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Like many of you, I've had my phone for over two years now - that's quite some time! In the span of time I've owned this phone, I never unlocked the bootloader, rooted, installed a custom ROM, flashed any unofficial updates or modified anything in any way.
However, performance has decreased. A lot. Apps take a lot of time to open, the launcher reloads on the regular, SystemUI crashes on a weekly basis, some apps fail to start and they only finally run after multiple attempts. And, even though i set my SD card as internal storage, not many apps can be moved there and it's all fighting for storage in the narrow narrow internal storage partition. The RAM situation is even worse, with apps like Spotify and Chrome being killed all the time. Install one App too much and watch everything lose frames.
The Moto G5 Plus looks like a fantastic phone, but since I'm waiting for its value to drop to a more appropriate price tag, it looks like my next upgrade is not as close as I would like it to be. And since I don't want to keep wanting to throw my Moto on the floor every single day, I've been getting my feet wet into the modding world and what a custom ROM is and what Greenify is etc etc.
However, I've heard very mixed feelings about custom ROMs. Say, if I were to install the official LineageOS 14.1 from the LineageOS website, without root, would it be worth it? What compromises have to be made? Does it really improve performance and battery life? Is the stability ready for daily usage? And also, does the camera quality change? I haven't been able to find an answer for any of these questions. In short - is it worth the trouble or is the stock ROM just better after all? I don't care about root (I'd rather NOT have it, even), I don't care about customization, themes, XPosed or whatnot. I just want a ROM that I can flash on my phone, install my Apps on it, use it until my Moto G5 Plus ships and then completely forget it's a custom ROM.
I tell you my opinion:
I think the CYAN project, now lineage, is a wonderful thing for those who want and have time to spare to look for how to push the most of your device, but I must say that the only solution to have an efficient phone is to give up the app superfluous and wipe useless data on the internal memory. In this way with the latest stock my motog 2014 goes very well.
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I have Moto G XT1068 since novembre 2014 and i think it's nowaday a good phone.
Remember that i dont' play games.
My phone had stock rom until 1 month ago and i went very well with stock rom.
Every 4/6 months i used to have a factory reset also erasing my sd and the system is always good.
From 1 month i use LineageOS and it's good.
Some settings are missing, like the ability to deactivate sim cards, but everything else works.
Battery is, in my opinion, better that stock, but take in mind i use a task killer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rhythm.hexise.task
There are some things that i made, like deactivating some apps from lineage like camera, browser, gallery, calculator, cLock, calendar, email, music, weather service. I replaced them with Google Apps, while for gallery and Camera i use the same Moto G 2014 camera and gallery from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/themes-apps/official-motorola-camerav5-0-21-4-t3121709
Camera app from Lineage in my opinion is terrible: hdr freezes, too much settings and confusing; i love Moto G2014 stock camera, but with Lineage slow motion doesn't work; likely it works in Lineage.
Very good battery, system is stable and fast, you have one hand mode, you have screen splitting, you have lots of quick settings personalible.
In my opinion is hust ready to be a daybyday rom, more efficient than stock 6.0, hoping next nightlies don't have problems, that can succeed.
But with regular twrp backup i don't think youll'have problems.
SuperFrancis said:
I tell you my opinion:
I think the CYAN project, now lineage, is a wonderful thing for those who want and have time to spare to look for how to push the most of your device, but I must say that the only solution to have an efficient phone is to give up the app superfluous and wipe useless data on the internal memory. In this way with the latest stock my motog 2014 goes very well.
sorry for poor english
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Thank you, I'm going to do some more spring cleaning then. I'm definitely not interested in babysitting my software every day. I went through that phase on iOS with jailbreak and daemons, and all in all it was not worth it. I deleted some Apps and gave up the Google Now Launcher in favour of the leaner Evie launcher and I must say the situation has improved tangibly! The biggest improvement was after getting rid of Snapchat. Instagram stories does it anyway. Still, there are some combos that are still really prohibitive (Namely, Chrome + Spotify and Sworkit + Spotify), but it's a bit better. Battery life still sucks at just a little more than 2h screen on time with light usage, but since I don't have much off time and since I typically don't use my phone a lot during it, it's not a debilitating problem right now. However, I know that during summer having so little battery life will be unpractical, and by then I'll be looking to upgrade!
