw the method like Download the Nougat 7 Rom and Gapps file, Copy into the Internal Storage and from recovery mode Flash the Nougat 7 and Gapps.
That's it.
It is possible ??
umairks123 said:
Now I think I can install nougat 7 on my droid turbo without unlocking the bootloader, I saw the method like Download the Nougat 7 Rom and Gapps file, Copy into the Internal Storage and from recovery mode Flash the Nougat 7 and Gapps.
That's it.
It is possible ??
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No. It is not. You have to have the bootloader unlocked to flash anything like this. If you try without unlocking at best it will fail, at worst you will brick the phone.
umairks123 said:
Now I think I can install nougat 7 on my droid turbo without unlocking the bootloader, I saw the method like Download the Nougat 7 Rom and Gapps file, Copy into the Internal Storage and from recovery mode Flash the Nougat 7 and Gapps.
That's it.
It is possible ??
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With 5.1 (and beyond, if it ever comes) you have to unlock the bootloader to install any ROM on the Droid Turbo, and on the Droid Turbo unlocking the bootloader costs money. Blame Verizon. The other Quarks have free bootloader unlock from Motorola.
You don't understand how many THOUSAND TIMES we've had this discussion. People even dig up old threads (back in the 4.4.4 era) to ask the question again, as if the answer if going to change. Then they go start a NEW thread to ask the same question.
So i suspect this has been answered as well, but I'm unfamiliar with Android development, but if I unlock via sunshine can Verizon relock it via OTA?
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So i suspect this has been answered as well, but I'm unfamiliar with Android development, but if I unlock via sunshine can Verizon relock it via OTA?
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So far they have not. But they always CLOSE the current exploits. So, you do not want to take OTA before you unlock the bootloader! Or you may never be able to do so.
Also, if you unlock the bootloader, usually you are also going to install TWRP recovery (so you can make a backup and have the ability to flash installation zips). At that point any future OTA from Verizon would fail to install because you have significantly changed the "system". That's OK. All OTAs are usually posted here in XDA and many other places, in a format which you can flash manually. You want to do that anyway, to let someone else be the guinea pig tester on just the question you asked.
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So far they have not. But they always CLOSE the current exploits. So, you do not want to take OTA before you unlock the bootloader! Or you may never be able to do so.
Also, if you unlock the bootloader, usually you are also going to install TWRP recovery (so you can make a backup and have the ability to flash installation zips). At that point any future OTA from Verizon would fail to install because you have significantly changed the "system". That's OK. All OTAs are usually posted here in XDA and many other places, in a format which you can flash manually. You want to do that anyway, to let someone else be the guinea pig tester on just the question you asked.
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Thanks for the excellent explanation.. gonna unlock twerp and flash later today.
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