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Apps that use gpu acceleration?

If you google android gpu acceleration, you'll see numerous threads on other sites of people asking for it and others saying there hardware is smooth enough.
I don't want to discuss the merit of gpu acceleration as I think it's a given. What I'd like to know is a list of apps that do. But also, if these apps can, why isn't it utilized system-wide? Other threads mentioned older hardware could only have one opengl layer, so if your launcher was gpu accelerated, then a game wouldn't launch. I doubt this is the issue now with more recent hardware.
Is there any side project trying to add this to say cyanogen?
Anyway, I know launcher pro is accelerated. The scrolling through applications is like night and day with other launchers. Also the latest Opera is accelerated. It seems like the built-in gallery app is accelerated. I'm not sure about any of the pdf viewers. ezpdf seems the smoothest, but again, it might be just more optimized over other pdf readers.
So is there a list of apps that utilize the gpu? (besides games obviously)
I'm not sure if it's a video driver issue from device to device, but if that's so, how can a small app like launcher pro work accelerated on numerous devices?

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But also, if these apps can, why isn't it utilized system-wide?
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Because a lot of Android phones can't take it.
Other threads mentioned older hardware could only have one opengl layer, so if your launcher was gpu accelerated, then a game wouldn't launch. I doubt this is the issue now with more recent hardware.
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Yeah, but Android's target is a huge range of hardware- some very crappy. Read up on Android's "fragmentation problem."
Is there any side project trying to add this to say cyanogen?
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A composite based GUI is a HUGE project. It is WAY beyond the scope of this community. It is what delayed Windows Vista for so long, and was a huge reason why many people didn't like Vista (as hardware around its launch couldn't handle the interface).
It took the Linux desktop over three years to add a decent composite GUI, and that was with MANY large companies working on it.
Composite based GUIs are VERY VERY difficult to get right. The only reason Apple has it right is from the get go that was the best part of OSX. Apple's engineers somehow got its composite GUI (called Quartz) on old low-MHz PowerPC machines, and that miracle of technology has not been duplicated anywhere else. In fact, that was the competitive advantage that Apple took with it to the phone market once phones were as powerful as old PowerPC machines.
Other OS's that use a GPU accelerated GUI just have to have very strict minimums for hardware. For example, look at the minimums for Window's phones. Any one of those would be high-end in the Android market.
I'm not sure if it's a video driver issue from device to device, but if that's so, how can a small app like launcher pro work accelerated on numerous devices?
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Run Launcher Pro on an older Android device like a Droid 1 and you would be singing a different tune as to how smooth it is. The fact of the matter is that the Android eco-system isn't ready yet....

Hmm, compiz made huge improvements quite rapidly so I don't know about 3 years to get it right. The benefits were immediate; maybe refinements as it went along.
Regardless if it is huge undertaking, google has to address this. I've read articles where they say it's more garbage collecting vs an accelerated gui. Here's a brief but good article on it: http://www.satine.org/archives/2011/01/01/the-care-and-feeding-of-the-android-gpu/
And linux is a good example, the initial beginnings of compiz were a very small group of developers and features were being added very rapidly.
It turns a lot of people off android when they see a sluggish OS, or the appearance of a sluggish OS.
At any rate, my question still stands. you mention older devices needed to being supported. Then how does an app like launcher pro do it? I'm sure it doesn't have custom drivers for all the various gpu's out there? Same with Opera.
And I'd still like a list of (if there is one) of gpu accelerated apps. If the OS doesn't have it, then it would be nice to have it at the app level. Although I see that causing more headaches down the road instead of the OS doing it.
Anyway, google doesn't sound like they are taking this issue seriously. Or dismissing it as not necessary, but I think that's a mistake. On a traditional desktop OS, it's a nice to have but not really necessary, as most things are static. But given the size of the these devices, menus/icons etc are usually moved about cascade and expand etc. Items are dragged and moved etc. All this calls for an interface that maintains a high fps or otherwise it gives the perception of feeling laggy.

