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Questions coming from the AT&T S2

I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.

I have found that it works EXACTLY like the GSII. The screen has one more row for shortcuts.
You'll not notice any difference, other than the enormous size difference. I have huge hands, so the size doesn't matter to me. It's actually quite comfortable.
I just hope some better cases come out for it. There is nothing but crap available now.

Thank you for your thoughts on the device. I'm looking to get one ASAP. Espically since that and the S2 will get ICS in Q1 2012. I know the international versions will get it much quicker then the carrier (AT&T, etc) locked down versions.

GPS is best on the market, literally. its using a new setup that allows for access to many more satellites and locks on better than most dedicated GPS units.
apps are hit and miss. some scale fully, some dont scale at all. theres an app to resize apps though.
i dont use BT when i make calls. its a good sized phone. only downside is that there is a fair bit of leakage out of the earpiece, ie. people around you can often hear both sides of the conversation.

Souai said:
GPS is best on the market, literally. its using a new setup that allows for access to many more satellites and locks on better than most dedicated GPS units.
apps are hit and miss. some scale fully, some dont scale at all. theres an app to resize apps though.
i dont use BT when i make calls. its a good sized phone. only downside is that there is a fair bit of leakage out of the earpiece, ie. people around you can often hear both sides of the conversation.
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What is the app that resizes? Does the resizing make it look distorted? How's the facebook app and other common ones like tapatalk, etc

Gary86 said:
What is the app that resizes? Does the resizing make it look distorted? How's the facebook app and other common ones like tapatalk, etc
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Facebook and TapaTalk both work great. No issues whatsoever. I have not seen any rendering issues at all. There have been a few apps that won't download because they say they don't work on a tablet. The phone shows up as a tablet in the Android Market.

Gary86 said:
I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.
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GPS is Fantastic! Better than the SGSII. ( I had SGSII for 3 weeks and also have a skyrocket) I routinely get a lock INSIDE my house!
You can pop your ATT SIM in but you must configure the APN for Data and MMS.
I have downloaded about 20 (not finished yet) apps to my GNote and they all look fine!
I have only made calls with bluetooth. I have not held to my ear yet except at home. It seems a bit large to do that. My skyrocket is crap with bluetooth but the GNote has been great with my car.
I do not like swipe or the samsung keyboard. Had to download the gingerbread keyboard. I have used several but keep coming back to that one.
Typing is 1000 time easier and better. For the life of me I could not type accurately type on the SGSII...
The screen resolution will blow you away! Watch that video that comes on it! WOW! There is no bloat as with ATT.
I do not know if ATT can detect the tether or not? When I log on to my ATT account it does not show the phone I am using. Does anyone know for sure?

Gary86 said:
I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.
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1. The GPS is fantastic! It literally outperforms anything else I have ever used, including dedicated stand-alone GPS units.
2. There was initially an issue with AT&T where a particular range of Note IMEI's were being erroneously detected as a tablet device on the system. This issue seems to have been resolved. Even then, not every Note is/was affected anyway. The only other thing I can recommend (apart from configuring the correct APN's, which you can find throughout this forum) is to disable Fast Dormancy. Enter *#*#9900#*#* from your dialer and disable that feature from the menu that pops up. Basically it's a feature that AT&T doesn't use, and disabling it on your Note will vastly improve data speed and reliability.
3. So far I haven't had any issues with apps. Everything I've used looks fine so far.
4. Generally I'm loving the Note. There are a couple of minor (for me anyway) niggles. Mainly, it definitely is a big laggier than the SGS2, but not to the point where it's a deal breaker for me. The lag can mostly be attributed to software for now, but I expect these issues will mostly be solved when ICS is released for it. In the mean time, using SPB Shell 3D in tablet mode instead of TouchWiz has worked wonders. The side button on the s-pen is a little difficult to find just by feeling around for it, but that can be alleviated by etching a # pattern with a razor blade onto the button, giving it just a little more texture. As for actual call quality, honestly it's the clearest and best sounding call quality I have ever heard on a phone, period. Even better than most wired phones I've used!
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planoman said:
I do not like swipe or the samsung keyboard. Had to download the gingerbread keyboard. I have used several but keep coming back to that one.
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Totally agree! Been using the Gingerbread keyboard since my old Captivate, and even on tablets! By far my favourite keyboard!
planoman said:
I do not know if ATT can detect the tether or not? When I log on to my ATT account it does not show the phone I am using. Does anyone know for sure?
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Well, considering that our unlocked devices are free of any AT&T bloatware or other intrusiveware that would otherwise report the specific use of our own equipment, I'm willing to bet that the only way AT&T would be able to detect that we're tethering is to perform deep packet inspection in order to determine the kind of traffic going through the device. I have tethered with both my old unlocked SGS2 and now my Note using only the stock Android tethering ability with no issues. However, I would recommend that you tether only when absolutely necessary and not abuse it, lest you risk being spotted by the Evil Eye of Sauron. Basically, as long as you don't draw unnecessary attention to yourself, you should be fine.

Unhappy with Root? Share your stories....

I've been a devoted rooter ever since my very first android phone, the Motorola Atrix (the very first phone with a fingerprint reader!). Loved it! After that, I had dutifully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket, and then the Galaxy S 4 (before the update that put the whole phone on crazy lock-down). At first, I was very unhappy with not being able to root the ATT S5, but once I detoxed myself from the root addiction, I found that I really enjoyed the phone and everything worked really well. No FCs, no weird compatability issues because of the Xposed Framework and/or Wanam Xposed. Sure, I have to live without ad blocking or being able to tether (on a grandfathered unlimited data, so no tethering plan for me), and most missed is the inability to use TiBu (although I have found that Helium does a decent enough job).
So, after having been rooted for about 48 hours, I decided to undo the mess. I followed the instructions posted here on how to ODIN the original firmware and then perform the OTA update again. Took me a few hours to get my phone back to the state (more or less) it was in pre-root - especially with the help of Helium (paid for Premium, really worth it).
Anyone else experience something similar? Have another reason for de-rooting? Curious.....
I'd be more inclined to keep root on this device if things didn't get so screwed up with it....it was almost like a full time job keeping it operational with all the "moving pieces" so-to-speak (the real clincher for me was that the phonebook transfer via BT to my car was so screwed up post-root, that it just wasn't worth having it - especially in light of my discovery that after I've detoxed myself from the root addiction and still enjoyed my phone).
--Q

