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So I am not sure what just happened to my NC. It was rooted, market enabled, apps installed etc.
I (by accident) hit the B&N shop icon in my apps drawer. There was a brief message and then the nook factory reset itself. So I am back to square one, need to re-root and re-enable everything.
Is there a way to avoid this happening again? Are there others out there brave enough to try the shop app and see if it happens? I am not sure if it was just a fluke or if I should really watch out for the B&N shop, etc.
Any wisdom on the matter would be appreciated!!!
Shop works for me (Fully rooted, market, gmail, etc). Not sure why yours reset itself.
Same here, Shop has been working now for over a week rooted
OK, so I rerooted and re enabled market, etc... shop works now, loaded with no problems.
Not sure what happened before, I had enabled market the first time using an earlier method, pehaps that had something to do with it?
I had the same issue happen Monday evening. I was presented with an error message and then forced to reset. It has not reoccured and I have tried to replicate the error.
Sent from my Nook Color using XDA App.
Same thing happened to me two days ago, so I hope someone posts an answer in this thread as to how to prevent it, or recover from it!
Given the number of rooted nooks that are likely to be out here, it would be unfortunate for B&N if NONE of them could actually buy books from them.
I had this happen to me, but I was running from and external sdcard, so the reset failed. My theory was that I re-authorized the internal version and and external sdcard was still using the previous authorization.
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Given the number of rooted nooks that are likely to be out here, it would be unfortunate for B&N if NONE of them could actually buy books from them.
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Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.
I rooted my NC within minutes of purchase and have not had this issue. It would be flat-out nefarious for them to be doing this intentionally so, I'm hoping this is just a fluke that some have run into.
I just run the Kindle app, FBReader, Miren browser, Pulse Reader, and Google Reader for all my reading needs. I have ADW Launcher installed, so I don't bother with the Nooks built in apps.
Hopefully, that is enough to prevent me from having this problem.
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Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.
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Exactly. When are B&N and Amazon going to realize that customers know that it doesnt cost them the same to sell an ebook that it does a paper book. There is no printing, storing, transporting, manual labor to put it on the shelf so how the hell can they justify charging the same price for an ebook as a paper one? Their magazines are priced well, why not the books? Im hoping that with the competition that the prices will drop. Sorry BS&N, I love the tablet, but Im not buying squat from you. as soon as a complete rom is available this puppy is getting wiped!
I've had this happen after screwing with the Nook. If I'm using it normally after it's been rooted, and not poking around, it's fine.
Specifically, I was able to recreate it by adding a shortcut via Desktop Visualizer that pointed to one of the accounts and sync manager intents(can't recall which one). Trying to launch that shortcut failed, but after doing so and trying to return to my B&N library, the nook said the account had an issue authorizing and was resetting.
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Exactly. When are B&N and Amazon going to realize that customers know that it doesnt cost them the same to sell an ebook that it does a paper book. There is no printing, storing, transporting, manual labor to put it on the shelf so how the hell can they justify charging the same price for an ebook as a paper one? Their magazines are priced well, why not the books? Im hoping that with the competition that the prices will drop. Sorry BS&N, I love the tablet, but Im not buying squat from you. as soon as a complete rom is available this puppy is getting wiped!
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it'll probably happen when ever the general consumer complains. as long as people are fine with overpaying for services, they'll continue inflating the prices. plus i think there's some kind of conflict where they don't want to hurt hard copy sales.
The costs to the publisher are reduced, but the AUTHOR does not get any of the extra margin... this is why a lot of authors are re-negotiating with publishers if they can (stephen King, for example) Just like any "new media" the price point will eventually come down.
this sudden reset has happened to myself and others on the forum. in my case, it was triggered by opening the BN library. however, after rerooting and reinstalling my apps, i haven't been able to replicate the problem.
i have one book that i'm reading from BN, but after that, i'll just stay away from the BN apps, and use the Kindle software instead. sorry BN, i hope you learn a lesson from this
Please do remember folks that we are tlking about a v1.0 device with v1.0 software that has been just recently hacked to do stuf that wasn't intended. And the hacks are 0.x ! Bound to be a few little quirks.