Trust me...rewriting Android to do automatic compositing is a huge undertaking. This would be very difficult to do while maintaining compatibility which existing applications. Honeycomb has compositing but it isn't enabled in applications by default because it can break applications with custom drawing. I don't see any reason for us to attempt to implement composting when its already done about as well as anyone can do it in Honeycomb.

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Hmm, compiz made huge improvements quite rapidly so I don't know about 3 years to get it right. The benefits were immediate; maybe refinements as it went along.
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GPU GUI acceleration on the Linux desktop didn't start with Compiz. GPU GUI acceleration started in 2004 when Keith Packard added the composite patch to Xorg. David Reveman began working on XGL and Compiz around that time, and didn't release a workable beta version until 2006.
Yet that beta version relied on XGL, which was basically running the Linux desktop like you would a video game. It wasn't until AIGLX became stabilized in open source and closed source drivers in 2007 that GPU GUI acceleration on the Linux desktop was finished (I am huge Xorg junkie, that is why I know these random facts).
Regardless if it is huge undertaking, google has to address this. I've read articles where they say it's more garbage collecting vs an accelerated gui.
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From what I have heard, Honeycomb supposedly has a GPU accelerated GUI. But we don't know till we can see the code.
It turns a lot of people off android when they see a sluggish OS, or the appearance of a sluggish OS.
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I would say that the sluggishness is only obvious next to iOS- other mobile OSes also lack such abilities. Compared to iOS Android has mostly targeted the lower-end user segment where quality of experience is less important than raw price (hence the many underpowered Android phones).
Eventually due to attrition the baseline will increase in power and old phones will be cut off for new features such as this. I have already heard that Gingerbread runs terrible on a Droid 1, which is barely a two year old phone.
Then how does an app like launcher pro do it?
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Same way games do it- they just run like crap on older phones. Google can't afford to take that approach with the entire OS.
And I'd still like a list of (if there is one) of gpu accelerated apps. If the OS doesn't have it, then it would be nice to have it at the app level.
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Me too.
Anyway, google doesn't sound like they are taking this issue seriously.
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I think that is an accurate assessment. I think Google believes that in time the hardware itself wil cover this inadequacy- it matters less on dual core phones. Its all those poor people that bought early Android phones that have had to suffer the most...

I'm sure it's not trivial, but again standalone apps seemed to have done it. I know OS wide is another issue. But really, honeycomb is really late when it comes to this. It really should have been a 2.x feature. I"m the exact opposite of an apple fan boy, but the first iphone in 2007 had this. That set the bar right there. What 4 years later and google is almost on it? And yes iphone is a fixed device, but still. An abstraction layer should have been worked on so if a device has a gpu it's used, otherwise fallback to software.
And on a side note, It would still be nice to know apps that do implement this now.

sark666 said:
An abstraction layer should have been worked on so if a device has a gpu it's used, otherwise fallback to software.
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I am a huge fan of this stuff (I actually had a blog about composite back in the day) and I can tell you after hacking on many devices and OSes, only ONCE have I seen a decent software-based compositor. OSX. That is it, in the whole world.
In fact, Apple's entire "magic" empire of devices is built on that unique competitive advantage. Part of what has made it work is that composite was there from day one- unlike a Linux, Windows or Android, OSX/iOS has ALWAYS had composite so applications had to work with it.
And it wasn't a painless process. Early OSX versions (until Tiger I think) all had major composite bugs (to the point I am good at spotting them). Part of Apple's advantage is that initially the OSX base was so small that it didn't matter what broke and what didn't.
So essentially it is not a 4 year gap, but is more like a 10 year advantage. All those old PowerPC Mac users paid out the nose to make modern Apple phones the pleasant experience they are.
To me the saving grace of Android is that Google allows developers to replace major parts. So maybe the entire OS will never have real GPU acceleration, but Google doesn't stop the Operas and Launcher Pros of the world to replace essential functions with apps that CAN leverage that ability. That way different parts of the OS get fixed up by those who are best at that part, and those with weaker hardware can do without.
So yeah, a list would be nice.