quordandis said:
I've been a devoted rooter ever since my very first android phone, the Motorola Atrix (the very first phone with a fingerprint reader!). Loved it! After that, I had dutifully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket, and then the Galaxy S 4 (before the update that put the whole phone on crazy lock-down). At first, I was very unhappy with not being able to root the ATT S5, but once I detoxed myself from the root addiction, I found that I really enjoyed the phone and everything worked really well. No FCs, no weird compatability issues because of the Xposed Framework and/or Wanam Xposed. Sure, I have to live without ad blocking or being able to tether (on a grandfathered unlimited data, so no tethering plan for me), and most missed is the inability to use TiBu (although I have found that Helium does a decent enough job).
So, after having been rooted for about 48 hours, I decided to undo the mess. I followed the instructions posted here on how to ODIN the original firmware and then perform the OTA update again. Took me a few hours to get my phone back to the state (more or less) it was in pre-root - especially with the help of Helium (paid for Premium, really worth it).
Anyone else experience something similar? Have another reason for de-rooting? Curious.....
I'd be more inclined to keep root on this device if things didn't get so screwed up with it....it was almost like a full time job keeping it operational with all the "moving pieces" so-to-speak (the real clincher for me was that the phonebook transfer via BT to my car was so screwed up post-root, that it just wasn't worth having it - especially in light of my discovery that after I've detoxed myself from the root addiction and still enjoyed my phone).
--Q
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I think it's all about what you do with a rooted phone that either makes it a full time job or not just to keep it up and running smooth. Me for instance could really care less about custom roms and what not. I like root just for removing bloatware to make the phone and battery better. And in the case of the AT&T s5 the ability to change my default storage to the external sd card. Once that is done I tweak with it for a week or so finding the best performance settings and enabling tether and then I just leave it alone.
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I rooted and installed xposed/wanam and no problems whatsoever.
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It's not root that screws up your phone. It's something that you do after rooting that screws up the phone.
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No issues here, I was happy to root and remove the att and samsung bloatware.
I am also not a fan of touchwiz and that will take a while before we have an unlocked boot loader and are able to load custom roms..
To each their own it is no more of a pain in the ass to run a rooted phone vs a non rooted phone. Im at a loss as to why you think it was that much trouble?

quordandis said:
I've been a devoted rooter ever since my very first android phone, the Motorola Atrix (the very first phone with a fingerprint reader!). Loved it! After that, I had dutifully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket, and then the Galaxy S 4 (before the update that put the whole phone on crazy lock-down). At first, I was very unhappy with not being able to root the ATT S5, but once I detoxed myself from the root addiction, I found that I really enjoyed the phone and everything worked really well. No FCs, no weird compatability issues because of the Xposed Framework and/or Wanam Xposed. Sure, I have to live without ad blocking or being able to tether (on a grandfathered unlimited data, so no tethering plan for me), and most missed is the inability to use TiBu (although I have found that Helium does a decent enough job).
So, after having been rooted for about 48 hours, I decided to undo the mess. I followed the instructions posted here on how to ODIN the original firmware and then perform the OTA update again. Took me a few hours to get my phone back to the state (more or less) it was in pre-root - especially with the help of Helium (paid for Premium, really worth it).
Anyone else experience something similar? Have another reason for de-rooting? Curious.....
I'd be more inclined to keep root on this device if things didn't get so screwed up with it....it was almost like a full time job keeping it operational with all the "moving pieces" so-to-speak (the real clincher for me was that the phonebook transfer via BT to my car was so screwed up post-root, that it just wasn't worth having it - especially in light of my discovery that after I've detoxed myself from the root addiction and still enjoyed my phone).
--Q
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I understand where you are coming from, I enjoy root for the ability to use Tibu and remove bloat. I also was like you I had a granfathered plan since 1997, the BellSouth mobility day's. I just recently changed to the Mobile data share plan, after analyzing my data usage for the last couple of years I realized my data was under 12 gigs a month for the whole family. I signed up for the 15 gig data share plan have saved $ 40 dollars or more per month. Just a heads up you may want to look into it. Oh and as for tethering it is included in the mobile data share plan.

I assure you that Xposed and Wanam definitely interfere with some of the phone's processes. In fact, there's a whole thread here that describes the steps you have to take to remove the lag on your phone and allow you to use S Health (which I do). But then, other things get screwy, because the ro.securestorage.support property is set to true because other processes rely on it, so now I have a whole slew of other issues that arise from it.
I can tell you from the outset, all I did was root, install xposed, install wanam, and installed the ISIS Root Bypass module, and then all these issues came from that. I just felt it wasn't worth it, and I can easily freeze/disable/turn off the bloatware so I don't have issues with that, per se.
--Q

The stuff I really wanted root for doesn't cause any ongoing weirdness. I was getting along ok without root but I am a LOT happier now:
- permanently disable the annoying, super-loud boot sound without having to resort to workarounds
- disable the tether provisioning check (my plan includes tethering, but on more than one occasion the provisioning check failed and told me to try later)
- full use of BBS and Greenify to monitor/tame battery suckers
- TiBu for freezing (I don't attempt to delete the bloatware) and backups too
- sdfix to gain full access to my sd card
To me, all of that stuff with the exception of the tether provisioning check really should be possible for everyone if they want it. And the tether check could at least reasonably cache your status.
xposed modules are probably the biggest culprit in rooted-user problems (even more than people deleting stuff they shouldn't), and while I love a lot of the customizations xposed allows (a big one for me was being able to show the setting in the messaging app that says not to turn on the screen when a message comes in - no more pocket-crap for me!), I could live without that. The one xposed module I would say I might miss is Xprivacy. I'm relatively conservative in what I block, but it is amazing the info our apps can have access to.

