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Randomly enough I'm an Android developer that this section could make use of.
So my question is: Is the community interested in CM based ROMs? (due to the fact that we lose DRM when we unlock the bootloader)
If there are indeed people who are interested. Do you have any ROMs which you wish to be ported for Z3C?
Tbh i guess the biggest issue is that people think that unlocking the bootloader turns the camera into to a old toaster. Atleast that is what my fear was before unlocking. After unlock i can barely make out a difference. Not to mention DRM fixes exists.
What really bothers me however is the lack of kernels for 6.0 and stock roms. Myself5 and Someone777 got custom kernels covered for 5.1 but nothing really exists for 6.0.
I read somewere about them planning 3.10 linux kernels based on Sony AOSP. Unsure for what type of roms tho.
Myself I run two things on my phone
1. Stock Rom + Custom Kernel.
2. Paranoid Android or CM based. PA prefered. + Custom Kernel.
This community could sure use an extra dev tho.
I'd use CM/AOSP based rom in a heartbeat had it not been for that reversed fish eye bug
However they are even now pretty stable other than that bug, I've tried couple of them, and with the removal of Z1 platform camera blobs, we might even see that being fixed. Someone reported that with latest camera blob updates, camera quality was improved though.
That aside, custom rom I have loved was SlimRom, as I have used it on my old S2, and it's still loaded on it, but that's not CM based.
I don't know, it doesn't matter much which rom, just as long as it's stable and has all basic functions working well
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Exzu said:
After unlock i can barely make out a difference. Not to mention DRM fixes exists.
I read somewere about them planning 3.10 linux kernels based on Sony AOSP. Unsure for what type of roms tho.
This community could sure use an extra dev tho.
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The difference in quality is noticeable when you run into conditions with less light (let's say when ISO goes over 400), but even that can be improved with further camera blob releases. DRM fixes do not apply to CM/AOSP because framework and noise reduction algorithms differ from stock Sony roms.
It would be very nice to have a 3.10 branch kernels
Yep, an extra dev could be really helpful, considering the lack of devs and development for this device. IMO the devs around here did quite a good job, but any extra hand is welcome.
Not really for myself. I would like the last android n preview. I prefer to have the "aosp" rom from Sony than a buggy rom, it's so much work for dev to get something stable. Than the Sony concept rom, which are working so good.
I ran RR for quite a while, and as always enjoyed running something AOSP / CM based (especially coming from Nexus). I lived with the camera being ****ty and all was fine. But as nelvinchi disappeared, I tried put SLiMM (stock based), and to be honest - I absolutely love the camera quality! I can't imagine going back to that ****ty camera.
But whatever happened to Sonys OS camera project?
Hi,
I would really love to see AICP (probably the best CM based rom at this point) for our Z3c.
I don't care much about pictures quality. Using camera only to scan documents or to take notes.
Now running Concept rom with unlocked bootloader.
Yeah sure but good luck getting a working camera ...there isn't a cm rom out there with a properly functioning camera...
The only big issue is the fish-eye bug.
No fix, no party.
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The only big issue is the fish-eye bug.
No fix, no party.
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I'd say, for my requirements, it is the only issue keeping me away from AOSP/CM. I can say that I use camera often, so I need something with decent quality (without any kind of fish-eye of course). I have used MultiROM, but it is time consuming to reboot in stock ROM to capture the moment. On top of that, new MultiROM v33x is not working, and Myself5 is nowhere to be seen so I lost hope for a fix.
Cirra92 said:
I'd say, for my requirements, it is the only issue keeping me away from AOSP/CM. I can say that I use camera often, so I need something with decent quality (without any kind of fish-eye of course). I have used MultiROM, but it is time consuming to reboot in stock ROM to capture the moment. On top of that, new MultiROM v33x is not working, and Myself5 is nowhere to be seen so I lost hope for a fix.
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NOBODY likes to have a broken camera and that's the reason why EVERYBODY keeps away from AOSP roms, like you.
Frankly I gave up on development for this phone MANY MANY months ago.
We'll never get a fix for the fisheye bug, let's face it.
istux said:
NOBODY likes to have a broken camera and that's the reason why EVERYBODY keeps away from AOSP roms, like you.
