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Is it worth buying Note 1 in 2013.

Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
Darren Moffatt said:
Screen Resolution will always have an impact on performance. The more pixels to display, the harder the GPU has to work. Given the note has a significantly higher resolution than the Galaxy S2 while running the same GPU (and pretty much the same hardware overall), its unlikely you'll see the same graphics performance between the two devices.
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vegetables said:
They got the same chipset, and that's exactly the problem, that's why the note is always laggy unlike the incredible smoothness on S2 , you r comparing:
- 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density) ~> S2
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- 800 x 1280 pixels, 5.3 inches (~285 ppi pixel density) ~> Note 1
How could the same chipset handle bigger screen, higher resolution and more ppi ?
And even with CM kernel, it even laggs more and more
The solution? ~> buy Note 2 xD
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If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.

I was keen on getting Nexus 4 but it's not available in India. Btw, my current phone is Motorola Defy. It's terrible to say the least. All I want to know if it will function lag free in day to day performance and some gaming?
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little-vince said:
Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
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i dont really understand the " buy note 2 " thing. because it has the same gpu as the note 1.

note 1 is still a worthy device to have because at present it can run every app that is in the play store.
but soon it will not be enough.
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rashsalmn said:
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...

RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.

Sinker_UK said:
I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I agree with you up to a certain extent. However I wish to raise the following points-
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
I don't like the 16:10 aspect ratio
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.
Yes, there will be just one more update to 4.2.2 and then Samsung will drop support.
Out here in India, Nexus 4 isn't even available officially.
@op I wouldn't buy this phone if I were you. Get something from the newer generation or get the note2 secondhand when the note 3 comes out - doubtless there will be more than one idiot willing to throw away a perfectly good phone for the latest and greatest.
However if you want a phone that 'just works' and developer support is important then go for a Sony.
What am I getting ? The next nexus. But that's because I'm a flashaholic !

BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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howard bamber said:
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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It will be two years this October....

warfareonly said:
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.!
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I'm not sure that's the case. The Exynos 4 is still in current hardware, such as the S3, Note 2 and Note 8. The Exynos 5 is in the Nexus 10 and is expected to show up in the S4 at some point. All of these devices have a huge amount of aftermarket dev support.
warfareonly said:
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
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Again, we need to compare on price, not hardware specs. I don't know how much the Note sells for in India, but compare that with what's available in the same price bracket. The Note cannot now compete with the latest and greatest, nor the previous top models perhaps, but I'm sure it would fair very well indeed against the current mid-range crop.
As for the Dual / Quad core arguement, check what Anand says when he reviews the Note 8 and talks about Multiview:
Here’s where having four cores actually can make a difference.
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Meaning that in general 4 cores are not really any more useful than 2 unless you have something that specifically can benefit.

wait for note 3
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RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.

rxpaul said:
While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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I M Talking about NOTE II Not Craps with Mediatek Chipsets

IMHO if u dont' already own a Note 1, u should go for the Note 2, or wait for Note 3 =)

♡ for my note. Its my personal computing device and my diary and album
Get any note device and you will be a happy person.
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[Q] Looking for Note 3 Comparable China phone

I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?

w4rped said:
I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?
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Answered my own question. Check it out.
http://www.chinaecarts.com/samsung-...ore-20ghz-13mp-camera-32gb-4g-lte-p-3934.html
it's a clone with 8 cores, 3 gig of ram, and 4g capable in the us.
sweet.

Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Jammol said:
Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Took a longer look at it. Looks like an extreme scam. He wrote in an email to me that he cannot do paypal because they "do not allow clones" and would "freeze his account". He also states that the only way to order from him is to send western union or wire transfer. The wire transfer option states "do not put an order number anywhere on the transfer or it will get denied by his bank. And obviously everyone knows western union should never be used for any transactions because it is so unsafe. Now... Why would a reputable company say all that? Paypal in fact does not care what you sell since they just handle money. Wire transfers with no order number on them simply makes it easier for them to say you sent it of your own free will and they don't owe you anything. Seems scammish to me.
The other thing is that the new MTK6592 (octacore) with 4g LTE capability just came out this month. According to every other site that I have searched, no 4g LTE version of MTK6592 will be available in a phone until, at the earliest, after the chinese new year (starts jan 31). So again... scammish. I have read reviews about people who got phones from them, but they didnt get what they were told, and that they were scammed out of money. I don't have 350 to risk on a possible scam. I will likely not be waiting for the 4g china phones to come out. The goophone v92 pro is one, the THL monkey king 2 is another. There are likely going to be a lot more soon, but those are two that are being presold now. There are a ton of other phones out there though that get H+ in the us and look great. Elephone p8 being one that is comparable size to the note 3 (5.8 inches and 27k on antutu). There is also a really nice 6.5 inch one called inew i6000+ which I like. Both are at or under 300$ which is a far cry less than the 500 for a note 3. As long as you don't mind the wait, china products are awesome. I've bought and will buy them again. Just get a site that accepts paypal so there is protection on your end. www.pandawill.com is always good, thought they take 2-10 business days to ship usually and then however long it takes to get over seas. There are a ton of china sites that actually work though if you search. PAYPAL ONLY THOUGH!

for $400 US might as well get a legit real one.

