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[Q] Basic Question in regards to why

I would start this off by giving all the developers a big thank you! I'm not the only person here that appreciates what they have done for the community of Android and other OS based phones and tablets.
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
Why hasn't someone come up with a rom that mimic's the original purpose of the nook? What I mean by this, is create a rom that for all intents and purposes looks and acts like the original nook with the rest of the features hidden?
Again, this is just me, I still give thanks to all the developers and appreciate their hard work.

I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features

Hi,
Depends what you want from the Nook Color...
The Google Android market is not available under the stock B&N ROM, so that
is one wonderful feature either rooting or changing ROMs can you give you.
(Rumors say the next version of B&N software will have an limited B&N market)
If you use NC mainly for an eBook reader - Market access lets you also use
Amazon Kindle eBook reader, FBReader, various PDF readers and many others.
Of course there are games, music players & video players, web browsers, news
readers, weather apps, alarm clocks etc. too. Once you start installing applications
it can be interesting to change the base user interface and/or the performance of
the system - customizing & personalizing the NC can be fun too!
Or you can just use it as is, plenty of productive uses for the un-modified NC!
Peter

FroztIkon said:
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
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What you are missing is that modifying the system does not turn it into an over glorified phone.
It turns it into a Galaxy Tab that costs half the price.
The Nook Color is a tablet - onto which B&N then installed a special-purpose color e-reader operating system. By removing that operating system and installing a more general purpose Android operating system, one then has a 7 inch web tablet.
The Nook Color is well-suited to this, because B&N put a lot of their hardware $$ into a very high quality multi-touch display.
That allows the 7-inch size to show that it is the best compromise between portability and visibility.
Like a Kindle e-reader, the NC can be easily held with one hand, fits into a small bag or purse, or large coat pocket, but is large enough to clearly display a full page of text - or else a much bigger portion of a web page than a phone.

hxh103 said:
I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features
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The purpose of the device was as a reader. Why root it, change the rom only to have to download the nook app for the nook? Which is kinda the reason of the question why. Why change the entire thing, then have to download an application that makes it do what it was meant to do.
I'd love to find a rom that has all the same features of Froyo or Gingerbread that doesn't remove the B&N functionality of the reader. Meaning, its a reader without needing to download the nook app.

This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.

Atahachi said:
This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.
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No, I'm being more specific to just one device. I have a Captivate, so according to you, why would I want a modified nook color.
The true purpose of the question, which if you read up, was why modify it, just to download the app for it's purpose.

Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.

hololight said:
Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.
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I agree. It is painful and missing the stock reader is painful as well. I guess I'm missing the point of the full Droid experience.
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You modify or upgrade it firmware is to UPGRADE its functionalities, if you want to use it more than a simple eReader. You'll turn it into a tablet, and/or replace many functions of your phone which it'll be better with the large screen.

the answer can quite simple actually. alot of people didn't buy it to be a reader. they bought it because they knew it could be rooted to be a fairly competent tablet.
afaik, nothing can be really done to make it what you want (stock b&n apps with froyo/gingerbread features) until B&N releases a newer version with Froyo. Its not a matter of the devs wanting to get rid of all the stock apps. if it were possible to maintain the stock apps and incorporate them into a froyo or gingerbread build i'm absolutely sure it would have been done. but i for one don't want the community standing still waiting for B&N to update its stock rom to froyo while great roms like CM7, and Nookie Froyo go undeveloped.
you're free to stay on autonooter (stock rooted) if that's what you want.

In other words: Why on Earth would anyone want to buy something and then make it much better... for free?

Barrist said it best. I didn't buy a nook for the ereader, I bought it for the potential to make it into an Android Tablet, and I'm very happy with it. Also there are MUCH better apps for reading than the Nook app or Kindle app, which is another reason I am happy. If you're interested in the features of different ereader apps, check out the post in the nook color themes and apps section (i'll be posting it later today)
And to answer a question that was implied, there is a dev working on a launcher that will mimic the stock ROM while flashed to another ROM. Although it has caused many issues (that they are trying to resolve) progress is going pretty well from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as porting an app over to work, the dev actually has to modify the programming and I don't think he has much help. I think it's just one guy with advice from the community.

For me the purpose is because I don't want a ebook reader. I want the world's first affordable tablet, which a hacked Nook Color is. I never read books, but I use my Nook Color tablet for hours everyday (lots of fruit to cut).
For others the reason is because the stock B&N program only works on Eclair, and frankly Eclair sucks. No Flash, no hardware composite, no bluetooth support on Eclair.

[Q] Nook for the in-laws: Nookie it?