Frankly I gave up on development for this phone MANY MANY months ago.
We'll never get a fix for the fisheye bug, let's face it.
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the people over at paranoid android tried but failed miserably with their recent initial release for MM and haven't heard a peep from them since...i'm sure it will get removed from their supported devices...
I wish blisspop would be ported to the z3c.
i'm pretty sure OP would be a god in this community if they produced a working CM/AOSP rom with a fully functioning camera.
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NOBODY likes to have a broken camera and that's the reason why EVERYBODY keeps away from AOSP roms, like you.
Frankly I gave up on development for this phone MANY MANY months ago.
We'll never get a fix for the fisheye bug, let's face it.
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We won't probably, because Sony doesn't want to release proper blobs, not that they can't, they don't want to.
Fictional Reality said:
the people over at paranoid android tried but failed miserably with their recent initial release for MM and haven't heard a peep from them since...i'm sure it will get removed from their supported devices...
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Yea, the PA team have realized probably what crap they have put themselves into. Let's face the simple fact, which should be pretty obvious: people from Sony just don't want to release proper blobs/drivers for Z3 series. Why? That's something we can only guess. But the fact that they have released blobs/drivers for Z1 series (which have been used on Z3 series up until let's say 2 weeks ago) and have now added X camera blobs is something beyond logic. Why did they leave out Z3 series (which has different camera lens compared to Z1, but used Z1 blobs anyway)? It's not like Qualcomm forbid them to for Z3 series specifically, since Z1 has also proprietary DRM functions, yet it has working AOSP/CM with proper drivers released.
Not that I know anything about android drivers/blobs, coding and building, but this is what devs here were discussing, and I would trust them more than Sony officials.
I am debating on getting a different rom than OOS, however, it is so close to stock android, i don't see a reason to update. and with 7.1.1 roms only doing 4mp on front camera, it doesn't seem worth it.
What rom do you use? Why do you use it over OOS?
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I am debating on getting a different rom than OOS, however, it is so close to stock android, i don't see a reason to update. and with 7.1.1 roms only doing 4mp on front camera, it doesn't seem worth it.
What rom do you use? Why do you use it over OOS?
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I've been staying on OOS for the exact same reasons as you, but the top ROMs that I've considered switching to are TugaPower and OctOS. TugaPower, because it gets such good reviews from the community, and OctOS simply because it has a few features that I just really like, such as lockscreen torch.
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I've been staying on OOS for the exact same reasons as you, but the top ROMs that I've considered switching to are TugaPower and OctOS. TugaPower, because it gets such good reviews from the community, and OctOS simply because it has a few features that I just really like, such as lockscreen torch.
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How does the V gesture in OOS for locked phone torch differ from lockscreen torch?
Ill admit OctOS had my attention, and as for tugapower, yubrowser is sufficient to my knowledge for this task. Maybe theres more to it than catches the eye.
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How does the V gesture in OOS for locked phone torch differ from lockscreen torch?
Ill admit OctOS had my attention, and as for tugapower, yubrowser is sufficient to my knowledge for this task. Maybe theres more to it than catches the eye.
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Lockscreen torch is when you can hold down the power button for a short amount of time while the screen is off, and that turns on the flashlight. As for TugaPower, I mean TugaPower ROM. Not to be mistaken for TugaBrowser.
Official Resurrection Remix for me...only issue though s scrolling in heavy apps like play store, xda is nit very smooth and stutters a bit. I found this in all ROMs though except I guess TugaPower....but I just like the features included in RR and also I like to have blue accent instead of the green....
Whats new or better in OctOS?
My question is, what does tugapower provide besides tugabrowser? MAYBE gmscore, but i don't know if i trust it, and or if my list of apps will work. I think if you want super lite, this may work for you.
As for Ressurection Remix, try installing yubrowser for XDA, it's insanely smooth, although it kills ads, which i think they may disagree with me posting about.
OxygenOS is great. I love the launcher, shelf is great and all of the fancy animations are cool.
RR is great too. Adds a ton of customization options etc.