jdock said:
The stuff I really wanted root for doesn't cause any ongoing weirdness. I was getting along ok without root but I am a LOT happier now:
- permanently disable the annoying, super-loud boot sound without having to resort to workarounds
- disable the tether provisioning check (my plan includes tethering, but on more than one occasion the provisioning check failed and told me to try later)
- full use of BBS and Greenify to monitor/tame battery suckers
- TiBu for freezing (I don't attempt to delete the bloatware) and backups too
- sdfix to gain full access to my sd card
To me, all of that stuff with the exception of the tether provisioning check really should be possible for everyone if they want it. And the tether check could at least reasonably cache your status.
xposed modules are probably the biggest culprit in rooted-user problems (even more than people deleting stuff they shouldn't), and while I love a lot of the customizations xposed allows (a big one for me was being able to show the setting in the messaging app that says not to turn on the screen when a message comes in - no more pocket-crap for me!), I could live without that. The one xposed module I would say I might miss is Xprivacy. I'm relatively conservative in what I block, but it is amazing the info our apps can have access to.
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Hmm....perhaps I'll revisit rooting again....and keep off of xposed....I too miss xprivacy - keep it nice and updated on my Xoom and S4
Would not mind just using root for tethering, tibu and sdfix.....Do you have links to the tethering and sdfix solution you used? I guess the real litmus test here is if my car's bluetooth doesn't get all EFFED up on the phonebook. The weirdest thing....after I rooted (even before xposed) I would activate voice recognition and say "Call Home" it would repeat back to me in confirmation "Call Home" in the lovely female robotic voice. Then proceed to dial someone completely different. VERY weird.
--Q
PS - I'm not a newb user here...been delving into the guts of phones back when I had the old school Windows Mobile devices

quordandis said:
Hmm....perhaps I'll revisit rooting again....and keep off of xposed....I too miss xprivacy - keep it nice and updated on my Xoom and S4
Would not mind just using root for tethering, tibu and sdfix.....Do you have links to the tethering and sdfix solution you used? I guess the real litmus test here is if my car's bluetooth doesn't get all EFFED up on the phonebook. The weirdest thing....after I rooted (even before xposed) I would activate voice recognition and say "Call Home" it would repeat back to me in confirmation "Call Home" in the lovely female robotic voice. Then proceed to dial someone completely different. VERY weird.
--Q
PS - I'm not a newb user here...been delving into the guts of phones back when I had the old school Windows Mobile devices
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The only thing I did after I rooted my phone was to get rid of the boot sound and used sdfix to be able to use my sd card. But I was having random problems with some apps not working. I would have to uninstall the app and reinstall it to get it to work again. This was really annoying since I was on a trip and really needed to use the apps without all the bother. So I decided to install xposed to try to fix the problems I was having. That just made everything worse--more apps that I use a lot stopped working. After that I used Kies3 to get back to unrooted stock and reinstalled all my data from backup. I am using silent boot to get rid of the boot sound and adjusting to the way I have to use my sd card now. I plan to wait a while before I try root again.
This will be my first smart phone that I am using unrooted. But everything is working now and I have the most annoying things fixed without root.

Sticking with root. Agreed that it's what you do after root that messes things up. Sometimes when you have the power, you don't stop to think whether you should make changes. Unfortunately the phones are built now where many apps have their hands in others to make the user experience "better". The users in this instance are the general masses who just want a phone to work by statistics. It fails to acknowledge that some people think differently. Sometimes I pick up my sister's phone and wonder why she would have the launcher do what she did but that's her phone.
Would I un-root? That's a firm no good buddy. I appreciate everyone's input in making the rooting process less of a landmine but I would never give up the ability to do what I want at, the time that I want. The first thing I did was freeze att.update.software among other att software. (To the author of the post, att did a pretty good job in making everything work in it's first iteration). Then on to battery extending, greenify and wakelock detector. Finally I will delve into customizing my UI but like the author said, Touchwiz doesn't bother me that much, I just sped things up in the developer's option. Because I'm not a heavy phone user I am now getting about 3 days from my charge and still able to get my message updates albeit on my terms, not pushed to me. Also, not having to see ads anymore? Priceless.
And because of everyone else's efforts, I can still go into UPS in case of those times that I find I can't get access to a charger, which now a days, is not that often.

quordandis said:
Hmm....perhaps I'll revisit rooting again....and keep off of xposed....I too miss xprivacy - keep it nice and updated on my Xoom and S4
Would not mind just using root for tethering, tibu and sdfix.....Do you have links to the tethering and sdfix solution you used?
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For the sd permissions I used this sdfix app from the play store. There are several and they just edit /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml for you, so you could do it manually too.
I have to admit, for the tether provisioning, right now I'm using the option in Wanam Xposed just because it was quick. Supposedly the X Tether module works too. A non-xposed method is here but I didn't try it since the xposed module worked. On my old phone it was as simple as using an sql editor to change the entitlement_check setting in /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db - I don't see that in the GS5, but it may be that the default is 1 and just adding it with a value of 0 will work.
Another idea I hadn't tried (no need to) was the old standby wifi tether for root users app; it might not work as-is for the GS5 but it's just a frontend for a couple of scripts that might be fairly easy to get working since the basic idea is the same and not magic at all (load the wifi device modules, start the wpa_supplicant on it, start a dhcp server on it, setup routing/iptables, and off you go - none of that needs to check to see if you're allowed; the obvious downside is no fancy gui to start/configure/monitor it). On my old phone, I used this as a framework for my own script that brought wifi up simultaneously with mobile data - not operating as a hotspot, but connecting to my home wireless - and then I could run a socks proxy on my phone and use that from anything on my home network, wireless or wired.
The weirdest thing....after I rooted (even before xposed) I would activate voice recognition and say "Call Home" it would repeat back to me in confirmation "Call Home" in the lovely female robotic voice. Then proceed to dial someone completely different. VERY weird.
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That is weird, and if the only thing you did was root, I can't see any reason for something like that to happen.
Edit: this thread has another method for disabling the provisioning check, which looks like a great way if you don't want to use xposed or modify framework.apk.

quordandis said:
I've been a devoted rooter ever since my very first android phone, the Motorola Atrix (the very first phone with a fingerprint reader!). Loved it! After that, I had dutifully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket, and then the Galaxy S 4 (before the update that put the whole phone on crazy lock-down). At first, I was very unhappy with not being able to root the ATT S5, but once I detoxed myself from the root addiction, I found that I really enjoyed the phone and everything worked really well. No FCs, no weird compatability issues because of the Xposed Framework and/or Wanam Xposed. Sure, I have to live without ad blocking or being able to tether (on a grandfathered unlimited data, so no tethering plan for me), and most missed is the inability to use TiBu (although I have found that Helium does a decent enough job).
So, after having been rooted for about 48 hours, I decided to undo the mess. I followed the instructions posted here on how to ODIN the original firmware and then perform the OTA update again. Took me a few hours to get my phone back to the state (more or less) it was in pre-root - especially with the help of Helium (paid for Premium, really worth it).
Anyone else experience something similar? Have another reason for de-rooting? Curious.....
I'd be more inclined to keep root on this device if things didn't get so screwed up with it....it was almost like a full time job keeping it operational with all the "moving pieces" so-to-speak (the real clincher for me was that the phonebook transfer via BT to my car was so screwed up post-root, that it just wasn't worth having it - especially in light of my discovery that after I've detoxed myself from the root addiction and still enjoyed my phone).
--Q
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It takes time to learn what you can and can't tweak once you have "root", each device is different, each users needs are different. Where battery life and de-bloating may important to one it might very well be insignificant to another, Development is time consuming and with xPosed and the modules that go with it every time Google comes out with an updated OS or Samsung, HTC,LG or Motorola come out with a device it requires the devs to step back and re-evaluate the code and make appropriate adjustments for the best behavior, modifications for compatibility or in the worst case scenario a complete re-write. We all read (or should read) the disclaimers with every tweak or mod we do and as always if it doesnt work or causes bad behavior we can remove it.