I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?

seh6183 said:
I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?
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Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.

w4rped said:
Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.
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You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**

seh6183 said:
You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.

performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.

w4rped said:
As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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I wish you luck in your future endeavours.

billaboy25 said:
performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.
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There is no legit phone of the model that I am looking at. I have not been looking at the note 3 clone at all. I was momentarily looking at it because I thought it was the same thing. Now I am looking at other chinese phones that are not made in America. The phones are reputable manufacturers that have millions of buyers. I am not looking at clones because I don't think it makes sense to get a clone. I suggest you take a look at the chinese brands out there, they have a huge following. ZOPO t1000 looks really nice but it's not out yet. Just because something isn't made for america doesnt make it bad. In fact, a lot of the phones made outside of the US are amazing. Either way, I ended up finding a really cheap note 3 and scooped it so all this is moot. But I will definitely be looking a lot harder at the chinese brand phones now that they are going to be offering 4g on them. I do suggest you take a harder look though, you are very biased against them, and they really aren't as bad as you make them out to be. In most cases people would be very happy with a cheaper foreign make phone instead of the overpriced overbloated crap that american consumers are used to. For the same technology they charge less. China is all open source, they really are ahead of the curve on phones if you really look at it. You can actually get the "foreign" make phones that are the same brands we get in the US, but they are VASTLY different. The dual sim note 2 is just one example. Take a look at them, you likely will be happy with at least one of em if you let yourself be.

w4rped said:
As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.

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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.
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I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!

w4rped said:
I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!
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Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.

seh6183 said:
Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.
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Again, I am not saying they are all better. American phones, and I mean american CARRIED phones, are in general garbage. The new Zoppo t1000 has great specs if you look at them. The only phones that really are better in america are the flagship devices. I would never buy an american phone that was not a flagship. I would however buy a lot of the various chinese phones. As far as the warranty... I don't really care about warranty guarantees. I've never even used one, and I get all my phones second hand anyways. No warranty there. Either way, it's preference, you just don't like non american phones. I don't really care where they come from.

Ex-iPhone user livid for the note 4

Hi everyone,
I've had the iPhone 4 for the last 4 years, and befor that I had the 3 version for 2 years.
Right now, I'm looking for a change and it looks the note 4 will be my choice.
I've been reading this forum thoroughly for the last few days and it looked to me that the Exynos version would be right up my alley (I'm more in it for multi tasking than gaming so octa core would be better suited).
So, I've been reading all about the different versions and the SM 910-C looks to me that has 4G compatibility in Portugal... however, I cannot find it anywhere. it's kind'a driving me off... Over here the only release will be the snapdragon one (tomorrow)
Can anyone direct me to a decent and serious shop from where I could order the note 4 I want (keeping in mind that I'd like to have the warranty if anything happens)?
thanks in advance for your help. Looking forward to reading more around these foruns..

hi, all i can say if you can't find Exynos model, you won't be sorry with a Snapdragon. It can also do multi tasking very, very good. To me the better option overall is Snapdragon for various reasons. ( I Have other Exynos devices and they are to me similar overall.) Good luck whatever you choose.!

willcor said:
hi, all i can say if you can't find Exynos model, you won't be sorry with a Snapdragon. It can also do multi tasking very, very good. To me the better option overall is Snapdragon for various reasons. ( I Have other Exynos devices and they are to me similar overall.) Good luck whatever you choose.!
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thanks for your reply...
I was after the Exynos version due to the fact of being octa core (just like the Alpha which tells me that the chips must be going really well), 64 bit (in the long run i'm guessing this should mean more compatibility with future OS's)...
anyone knows a good place to order them?

lgass said:
thanks for your reply...
I was after the Exynos version due to the fact of being octa core (just like the Alpha which tells me that the chips must be going really well), 64 bit (in the long run i'm guessing this should mean more compatibility with future OS's)...
anyone knows a good place to order them?
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None of that will actually make a tangible difference in day to day usage of the device. Just buy whichever version is sold in your preferred shop and enjoy the phone. The Exynos chip doesn't have any clear advantages just by having more cores, it and the snapdragon are overall very similar to each other in most aspects.
The 64 bit is pretty much irrelevant too as it's unlikely the Note 4 will actually get an upgrade to enable the 64 bit functionality in the Exynos model. Samsung have always tried to keep the differences between SD/Exynos powered phones as small as possible, so it's very unlikely that they'll cause a big split in the phones by updating one to run 64 bit software. Even if it does get updated to use it, in actual practical use you're unlikely to notice much difference in performance.
So honestly, just get hold of whichever phone you can and enjoy it!

