Consider switching to s8 from plus? - Verizon Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions & Answers

Hello. Just wanted to see if you s8 guys are happy with screen size, and battery life. Currently on the plus and I'm considering switching to regular do to hand fatigue. I've been with it since opening day and it just seems to be flaring up my carpel tunnel. Difficult to use one handed in the car and lying down. One handed mode doesn't seem to help much. Did come from 7 edge but the added weight just gets my hand all achy. Anyone else switch eaither way? Used both for a few days? Lmk thanks
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safetypinz said:
Hello. Just wanted to see if you s8 guys are happy with screen size, and battery life. Currently on the plus and I'm considering switching to regular do to hand fatigue. I've been with it since opening day and it just seems to be flaring up my carpel tunnel. Difficult to use one handed in the car and lying down. One handed mode doesn't seem to help much. Did come from 7 edge but the added weight just gets my hand all achy. Anyone else switch eaither way? Used both for a few days? Lmk thanks
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If you're looking for a trade. I have the black S8 for Verizon. I bought it straight from Samsung. We can negotiate the difference. I have a few cases and the Spigen wet apply screen protector on it.
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safetypinz said:
Hello. Just wanted to see if you s8 guys are happy with screen size, and battery life. Currently on the plus and I'm considering switching to regular do to hand fatigue. I've been with it since opening day and it just seems to be flaring up my carpel tunnel. Difficult to use one handed in the car and lying down. One handed mode doesn't seem to help much. Did come from 7 edge but the added weight just gets my hand all achy. Anyone else switch eaither way? Used both for a few days? Lmk thanks
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Stop using it in the car.

robstunner said:
Stop using it in the car.
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Some people have jobs that require them to be on the road more then others.
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safetypinz said:
Some people have jobs that require them to be on the road more then others.
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Some people know that driving and using their phone isn't the smartest thing to do.

robstunner said:
Some people know that driving and using their phone isn't the smartest thing to do.
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If I wanted to be judged I would have asked. If your just going to troll my post, move on. Thanks
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Sorry if you don't like it. Point still stands, using your phone while driving is ignorant and probably illegal wherever you are.
To be in topic, that s8+ is a two hand phone plain and simple.

robstunner said:
Sorry if you don't like it. Point still stands, using your phone while driving is ignorant and probably illegal wherever you are.
To be in topic, that s8+ is a two hand phone plain and simple.
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Lol. Somebody must be bored. Eaither way to be on topic you've consentrated on 3 words of the entire post which is pretty ignorant. Are you a gs8 user? How is the battery life. Are you happy with the size of the device. How bout some feedback since you've got nothing better to be doing.
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POLL: do you have the screen separation problem?

Simple yes or no to see what percentage of users have this problem. Please vote so that the data will be accurate.
No.
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Vote guys. I want this to show an accurate percentage.
No defects at all I voted NO!
not sure how to vote. I guess yes, it's such a slight lift that if I didn't read about it here I wouldn't have even noticed. I'm planning to do the "fix"(remove back panel and tighten screws) to see if that takes care of it.
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Vote guys. I want this to show an accurate percentage.
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Yes, because everyone who hasn't got this "problem", is going to be trawling the net just to answer polls saying they haven't got a problem instead of enjoying their device.
Most who have got this "problem" wouldn't know they have this "problem" until they find threads like this telling them they have a "problem", even though their device is working perfectly.....
If you want the build quality of a £600 tablet then buy a £600 tablet.... This one is cheap as hell so the odd incredibly minor "problem", is to be expected.
No
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kitch9 said:
Yes, because everyone who hasn't got this "problem", is going to be trawling the net just to answer polls saying they haven't got a problem instead of enjoying their device.
Most who have got this "problem" wouldn't know they have this "problem" until they find threads like this telling them they have a "problem", even though their device is working perfectly.....
If you want the build quality of a £600 tablet then buy a £600 tablet.... This one is cheap as hell so the odd incredibly minor "problem", is to be expected.
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I disagree. Basic quality control is key. Even for a $250 device.
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Yes, because everyone who hasn't got this "problem", is going to be trawling the net just to answer polls saying they haven't got a problem instead of enjoying their device.
Most who have got this "problem" wouldn't know they have this "problem" until they find threads like this telling them they have a "problem", even though their device is working perfectly.....
If you want the build quality of a £600 tablet then buy a £600 tablet.... This one is cheap as hell so the odd incredibly minor "problem", is to be expected.
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I can't even use my tablet because the screen is so bad. This is no "minor problem" and even a $200 device should come working properly. If you don't agree with my poll, ignore it.
No issues here. I highly doubt 50% of the tablets have this issue though, poll seems flawed.
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cypwrx said:
No issues here. I highly doubt 50% of the tablets have this issue though, poll seems flawed.
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The poll is not flawed, it's inaccurate because only 40 people have voted. Once more votes are in, we should get a better idea of the accurate percentage.
No
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Yes.
And it's going back with RMA. Slight lifting on brand new device, what is it going to be in a year?
I've got the problem, but im going to wait a few months before I RMA it. Wait for a different batch.
Can someone tell me what I should be looking for? Any specific part of the screen? Any pictures?
Yes.
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clankfu said:
Can someone tell me what I should be looking for? Any specific part of the screen? Any pictures?
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Left hand bezel. Raised in the centre. Squishy when pressed.
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Left hand bezel. Raised in the centre. Squishy when pressed.
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Left side, in portrait mode?
clankfu said:
Left side, in portrait mode?
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Yes.
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Review from a former LL3 (Received Yesterday)