I would appreciate it if someone would make a kind of "crossover-ROM" based on the latest OOS Beta. Fancy OOS with RR customizations. Of course I can not force anyone into making this come true, this is just an idea. I would of course build this by myself, but I am afraid my Android knowledge is insufficient for this.
But would you like to have such a ROM?
It would be nice, but I think that it won't happen because it's really hard to put all these things to stock OOS when OP doesn't share whole code.
Sure that sounds great. But also like a ton of work.
Its completely impossible because none knows the ROM sources of OOS other than oneplus themselves. The maximum you can do is try aurora ROM.
Custom Rom using oos sources would have been released for long if...oos sources existed lol.
No way. You must have full sources to make a Rom.
Aurora rom has quite a bit of customization not as much as RR obviously but it's worth a shot
I am using it at present on my 3t and I m sure it's the same for op3 too
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...-v16-based-beta11-anime-t3553097/post70941029
My 3T has arrived, and I want to migrate from my 5X. I have a couple of questions:
Which ROM?
I know this has been discussed ad-infinitum, but I can't see the forest for the trees. I see lots of discussion about Oxygen vs CM / Lineage / Paranoid Android / AOSPE. I can say that even though I'm a "power user" in that I use my phone a lot, I am happy to stay close to the vanilla Android experience with minimal bloatware / "custom" experiences. I will need root for Titanium Backup, Greenify(*), Xposed, and perhaps a couple of other apps. In the olden days, I used CM on my HTC Desire and Moto G, but my Nexus has been just great with the factory ROM. I'm looking for maximum stability rather than tweakability that I'll never use. And sorry for being lazy, but I don't want to try ten ROMs to see what suits me, it will just become a pain.
How to migrate my apps and data?
Just use Titanium Backup? It's worked well for me in the past between different handsets. Or is the Google Android sync working well these days, and everything will just sync when I sign in with my Google Account?
(*) Is Greenify still regarded as useful on a 3T?
OxygenOS is fine. LineageOS is very stable too.
Most apps restore data from google, but some don't.
OxygenOS: Better camera. Reliable slow motion video recording, slightly better image quality.
Currently there is a bug on the latest official version (and custom ROMs based on it) that randomly wakes the screen up during phone calls if you have the double tap to wake feature enabled. Disable it or use the latest open beta, which is number 13 at the moment.
LineageOS: You have Substratum and and a bunch of ROMs based on it with a bunch of features. I believe you know it already, so it's up to you to decide.
Use Titanium if you want the app data as well, for example facebook login, offline game saves, etc. Google backup simply installs all the apps and logs you into Google services.
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OxygenOS is fine. LineageOS is very stable too.
Most apps restore data from google, but some don't.
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I don't doubt that, I was looking for more of a comparision.
ast00 said:
OxygenOS: Better camera. Reliable slow motion video recording, slightly better image quality.
Currently there is a bug on the latest official version (and custom ROMs based on it) that randomly wakes the screen up during phone calls if you have the double tap to wake feature enabled. Disable it or use the latest open beta, which is number 13 at the moment.
LineageOS: You have Substratum and and a bunch of ROMs based on it with a bunch of features. I believe you know it already, so it's up to you to decide.
Use Titanium if you want the app data as well, for example facebook login, offline game saves, etc. Google backup simply installs all the apps and logs you into Google services.
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I do take a lot of photos (snaps, for serious stuff I use a DSLR), so camera quality is important to me. However if we're talking about a small difference between cameras, and the Lineage camera is still fine for most use, I don't think I would use camera quality as a single reason to prefer one ROM to another. Anything else good / better about OxygenOS, or is it mostly bloatware (for someone like me who's quite vanilla ).
It will be weird but good going back to Lineage, as a CM user from many years ago. What about AOSP(E)? Does it feature in the equation?
On one hand, I love the developer-friendliness of OnePlus, on the other hand, there's so much contradictory information out there, it's hard to know what's real. Some people say the cameras are night and day, some say they're similar. Some say battery life is night and day, some say similar. I just edited my original post because I read that Paranoid Android might be a contender... You get my point...