Chalk up another one for a "spontaneous reset" ! Not sure what happened exactly, I tried to recharge it with a standard USB adapter and since I'd read it took longer I just let it sit...a few minutes later I noticed it had restarted and upon restart I was presented with the "Robot sign-up", not sure if it was from autonook or the script since I had run both a couple of days ago, but it's timing out...looks I'm good for a full reset, fortunately I did a Titanium backup ealier today.
Oh, I had a notification saying "updated to 1.0.0" ! Thanks B&N ;-)
I thought I'd seen a thread called "Prevent NC from calling home and updating itself" but can't see it right now.
Dang, another spontaneous hard reset! This time I saw the whole process:
1. YouTube stops working, no video
2. A little later : authorization problem, your device needs to be reset!
3. Back to square one...
Either B&N are onto something or the market/gmail/youtube scripts are creating some problems. I'm going back to nooter to see if it's as rock solid as it was last week.
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Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.
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They have to add tax because they have a physical presence. Amazon exists only in the cloud (and Washington State, where it does add tax). It's not BN's fault.
I just got an email from that China middleman back from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/verizon-moto-maker-bootloader-unlock-t2680651
Titled: moto bootloader work back 2014/05/15
Subject: price：45usd paypal:[email protected] notes:IMEI+ email !!!! in 12-48H reply
Its $5 more and he's saying hes back!
I have emailed him and I will post results but im very hopeful!
Edit: ONLY AVAILABLE FOR 2014 DEVICES
and some 2013 if your lucky
F.A.Q.
I think a recap is due...
Some background... For the Developer Editions Moto X, and some carrier editions (Like T-Mobile, Sprint, Rogers Wireless, and others), Motorola freely gives away the BootLoader Unlock codes when requested On Motorola's Web Site. In the case of the Non-Developer Editions, it voids their warranty to request the code.
I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but Moto does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code for the Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon, ATT and a few other carriers. That is where this China Middle Man, and the Chinese web site/seller, comes in... Its a way to possibly get your bootloader unlock code if Moto can't/wont give it to you. If you are successful in getting your code from the Middle Man, it will be exactly like the code you would have received from Moto, except for the cost and the source.
If your X is NOT from Verizon, ATT, or Republic wireless, its worth checking Motorola's Web Site first, as either way voids your warranty when your phone is not a developer edition. If you can't get the bootloader unlock code from Motorola, then this China Middleman is your only other option right now (and for who knows how long).
What phones does this work with?
Based on replies and posts to this thread, it has been confirmed to work for most, but not all, Moto X, Droid Maxx, Droid Mini and G which have been assembled between January and June 2014 that have been submitted. Some others assembled out-side that range have been reported to work.
Republic Wireless X assembled in 2013 have had a fair success rate, at least enough that it is worth trying.
Since the middle man has restarted selling codes, users with Moto X from Verizon, ATT that were assembled in 2013 have rarely been able to receive a code. So you can try, but you will likely get a "no code available" response.
Update 10-21-2014: As time goes on, we are seeing an increase in post from users who have been "unsuccessful." (either they couldn't get a code, or the code they got didn't work). Its still worth a try.
This does NOT work for the 2nd Generation X or the "2014 Moto X" with the 5.2" screen.
Does it matter what ROM is on my phone?
Unlike using hacks and exploits to root, when using a Bootloader Unlock Code (from Moto or the Middle Man) your phone can be on ANY firmware version. Updates will not patch the ability to use the bootloader unlock code. And future Updates will NOT LOCK your bootloader.
On the Moto X, to find your assembled date...
Boot into FastbootAP/Bootloader mode
Option 1: power off, then press the power and volume down buttons simultaneously NOTE: you may need to have the USB cable disconnected first.