So I got my phone yesterday evening at 7pm from the UPS driver and of course it was the latest I had ever received a package!
Anyways, all I have to say is that getting a phone from the "second wave" seems to have been a great thing because I have had ZERO issues at all so far. Right away I looked over the entire phone for any cosmetic defects that have been reported and nothing was found wrong. The screen IMO is amazing and colors look perfect as well. There is NO yellow tint whatsoever and I even had my GF look at it to make sure. Battery is already better than my former Blaze 4G and that's saying something. This phone is definitely a fresh start from the touchwiz ui and made me realize that was really kiddish looking like IOS IMO. The camera takes pictures just fine although I am still trying to figure out all the features on it. The phone got pretty warm on initial start up when all of my apps were being installed from the Play store but after that, normal browsing and such did not make it any warmer than anything i have felt before in other phones. Finally, there is NO buzzing in my earpiece at all, and yes my hearing is good, this again I had my GF check too so I knew I was not crazy.
So honestly, I think that maybe the second wave was produced better or something I really don't know, but I encourage anyone to get this phone if they have been debating because of other peoples "issues". Thanks
That's great to hear. I also ordered a N4 from the second batch and I can't wait for it to be here. Nice review
Mine does rattle. Got it yesterday. But I could care less about that. Loving the phone so far. Just want to be able to order a bumper and get my best skins ever in so I don't worry so much about using it.
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myorks1127 said:
So honestly, I think that maybe the second wave was produced better or something I really don't know, but I encourage anyone to get this phone if they have been debating because of other peoples "issues". Thanks
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Grats on getting your phone; you're gonna love it.
I got mine a week after the initial ordering and my phone is perfect, so I don't know about any second waves or anything like that. There are always going to be phones with manufacturing-related defects; that's why they do exchanges. Don't get hung up on a few people who think their phones are s**t.
MatUK.8 said:
Mine does rattle. Got it yesterday. But I could care less about that. Loving the phone so far. Just want to be able to order a bumper and get my best skins ever in so I don't worry so much about using it.
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Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
I have my nexus 4 from the first wave ( received it on the 19th) and never got any issues with it.
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Yep, loving mine.
Coming from a s2 and then a s3 I had for 2 weeks.. The things I thought would bother me really don't.
I rooted to restor backups and I love vanilla Android, probably won't even do any rom'ing
I received my phone from the first batch and the only problem i have is that i cant put it down.
sroach23 said:
I received my phone from the first batch and the only problem i have is that i cant put it down.
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+1
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Second wave myself. No issues. I love this phone. Just thinking of how to customize the first page. I can't make it look too much like my old phone.
blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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lol
I got my 2 Nexus 4's yesterday. The one seems fine, but I have an issue with the 2nd one. During calls, the earpiece buzzes while making sounds. The earpiece does not make any sounds when it is off like a lot of people seem to report. This is strictly a problem during calls and it sounds like the speaker is blown. It does rattle a bit when I'm putting it on a table or whatnot, but that doesn't really bother me.
Called support yesterday, and they were supposed to send me an e-mail with instructions on sending this one back and getting a replacement, but haven't actually received anything from them.
I seem to have some kind of knack for getting bad phones from Google. I had ordered 2 Galaxy Nexus phones when they came out, and ended up getting a replacement for one of the phones because there was dust in the camera. The replacement had the wifi go out, so I had to get that one replaced. The third one actually had a similar buzzing issue with the earpiece but it wasn't as bad, and I was tired of dealing with them at that point, so I lived with it.
blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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Why reply if you don't care? Not sure of what your point is..
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blaine.hale said:
Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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Just speaking a link?
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He's correcting the man's grammar.
Watch the video.
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Couldn't care less.
http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
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I get what you are saying, but he is still literally correct.
I'm sure he could care less, otherwise he wouldn't have an N4. If he cared less:
- he could have not bought the phone
- he could leave it at a bus stop and go on living
- etc. etc.
Now, I'm sure he could care a hell of a lot MORE about it, taking to the internet in fits of rage, driving to Mountain View and knocking on the front door and such. But still, he could also care less.
Just saying.
Received mine yesterday and it has zero flaw. I don't take the mini rattle as one as it comes from the camera (autofocus?) and all the phones I tested since learning that on this forum have it.
For those of you wondering if the bumper is worth 20 euros, it's definitely well made, perfectly fits the look of the phone and prevents the back from direct contact but... well, the phone has a perfect size for my hand and the bumper adds about 0.5 - 0.7 cm in width which makes it awkward to hold. I find myself removing it often when using my phone.
My 2 cents.
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Does your phone have touch sensitive issue?
Most people that received the initial batch also had zero issues. It's basically just a couple squeaky wheels that make things seem worse than they actually are.
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Edit: you would never believe it from the way it looks but I would say majority of the people who ordered on the 13th got the phone within the 3-5 business day quote. Just as an example.
droidmakespwn said:
Most people that received the initial batch also had zero issues. It's basically just a couple squeaky wheels that make things seem worse than they actually are.
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Edit: you would never believe it from the way it looks but I would say majority of the people who ordered on the 13th got the phone within the 3-5 business day quote. Just as an example.
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I don't have any issues whatsoever from the 1st batch. The more you try to look for something to be wrong the higher the chance that something unnoticeable will begin to irritate you lol.
Zero issues with the first batch. But if these phones get better with each batch, imagine the 50th batch!
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[DROP TEST] Gizmo Slip Drop Test Nexus 4