From what you say, I'll definitely use Titanium. I've been with it for years, so I know where I am. In fact, maybe I should stop Google installing the apps so I can do it with Titanium?
I went from the Nexus 5x to the OnePlus 3T myself, and I'm currently running Paranoid Android. It's close to stock, has great battery life (usually I have 73% battery after 6 hours of frequent usage, but I don't have a Sim Card at the moment so I don't know the drainage with data enabled) and great performance. Bluetooth devices have a battery level in the status bar which I find incredibly useful, and theming is nice and easy. Only problem is updates, so I recommend switching to an Oreo based ROM when they are developed and switch back to PA when it gets Oreo.
i have been use all rom and the best still oxygen os very stable and minimum bloatware best rom so far but now i tried AOSPA and great but i think the oxygen is best
If you are lazy, Use FreedomOS : it's stock beta rom with nice addons: bloatremover,magisk,... and it's stock, mean you are no need to think about other problems like bugs~ they will be fixed by oneplus.
If you still want something like you old nexus i think you should take a look at Viper: not update so weekly, but it mean less bugs, brilliant features, nice stock apps, and even 2 theme engines: one similar to OOS and one is famous Substratum
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I went from the Nexus 5x to the OnePlus 3T myself, and I'm currently running Paranoid Android. It's close to stock, has great battery life (usually I have 73% battery after 6 hours of frequent usage, but I don't have a Sim Card at the moment so I don't know the drainage with data enabled) and great performance. Bluetooth devices have a battery level in the status bar which I find incredibly useful, and theming is nice and easy. Only problem is updates, so I recommend switching to an Oreo based ROM when they are developed and switch back to PA when it gets Oreo.
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That's exactly the kind of disruption I want to avoid. But PA is currently pretty up to date, so hopefully they can keep it that way. I could wait a few weeks for Oreo whilst bugs are ironed out.
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If you are lazy, Use FreedomOS : it's stock beta rom with nice addons: bloatremover,magisk,... and it's stock, mean you are no need to think about other problems like bugs~ they will be fixed by oneplus.
If you still want something like you old nexus i think you should take a look at Viper: not update so weekly, but it mean less bugs, brilliant features, nice stock apps, and even 2 theme engines: one similar to OOS and one is famous Substratum
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At first, I thought, I am lazy, great idea with FreedomOS. But for updates, it means waiting 1) for OnePlus to release then 2) for the FreedomOS code to be updated. They're still on 7.1.1, PA is up to 7.2.3. Also I'd be worried about the long-term, it seems PA have disappeared in the past, but at least they are a big team, FreedomOS looks like a one-man show.
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That's exactly the kind of disruption I want to avoid. But PA is currently pretty up to date, so hopefully they can keep it that way. I could wait a few weeks for Oreo whilst bugs are ironed out.
At first, I thought, I am lazy, great idea with FreedomOS. But for updates, it means waiting 1) for OnePlus to release then 2) for the FreedomOS code to be updated. They're still on 7.1.1, PA is up to 7.2.3. Also I'd be worried about the long-term, it seems PA have disappeared in the past, but at least they are a big team, FreedomOS looks like a one-man show.
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PA 7.2.3 is android 7.1.2 like other custom roms based on aosp/linage , 2.3 is just their name they call that rom,
And about long term support, here in XDA, we all knows every devs have their life, they could drop their project for works family...
we can't blame them:fingers-crossed:, since we pay nothing but "likes" for their works, PA may discounted, FreedomOS too.But there will many good devs here, in XDA create new good rom for us,
Did you have an nexus5 before?i run it great for years with slimkat, DU... then google dropped support for it and slim disappear, but even now, nexus 5 still can run good with android 7.1.2 Darkrom. and even Gcam with HDR+ from pixel, So dont worry about support. we're in XDA, with little search, try few roms for days, then choose your favorite :good: I'm currently running Viper with google cam, but maybe i will add lastest freedomos as secondary in multirom.
Enjoy your phone,
Oh wow, how silly do I look with the version numbers... Thanks for the clarification!
I wouldn't blame any open source development for not having time, but equally I'd rather use a ROM that gets updated in a reasonable (not quick) time. I just don't have time to spend hours researching every few months.