Option 2: If USB debugging option on your phone is turned on, and you have a properly setup ADB, AndroidSDK Platform tools, and moto drivers on your pc... Open a command prompt and type... adb reboot-bootloader The phone will restart into the bootloader/fastboot menu.
Option 3: You must already be rooted: you can use an application like Quick Boot (Reboot) which is available for free in the Google Play Store. It has options to reboot your phone normally, reboot into recovery, or reboot into bootloader.
Once on the FastbootAP/Booloader screen, Use the VOL DOWN to scroll and highlight Bar Codes, then use VOL UP to select it. There will be a date listed there. (use vol up or vol down to exit the screen).
How long will this be an option? or... How long will the China Middleman continue offering the codes?
We don't have any insight on that. When the China web site, and then middleman, originally started it was up for a while, then suddenly and without warning, stopped on April 1. When it restarted, this thread was born, and it has been going ever since. However, this time around, we've seen a lower success rate with getting codes.
How to send a request/payment..
The price is 45usd. (he will receive slightly less due to fees)
Send Paypal for goods/services to [email protected]
In the notes, include your IMEI and Email.
NOTE: be sure to use Goods/Services so you can dispute if you have any issues. Payment sent as GIFT can NOT be disputed!
How long does it take to get my code, or get a response?
Response times have varied from less than an hour, to almost a week. So be patient. If its been over a week, you can try to add the person to Skype and message.
I got a response that my code wasn't available. Now what?
Usually he refunds the money when replying your code wasn't available. If not, you'll need to file a PayPal dispute.
If your phone is only two or three weeks old, you can try waiting a month, try again and see if he gets a new batch of codes which contains yours.
Otherwise, you are out of luck.
UPDATE: You can try Sunshine which is being discussed in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471 That thread has the information, link to the Sunshine tool, and discussion.
Sunshine only works with certain ROM versions, but when it works on your phone it DOES UNLOCK the bootloader just like using the code would.
If Sunshine doesn't work, then you are out of luck.
I got my code, now what?
Most emailed responses containing the code have included your IMEI code and unique unlock code. The unlock code is 20 digits long and is case sensitive. Please Copy/Paste when using it, rather than typing it.
Back up your phone! the Bootloader Unlock process WILL WIPE all data, apps, settings, etc!! BACK UP FIRST!!
Make sure you have a working Android SDK/PlatformTools/ADB setup
Boot your phone into FastbootAP/Bootloader mode
Connect your phone to your PC via USB cord
From a command prompt on your PC issue the following command... fastboot oem unlock UniqueCode NOTE: please replace "UniqueCode" with a copy/paste of your code from the email!
after the process is successful, your phone will reboot and you will see the Unlocked Bootloader warning logo.
For a more detailed or novice friendly set of instructions, see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Unlocking.htm
Keep your code in a safe place. While there should be no need to relock the bootloader, if you ever need to unlock the bootloader again, you'll use that same code.
So now that I've unlocked my phone, is it now the same as a "Developer Edition"?
For all intents and purposes, Yes. From the standpoint of rooting, flashing, custom roms, hacks, etc. You can use the same instructions and do the same things. The same caveats and rules that apply to a developer edition, apply to you.
Unlike a developer edition, your warranty will be voided because you've unlocked your bootoader (if the warranty provider notices you've unlocked your bootloader).
So now that I've unlocked my phone, HOW DO I ROOT?
Download the latest TWRP Recovery from -> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/234 (under the Download-Fastboot heading) and the latest SuperSU from -> http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu or the latest CWM / TWRP / MobileODIN installable ZIP from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
And use them while following the instructions in this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
Thats great, but I still have questions...
When this first came about, I put together this post in the old thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51363645&postcount=394
I've added to it, clarified a few things and re-posted here -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Unlock1.htm
Those two versions contain pretty much all of the questions/answers I've seen asked.