I had small issues at first. Then I used Kies 3 to restore. Started over and immediately rooted. Installed Xposed and all 6 of my favorite Modules. Also did the Tool Kit (Dev Sec) Phone is flying fast and has great battery life. I have no issues at all.
I love root......(( I have the s 5 Active ))

I guess I'm a very conservative rooter. I don't freeze apps unless I know what they are, so there's some on the "safe to freeze" list that I still have enabled. After having CM running on my Galaxy S II Skyrocket for so long, I was really impressed with the S5. Really the only thing I missed was AdFree Android. However having CM made my Skyrocket last a lot longer than it would have on the stock ROM, I only upgraded because the hardware started getting wonky.
So after root, I've only installed AdFree, SDFix, and froze a few bloat apps that were persistently in the running apps list that I couldn't disable in stock form. Really helped with battery life too, I can't use phone much during the day due to my job, but battery life jumped from 75-80% at the end of the day to around 90% if I don't touch it (~85% if I check FB during lunch for a few minutes).
There's a few more tweaks that I would like, but seeing all the issues with Xposed, I'll either deal or figure out a manual change at some point. Maybe I'll research what the ro.securestorage.support module is, since disabling it is really why I haven't tried Xposed. (Yes, I wanted root access, but I don't want to make my phone any less secure than I have to.)
tl;dr If you like the phone is stock form, go easy on the modifications after getting root.

quordandis said:
I've been a devoted rooter ever since my very first android phone, the Motorola Atrix (the very first phone with a fingerprint reader!). Loved it! After that, I had dutifully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket, and then the Galaxy S 4 (before the update that put the whole phone on crazy lock-down). At first, I was very unhappy with not being able to root the ATT S5, but once I detoxed myself from the root addiction, I found that I really enjoyed the phone and everything worked really well. No FCs, no weird compatability issues because of the Xposed Framework and/or Wanam Xposed. Sure, I have to live without ad blocking or being able to tether (on a grandfathered unlimited data, so no tethering plan for me), and most missed is the inability to use TiBu (although I have found that Helium does a decent enough job).
So, after having been rooted for about 48 hours, I decided to undo the mess. I followed the instructions posted here on how to ODIN the original firmware and then perform the OTA update again. Took me a few hours to get my phone back to the state (more or less) it was in pre-root - especially with the help of Helium (paid for Premium, really worth it).
Anyone else experience something similar? Have another reason for de-rooting? Curious.....
I'd be more inclined to keep root on this device if things didn't get so screwed up with it....it was almost like a full time job keeping it operational with all the "moving pieces" so-to-speak (the real clincher for me was that the phonebook transfer via BT to my car was so screwed up post-root, that it just wasn't worth having it - especially in light of my discovery that after I've detoxed myself from the root addiction and still enjoyed my phone).
--Q
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Wow, I completely 110% disagree with everything you have mentioned here, this has not at all be my experience at all but then again I'm tech savvy. If I were you I would be buying apple products. I for one of the opinion, if I cant root it, I don't want it and won't pay money for it. That goes for knox 0x1 bootloaders as well. Samsung won't see another dime from me again!
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I'm rooted. I froze at&t's crap, chat on, hangouts, and google+.
freezing ANYTHING Samsung seems to create a huge mess on this device.

shortydoggg said:
It's not root that screws up your phone. It's something that you do after rooting that screws up the phone.
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Spot on
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Spot on
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Apparently, not entirely true. Here's one for you:
Pre-root, the phone connects just fine via bluetooth to my car. Upon initial pairing, I get a request to allow reading of contact list, phone history and messages. I agree. Car syncs contacts and saves to internal car temp memory (this sync occurs each time the car is turned on and the BT connection is established). Activate voice recognition to "Call Home" - car confirms with audible prompt "Call Home. Say yes, no or correction" to which I would reply "Yes" and then the car would call the contact labeled as "Home" on my phone which it synced.
Now, run towelroot, reboots phone with JUST root (su binary). Phone loads up just fine. Car establishes bluetooth connection. Tell it to "Call Home" everything proceeds as expected. I confirm with "yes" and it proceeds to dial a completely different phone number even though the voice prompt confirmed that I indeed wanted to call "home."
Ok - so I unpair the car from the phone, and delete the phone profile from the car. Decide to start from scratch. Phone pairs with the car and I allow the syncing of contacts, etc as was the case pre-root. Attempt to "Call Home" again and the same weird phenomenon occurs where it will confirm it's calling home, then proceed to dial a completely different contact. Ok. I clear the phonebook and force it to resync the contacts. Same issue. Ok. Unpair car from phone, delete phone from car.
Reboot phone into stock recovery and wipe cache. Try pairing again and do the whole shebang. SAME FREAKING ISSUE WITH THE CONTACT SYCN. Meanwhile, ONLY rooted the phone with the added su binary. No other root-enabled apps installed or used. Haven't even USED su yet to do anything other than run "adb shell" and confirm su works. (didn't even install a root checker).
I decide to UNROOT by installing supersu then using it to unroot. Reboot, unroot successful, no su binary, and remove supersu. Pair phone and car again, go through the steps and lo' and behold! CONTACT SYNC WORKED AND CAR DIALS APPROPRIATE CONTACT.
So, in reference to
shortydoggg said:
It's not root that screws up your phone. It's something that you do after rooting that screws up the phone.
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- that's probably true in most cases, just not in this one. I'm not saying it's the root per se, but certainly something about the su binary or how the phone gets rooted through the exploit or something definitely screws something up.......