I have a Nexus 5X, running 7.1.2 from Google, with minimal tweaks. SuperSU, Titanium, Greenify (is that still a thing that people use), AdAway. I've been really happy with that setup.
So it's a funny decision:
PA based on AOSP with many useful things added.
FreedomOS based on Oxygen with non-useful things removed, and a few useful things added?
Did I sum it up reasonably?
Also, are these statements relevant / true?
PA is CAF-based and FreedomOS isn't? If so, should I care?
FreedomOS has Viper4Android and ARISE, which as a music fan I should care about? Or is it just fake audio processing, which actually makes the audio less natural? I'd never heard of either until I started reading about 3T ROMs.
Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
1. AOSP Gestures
Compared to OOS, AOSP gestures are terrible in the sense they feel "stiff". OOS gestures are smooth and easy to get accustomed to. Although there are apps to kind of replicate it, on AOSP it still doesn't feel the same. The little things like the animation of the app minimizing when you swipe up to the app switcher make a difference.
2. Fingerprint Reader
This is a very hit or miss subject with more misses than hits. I guess this can be chalked up to implementation still being fairly new, but I have tried so many roms and the FP reader works well until it doesn't. And when it doesn't work, it is bad. Screen flickering/darkening, random reboot, & a number of other weird glitches have deemed it unstable for me. Of course the alternative is to use a pin or something, but why if it is there?
3. Nothing "Just Right"
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy and that device had a number of roms for exactly what you wanted. With the 6T it seems like you only have two options. Either you get a stable stripped down rom, that offers nothing special except moving the clock around on the status bar, or you can get a rom w/100+ features and customizations that crashes at least 10 times a day. There doesn't seem to be a rom that has the balance of useful features and stability.
4. Custom Rom ➝ OOS = WIPE EVERYTHING!
I like trying new roms. Keeping my phone fresh and different is exciting, but it is now more difficult than ever it seems. Going from Rom to Rom is easy, but if I ever want to get back to OOS that usually involves wiping all data or even whipping out the good 'ol MSM tool because something went wrong. This whole new A/B Partion recovery nonsense has put a road block into this. There are 100s of instructions on how to make and restore a nandroid backup, but nobody has been able to do it.
5. No More Innovation/Uniqueness
It seems like every 6T rom is just a 'copy & paste' job with a different name. Gone are the days of groundbreaking roms and features. Dynamic System Bars, Pie Controls, Theme Engine, etc... these are just a few things that used to be unique and game changers. Now it's just moving icons around and remapping buttons.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
1. AOSP Gestures
Compared to OOS, AOSP gestures are terrible in the sense they feel "stiff". OOS gestures are smooth and easy to get accustomed to. Although there are apps to kind of replicate it, on AOSP it still doesn't feel the same. The little things like the animation of the app minimizing when you swipe up to the app switcher make a difference.
2. Fingerprint Reader
This is a very hit or miss subject with more misses than hits. I guess this can be chalked up to implementation still being fairly new, but I have tried so many roms and the FP reader works well until it doesn't. And when it doesn't work, it is bad. Screen flickering/darkening, random reboot, & a number of other weird glitches have deemed it unstable for me. Of course the alternative is to use a pin or something, but why if it is there?
3. Nothing "Just Right"
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy and that device had a number of roms for exactly what you wanted. With the 6T it seems like you only have two options. Either you get a stable stripped down rom, that offers nothing special except moving the clock around on the status bar, or you can get a rom w/100+ features and customizations that crashes at least 10 times a day. There doesn't seem to be a rom that has the balance of useful features and stability.
4. Custom Rom ➝ OSS = WIPE EVERYTHING!
I like trying new roms. Keeping my phone fresh and different is exciting, but it is now more difficult than ever it seems. Going from Rom to Rom is easy, but if I ever want to get back to OOS that usually involves wiping all data or even whipping out the good 'ol MSM tool because something went wrong. This whole new A/B Partion recovery nonsense has put a road block into this. There are 100s of instructions on how to make and restore a nandroid backup, but nobody has been able to do it.