EDITED: Aug 13, 2014 Reason: added Background, Moved "what phones does it work with.." section, added "Does it matter what rom.." section, and added rooting info
EDITED: Aug 28, 2014 Reason: moved "how long a response could take" to its own section so it stands out more
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Slick52 said:
I know it's a big unknown, but what are the chances these guys will have unlock codes for the X+1? My parents are about to renew, but they will need 1 unlocked hotspot for an unlimited plan. With Aug 20th supposedly being the release date, 2weeks away, should they wait for the +1?
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Nothing will be known until the X+1 comes out and someone tries to unlock it.
And this service could stop at any time.
My advice is something I got flamed in this thread for in the past.. but since you asked... Since you'll have to pay full price anyway (to keep unlimited data) Consider getting a Dev Edition X for Verizon while they are still on sale for $324.99. Its definately cheaper than buying a full price X+1 when they come out, and you can certainly unlock the bootloader without voiding the warranty.
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I got the email as well. We'll see what happens!
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Everyone who didn't get on the first boat, I would recommend jumping on this asap (if he's really back.) Nothing like having a self made Dev edition and complete freedom with nowhere near full retail cost.
Screw it, Im in. Not waiting around and getting left behind this time.
Yep, got an email from him this morning as well (should be 40+ of us since he has no idea how to use bcc). Stopped what I was doing and sent the payment & info. Will also post any results.
Might I remind everyone who is doing this to send payment as goods/services this time - the people who sent as a gift couldn't get a refund last time.....
edit: also wanted to mention that i went from 10-20 spam emails a day to over a hundred after emailing this dude the last time..... so use a junk email address you don't care about.
The original link does not seem to work for me. Can someone confirm the URL?
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The original link does not seem to work for me. Can someone confirm the URL?
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just do what the instructions in the first post of this thread say. send paypal payment of $45 to that address with IMEI and email address in the notes.
Duh. Thanks! Payment sent and fingers crossed.
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just do what the instructions in the first post of this thread say. send paypal payment of $45 to that address with IMEI and email address in the notes.
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He just responded to me. Apparently the 2013 models aren't in the database. He's initiated a refund for me.
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bummer.. guess this means i need to initiate a refund:
"2013 production was not found in the database machine, I will refund initiated paypal dispute
Can't find 2013, the data do not know where to put, no way"
edit: second email to the bigger group:
"moto bl Notice
Can't find 2013, the data do not know where to put, no way
2014 100% ok"
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bummer.. guess this means i need to initiate a refund:
"2013 production was not found in the database machine, I will refund initiated paypal dispute
Can't find 2013, the data do not know where to put, no way"
edit: second email to the bigger group:
"moto bl Notice
Can't find 2013, the data do not know where to put, no way
2014 100% ok"
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So, sounds like there's still an opening for devices made this year? Seems very strange, but I guess promising for the minority of people who have newer-issued devices. I bought mine on swappa, so I have no clue whether it would be included in the 2013 or 2014 group. If I had bought it in 2013, I'd probably do my best to get an on-warranty replacement any way I could.
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So, sounds like there's still an opening for devices made this year? Seems very strange, but I guess promising for the minority of people who have newer-issued devices. I bought mine on swappa, so I have no clue whether it would be included in the 2013 or 2014 group. If I had bought it in 2013, I'd probably do my best to get an on-warranty replacement any way I could.
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it's really weird. with how flaky this situation has been, it's not even worth trying that, this could be closed up again pretty quickly.. if the dude can even get 2014 codes. strange..
btw you should probably be able to find a manufacture date or something somewhere, i dunno.
so did any other 2013's file a dispute yet? i'm pretty sure that's what he meant, that we do that and he refunds - that's how it worked last time. i didn't do it yet just on the small chance he figures it out or something, who knows. i sent him an email asking for more info but haven't gotten a response.