Well even Windows XP seems to dust Android's best. For example, browsing these very forums on my pathetic netbook is smooth but on NC it is extremely slow unless Opera Mobile is used. Even Honeycomb's browser is slow scrolling these forums. It is pretty mind blowing that in 2011 there would be 2D GUI inadequacies like this.
But the reason is as has been said: there are phones with really poor GPUs running Android. So Google basically set the bar too low in order to probably lower the cost to develop an Android device and now they don't want to break compatibility. Although I don't see why 3.0 couldn't have been more ambitious.

Not Quite A List of Android GPU Apps
GPU Acceleration will be system wide when Ice Cream Sandwich is released. I stumbled upon this thread hoping to find specific apps. I am of the Nvidia Bootcamp, so that influenced me to get a Droid X2. There are some killer apps that work perfect with GPU acceleration. I am rather surprised to find that this thread became a history lesson, much which I knew and Wikipedia could tell me.
I am using a Movie Player on Android called MX Video Player (FREE and Free Codec Download Required). It works extremely well. This app is an excellent example of quality software taking advantage of GPU acceleration, before a system wide implementation. I doubt "MX" will get better when ICS is here.
As for CyanogenMod none that I know of other than the ICS port they are cooking up. Has to do with ICS SDK API 14, that is the framework for it?
When I find more I will add to the list here, that is if I dont forget.
Oh and that snyde XP comment.... Let me know how the android gui and os is when it has had ten years in the limelight, with patches and bug fixes!

Performance of last year WP devices?

Considering the availability of snapdragon 800 devices (such as Lumia 1520), is a device like Lumia 920 (or HTC 8x) still powerful enough to handle all games and apps?
I'm thinking of getting a secondary windows phone. I wonder how last year's devices perform these days.

Right now? Easily. The high-end launch devices (Lumia 92x, HTC 8X, Samsung ATIV S) are still plenty powerful for all apps on the market. The newest high-end phones are definitely more powerful, but aside from maybe a short reduction in loading times and faster bootup, plus of course better performance in JavaScript and so on, it shouldn't be a problem. Apps are pretty much required to run well even on 1GHz dual-core CPUs, like the mid-to-low-range phones have; 1.5GHz dual-core (like the high-end launch phones) is plenty.
Now, eventually that will no longer be the case, and the launch phones will go obsolete before the new ones. But the high-end launch phones will probably last longer than the low-end ones of the new generation anyhow, and the low-end launch ones will be the first to go. Microsoft will want to avoid that happening for as long as possible, so you should be good for a while.

GoodDayToDie said:
Right now? Easily. The high-end launch devices (Lumia 92x, HTC 8X, Samsung ATIV S) are still plenty powerful for all apps on the market. The newest high-end phones are definitely more powerful, but aside from maybe a short reduction in loading times and faster bootup, plus of course better performance in JavaScript and so on, it shouldn't be a problem. Apps are pretty much required to run well even on 1GHz dual-core CPUs, like the mid-to-low-range phones have; 1.5GHz dual-core (like the high-end launch phones) is plenty.
Now, eventually that will no longer be the case, and the launch phones will go obsolete before the new ones. But the high-end launch phones will probably last longer than the low-end ones of the new generation anyhow, and the low-end launch ones will be the first to go. Microsoft will want to avoid that happening for as long as possible, so you should be good for a while.
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Thanks for such a detailed and helpful response. Much appreciated!
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You're welcome! There's other concerns besides the raw CPU power to consider, of course, such as the 1520 having a 1920x1080 resolution screen and BT 4.0 with low-energy mode, and newer phones will probably have more RAM and Flash storage as prices per gigabyte for such things continue to fall. Still, I've been very happy with my ATIV S (SGH-T899M) even though it's missing a few things that the newer phones have.
Oh, and while I appreciate the post, there *is* a Thanks button too... Much quicker!