SuperFrancis said:
I tell you my opinion:
I think the CYAN project, now lineage, is a wonderful thing for those who want and have time to spare to look for how to push the most of your device, but I must say that the only solution to have an efficient phone is to give up the app superfluous and wipe useless data on the internal memory. In this way with the latest stock my motog 2014 goes very well.
sorry for poor english
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bostro said:
I have Moto G XT1068 since novembre 2014 and i think it's nowaday a good phone.
Remember that i dont' play games.
My phone had stock rom until 1 month ago and i went very well with stock rom.
Every 4/6 months i used to have a factory reset also erasing my sd and the system is always good.
From 1 month i use LineageOS and it's good.
Some settings are missing, like the ability to deactivate sim cards, but everything else works.
Battery is, in my opinion, better that stock, but take in mind i use a task killer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rhythm.hexise.task
There are some things that i made, like deactivating some apps from lineage like camera, browser, gallery, calculator, cLock, calendar, email, music, weather service. I replaced them with Google Apps, while for gallery and Camera i use the same Moto G 2014 camera and gallery from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/themes-apps/official-motorola-camerav5-0-21-4-t3121709
Camera app from Lineage in my opinion is terrible: hdr freezes, too much settings and confusing; i love Moto G2014 stock camera, but with Lineage slow motion doesn't work; likely it works in Lineage.
Very good battery, system is stable and fast, you have one hand mode, you have screen splitting, you have lots of quick settings personalible.
In my opinion is hust ready to be a daybyday rom, more efficient than stock 6.0, hoping next nightlies don't have problems, that can succeed.
But with regular twrp backup i don't think youll'have problems.
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Thank you, I'll be considering this option as well! I'm glad the CM Apps can be disabled since they are pretty basic compared to Google's counterparts and I don't like having a double copy of everything. And I agree - I had to install Cyanogenmod on a cheap Chinese phone (Luckily it's not the phone I use daily.) and the camera and gallery apps were just atrocious. As for the WebView Chrome comes with one so it's good. As of right now, I've been able to improve performance a bit following the recommendations from another user, so I'll see whether to install LOS or now.
bostro said:
I have Moto G XT1068 since novembre 2014 and i think it's nowaday a good phone.
Remember that i dont' play games.
My phone had stock rom until 1 month ago and i went very well with stock rom.
Every 4/6 months i used to have a factory reset also erasing my sd and the system is always good.
From 1 month i use LineageOS and it's good.
Some settings are missing, like the ability to deactivate sim cards, but everything else works.
Battery is, in my opinion, better that stock, but take in mind i use a task killer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rhythm.hexise.task
There are some things that i made, like deactivating some apps from lineage like camera, browser, gallery, calculator, cLock, calendar, email, music, weather service. I replaced them with Google Apps, while for gallery and Camera i use the same Moto G 2014 camera and gallery from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/themes-apps/official-motorola-camerav5-0-21-4-t3121709
Camera app from Lineage in my opinion is terrible: hdr freezes, too much settings and confusing; i love Moto G2014 stock camera, but with Lineage slow motion doesn't work; likely it works in Lineage.
Very good battery, system is stable and fast, you have one hand mode, you have screen splitting, you have lots of quick settings personalible.
In my opinion is hust ready to be a daybyday rom, more efficient than stock 6.0, hoping next nightlies don't have problems, that can succeed.
But with regular twrp backup i don't think youll'have problems.
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Hi there! Your comment makes me want even more to try Lineage OS in my Moto g2 xt1068 as well, but I'm not even able to find out how to root my phone. You know, thinking kind of "I'm gonna make explode the poor phone because I'm really new at this"
Valtielortiz said:
Hi there! Your comment makes me want even more to try Lineage OS in my Moto g2 xt1068 as well, but I'm not even able to find out how to root my phone. You know, thinking kind of "I'm gonna make explode the poor phone because I'm really new at this"
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It's not difficult but may happen your phone has problems and goes in bootloop.
You have to learn how to:
- unlook bootloader: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/wip-unlock-bootloader-moto-g-2nd-gen-t2875728
- install recovery and root: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/xt1063-t3018818
- After that, download rom and flash via twrp: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-14-0-t3458931
Is there any way to get some improvement with the camera?
I find it slow to focus and seems to hunt around before fixing focus by which time your subject may have moved etc.
It's the only real disappoint I've had with the phone.
Try Paranoid Android
It is thr best rom for Camera
(Better than OOS and another custom roms)
See this. Works wonders.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/themes/sultanxdas-snapcam-app-manual-controls-t3614363
Like with MiUI generally apps like Game Turbo are lost and there's no alternative replacement available so later cannot set screen touch sensitivity or disable notifications in gaming, set performance mode etc.