I have a nook that I auto-nootered for my wife.
Now the in-laws want one and they want me to set it up. They also have an iPad, so that's what they're used to.
Of the current ROM/autonooter options, what is going to give them the best user experience (for market apps, eReader) and will minimize my having to provide tech support.
With my auto-nootered nook (with ADW) I find the user interface a rough ride.
What are the differences between the various ROM options?
Suggestions?
Thanks!

Just my opinion, but a modded Nook is not a good choice for non-tech people. I remember trying to explain all the features my CM7 Nook has to my fatherm, and I realized that he would be totally lost if I just handed it to him. For a mainstream user, I think the stock UI is good enough. A bit laggy, but it's pretty intuitive and user friendly. At most, I'd say a rooted version of the stock ROM, but even then that could bring some issues they may not know how to deal with.

Artood2s said:
Just my opinion, but a modded Nook is not a good choice for non-tech people. I remember trying to explain all the features my CM7 Nook has to my fatherm, and I realized that he would be totally lost if I just handed it to him. For a mainstream user, I think the stock UI is good enough. A bit laggy, but it's pretty intuitive and user friendly. At most, I'd say a rooted version of the stock ROM, but even then that could bring some issues they may not know how to deal with.
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I disagree. I find the stock experience to be quite confusing with multiple docks and the difference between the stock apps and market apps. Plus, I found the stock experience to be an exercise in frustration. It's laggy and very quirky.
I'd throw CM7 with mad murdock's tab mods, plus Dalingrin's OC kernel on there. Then I'd build a custom homescreen experience using apps organizer, desktop visualizer and a custom homescreen launcher like Launcher Pro to categorize essential apps. Reduce the number of homescreens and pre-select apps that they are likely to enjoy.
Here's a neat example of what can be done using those apps to customize.
Show them the basics of how to use the market and avoid getting into any customization details until they ask.

so about 6 months ago my girlfriend got an ipad. We were at her parents house and her father stole it from her and loved it. he loved it. He is not super techy but he embraces the technology and works to figure things out. He really was interested in something like the ipad, but without the cost associated. So i told him about android tablets, but we all knew they were just not "there yet" for a good product. Fast forward a bit, after playing with a friends autonootered nook, i decided to get one. I autonooterd it with 2.12.25(the best at the time) I brought it over to his house and he fell in love with it. 2 days later he had one, and was calling me up to come root it. He never puts the thing down. He really likes the nook app(only available on stock atm.) he uses the web and kindle apps too, thats about it. now that cm7 is out and really stable i would like to upgrade him, but hes really happy with what he has, i dont want to mess with that.
I suggest showing them what you have, and seeing if they like it. you dont need to be as techy as you think to use it. I know people like us like to play and tweak and mess with stuff, but putting the most recent build of cm7 over clocked, and keys mod is a big plus. Give them a quick over view on how to use it. and they are off.
Just like lyam23 with desktop visualizer and some neat icons you could really dumb down, but your adding a layer of complexity that could break and cause experience issues for them. I suggest you set it up as stock as possible put a few icons on the desktop, and say if you want to read a book use this, if you want to go to the web use this. and go from there. really depends on the user tho.
If they are not techy, or at-least embracing technology, you might as well not waste your time.

To be honest, both CM7 and less so nookie froyo, are for power users. It may be easy to install, but maintaining and upgrading can be a hassel for people who don't keep up to date with this forum, or android central. However much of a clusterf*ck the stock rom is, atleast there is no maintaining it; if you can use an android phone the stock rom is manageable. Plus if it ever messes up it just reverts back to stock, and can just be re-rooted. If you do go with rooted-stock, remember to install CWM, as to block OTA updates. We still don't know how the two will interact.
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woot1524 said:
but maintaining and upgrading can be a hassel for people who don't keep up to date with this forum
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I agree that the stock rooted is a good way to go. but cm7 is stable enough for a standard user i dont think you have to worry about updating it constantly. And if you have to update it, its really quick. If you already have a nook, and your giving it to the inlaws, as long as you see them once and a while, you can quick update it when your there, takes less then 5 min.
in the end no matter which way you go theres shortcomings. it really depends on the user.