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You're welcome! There's other concerns besides the raw CPU power to consider, of course, such as the 1520 having a 1920x1080 resolution screen and BT 4.0 with low-energy mode, and newer phones will probably have more RAM and Flash storage as prices per gigabyte for such things continue to fall. Still, I've been very happy with my ATIV S (SGH-T899M) even though it's missing a few things that the newer phones have.
Oh, and while I appreciate the post, there *is* a Thanks button too... Much quicker!
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Important things to consider. thanks again! (Thanks button clicked) I have one last question. Do you see any advantages in owning a Phablet Windows Phone device over a Phone?
Does it have any extra functionalities, or anything unique that makes it special aside from having more tiles on the home screen? That's something that I'm really curious about

I don't own one myself, but the only thing that comes to mind is the ability to get a bunch more tiles on the Start screen (three "normal" columns, plus each tile is shorter as well - they're still square, after all - so you get more of them vertically at once). That's a nice feature, one which I enabled (via registry hack) on my ATIV S (at 4.8", it's just below the 5" cutoff for that feature to happen automatically) as soon as I got GDR3. Aside from that, and the phenomenal resolution of the 1520, though, I'm not aware of anything much.

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I don't own one myself, but the only thing that comes to mind is the ability to get a bunch more tiles on the Start screen (three "normal" columns, plus each tile is shorter as well - they're still square, after all - so you get more of them vertically at once). That's a nice feature, one which I enabled (via registry hack) on my ATIV S (at 4.8", it's just below the 5" cutoff for that feature to happen automatically) as soon as I got GDR3. Aside from that, and the phenomenal resolution of the 1520, though, I'm not aware of anything much.
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That's interesting, i didn't know registry hacks for WP8 devices are possible. Can it be done for all devices with GDR3?
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Nope, I'm afraid they're still limited to Samsung's WP8 lineup. Check the interop-unlocks thread in my sig for more info.

GoodDayToDie said:
Nope, I'm afraid they're still limited to Samsung's WP8 lineup. Check the interop-unlocks thread in my sig for more info.
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Then i may end up buying the Ativ S. Thanks man, I learned a lot from you. XDA needs more guys like you
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Well, we're still looking for unlocks in other lines (Lumias especially, given their popularity, but others too). You really can't give timelines on that kind of thing, though, and Samsung is already trying to break the one we have.