So suppose I install LOS then are there any Game Space alternatives? Is the Los camera better than RUI?
My main reason for wishing to shift over to LOS is really weird and extremely intrusive RealmeUI behaviour which feels even more intrusive VS MIUI and AFAIK there's no 'debloated' versions of stock unlike Miui EU/MiuiRoom and dozen others.
I have just recently unlocked mine and noticed Game Space was missing like WTF Realme - why you gotta act so passive aggressive bruh!? :silly:
Then noticed today after deleting photos even from third party apps they'll come back as the default gallery maintains a log and cache by itself - thats the last straw for me! Cant have the fookin OS track my gallery too and try to babysit me "in case I want to recover in 30days".
I got my Redmi Note 10 Pro a couple of weeks ago and I'm really liking it except for some issues. MIUI feels really bloated and sluggish even after using the adb tools to remove most of the pre-installed garbage. Battery life has been really disappointing even after going to 60hz and using low brightness. You also can't use a third party launcher with the full screen gestures and i hate the default launcher. I've been thinking about installing Pixel Experience as I've seen other people having better battery life and performance than on MIUI. It's also stock android so that's a cherry on top, but i don't know what sort of issues it might come with. First of all I don't know if all of my apps will work. I'm also scared that I might brick my phone and I'm not gonna be able to go back to MIUI if there are any issues. Also I might not get regular or quality updates and I don't trust the small team that works on the pixel experience rom more than Xiaomi. Can someone tell me if any of these issues exist and if it's worth it to use a custom rom? Thanks.
it is, I've been using debloated miui11 and 12 on tulip for over 2 years, it is much, much better than original miui. My wife has been using custom aicp on rn4x, and again, experience was much better, than on stock.
Apps will work in 99% cases, if not, there are tutorials how to install them. Stuff that you have to look over the most are banking apps, nfc apps and rn10p miui stock cam (which is actually better, than gcam mods now).
RN10p does not have anti rollback protection, it is generally easier to flash than smartphones based on mediatek cpus, so you must done some physical damage to actually broke this phone.
About OTA's - there are options to install ota updates on custom recovieries like skyhawk recovery project or others to twrp (this recovery does not have that option, as far as I know). If that fails, you can always install new version on top of the old.
Ok thanks a lot! Are there any suggestions you can give me on what rom i should use on the rn10p and can you give me any tips about installing and using custom roms? I'm new to this.
I've just started and installed pixel experience (normal, without plus, not sure, what is the difference between it, since even the size is the same). Firstly, you have to unlock your bootloader in order to proceed. Then make sure you've installed usb drivers for this phone (without it, you cannot unlock bootloader, for example, because miunlock does not see your phone).
About a rom - the cleaner the android, the better (mostly). If you aren't super tied to some special miui-only options (most noticeable being xiaomi account and preinstalled mi forum), then you are free to go. Phone is capable of running even fully packed android 11, so picking the lightest rom without gapps to save space doesn't have much sense these days (it had like 7 years ago, when internal storage was always a shortage). Most cool stuff are call recorder (blocked in official miui and in most european countries), small tweaks with gestures and buttons (most roms have it), tweaks like "long press menu button to torch" etc. You'll have to look for yourself later then, but for now just follow guide to install and read topics before instalation - in most cases if something goes wrong, you should be able to pick that from somebody's story. Also remember about backups of internal storage, music, photos, app installers etc, because all of it is gone with almost every operation.
Generally from MIUI there's one thing that You must take with you - camera app. So far stock is best. There are tutorials in pixel experience thread on how to install it. Also, I highly recommend root - you can make it only after unlocking bootloader, but being able to access deeper areas of system, uninstall unwanted stuff, get rid of ads etc is worth the try, especially if nowadays magisk instalation is really simple. For more advanced users, you could try to install edxposed manager to customize phone even more.
buczek0711 said:
I've just started and installed pixel experience (normal, without plus, not sure, what is the difference between it, since even the size is the same). Firstly, you have to unlock your bootloader in order to proceed. Then make sure you've installed usb drivers for this phone (without it, you cannot unlock bootloader, for example, because miunlock does not see your phone).