5. No More Innovation/Uniqueness
It seems like every 6T rom is just a 'copy & paste' job with a different name. Gone are the days of groundbreaking roms and features. Dynamic System Bars, Pie Controls, Theme Engine, etc... these are just a few things that used to be unique and game changers. Now it's just moving icons around and remapping buttons.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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1. Fluid navigation gestures
2. Hit or miss on OSS
3. AOSIP
4. Reboot recovery... Factory reset.. Flash OOS..flash twrp reboot
5. AOSIP brings stability and android q features.. Kinda still agree with you though
Just my little 2 cents from when I was still rocking the 6t. I have 7pro now but thankfully AOSIP is already there too. But I can only imagine that development here has only dug further and provides an even better experience since I was here last
Lol. Oos sucks. Try aosip, you won't be disappointed.
Oos all the way! I have tried most custom roms, and while most are really good, but can't get through a day without jonesing to get back on Oos. I breathe a sigh of relief when I'm back using their gesture nav. We need to find ATL4ANTIS and beg him to build a CATACLYSM rom for the 6t! That rom on the Nexus 5 is still to this day the best custom i have ever used!
I have to agree with the OP, I've been flashing ROMs going back to the mytouch 4g and htc hero. Honestly this is the first phone I've owned where I really haven't felt the urge to go beyond root and substratum for more theming options of third party apps. It's nice there are some options out there, but OOS is there first rom I've used that felt mostly complete and not something patched together from bits and pieces. It's fast and smooth and battery is pretty good right out of the box. I keep ending up back on OOS, throwing on few root apps, change up the theme a bit and throw a slightly and I mean slightly better kernel and call it good.
Gotta respect your point of view,nicely written article.
Tho I'm using OmniRom Treskmod at the moment. OOS has also come a long way from what it was during Oreo days and safe to say you can easily live without a custom ROM on a 1+ device. The reason I'm using Treskmod atm because I was bored of OOS UI. Might be switching back to OOS soon
Cataclysm rocked. Loved that on my old Nexus 6.
The main reason I don't root, unlock, custom rom is I'm just too flippin' old and tired at the end of the day to
jack with it anymore. I use to flash all sorts of custom roms, back in the days of my HTC tilt phones, but since
android 4.3, I haven't felt the need to root or custom flash.
Hey, at least we have the ability to do so, but for me, end of the work day and weekend, I rarely touch my phone.
The main reason I don't switch to a custom rom is AOSP Gestures
I mostly agree with you! I like flashing ROMs but always come back to oos after a week max.
There are always some hiccups here are there, some are worse than others. Oos is just what I consider as stable.
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Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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OOS is a tight, well-designed OS.
For now, OOS, TWRP, and Magisk are sufficient for me.
@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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Some of the things I looked for was better battery, lockscreen mods such as lockscreen rotation, changing of lockscreen shortcuts. Bring able to change location of status bar elements. Blurring if background for recents UI, quick settings UI. General ability to customize. Granted OOS doesn't have most of these, but it brings enough to the table that I'm not feeling the urge to go through all the steps needed to get them with a custom ROM. The ROMs I have tried while all good, tend to feel like something is lost in translation. May not be your experience but hey... It's how I feel. Out of all the stock ROMs on all the various flavors of devices I've owned going back to the HTC MyTouch 4G with Sense 1, OOS is the only one that has just enough customisation in it whilst remaining out of my way.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I just wondered what features he was looking for that are not in ROMS now. You gave great examples. Especially the lock screen one, I have not seen that one before.
I Couldn't Agree Any More with You
I was going to share a post very similar to this one of these days sooner or later and you basically took the words right out of my mouth.
Back before I got the OP6T, I loved rooting and installing custom ROMs on my previous phones, all the way back from my Moto X (Original) Developer's Edition, to the LG Nexus 5X, and to the LG G6 (this one was a toughy), I enjoyed trying out different custom ROMs and seeing their unique features or customizability that they could bring to the table.