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Google Nexus 5
$349 (16 GB) or $399 (32 GB) unlocked, but don’t call it “cheap.” Also available starting at $410 on Swappa. With class leading specs and excellent software and developer support, the Nexus 5 is a force to be reckoned with.
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What makes this device special isn’t its admittedly great hardware. No, it’s the software. With a stock version of the latest and greatest Android and Google have to offer, as well as virtually limitless development potential, the Nexus 5 is a software tour-de-force.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? fastboot oem unlock. Need I say more?
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes.
Multiboot? YES!
LG G2
$650 unlocked (or under $200 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $470 on Swappa.
Close cousin to the Nexus 5, the LG G2 shares many of its internals with the N5. Though the device features a larger screen and a markedly better camera, it also is weighed down by an OEM skin that only a mother could love. Despite that, the device still packs solid performance, and with a little aftermarket development love, it can truly shine.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes (guide).
Unlockable? Loki Patch.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, OmniROM, CyanogenMod, and Paranoid Android available.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z1
$609 unlocked. Also available starting at $450 on Swappa.
Sony’s flagship for late 2013 packs quite a punch in the specs department. The device features a super speedy processor, excellent camera, competent screen, and amazing developer friendliness from the OEM.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod available.
Multiboot? No.
Moto X
$529 unlocked (or $99 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $390 on Swappa. Motorola’s flagship isn’t so much a flagship as it is an everyman’s phone.
Rather than cramming as many MHz and GB as possible into as think a device as possible, Motorola chose a different path. They instead came up with a few incredibly innovative software additions and tailored the hardware to match. As such, the Moto X doesn’t directly compete with the Samsung Galaxies and the HTC Ones of the world, at least not in raw specs, but it doesn’t have to. It’s a great device that offers solid performance and a reasonably good screen. And the touchless controls aren’t just the icing on the cake; they are the cake.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? RockMyMoto.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? RockMyMoto
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Not at the moment. A few source-built ROMs including official PAC nightlies, but no official PA, Omni, or CM for the device.
Multiboot? No.
PHABLETS
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$645 unlocked (or under $300 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $550 on Swappa. When you need to do more, you can with various Samsung S Pen apps.
The Galaxy Note 3 continues to be the only very large phone that truly offers a “phablet” experience. Rather that simply making a very large phone, Samsung has made a device that is capable of doing fundamentally more than most phones. Now, you need to deal with TouchWiz in order to gain this functionality. But for many, the trade-off is well worth it.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes, but depends on variant.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z Ultra
$520 unlocked. Also available starting at $430 on Swappa.
Although it lacks the S Pen functionality of Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3, the Xperia Z Ultra has one added trick up its sleeve: the recently launched Z Ultra Google Play edition. Due to their hardware similarities, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the GPe ROM will be ported over to the standard device, and that’s good news for Z Ultra owners everywhere!
OLDER FLAGSHIP DEVICES
HTC One
$540 unlocked. Also starting at $329 on Swappa.
HTC Started the year off strong with the HTC One. When we covered the launch back in March, we were quite impressed with the device’s stunning screen, speedy processor, tasteful skin, and beautiful build quality. While the phone is no longer one of the fastest devices available, it is still a powerful device for those looking for a sculpted work of art, rather than the bleeding edge in mobile tech.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod, depending on variant.
Multiboot? Yes!
Google Edition Conversion? Yes!
Samsung Galaxy S 4
$560 unlocked. Also starting at $380 on Swappa.
While it’s starting to fall behind in the specs war compared to newer devices, Samsung’s Galaxy S 4 still packs quite a bit of power, a fantastic screen, great battery life, a nice camera, and expandable storage. Furthermore, the device has a healthy development community with more mods, tweaks, ROMs, and kernels than you can shake a stick at.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Varies depending on variant, but generally yes.
Oppo Find 5
$500 unlocked. Also starting at $310 on Swappa.
The Oppo Find 5 is a great device with a fantastic camera and impeccable screen. Its Snapdragon S4 Pro is no longer the fastest SoC available, but it can still breeze through most tasks without any slowdown. Finally, Oppo’s developer-friendly attitude earns it a place among all the heavyweights.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, Paranoid Android, and CyanogenMod.
On a Budget
Moto G
$179 (8 GB) or $199 (16 GB) direct.
This one’s simple. If you’ve only got $200 or less, and you want an unlocked phone, get a Moto G. It’s a solid phone at an utterly fantastic price. Developer support isn’t quite there yet, but with such good price/performance, we can’t imagine it being too far.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Through Motorola.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? better than galaxy ace-i's
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Sure buddy .. lol

But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.

Note 3 the Best!

mathm2013 said:
But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
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Believe me ,after Moto-G releases worldwide it might have Good developer support .. It might even have official support from CM,PAC,OmNI dev's ..
Motorola released the source code of Moto-x ,day before yesterday ..so in near future ,they might be releasing Moto-G source code along with device drivers ..

I like this phone!
Hey!
I like cooperve. Fact that there are complications made me to think more about all android. Right now I'm not so stupid as many people in supper-device-support-forum who are asking for any stupid thing. Compiling your own kernel because You want more freqs and ext2 (not ext4), and trying to trick device (Samsung reported 384MB RAM, CONFIG_CMDLINE uses 362MB, we have 289MB. I've increased CMDLINE to 364MB and nearly bricked device, but OS reported me 291MB Ha! ["?CONFIG_?"CMDLINE_FORCE=y]). Creating your own ROM (ROM created by someone else but You must customize it before flash). But I understand. I've bought this device for fun (I'm doing only this with all electronical equipment [even fridge]) and You don't must like this device.
My next step wil be GTAB2 + XPERIAZ.