The Exynos isn't truly an Octa core cpu, it only uses 4 cores at one time. Samsung isn't going to use 64bit on the Note 4 in the future. Samsung have actually just rebranded the Note 4 Cpu and will use its 64bit capability later devices. Snapdragon is fine.

boy, do I feel stupid for going through 60+ pages on threads around here and trying to get the differences between both devices.
I am new to the Android world and was looking for a device that could last more than just until Note 5 is released (I bought my iPhone 4 on release... 4 years is an eternity for a smarthphone nowadays).
that being said, I figured the Exynos would probaably be better suited and you guys who actually understand about that stuff say that is all the same...
Does the fact that Nexus 6 is 64 bit influence anything for future "stock" updates? Will I my phone lifespan updatewhise be afected by that?
I am sorry if these look like noob questions to you...

The Nexus 6 is not 64bit, in fact, the Nexus 6 uses exactly the same CPU/GPU as the Note 4, Snapdragon 805 with Adreno 420, that means the Snapdragon Note 4 will get a ton of support.
The Nexus 9 tablet is the 64bit one of the two and uses a NVidia CPU.

lgass said:
boy, do I feel stupid for going through 60+ pages on threads around here and trying to get the differences between both devices.
I am new to the Android world and was looking for a device that could last more than just until Note 5 is released (I bought my iPhone 4 on release... 4 years is an eternity for a smarthphone nowadays).
that being said, I figured the Exynos would probaably be better suited and you guys who actually understand about that stuff say that is all the same...
Does the fact that Nexus 6 is 64 bit influence anything for future "stock" updates? Will I my phone lifespan updatewhise be afected by that?
I am sorry if these look like noob questions to you...
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The nexus 6 isn't 64bit

[Q] Is is too late to switch to the Nexus 6?

So, I am on Sprint and currently have the Note 3 which I love but has given me nothing but problems. Is it too late at this point to switch to the Nexus 6? Should I hold out another month or two since all the new phones will be coming out in Feb-April? I absolutely love getting a new phone but I hate how fast they move. The Nexus 6 just came out and in 2 months or so, it will already be outdated. Just drives me nuts. So, whats your opinions? Should I suck it up and hold out, or just upgrade now?

Just buy one, this will happen with every phone release. Something better is always around the corner

I wouldn't say the N6 will be outdated.... I would say everything else will catch up to it... What do you think is coming out in the future? The Note 4 just came out......
They aren't even rolling out Lollipop to other devices anytime soon so it still always has that edge as well....
Sent from my Nexus 6

I just joined the Nexus world on Friday with a Nexus 6, I have to say regardless of what others might say I love this phone. Given that Nexus 4 is receiving all the updates, I would say by the time your contract is up the Nexus 6 will still actually be current... just my 2 cents... btw if you have the drop you phone syndrome (like me) I would suggest investing in a decent case. My son in law dropped his Iphone6 2 days after getting it.... then put a case on....

I'm just worried. There's a couple small things missing in the nexus that i want in my next phone and i really want the snapdragon 810 when that comes out. I really wanted the Xperia Z3 but that didn't make it to sprint and I've been thinking the Galaxy S6 or the Xperia Z4 if it makes it to Sprint. The screen size and resolution of the nexus 6 with Qi Charging are what really keep me coming back to considering it. No sdcard has me really worried. I have 32GB internal now and 32 sdcard and I've had to delete stuff.
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^ both valid points.
A phone announced in April doesn't make its way out until a month (if not more) later and by then it's already halfway to the next nexus announcement.

If you are waiting on the 810, you might want to check today's news as it looks like it will be delayed... in Google news search snapdragon 810... 64 gb and you have to delete stuff?? dude what you got on there? Sounds like you need a phone with 128 gb capacity..... I generally keep stuff up on dropbox or google drive if it is not used often....

Its never too late, this phone will have a long life. Even the Nexus 4 still have active development.
Snapdragon 810... doesn't really matter, our hardware is already good as it is. I care more about development over hardware. You have to keep in mind that you can have the best of the best when it comes to hardware specification but if the software is not well optimized, then your hardware isn't going to do anything as it'll consume more processing power, RAM, etc.