Here is rundown for Nooks with normal people:
Stock Rooted
+Can use real Nook software
+Has less rough edges
-No Flash
-Is kinda laggy compared to others
Froyo
-No real plusses over CM7
CM7 + Tablet Tweaks
+Most usable version for normals
+Most responsive version
-Requires your extensive setup
-Lower battery life than stock
-No native Nook app if they care

lyam23 said:
I'd throw CM7 with mad murdock's tab mods, plus Dalingrin's OC kernel on there. Then I'd build a custom homescreen experience using apps organizer, desktop visualizer and a custom homescreen launcher like Launcher Pro to categorize essential apps. Reduce the number of homescreens and pre-select apps that they are likely to enjoy.
Here's a neat example of what can be done using those apps to customize.
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And what happens when the widgets all of the sudden don't want to load? I've had this happen at least 4-5 times. Since I set them up, I can get my folder links, etc. back up in no time. Minor inconvinience. But to the layman, it's a showstopper. Plus, when you customize something for a friend/relative YOU become the IT support. I believe I'm a pretty nice guy, but I can't say I enjoy troubleshooting on the phone with someone who has limited knowledge in computers/Android. So my advice is save yourself the trouble and leave it stock (maybe rooted).

If they want an android tablet then I would suggest that you place Cynomod 7 Release Candidate 1 on the tablet and leave it at that until Release Candidate 2 or later is available. It is a very stable version, equal or better than most of the android releases out there on commercial releases on other tablets (Visio, Xoom, etc).
You can set up the main screen with shortcuts to those programs he wants to utilize, and show him how to add more (lock the screen for him in the meantime).
If they only want an ereader and care not for the android functionality, then simply leave it stock.
Simple.

I personally would think... given their experience... definately root it... or better yet CM7 it (you'll have to update it frequently right now)... not sure of the feasibility of that for you right now... can update to that down the road when it is "officially released"
HOWEVER... if you decide to go nootered stock... remember that when B&N forces updates it will have to be done again... I would block OTA updates... then after the new OS is nootered or rootable update their nook...
just my opinion... nothing more.

Artood2s said:
And what happens when the widgets all of the sudden don't want to load? I've had this happen at least 4-5 times. Since I set them up, I can get my folder links, etc. back up in no time. Minor inconvinience. But to the layman, it's a showstopper. Plus, when you customize something for a friend/relative YOU become the IT support. I believe I'm a pretty nice guy, but I can't say I enjoy troubleshooting on the phone with someone who has limited knowledge in computers/Android. So my advice is save yourself the trouble and leave it stock (maybe rooted).
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The only problem with leaving it stock, is that you have the difficult prospect of explaining what that toolbar at the bottom is. And why are some apps there, and some in extras? And if you install a home replacement to ease things, well then, why are there two places for apps? Which is the right one? How do I make these toolbars disappear? How come I can't read some text next to checkboxes? Why do some of these settings not work? etc...
My point is, no matter what you do, unless you don't do a thing to their NC, you will be tech support. Might as well make it easy with a decent , stable, and simple user interface.
IMO, this can be accomplished better in CM7 with tab tweaks than any other ROM.

How to get the most out of my Nook

Hey guys, been using cryogen on my nook for years now, and while I personally believe that it is much faster than stock, it always seems to eventually bog down, and run slow. While there might be an issue with apps or something else I'm doing wrong that keeps slowing down my nook that's not the MAIN purpose of this forum. I'm looking for the best build and settings to get the most out of my nook. Currently i'm running a recent nightly build with CM11, but was thinking about switching to snapshot for a more stable release. There are two things I want to know before doing this:
1. what is the fastest and most stable build available? I've heard in forums about a liquidsmooth build, slim builds, and obviously used nightlys but which is the best? Also CM10 or CM11 does it matter which?
2. What is the best settings for max performance? On nightly I can use the governor to up the CPU, and I know there's a ram setting, but what about the I/O scheduler? whats the optimal setting for this? Also whats the best map performance settings AND what is the best settings for performance/battery for when i'm not playing games but maybe just web browsing.
ONE FINAL NOTE:
There was a time where I enjoyed spending a week tweaking roms and trying to make experimental roms work but now I don't have time. SO what I'm looking for is a STABLE rom that doesn't need much tweaking and can simple be installed through CWM, and either the basic settings to max performance, or a third party program that will do it for me.
PS: these forums have been good to me these past years so I want to also shout out to everyone that contributes and say thank you.

Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share

mcord11758 said:
Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share
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I whole-heartedly agree with everything you said.
Except for the part about sharing your son's Christmas present. Good luck with that!

Better than nothing
Given that the first two reply were utterly useless I figured I would post what I have found so far. . . A rom called SlimKat is the fastest rom for the nook hd+ I personally have found. I was hoping that others would post USEFUL information to this forum reguarding other ROMS rather than just stating that the nook is limited (which everyone that owns one already knows hints why were are here in the first place). But if you too are looking for a fast rom try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development/rom-dev-slimkat-4-4-4-build-8-1-t2894247/page6
I've yet to tweak it, so i'm not sure if there is a govenor on there or a way to improve how the RAM is used. And I still have no clue what an I/O scheduler does, but I didn't see one on this rom.