misha1996 said:
Note 3 the Best!
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One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy

Mr.Gentleman said:
One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
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Not only money. Gotta see if it fits on your hand

Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website

Flamestorm said:
Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
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Oh ! Great ! ..
Their are many many vendors which produce Good device at a reliable price but still the developer support will take us back ..
Their is a Local company in India called "MicroMax" this company actually became the whistle blower after releasing it's Canvas Device Family .. Even top companies like samsung,hTc faced tuff competition from this Canvas family device's ..But still this Great Company is called as "Re-Branded chinese device" (atleast refered as, by iamareebjamal) .. In similiar way every local company is called as "Chinese device" ,though it ain't ..
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..

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And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
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dont excite bro. i was heard that a while ago but now ive heard a new info about that nokia isnt gonna release an android device they will go with wp.
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Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control

iamareebjamal said:
Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
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Anyway Nokia took Wrong choice .They wanted to bring something out-of-box by taking Windows as their primary OS ... Unfortunately they hit the wrong store .
Though Microsoft's Metro UI and lumia family is good , they lost in options of Customization and in the Availability of Apps . ..
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )

Mr.Gentleman said:
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
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yeah sailfish os is quite awesome i loved it but i think its expensive for that hardware. i would buy it if its 300€
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Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Glad you like it .
Sooner or later i'm gonna add about best Tablet's in #3 post

For those who absolutely want an Android Lumia, there's a phone called "Nokia N9" which has an OS (MeeGO, the base of Jolla Sailfish) that is based on Linux. Some devs ported ICS and JB on it, take a look on YouTube
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Your very own Mobile Internet Device

I am happy to announce the project I have been working on. I do not know what direction it will take from here but I thought it was a good time to show it.
A MID, UMPC, tablet, smartphone - anything you want it to be. This is a kind of hybrid between phonebloks/project ara and the nokia n900 series
The wiki should guide you through step by step and answer most questions you may have. I have always thought one of the most important parts of this project is being able to teach others to do this and make it as accessible as possible.
As the wiki mentions, please raise a ticket on the issue tracker if you have a problem. But if you just want to talk about it this thread would be fine and I will try to get back to it from time to time.
Special thanks to people on this forum specifically who made all those Windows Mobile editing toolkits way back and helped me realize what was possible with pocketable devices and move on from there.
Link to SFS MID wiki

I thought I would provide an update here. The project is still ongoing with a mainboard transition from the Raspberry Pi to the Odroid C0 SBC.
The hardware and software has come a long way making for a pleasant experience to use but yet enough flexibility for most situations and users.
As always, you can post here or on the issue tracker if you have any questions or just want to talk about MID development. Thanks and good luck.

This is a 6 month update. The project continues with a switch to the Lattepanda x86 SBC.
More positives than negatives come with the new ecosystem and the future is bright. It is hoped that with the x86 technology the project will become relatable to more people and the architectural reliability will prove to be an advantage.
You can always post here or on the issue tracker if you have any problems, questions or speculation on the future of MID development. Thanks and good luck.

This is one more 6 month update. I am using the Lattepanda x86 SBC exclusively now.
The layout of the devices has been redesigned to be more like a smartphone and there is a new shell available for 3d printing. In addition, the software has undergone an update and there are new development notes including testing with some Raspberry Pi 4 prototypes which ended up being too hot and using too much power. Finally, there are 5 new scripts uploaded and one included with the MID software which deals with multitouch gaming.
It works well but I am hesitant to call the project finished so if you have suggestions let me know.