quordandis said:
Apparently, not entirely true. Here's one for you:
Pre-root, the phone connects just fine via bluetooth to my car. Upon initial pairing, I get a request to allow reading of contact list, phone history and messages. I agree. Car syncs contacts and saves to internal car temp memory (this sync occurs each time the car is turned on and the BT connection is established). Activate voice recognition to "Call Home" - car confirms with audible prompt "Call Home. Say yes, no or correction" to which I would reply "Yes" and then the car would call the contact labeled as "Home" on my phone which it synced.
Now, run towelroot, reboots phone with JUST root (su binary). Phone loads up just fine. Car establishes bluetooth connection. Tell it to "Call Home" everything proceeds as expected. I confirm with "yes" and it proceeds to dial a completely different phone number even though the voice prompt confirmed that I indeed wanted to call "home."
Ok - so I unpair the car from the phone, and delete the phone profile from the car. Decide to start from scratch. Phone pairs with the car and I allow the syncing of contacts, etc as was the case pre-root. Attempt to "Call Home" again and the same weird phenomenon occurs where it will confirm it's calling home, then proceed to dial a completely different contact. Ok. I clear the phonebook and force it to resync the contacts. Same issue. Ok. Unpair car from phone, delete phone from car.
Reboot phone into stock recovery and wipe cache. Try pairing again and do the whole shebang. SAME FREAKING ISSUE WITH THE CONTACT SYCN. Meanwhile, ONLY rooted the phone with the added su binary. No other root-enabled apps installed or used. Haven't even USED su yet to do anything other than run "adb shell" and confirm su works. (didn't even install a root checker).
I decide to UNROOT by installing supersu then using it to unroot. Reboot, unroot successful, no su binary, and remove supersu. Pair phone and car again, go through the steps and lo' and behold! CONTACT SYNC WORKED AND CAR DIALS APPROPRIATE CONTACT.
So, in reference to - that's probably true in most cases, just not in this one. I'm not saying it's the root per se, but certainly something about the su binary or how the phone gets rooted through the exploit or something definitely screws something up.......
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Dunno whats wrong with your setup, but my rooted phone works fine in my wife's Ford and my Subaru.

[Q] USB reverse tether?

Im running the 400mb extreme debloat ROM and trying to do USB reverse tethering. I tried installing a few different applications and just ended up getting different trouble. One of them I needed to install two other applications, another kept force closing and a third kept saying it couldn't read my system.
Is there a way to enable it in the ROM itself? Are there any good apps? I remember reverse tether working for me on my s3.
Thanks
**After a few more hours of searching, I stumbled upon an old post that mentioned EasyTether. So far it seems to work. I'm not sure if I want to spend $10 on it right now though. Also not sure if root is required or not. (Didn't ask for root permissions so you can assume you don't need root.)

I love this rom and thats the only issue i have with that rom. I was using foxfi and had it working but after a little bit of downloading it stops your tether because of a data limitation written into the program. How does the easy tether work for you so far? Thanks

iRODiNC said:
I love this rom and thats the only issue i have with that rom. I was using foxfi and had it working but after a little bit of downloading it stops your tether because of a data limitation written into the program. How does the easy tether work for you so far? Thanks
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So far so good. I decided I would do the 2 hour trial with Pro and everything works smooth. (Buy it, use it for 2 hours, and refund if it wasn't what I needed).
The last thing I'm looking at is if it supports USB 3.0. Cause that would be much faster internet usage.

Need some help with Note 5 lack of features is it fixable??

Hi I am coming form a heavily used Note 2. As a business owner the Note 2 was my most important piece of equipment!!! Plus being always on the go it's flash video capabilities made being away from home easy. I never missed a basketball game or big fight. Watched them right on my phone. I remember being at a restaurant one Saturday night away from home and having the whole bar area crowd around my phone to watch a big fight. Pretty cool and useful. Unfortunately my Note 2 bit the dust and cant be fixed for reasonable money. Sprint store talked me into a Note 5 for my upgrade and contract renewal with a cheaper plan.
I was wondering if there are any ways to get similar apps or mods on my Note 5 Without rooting it. I am very dissapointed and feel like taking it back. Not impressed at all. Especially since I am out of pocket $200 and had to sign a 2 year plan. Maybe somebody can help or suggest some things. Or at least this can be a WARNING to potential buyers of the phones REAL LIFE CAPABILITIES AND LIMITS. Not some generic commercial hype or store sales pitch of since its a #5 it is better and does more things than the earlier numbered phones.
1. No live sports or new movie streams though web browsers
Lack of flash support ... I used flash websites to stream live sports or newer movies on my Note 2. I have downloaded the proper Adobe Flash version on the Note 5. I have also downloaded and enabled browsers like Firefox, Flash Fox, and Dolphin.
I have verified that flash is working. However, the sites for the live sports and movies DO NOT work. These sites all worked fine with the Note 2 stock browser.... Any other flash browser suggestions???? Anyway to download or install the Note 2 stock browser on Note 5?????
2. Mirroring. Watching EXACTLY what you see on your phone to a big TV.
All share Samsung data caster. I bought an expensive Samsung data caster that worked well to mirror my phone on to my living room TV.....Anyway to use this with my Note 5????? I don't see the option to on the phone.
Will a MHL cord to hdmi still mirror for a note 5??????
3. Using your internet and making a phone call at the same time.
Since I travel I use my phone as a modem for my laptop and computers....Tether... On my Note 2 with the PDA.net app it worked great. Was faster than any home internet I ever had. I could be on the phone and be browsing the web on my computer at the same time. It worked so well I cancelled my home ISP. It also came in handy even to just look things up on the phones internet while you were talking to clients.... I was VERY UPSET to find out that I can not do any of this on the Note 5. This is a major deal. I don't get this one at all. Any way to fix???????
4. Sound for music is not anything better.
5. Notifications and display are far less attention grabbing than on the Note 2. Easily miss texts or overlook them. The notification L.E.D.S are super WEAK.
6. My battery drains way faster! It does charge faster though. But I don't think this will be a good device to have where charging is not an option for a while.
7. You cant delete photos from the gallery... You have to open up the camera app to delete them... This seems so strange and pointless. Am I missing something here??????
Would appreciate any help or feedback on these issues. Thanks...