In this drop test the phone survives 2 falls from 4 ft and bounces a few cm. I don't understand why we have some many people complaining about the back, even my phone survives two falls from 2 to 3 ft without case, no a little scratch :S , maybe I'm just lucky... Mmm I don't think so,
Like many other phones the phone doesn't survive face down fall
BTW love this phone. Although I have the little buzzing and rattle, not big deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGXR2iznbeg
C'mon, provide us a bit of insight into what's in the video. XDA isn't a link sharing website. Do you have an opinion? How does this compare to the half a dozen other drop tests that have been posted?
So..... The back survives a a 4 foot drop but yet we have people "supposedly" having theres crap by just setting it on a counter top...
It survived 2 out of 3, which was better than I had expected. The one that did it in (face down) was brutal; it landed flat on the face.
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C'mon, provide us a bit of insight into what's in the video. XDA isn't a link sharing website. Do you have an opinion? How does this compare to the half a dozen other drop tests that have been posted?
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Hehehe Sorry, post edited, maybe it's because my English is not really good
It faired pretty well except for that last drop
So... people who would actually use their phone on a day-to-day basis haven't even received their phones, but yet people like this guy is making YouTube video of drop tests? -_- as cool as it is, definitely not fair to the people who want the phone really badly but are unable to get proper stock of it.
I can't believe the back of the phone did better than the front.
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zephiK said:
So... people who would actually use their phone on a day-to-day basis haven't even received their phones, but yet people like this guy is making YouTube video of drop tests? -_- as cool as it is, definitely not fair to the people who want the phone really badly but are unable to get proper stock of it.
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How's it not fair? One is free to do what they want to their own devices.
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Is very surprised to see the n4 survive the corner n back drop.
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How's it not fair? One is free to do what they want to their own devices.
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It's called karma especially for the people who buy N4s when they become available for sale just to sell it again on eBay to maximize their profits.
You would say the same exact thing if you didn't have a N4. I personally have one but I'm not selfish like some people here and put myself in OTHER people's shoes as the General forum of N4 is filled with SHIPPING Threads rather than the actual phone experience itself hands on.
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It's called karma especially for the people who buy N4s when they become available for sale just to sell it again on eBay to maximize their profits.
You would say the same exact thing if you didn't have a N4. I personally have one but I'm not selfish like some people here and put myself in OTHER people's shoes as the General forum of N4 is filled with SHIPPING Threads rather than the actual phone experience itself hands on.
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Nah, I don't get jealous over phones.
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Somairotevoli said:
Nah, I don't get jealous over phones.
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Jealous? I don't think it's necessary a sense of jealousy. It's more of a problem with Google's inventory and people aren't getting what they wanted to give as a present, or whatever it may be as N7, N10 is having inventory problems as well. I'm done arguing about this though, I can tell that you're already an arrogant person and just don't get what I was saying. Again, I already have one but many people do not due to inventory problems.
Good day sir.
Now you're personally attacking me? You're assuming a lot. Karma. I look at out this way. A drop test gives one an idea of what kind of protection one may need. More like taking one for the team, IMO.
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He can destroy 10 for all I care. His phones to use or wreck.
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Mine slide off of my desk once and I almost shrieked. Fortunately it survived without a scratch.
I wanna see the drop test with Official bumper
I broke mine on the first drop. Slipped off the table during dinner last night, bunch of cracks in the bottom left corner on the back, and front half has one long crack that has made half the touchscreen useless. Sucks. So disappointed, gone back to Galaxy Nexus. I don't have the heart to buy a new one if it's going to break this easily. I can't even count how many times I dropped my Galaxy Nexus with no issue.
Man, that's harsh.
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Emama said:
I wanna see the drop test with Official bumper
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Lol me to, bumper doesn't feel like it would help that much.
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Loose earpiece grill