Useless, honest, whatever
Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812

mcord11758 said:
Useless, honest, whatever
Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812
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That's probably fixed in the LiquidSmooth F2FS version (Pg. 5 of the LS thread), as it uses different PVR source. FWIW.

I actually find asking to be a moot point.
The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses. One rom may work well for someone and not well for another who's use of it constantly goes up against a bug or other problem. Or maybe you just won't like it.
Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.

sandsofmyst said:
The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses.
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And hardware (revisions). Take two identical tabs, install identical ROMs using identical methods, and get two different results. One crashes and reboots, the other never does. On a third the battery life suffers or the WifFi misbehaves.
sandsofmyst said:
Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.
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And of course, be prepared to restart and repeat the entire process. Because sooner or later you're going to install something that will sour the milk. Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
jb0756: I've tried them all. The variables are staggering. It's amazing these things work as well as they do.
mcord11758 said it best. The HD+ is ... "serviceable."

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Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
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If its not up your alley then don't go there. There are things in the ocean and a breeze in the air.

Best Stable ROM for this Tablet?

So I have been using my Amazon Fire Tablet exclusively lately, and have enjoyed it every bit! I currently am running SlimLP version Slim-5.1.1.beta.0.14-UNOFFICIAL-20160107-1121.
I just recently purchased the same tablet for family, and wanted to go ahead and flash some type of Android to the new tablets, but was curious if there is now a better and stable ROM out there for this device, especially ones that are running Marshmallow. I am looking for something where everything works, is fast, and gives great battery life. Open to any advice on this one!
Thanks!

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So I have been using my Amazon Fire Tablet exclusively lately, and have enjoyed it every bit! I currently am running SlimLP version Slim-5.1.1.beta.0.14-UNOFFICIAL-20160107-1121.
I just recently purchased the same tablet for family, and wanted to go ahead and flash some type of Android to the new tablets, but was curious if there is now a better and stable ROM out there for this device, especially ones that are running Marshmallow. I am looking for something where everything works, is fast, and gives great battery life. Open to any advice on this one!
Thanks!
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- only Lollipop based roms until bootloader is cracked (unlikely)
- all are stable; most simply present different skins
- meaningful performance differences (battery life) are minimal
- read thread OPs for rom characteristics you find appealing

I'm using 'clean' AOSP with xposed to add only the modification i want.
I think this is the best way, but not the noob proof one

So I ended up installing CyanogenMod 12.1, it was super easy to install, everything seems to work so far. I guess I'll find out if my family member mentions anything about the tablet not working if there is an issue. I might take a crack at CM12.1 myself over SlimLP, but will do more research to see what the real differences may be.

I like the Ressurection Remix OS myself, has a different task manager and some other tweaks

darkgiant said:
So I ended up installing CyanogenMod 12.1, it was super easy to install, everything seems to work so far. I guess I'll find out if my family member mentions anything about the tablet not working if there is an issue. I might take a crack at CM12.1 myself over SlimLP, but will do more research to see what the real differences may be.
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Of the major offerings (discounting FireOS) Nexus is perhaps the most unique as virtually nothing is baked in. Pure AOSP that you customize to your liking. Xposed friendly; most UI centric modules work as the author intended. I personally favor CM on this device (has everything I want) while using Nexus elsewhere. Have fun!

nexus rom ported ?

hey guys ,
any chance that we have a ported pure google software for N5 ? Like from nexus 6p ?

I would never want stock Android, instead people go for something like Cyanogen mod. Which is a faster, more optimised and feature rich version of stock. Unfortunately the only CM release is now private. When it was public, while it didn't fully support the hardware - it made the device run way faster. The camera app is a big sacrifice unfortunately.

Turbine1991 said:
I would never want stock Android, instead people go for something like Cyanogen mod. Which is a faster, more optimised and feature rich version of stock. Unfortunately the only CM release is now private. When it was public, while it didn't fully support the hardware - it made the device run way faster. The camera app is a big sacrifice unfortunately.
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yeah i know CM , the thing is that i want a Rom that does not have a stupid apps and unwanted apps that i think will run super fast at my Note 5

Cyanogen mod doesn't really bundle anything stock android doesn't. In fact, it probably has less depending on the google apps you install. CM is much faster than any bare AOSP rom I've tried. We don't realty have the luxury as the only AOSP-like rom we have for this devicr is a CM one which isn't even publically available.