1. Not sure
2. Chromecast/Fire Stick, both work as I have personally tested this and both are available for under 50 dollars. (The screen mirroring option is in the quick toggles on your Note 5, mirrors everything on the screen not just compatible apps.)
3.Have not tested this
4. I think you need better headphones if you think it does not sound better.
5. Have not noticed this either
6. Disable unneeded apps, I am getting great battery life from mine.
7.QuickPic

whoamanwtf said:
1. Not sure
2. Chromecast/Fire Stick, both work as I have personally tested this and both are available for under 50 dollars. (The screen mirroring option is in the quick toggles on your Note 5, mirrors everything on the screen not just compatible apps.)
3.Have not tested this
4. I think you need better headphones if you think it does not sound better.
5. Have not noticed this either
6. Disable unneeded apps, I am getting great battery life from mine.
7.QuickPic
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Thanks for the info and response!!!!
2. I tried the the "quick connect" feature in the toggle down menu. IT WORKED with my DATA CASTER. I just don't like how it cuts the WI FI on too. i can live with that though. I now have mirroring without having to buy something else. Thanks!!!!
3. Yeah I have tested and confirmed with Sprint. Supposedly its a big deal and a lot of people are sending their phones back because of this. Literally just had a real life scenario where i needed to be on the phone and browse the web but couldn't..
4. I have $60 earbuds from Sienheiser. Maybe your ears work better or you have better head phones. I'm not willing to pay any more than $60 or buy another pair. They are less than a year old. But the sound is great. Just hard for my ears to pick up the difference. Both Note 2 and note 5 sound excellent though.
5. I also noticed that if you stay on a text message conversation screen and leave the screen on. . . . It will not ring or notify you if an additional text from that sender comes through. I don't like that at all. I want it to ring and vibrate for every text no matter what!
6. Can you clarify what you mean by disable????? Like delete???? Which ones did you get rid of????
7. I will look into QuickPic.....I'm guessing its an app in the play store?

Was your note 2 on lollipop? I have a feeling son of the things like notifications might be a lollipop thing not a note 5 thing
Go to your setting and adjust everything till it feels like your ideal phone.
If you're near wifi you can talk and be online at the same time l

GreeleyXda said:
Was your note 2 on lollipop? I have a feeling son of the things like notifications might be a lollipop thing not a note 5 thing
Go to your setting and adjust everything till it feels like your ideal phone.
If you're near wifi you can talk and be online at the same time l
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No i didnt have lollipop. I tried and played with the notification settings. Those are more limited too. Using wifi isnt an option for me often because i cancelled my home isp because tethering was faster and more dependable.

gn4life84 said:
No i didnt have lollipop. I tried and played with the notification settings. Those are more limited too. Using wifi isnt an option for me often because i cancelled my home isp because tethering was faster and more dependable.
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just tried first row sports using the dolphin browser and dolphin jetpack, after a little tinkering and changing to desktop mode, auto enabling flash play it works on streaming sports with flash. Give that a go and let me know

phil.W said:
just tried first row sports using the dolphin browser and dolphin jetpack, after a little tinkering and changing to desktop mode, auto enabling flash play it works on streaming sports with flash. Give that a go and let me know
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I have tried first row sports. With no luck. Freezes after a second at best.
Are you able to go full screen?
What link is working for you?
What is Dolphin jetpack?
Thanks for the help!

Just an extension of dolphin browser in the marketplace. Give it a go

gn4life84 said:
Hi I am coming form a heavily used Note 2. As a business owner the Note 2 was my most important piece of equipment!!! Plus being always on the go it's flash video capabilities made being away from home easy. I never missed a basketball game or big fight. Watched them right on my phone. I remember being at a restaurant one Saturday night away from home and having the whole bar area crowd around my phone to watch a big fight. Pretty cool and useful. Unfortunately my Note 2 bit the dust and cant be fixed for reasonable money. Sprint store talked me into a Note 5 for my upgrade and contract renewal with a cheaper plan.
I was wondering if there are any ways to get similar apps or mods on my Note 5 Without rooting it. I am very dissapointed and feel like taking it back. Not impressed at all. Especially since I am out of pocket $200 and had to sign a 2 year plan. Maybe somebody can help or suggest some things. Or at least this can be a WARNING to potential buyers of the phones REAL LIFE CAPABILITIES AND LIMITS. Not some generic commercial hype or store sales pitch of since its a #5 it is better and does more things than the earlier numbered phones.
1. No live sports or new movie streams though web browsers
Lack of flash support ... I used flash websites to stream live sports or newer movies on my Note 2. I have downloaded the proper Adobe Flash version on the Note 5. I have also downloaded and enabled browsers like Firefox, Flash Fox, and Dolphin.
I have verified that flash is working. However, the sites for the live sports and movies DO NOT work. These sites all worked fine with the Note 2 stock browser.... Any other flash browser suggestions???? Anyway to download or install the Note 2 stock browser on Note 5?????
2. Mirroring. Watching EXACTLY what you see on your phone to a big TV.
All share Samsung data caster. I bought an expensive Samsung data caster that worked well to mirror my phone on to my living room TV.....Anyway to use this with my Note 5????? I don't see the option to on the phone.
Will a MHL cord to hdmi still mirror for a note 5??????
3. Using your internet and making a phone call at the same time.
Since I travel I use my phone as a modem for my laptop and computers....Tether... On my Note 2 with the PDA.net app it worked great. Was faster than any home internet I ever had. I could be on the phone and be browsing the web on my computer at the same time. It worked so well I cancelled my home ISP. It also came in handy even to just look things up on the phones internet while you were talking to clients.... I was VERY UPSET to find out that I can not do any of this on the Note 5. This is a major deal. I don't get this one at all. Any way to fix???????
4. Sound for music is not anything better.
5. Notifications and display are far less attention grabbing than on the Note 2. Easily miss texts or overlook them. The notification L.E.D.S are super WEAK.
6. My battery drains way faster! It does charge faster though. But I don't think this will be a good device to have where charging is not an option for a while.
7. You cant delete photos from the gallery... You have to open up the camera app to delete them... This seems so strange and pointless. Am I missing something here??????
Would appreciate any help or feedback on these issues. Thanks...
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1) You had an Android device from 2012. The internet and Google have since moved on to HTML5. Flash is dead. Very few OSs support flash anymore. This isn't a phone issue. The unfortunate issue is your websites still utilize flash which is dangerous and a battery hog. A lot of security flaws and too much memory usage.
2)DL AllCast from the Google Play store, it hacks into any casting device. I have an AppleTV (back when I used to be pro Apple) and I use it constantly. All your casting needs whether it's a movie, phone screen, music, gallery etc all at your fingertips.
3)This is a Sprint issue not a phone issue. Sprint uses CMDA technology which requires dual cellular radios in order to surf and talk. Every other carrier supports simultaneous voice and data. I have Verizon (also CDMA, but I have dual radios in my phone) and can do it with my phone. When the phones hit a particular carrier, they decide to upgrade the radios to do surf/talk. If they decide not to which Sprint did not. You can't. Some claim this is a way to keep they're network bandwidth higher. Its 2015, regardless the phone should be able to do it.
4) The Note 5 came with a lot of new audio support modes. One feature I would recommend is using adaptic. It recognizes your ears ability to sense particular frequencies and changes the sound to your ears which makes a lot of difference.
5) You change change your notification settings in the individual apps your speaking off. The LED notification can be adjusted to your liking within settings. If this doesn't work. You can always DL an app that uses your phones flash to flash when your getting a notification (I know, I know.... Like an iPhone but it works great).
6). Lollipop has not been kind to device batteries. A lot of unnecessary system processes and apps. There are other posts within the Note 5 category that will guide you on debloating and disabling those packages and apps to gain better performance. Again not a phone issue but a software issue. Android M (which these phones will be first in-line to get) will change a lot of the problems they created in Lollipop. The Note 5 is not the only phone that suffers from this problem. A lot of them do.
7) Yes you can, but its hidden behind a sub menu. Long press on the photo you want to delete and it will pop open the delete function in the top menu bar (see image attached)
Hope this all helps. I suggest dumping Sprint and coming to Verizon. While it's not cheaper. It certainly is much better. Speeds, tethering, and service pretty much everywhere.
Sent from my SM-N920V using XDA Free mobile app