The ear piece grill on mine is loose. Checked my note 3 and it's not the same. Check yours just in case. I may sound a bit picky but I just spent $749 + tax on this. Gonna get it exchanged.
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Will t-mobile even exchange for that?
the one on my Note 2 kinda does that. but i never noticed until now until you brought it up. hmm...guess it didn't bother me or it didn't really cause a problem.
the one on my Note 3 on the other hand....it's rock solid. like welded into place.
browniegirl said:
Will t-mobile even exchange for that?
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They will but you would have to send it back since it was purchased online.
Kawaisa said:
They will but you would have to send it back since it was purchased online.
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Sounds more of a pain than what it's worth.
browniegirl said:
Will t-mobile even exchange for that?
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I'm sure they will. The only problem is, will they have some in stock
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I wouldnt mind it so much if it stayed balanced. But its higher on 1 side and it's bugging the heck out of me.
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They will but you would have to send it back since it was purchased online.
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Yes you do have to send it back but after you get the replacement. I've done exchanges with them before. They've sent me a replacement but they have to put a charge on the account. If the defective one doesn't come back then they don't remove the charge.
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I'm sure they will. The only problem is, will they have some in stock
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Will you be okay with it for the next 4+days ? I don't know if they will, in the cities I've lived in all sold out of note 2and 3 within 2hrs and my town is small
aznmode said:
I wouldnt mind it so much if it stayed balanced. But its higher on 1 side and it's bugging the heck out of me.
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is higher on the left side... I noticed that too...
man... to be honest... I completely understand your felling and frustration... even a small imperfection like this can make me crazy too. In my case I always inspect the screen looking for dead pixels (I usually install dead pixels app from the store)... and I have returned many phones because of this. (Including Note 3) In other words... like you mentioned... is your money, and if you are not 100% happy... return it... better live a week or 2 without the Note 4 than a year or more with the problem in your mind every single day...
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Will you be okay with it for the next 4+days ? I don't know if they will, in the cities I've lived in all sold out of note 2and 3 within 2hrs and my town is small
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Ya I'll be fine as long as it gets replaced. But since I bought online they will have different stock status than stores. Hopefully they've reserved some for replacements. I'll find out in a few.
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is higher on the left side... I noticed that too...
man... to be honest... I completely understand your felling and frustration... even a small imperfection like this can make me crazy too. In my case I always inspect the screen looking for dead pixels (I usually install dead pixels app from the store)... and I have returned many phones because of this. (Including Note 3) In other words... like you mentioned... is your money, and if you are not 100% happy... return it... better live a week or 2 without the Note 4 than a year or more with the problem in your mind every single day...
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So you have the same issue too? Ya if I didn't spend so much on this, I wouldn't make such a big fuzz.
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I just checked mine and the earpiece doesn't have this defect. It would bother me also.
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So you have the same issue too? Ya if I didn't spend so much on this, I wouldn't make such a big fuzz.
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Just checked my white note 4. The speaker on mine is fine. I'd return it if I were you.