About a rom - the cleaner the android, the better (mostly). If you aren't super tied to some special miui-only options (most noticeable being xiaomi account and preinstalled mi forum), then you are free to go. Phone is capable of running even fully packed android 11, so picking the lightest rom without gapps to save space doesn't have much sense these days (it had like 7 years ago, when internal storage was always a shortage). Most cool stuff are call recorder (blocked in official miui and in most european countries), small tweaks with gestures and buttons (most roms have it), tweaks like "long press menu button to torch" etc. You'll have to look for yourself later then, but for now just follow guide to install and read topics before instalation - in most cases if something goes wrong, you should be able to pick that from somebody's story. Also remember about backups of internal storage, music, photos, app installers etc, because all of it is gone with almost every operation.
Generally from MIUI there's one thing that You must take with you - camera app. So far stock is best. There are tutorials in pixel experience thread on how to install it. Also, I highly recommend root - you can make it only after unlocking bootloader, but being able to access deeper areas of system, uninstall unwanted stuff, get rid of ads etc is worth the try, especially if nowadays magisk instalation is really simple. For more advanced users, you could try to install edxposed manager to customize phone even more.
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Thanks a ton for your help! I'll install pixel experience and try it out tomorrow. I'll root it and install the stock camera. Wish me luck.
Zare_ said:
I got my Redmi Note 10 Pro a couple of weeks ago and I'm really liking it except for some issues. MIUI feels really bloated and sluggish even after using the adb tools to remove most of the pre-installed garbage. Battery life has been really disappointing even after going to 60hz and using low brightness. You also can't use a third party launcher with the full screen gestures and i hate the default launcher. I've been thinking about installing Pixel Experience as I've seen other people having better battery life and performance than on MIUI. It's also stock android so that's a cherry on top, but i don't know what sort of issues it might come with. First of all I don't know if all of my apps will work. I'm also scared that I might brick my phone and I'm not gonna be able to go back to MIUI if there are any issues. Also I might not get regular or quality updates and I don't trust the small team that works on the pixel experience rom more than Xiaomi. Can someone tell me if any of these issues exist and if it's worth it to use a custom rom? Thanks.
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I'm guessing, this is a joke, right? right?
LeDiable said:
I'm guessing, this is a joke, right? right?
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Why would it be a joke? Not everyone is master of rom swapping and adb commands freshly out of the box. It is already much higher level than at least some people, who called their phones by Wrong models or keep asking for help, because they screwed their phones badly. Normal questions, if you ask me.
LeDiable said:
I'm guessing, this is a joke, right? right?
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Why would it be a joke?
buczek0711 said:
Why would it be a joke? Not everyone is master of rom swapping and adb commands freshly out of the box. It is already much higher level than at least some people, who called their phones by Wrong models or keep asking for help, because they screwed their phones badly. Normal questions, if you ask me.
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Exactly, Thanks!
I like the old one where it can detect a lot of scenes and adjust accordingly. Was nice for quick IG sharing. With the latest update it seems you only get it for night shots and macros maybe...
I don't think the camera app can be uninstalled on a stock Samsung. Samsung may update/fix it latter.
Short of the above, something you missed in settings (there are many), a firmware roll back, you could try clearing the system cache.
If you did a major upgrade ie 11 to 12, do a factory reset if you haven't already.
I stop updating firmware if the OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. Updates tend to break things. Use more, fix less...
blackhawk said:
I don't think the camera app can be uninstalled on a stock Samsung. Samsung may update/fix it latter.
Short of the above, something you missed in settings (there are many), a firmware roll back, you could try clearing the system cache.
If you did a major upgrade ie 11 to 12, do a factory reset if you haven't already.
I stop updating firmware if the OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. Updates tend to break things. Use more, fix less...
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No amount of factory resetting, cache clearing or digging into settings will help. That is how the camera functions on one UI 4. The scene optimiser has been neutered. Older features may be added to the camera in the future, but for now there's no way to get the various scenes triggered based on viewfinder context. To get that back, you have to return to one UI 3.1 or try to find a third party camera app that allows you to do so. To the best of my knowledge only the stock camera app can tap into the computational photography prowess of this phone using all lenses.
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No amount of factory resetting, cache clearing or digging into settings will help. That is how the camera functions on one UI 4. The scene optimiser has been neutered. Older features may be added to the camera in the future, but for now there's no way to get the various scenes triggered based on viewfinder context. To get that back, you have to return to one UI 3.1 or try to find a third party camera app that allows you to do so. To the best of my knowledge only the stock camera app can tap into the computational photography prowess of this phone using all lenses.
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Odd move by Samsung. At least the released that RAW camera app for when I want more raw data to work with