Hello and welcome to another update on this longrunning project.
The launch of the Raspberry Pi 4 came and went without offering any power savings so the project continued on without it using some alternative platforms. On the dual goal of being able to play PC games, it is only until recently that the 8GB Pi 4 had that potential. Unfortunately there is not enough overhead for Linux gaming even on most low end x86 PC platforms so there is little hope current Pi versions will make for a good PC gaming experience.
If you read the development notes you will see some experiments with portable PC stick hardware running games such as Kerbal Space Program on Linux but those devices were a dead end as far as power savings go. Both in terms of lack of power saving features and in idle and load power draw.
Currently there does not seem to be a small x86 device that has working suspend/sleep/standby mode in Linux which renders the dual goal of a Linux smartphone device that can play modern PC games unattainable.
The VIM3 SBC does have a working suspend mode as well as a wide 5-20v input. This allows for much more battery power and energy without the corresponding
wiring complexity and loss of efficiency that you would have in a device that required "stepping down" the voltage to 5V. "Stepping up" from traditional smartphone and tablet batteries comes with it's own challenges as well. Namely, the effective current limit, maximum available power and conversion inefficiency from such low voltage batteries.
On the gaming front all hope for portable gaming is not lost. I have uploaded a bonus version of Retroarch with VIM3 support to the releases area as well. This release is intended for and works well for the older console systems.
Maybe one day we can get a device with 8GB+ RAM that can play PC games and go to sleep. Until then keep building!

I thought I would slip in and give an update just short of a year. A few patches may be still to come anyway.
The goal of a PC gaming phone-like portable has been largely attained. The Lattepanda Alpha SBC specifically has 8GB RAM and can suspend to save power. With a MID based on it you can do the kinds of things you would do on a smartphone as well as play PC games with a gamepad on the go, keyboard/mouse while docked or perhaps even with the touchscreen. The Lattepanda Delta can suspend and has 4GB RAM and is a cheaper alternative. Recent PC games can be played successfully but I would recommend something like a Steam Deck for cutting edge games. If using Android apps is something you would require in a personal mobile device then the large RAM of the Alpha is something that should make emulation possible. When finished you can put the device to sleep and put it in your rather large pocket.
There is something to be said for a smaller more manageable mobile device that is more the size of a smartphone. Even if that means gaming capability is compromised. The VIM 3 is smaller than the Lattepanda Alpha/Delta and has different USB functionality making for a smaller and simpler overall MID. This is more of a device that you can put in your pocket and hopefully not have it break. You can put a plastic shell around it like a commercial device but you will find that one large enough to give good protection makes the MID too large. I do not consider this a big deal since one of the goals of the project is to put more control into the hands of the user and this includes the realm of repairability. In other words if it breaks you can fix it.
Thus 2 parallel ARM and x86 codebases are being maintained for now. Extensive troubleshooting has been undertaken to fix some long standing hardware
stability problems on both MID platforms as well. Addditionally, all main wiki pages have received an update. Finally, another bonus compiled version of the latest Retroarch source has been added that focuses on PS1 emulation.
A special message for XDA Developers users. Don't throw away your Android phones just yet. As inexpensive as cellular plans are you can keep your phone and tinker with something like this too. But remember that when the automobile was first developed it was considered worse than the horse. Over time it was refined and eventually surpassed the horse as a means of transportation. I think as computer parts become more commoditized ever time something similar will happen and nothing will be able to stop us from putting together a phone ourselves.
I am not sure where it is going to go from here but I look forward to using the devices now that the dream has come true.

[ROM][13][UNOFFICIAL] LineageOS 20.0 for Redmi 9A (Garden)

/*
* We are not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at us for messing up your device, We will laugh at you.
* It is your fault because you chose to do all the modifications on your device.
* Remember projects like these and the work done on them is a hobby to the
* contributors and the team members, no one is working for you nor is getting paid for it
* have some respect for the work done by them since it is done purely on interest or a hobby
*/
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WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report them​Official LineageOS Site: lineageos.org​H O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L​
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E

hej maksieku!

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hej maksieku!
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Hello! If you like my work, please rate it. Thanks!