It looks like assembly problem. It appears that your speakers grill sits on top of foam gasket (this would be a reason why it springs back).
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That sucks and I still don't get why online and their stores are separate. One thing I liked about AT&T is being able to return to store even if I ordered online.
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Thanks guys. Glad to know it's not on all of them. I don't mind waiting a few days for a replacement. I'm on the phone with them now. But ya, I also hate that I have call if I bought online. And if I buy at a store, it has to be the same type store, meaning if I bought at a corporate store, I have to go another corporate store.
UPDATE: Ok they had to reorder me a new phone (black). It wasn't out of stock so they are going to ship it to me overnight at no charge and will get it on Wednesday. As usual, they are charging me for the new one and will refund the charges on the 1st phone when they receive it back.
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Thanks guys. Glad to know it's not on all of them. I don't mind waiting a few days for a replacement. I'm on the phone with them now. But ya, I also hate that I have call if I bought online. And if I buy at a store, it has to be the same type store, meaning if I bought at a corporate store, I have to go another corporate store.
UPDATE: Ok they had to reorder me a new phone (black). It wasn't out of stock so they are going to ship it to me overnight at no charge and will get it on Wednesday. As usual, they are charging me up front and will remove the charges when they receive the defective on back.
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Beautiful. So you get a second phone before I even get my first? Sounds good.
They need to make orders upgradeable mid shipment.
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Beautiful. So you get a second phone before I even get my first? Sounds good.
They need to make orders upgradeable mid shipment.
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I guess I got lucky the 2nd time around.
Not quite sure how UPS works but with FedEx ground it cannot be changed either once it ships. If it was express then they can switch between next day, 2nd and 3 days.
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Got my replacement today and I'm happy to report that it doesn't have the same issue. And is perfectly flushed against the glass.
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Should I?

I know the note 7 is so hot its literally exploding off the shelves but does anyone think it's worth it for me to get my hands on one and wait for an aftermarket replacement battery to do the swap myself? Are the carriers going to block note 7s from their network? I personally want one at this point simply for the fact most if not all will be gone soon.
Not sure if this guy is trolling hard or simply been living under rock for the past week.
There won't be any after market batteries. Get a grip.
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I still have my first Note 7. Other than the annoying messages multiple times a day. I have no complaints. I mentioned in another thread that the T mobile rep said the phones are only getting hot when you use a different charger than what came with the device. I had a guy call me out on it, saying it was a bunch of B'S. Well here I am still using my Note and not a single issue with it. So you decide.
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But will there be any updates for the note 7?
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But will there be any updates for the note 7?
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Since it's a discontinued phone that Samsung's lawyers would desperately like out of your hands I'd say the odds are as good as American electing an honest person as president in November. The only update I think we'll see is one that disables the phone.
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Since it's a discontinued phone that Samsung's lawyers would desperately like out of your hands I'd say the odds are as good as American electing an honest person as president in November. The only update I think we'll see is one that disables the phone.
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You, lol!!! They'll both be in here or on Twitter to defend their honor, lol!!!

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