phil.W said:
Just an extension of dolphin browser in the marketplace. Give it a go
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ok installed.
Same thing... Will play for a second then freezes with Link 2... Also will not go full screen. Tried mobile and desktop modes.
Are you able to watch for more than a few secs and @ full screen without freezing????

niftyguy239 said:
1) You had an Android device from 2012. The internet and Google have since moved on to HTML5. Flash is dead. Very few OSs support flash anymore. This isn't a phone issue. The unfortunate issue is your websites still utilize flash which is dangerous and a battery hog. A lot of security flaws and too much memory usage.
2)DL AllCast from the Google Play store, it hacks into any casting device. I have an AppleTV (back when I used to be pro Apple) and I use it constantly. All your casting needs whether it's a movie, phone screen, music, gallery etc all at your fingertips.
3)This is a Sprint issue not a phone issue. Sprint uses CMDA technology which requires dual cellular radios in order to surf and talk. Every other carrier supports simultaneous voice and data. I have Verizon (also CDMA, but I have dual radios in my phone) and can do it with my phone. When the phones hit a particular carrier, they decide to upgrade the radios to do surf/talk. If they decide not to which Sprint did not. You can't. Some claim this is a way to keep they're network bandwidth higher. Its 2015, regardless the phone should be able to do it.
4) The Note 5 came with a lot of new audio support modes. One feature I would recommend is using adaptic. It recognizes your ears ability to sense particular frequencies and changes the sound to your ears which makes a lot of difference.
5) You change change your notification settings in the individual apps your speaking off. The LED notification can be adjusted to your liking within settings. If this doesn't work. You can always DL an app that uses your phones flash to flash when your getting a notification (I know, I know.... Like an iPhone but it works great).
6). Lollipop has not been kind to device batteries. A lot of unnecessary system processes and apps. There are other posts within the Note 5 category that will guide you on debloating and disabling those packages and apps to gain better performance. Again not a phone issue but a software issue. Android M (which these phones will be first in-line to get) will change a lot of the problems they created in Lollipop. The Note 5 is not the only phone that suffers from this problem. A lot of them do.
7) Yes you can, but its hidden behind a sub menu. Long press on the photo you want to delete and it will pop open the delete function in the top menu bar (see image attached)
Hope this all helps. I suggest dumping Sprint and coming to Verizon. While it's not cheaper. It certainly is much better. Speeds, tethering, and service pretty much everywhere.
Sent from my SM-N920V using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks for all the info I really appreciate that!!!!!!:good:
1. Is 3 years really that long.... When you spend that much money for something i would expect to have that option. You don't have to use a or go on a flash site if you don't want to....Flash is alive and well. Like I had mentioned earlier, people who stream Live sports and recent movie releases are all still Flash sites. I do not know of one html5 site that live streams sports.... Would love to find one if its out there though
2. I got the stock app to work with my Samsung All share Data caster. It is really choppy though. Thanks I will give that one a try and see if its any better
3. Wow that makes me even angrier with Sprint. i have tried to go to Verizon and t-mobile. They both have said stick with Sprint. My bills would be over twice as much with them because they don't do true unlimited Data like sprint does. Even when they do offer it, they bottleneck and slow your speed down once you reach a certain amount of data... My data usage makes Sprint my only choice and the fastest for me.
4. Will try thanks!!!!!
5. Note 5 has that from factory. I have it turned on. but in the day light the white flash is not to visible. Also, not visible when the phone is screen up. I have played with the settings. The notification LED just isn't that bright, big, flashes frequent enough to work as well as the older one. The Flash notification though is super helpful at night or in the dark.
6. If I keep the phone I will look into that. However, I find all the battery life claims with factory settings....auto screen brightness, keeping all apps closed, with just normal daily use to be terrible. I find it hard to believe that getting rid of the bloat-ware will take it form terrible to acceptable, but i'll take your word for it ... I hope so.
7. No attached image is showing for me????? I tried tapping and holding the pic and nothing is happening.......still only gives the option to share.

I think dolphin browser still works with flash. you will have to find the flash apk download though.

gn4life84 said:
ok installed.
Same thing... Will play for a second then freezes with Link 2... Also will not go full screen. Tried mobile and desktop modes.
Are you able to watch for more than a few secs and @ full screen without freezing????
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trying to get the soccer streams to work isn't working for myself, but I was always able to get UFC to stream and NFL/CFL when I would try. I'll let you know later on if it works for me, might just be the streams are crap too.