Gage_Hero said:
If you are waiting on the 810, you might want to check today's news as it looks like it will be delayed... in Google news search snapdragon 810... 64 gb and you have to delete stuff?? dude what you got on there? Sounds like you need a phone with 128 gb capacity..... I generally keep stuff up on dropbox or google drive if it is not used often....
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What are you talking about LG Flex2 already is out with 810.
You will see a lot of new phones with 810 at MWC.
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MrKaon said:
What are you talking about LG Flex2 already is out with 810.
You will see a lot of new phones with 810 at MWC.
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The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.

zephiK said:
The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.
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There is no delay what so ever regarding 810 as been said by Qualcomm.
Also there is a Note 4 with 810 for Korean market only, info.
Btw LG Flex2 is not a prototype, it is real deal. Will be launched next month in Vodafone UK exclusively for 6 weeks, also LG taking pre orders at Amazon Germany.
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The note 4 in Korea was not a snapdragon 810. Same as in all the others.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8805/samsung-launches-the-galaxy-note-4-ltea

zephiK said:
The phone isn't released or sold, it was announced with a pre-release 810 chip onboard with a prototype.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2015/01/133_171341.html its rumored that the Snapdragon 810 is having issues. If it has those issues, it will delay the phone because Qualcomm will need to fix the issues before mass producing a defective chip.
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HAHAHA LOL.
Did you read that article?
A hilarious line reads as "and its clock rate, an index representing a processor's performance, was estimated to be lower than its predecessor, the Snapdragon 805".
*** clock rate is NOT an "index representing a processor's performance". A clock rate is a clock rate is a clock rate. Nothing more. And yes, we ALL KNOW that the A57 cores have a lower clock rate than current 32bit ARM chips... but no matter, because they do WAY MORE WORK PER CYCLE.
Another bit of comedy: "According to the mobile chipset benchmark Geekbench, the Snapdragon 810 had a serious "throttling" problem that forcibly limits the graphic processing performance when it overheats."
*** so I suppose they would rather that it MELTS when it overheats, rather than throttling back to safety? Note that this only means that those people RAN Geekbench, not that anyone technically associated with Geekbench software made any comment... this is a highly misleading statement. Are they even aware that PHONES do NOT have active cooling (a fan)? They aren't designed or intended to run at a high rate for hours on end. They are intended to work for short bursts intermittently. If they become heat soaked, they need time to cool off. They ALWAYS benchmark better when you put them in the freezer.
Just incredible what kind of bogus article that is....
*** which isn't to say that the chip won't have some first run issues. I'm currently running a first generation Qualcomm Krait. It happens to be loaded with problems. We get around most of them, but the killer awesome feature they added to these cores... which is supposed to let them track and control the voltage supply automatically rather than being table driven... is a bit hit or miss. If the chip cranks up too quickly, it doesn't compensate correctly and undervolts, triggering a random reboot. We've managed to get it in line so it happens... "rarely", but it still does happen. And so, I'm willing to let the first run or two of the Qualcomm 810's go through before jumping onto it. The current "soon to be available" lg gflex2 phone also really doesn't interest me because I just know that I (or someone else) would end up sitting on it and snapping it in half. I'm thinking that if the next Nexus will run something like that, I may just go for that.

cj.lyon21 said:
So, I am on Sprint and currently have the Note 3 which I love but has given me nothing but problems. Is it too late at this point to switch to the Nexus 6? Should I hold out another month or two since all the new phones will be coming out in Feb-April? I absolutely love getting a new phone but I hate how fast they move. The Nexus 6 just came out and in 2 months or so, it will already be outdated. Just drives me nuts. So, whats your opinions? Should I suck it up and hold out, or just upgrade now?
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Please hold out for the new phones. Snapdragon 810 is going to be epic. Nexus 6 is very good but if you need 64 bit 810 and MicroSD support, then wait for Z4 / Z4 Ultra. That means you would have to make do with Note 3 for the next 3-4 months minimum.
If you can survive with Note 3, then, wait for 3-4 months, else, buy Nexus 6

Galaxy note 5 is the new Windows 8

I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!

Galaxaster said:
I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.

POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.

Toss3 said:
Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.

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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.

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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.

POLO_i780 said:
Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..

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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
EDIT:
Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
Claiming:
4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.

Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.

Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)

So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....

POLO_i780 said:
You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.

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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.

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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.

Toss3 said:
I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/

Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!

bonerp said:
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.

Toss3 said:
Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.