All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.

jdd1996 said:
All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.
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I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?

glofern97 said:
I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?
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Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society

Please, can anyone who's installed this ROM report on whether or not manual camera controls (technically referred to as camera2 API) are available on this ROM either while using a 3rd party camera app (like Manual Camera, Open Camera, etc) or the LOS camera.
I'm considering going from MIUI 12.5 on Redmi 9A to this ROM.
Thanks.

jdd1996 said:
Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society
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I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?

glofern97 said:
I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?
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I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
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jdd1996 said:
I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!

glofern97 said:
It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!
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I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negated ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
If we do lsmod on the terminal with root. This phone has wmt_chrdev_wifi - wmt_drv which are actually Linux generic conventional names for wifi chips/drivers -- This obfuscated wifi chip/driver name could actually be a
" MT6631 wifi chip " OR " WCN685x " or " mt7615 " either way this chipset could be from 2012-2013, so they placed a 2012 piece on a 2020 phone. The fact that simple commands dont work
mt6357_accdet is actually the name of the IC controller for LED screen and battery.
If we do getprop | grep baseband
The RADIO for SIM CARD, is called LCSH_QOMP1_MT6762_SP (LWCTG_6177M_G)
But everything is so obfuscated and hidden, closed source.
Either way other Older Wifi Chipsets are 2-8 times better than this one. 2014 wifi chip with monitor mode - mt7612 - 5 times stronger. You know why they placed an older chip without mon mode on a new phone? Cuz they know it can get dangerous, but thats not the right approach with us. They messed up big time. They're winning enemies. Witchcraft. They have no idea what HACKING - PROGRAMMING truly means, or how far it can go, once we hack existence and the Soul, we program reality further than the physical and the visual, we're gonna be on the real domain.

jdd1996 said:
I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negative ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
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Interesting way to look at it. Seeing phones as a political strategy of customer control and profiting out of their data. I hadn't thought this way, but makes sense lol After all, Chinese government is all about limiting and controlling people...
It seems your use case is different than mine. I bought this phone only because I was needing a dual-chip phone for my daily usage (Galaxy S6 is single chip), and it was on a promotion. I had heard good things of Xiaomi from friends who bought their phones, although they hadn't bought this one model specifically. I would really like to use a custom ROM, but the unofficial ones aren't "bulletproof" for this device, as users have reported some bugs. It's safer to stay in the stock ROM side for the time being
I looked up on this Project Treble. Interesting stuff. They are trying to abstract away the firmware code if I understand it correctly. Does that mean that there's hope for MediaTek devices to get support in the future and work smoothly with A13 custom ROMs?

jdd1996 said:
Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone ....
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I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.

MaverickNextDoor said:
I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.
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I did some testing yesterday on another phone I have here, a Samsung Galaxy S4, which has 2GB RAM and runs on Lineage OS 18 (A11). It shouldn't be a surprise that this Galaxy S4 does way better multitasking than Redmi 9A.
I compared the usage of RAM for Android System in the Memory Usage settings app, and it turns out that they are roughly using the same amount of RAM. MIUI's use is around 600 MB, whereas Lineage OS is around 500 MB. That is, only 100 MB of difference. From that, one can assume that it's rather the processor usage that sucks: MIUI is probably using more CPU resources to run its "good-looking", yet heavy interface, whereas LineageOS doesn't, since its interface is simpler.
The downside of those older phones is that their battery drains out way faster. Redmi 9A's battery lasts for a whole day with Wi-Fi turned on. That's one upside of this phone

Lets hope for easier kernel installs, low sized and performance optimized roms in the future. I suggest waiting, for Android 14-15. When the projects and batches are out patched, improved, tested, we can then cater. Yes the phone boots at least haha. 2Gb ram, Helio 25 ! arm32_binder64 - A64 bits !

Maksieku.Tech said:
WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report them​Official LineageOS Site: lineageos.org​H O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L​
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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wich gapps i need to install

AlphaJF972 said:
wich gapps i need to install
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I used BiTGapps, works perfectly

Maksieku.Tech said:
​ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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Where I can get device tree sources to build it from source?
Want to fix some bugs and rebuild for vendor R