gn4life84 said:
Thanks for all the info I really appreciate that!!!!!!:good:
1. Is 3 years really that long.... When you spend that much money for something i would expect to have that option. You don't have to use a or go on a flash site if you don't want to....Flash is alive and well. Like I had mentioned earlier, people who stream Live sports and recent movie releases are all still Flash sites. I do not know of one html5 site that live streams sports.... Would love to find one if its out there though
2. I got the stock app to work with my Samsung All share Data caster. It is really choppy though. Thanks I will give that one a try and see if its any better
3. Wow that makes me even angrier with Sprint. i have tried to go to Verizon and t-mobile. They both have said stick with Sprint. My bills would be over twice as much with them because they don't do true unlimited Data like sprint does. Even when they do offer it, they bottleneck and slow your speed down once you reach a certain amount of data... My data usage makes Sprint my only choice and the fastest for me.
4. Will try thanks!!!!!
5. Note 5 has that from factory. I have it turned on. but in the day light the white flash is not to visible. Also, not visible when the phone is screen up. I have played with the settings. The notification LED just isn't that bright, big, flashes frequent enough to work as well as the older one. The Flash notification though is super helpful at night or in the dark.
6. If I keep the phone I will look into that. However, I find all the battery life claims with factory settings....auto screen brightness, keeping all apps closed, with just normal daily use to be terrible. I find it hard to believe that getting rid of the bloat-ware will take it form terrible to acceptable, but i'll take your word for it ... I hope so.
7. No attached image is showing for me????? I tried tapping and holding the pic and nothing is happening.......still only gives the option to share.
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Flash is dead:
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-chrome-wont-autoplay-flash-ads-2015-8
In device terms with technology coming out. Yes 3 years is old enough.
With phone service you get what you pay for. I've never had a dropped call, network failure, or internet outtage. And from previous experiences living in the sticks of Kentucky. I still got 4G Verizon. Now I'm in Florida and never lower then 3 bars of coverage. I pay $234 a month for two phones and a tablet. I pay for 10gb and I get additional 5gb of data added to my plan per month for free as I am a loyal Verizon Customer. So it works out great.
Idk why it didn't post so my apologies.
Here are photos of the deleting procedure and my battery life on my phone after stream lining it. I average 18-22 hrs on a single charge. Depending on usage.
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DAvid_B said:
I think dolphin browser still works with flash. you will have to find the flash apk download though.
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Stated that i have the correct flash apk and Dolphin+ tried 4 other "flash friendly browsers" too. Some flash works but not all. none of the live sports stuff works....

phil.W said:
trying to get the soccer streams to work isn't working for myself, but I was always able to get UFC to stream and NFL/CFL when I would try. I'll let you know later on if it works for me, might just be the streams are crap too.
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COOL you get exactly what i'm talking about!!!! :good: Yes please keep me updated... Was able to do this on my Note 2 all the time. Have not been able to get any stream to work full screen or at all past a second or 2 on my Note 5.
So you are saying you have gotten the ufc or nfl streams to work on your note 5????

gn4life84 said:
COOL you get exactly what i'm talking about!!!! :good: Yes please keep me updated... Was able to do this on my Note 2 all the time. Have not been able to get any stream to work full screen or at all past a second or 2 on my Note 5.
So you are saying you have gotten the ufc or nfl streams to work on your note 5????
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I hadn't tried as of yet, but it raises the question. It worked for my note 2 and 3 when I had them

gn4life84 said:
COOL you get exactly what i'm talking about!!!! :good: Yes please keep me updated... Was able to do this on my Note 2 all the time. Have not been able to get any stream to work full screen or at all past a second or 2 on my Note 5.
So you are saying you have gotten the ufc or nfl streams to work on your note 5????
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totally dependant on the stream, just tried a rugby stream and it was perfectly fine on first row, using dolphin with flash

phil.W said:
totally dependant on the stream, just tried a rugby stream and it was perfectly fine on first row, using dolphin with flash
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Still cant get flash, dolphin, and front row to work....
Some more updates
- Still cant get flash for front row to work with Dolphin.
More updates:
-LED notifications are super weak and almost not visible on bright sunny days
- Have missed several text because if I leave a text conversation open if a text from that sender comes through It wont notify you.
-Also all free messaging apps wont work while you are on the phone. Like KIK and others. You can not receive any of those messages until you get off the phone . Makes me wonder if Email is like this too???? How counter productive and backwards...
They literally have taken out more features and all multi tasking... So what do I care if the hardware is better????? IT DOES WAY LESS!!!!!

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I use hangouts dialer and a google voice line to place calls and keep my data line open....
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gn4life84 said:
-Also all free messaging apps wont work while you are on the phone. Like KIK and others. You can not receive any of those messages until you get off the phone . Makes me wonder if Email is like this too???? How counter productive and backwards...
They literally have taken out more features and all multi tasking... So what do I care if the hardware is better????? IT DOES WAY LESS!!!!!
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Yeah that part is true and no mapping and no nothing about data when your on a call. But you can hear a cricket fart at 200 paces! But again that is a sprint thing. Sprint blames it onSamsung but Samsung builds to sprints specs.

Living Without Root

First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh

HipKat said:
First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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sd_shadow said:
There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol

HipKat said:
True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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Well for me the biggest difference is I used to use Playstation controllers, so I had to switch to a gamesir g3s which is the same size and shape but does not require root. Nothing else I do requires root so Im perfectly fine not having it. I miss mhl far more than root since I used it a lot with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with chrome remote desktop, but I bought a laptop to eliminate that.

I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.

sn00gan said:
I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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That's what I wanted to hear. Guess I'll have to pass on this one. No Backup, or V4A is not acceptable for me

The only complaint that I have is that some of the pre-installed apps are not able to be uninstalled. theres 4? or so that I can't get rid of

This is my first non-rootable phone and I have mixed feelings about that. As a stock platform, the Z Force is a great phone and does almost all that I could ask for from a pocket computer. I love having stock Android and like having WiFi calling, though it's a pain to switch back and forth: go into airplane mode, then switch WiFi on to make WiFi calls. Of course, you have to remember to turn airplane mode off when you get back into service.
I also miss Titanium Backup and the ability to completely remove apps I have no interest in having on my phone. All things being equal, I find that I can live without root on this phone. Battery life is great, it's fast, and it gets frequent and regular updates.

Really, no root?
So I just as well stay with my old rooted Droid Turbo. I came here thinking its time I look for a newer Motorola phone, that I can root.

What if I buy an unlocked Z Force? Can it be rooted then?
It seems that the regular Moto Z can be rooted according to this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/guide-how-to-root-moto-z-supersu-t3551113
So why can the Force not also be rooted?

Stuck with VZW Malware
I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.

sn00gan said:
I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?

htcSlide said:
How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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Haha, I know, right? Reading comprehension can be hard.
As I said, my plan was to FIRST move back to an iPhone, THEN switch to T-Mobile OR Google Fi (the implication being, that when changing networks, one must obviously either have or obtain compatible hardware). Unfortunately, in my area only VZW has reliable 4G coverage without dead zones in the places where we need service the most. The wife has put her foot down about switching networks for the time being.
At least my iPhone, while older, still has the most recent version of iOS and is unencumbered by Verizon's malware. It's a reasonable compromise at the moment.

Since Z Force seems to be non-rootable, does it mean that camera2 api support level on the phone cannot be improved?
Or is there any way to enable Camera2 API Without Root on this phone?
also, can someone PLEASE help me on this QUERY...
What is Camera2 API support level on Moto Z FORCE
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z-force/themes/camera2-api-support-level-moto-z-force-t3863829

Its so sad not to have root on a very capable device like the Z force