But with Oxygen OS, I just keep coming back to it! At first I couldn't quite place what it was exactly, but it's just as OP put it. The gestures (so nice. Fluid is a good alternative, but I don't think it quite compares to OP's nav gestures. Sure some customizability would be nice, but it just works.) The FP reader is kind of a big one and even though FP support was eventually brought to custom ROMs, they're still iffy and buggy. I thought at first I wouldn't mind them, and I didn't, but I just missed it in the end. With the nothing "just right" is what I agree with the most. OOS just feels something unlike other stock firmwares out there and it just feels smooth. One example is Nova Launcher. I've been such a huge fan of Nova for so long and the customizability is amazing, but the OnePlus launcher also replaces it for me! It all kind of "just works". For your point on going from custom ROM to OOS wipes everything, I've always accepted the fact that if I'm switching ROMs around, an easy mistake comes with a wipe, so I don't mind that. And with your fifth point, I think that's only because of us growing old of what seemed new or was more active while it existed. Newer updates for Android with security hinder modding and though we keep finding new ways to root and mod, it often just pushed developers away. Hopefully we'll see more innovation, but for the time being I do feel like it's in a state of limbo, or at least slowing down.
I will put in one more chance into AOSIP as people are saying, but right now, OOS with theOneOS, Magisk, Root, and EdXposed satisfy my needs.
I also see people asking OP what they seek in custom ROMs and from my point of view, I seek some originality and uniqueness. Something that persuades me to keep utilizing that ROM instead of pushing me away. I love customizing and ROMs like RR, Omni, BootLeggers are good examples but they lack a solid foundation of what they used to be. They're just cherry picked mods from other custom ROMs, or unofficial ports with stability improvements but that also comes rarely.
One more comment and to close it off: I'm a consumer. I believe that I definitely do know that I have an above average knowledge of how Android, modding, and all that works. I do know that it is hard work to code and create custom ROMs. I haven't personally contributed in doing anything because I simply don't have the time. I'd certainly try to if I did have the time, but I don't. It is appreciated for devs to release custom ROMs, but I feel like it is lacking. I don't mean any offense to anyone, and I hope people do respond in order for conversation or argument. I'd like to see what other people think.
TL;DR: OnePlus somehow just sucks me back into OOS in every way possible. Custom ROMs feel lacking.
@ogkillergreen i couldnt agree more. I laughed at my friend who jumped to One Plus before me when he told me how amazing OOS was. When I got the OP6t, i was blown away at what OP has done. I have been flashing ROMS and mods since the OG Droid Days. Never have I kept a stock rom as my main, not to mention as my preference. On the 6t, while ive tried most roms, its not been worth the trade-offs yet. the clock in status bar on oos bugs the pi$$ out of me. (align right would have been a good option for one plus to put in) but if thats my only gripe in UI, its near perfect *for me*. Every custom rom i tried drank battery compared to OOS. Especially compared to OOS with Omega kernel. my best battery life on an android device ever was with the 5/29 build of omega on stock 9.0.14.
I get it, though. Some people are convinced AOSP-based is always better, more feature laden, and simply faster. I was one of those people. The OP6T has swayed my opinion forever. Stock is no longer a dirty word to me. Especially when coupled with a few magisk modules and Omega kernel.
Scott said:
@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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It's not so much of unique features, it's more of just frustration in seeing the same features on every rom. Before I open a thread for a rom I already know what will be on the features list. You could post a features list from a rom and I would not be able to tell you which rom it's from. I am looking for something that stands out from the rest, but not in a gimmick like way.
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It's not so much of unique features, it's more of just frustration in seeing the same features on every rom. Before I open a thread for a rom I already know what will be on the features list. You could post a features list from a rom and I would not be able to tell you which rom it's from. I am looking for something that stands out from the rest, but not in a gimmick like way.
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BootLeggers has some sick themes and other UI Related stuff up its sleeve it also has Minimal Customization and is Stable. If you want a good Custom ROM I'd recommend BootLeggers. But yeah Stock OOS Beta + Magisk & Subs is enough for me.
Surprised you haven't mentioned loss of Widevine L1 as the number one reason to stick with stock OOS
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Surprised you haven't mentioned loss of Widevine L1 as the number one reason to stick with stock OOS
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I think that is always a good reason to stay stock, but don't you lose that by just unlocking your bootloader?