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it's really weird. with how flaky this situation has been, it's not worth even trying that, this could be closed up again pretty quickly.. if the dude can even get 2014 codes. strange..
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I mean, is he refunding your money? If the dude is in good faith it sounds like there's no harm in trying because if it doesn't work you can get your money back. If not, is there any way we can find out what devices he has access to codes for? I am looking into finding info on manufacture dates but running into a lot of dead ends. Anyone have any ideas? That way people could check beforehand and save themselves the trouble.
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I mean, is he refunding your money? If the dude is in good faith it sounds like there's no harm in trying because if it doesn't work you can get your money back. If not, is there any way we can find out what devices he has access to codes for? I am looking into finding info on manufacture dates but running into a lot of dead ends. Anyone have any ideas? That way people could check beforehand and save themselves the trouble.
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Only place I would think to check would be the barcode sticker on the box that has IMEI etc. Otherwise you'd probably have to rip the phone apart to find it somewhere.
But yes, when this went belly up a month ago, the bunch of us who had money out to him, as long as you sent the paypal money as goods/services (and not gift) you could file a dispute with paypal and he was immediately refunding people when you did that. The others who sent money as gifts to try to help him out with paypal fees ended up getting screwed because they couldn't dispute it and he didn't respond to any emails asking for refunds - you had to go through a paypal dispute, but then he was very quick to issue it.
All that shadiness aside, if you send it for goods/services, I think you're fine trying.
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Only place I would think to check would be the barcode sticker on the box that has IMEI etc. Otherwise you'd probably have to rip the phone apart to find it somewhere.
But yes, when this went belly up a month ago, the bunch of us who had money out to him, as long as you sent the paypal money as goods/services (and not gift) you could file a dispute with paypal and he was immediately refunding people when you did that. The others who sent money as gifts to try to help him out with paypal fees ended up getting screwed because they couldn't dispute it and he didn't respond to any emails asking for refunds - you had to go through a paypal dispute, but then he was very quick to issue it.
All that shadiness aside, if you send it for goods/services, I think you're fine trying.
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Interesting. It's cool to see consumer safeguards working as they're intended--if he's not giving out any refunds for "gift" payments he's not interested in the ethics, just his standing with PayPal. Love it when these systems work the way they should.
I bought my X online through swappa; the guy sent it in the original box... just looked at the sticker, and nope, looks like august of 2013. Looks like I'm still out of luck. :/
I have a 2013-purchased Moto X and sent over the $45 (prior to seeing the messages above) as a Goods/Service at 11am EST. I will update this thread with any messages I receive. Fingers crossed! I'd love to know what is going on behind-the-scenes with where this database is coming from, why would 2014 work but not 2013, etc.
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I have a 2013-purchased Moto X and sent over the $45 (prior to seeing the messages above) as a Goods/Service at 11am EST. I will update this thread with any messages I receive. Fingers crossed! I'd love to know what is going on behind-the-scenes with where this database is coming from, why would 2014 work but not 2013, etc.
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please do. i'm waiting for some feedback before i request a refund, even it if may be hopeless for us.
I, unfortunately, paid as a gift. I have a 2014 so maybe I'll get lucky. I'll post my results.
Okay guys, I want to start a serious discussion about Android Pay, and specifically alternatives to it.
I want to start off by saying this is just sad that we, who buy nexus phones to have options as unlockable bootloaders, and base Google nexus roms or custom roms, that Android Pay requires it's base rom, and unrooted. This is unacceptable in today's age.
I was running Cyanogenmod 12.1 Nightly, and everything worked solidly and smoothly to where I wanted it to be. Then enter Android Pay.
I couldn't add my card. I tried all of the tricks. With Cyanogenmod particularly there seems to be a check. Locking bootloader, removing root, doing both at the same time still would not work. It was also checking for the Cyanogenmod rom.
So I say, fine, I really want to test the convenience of Android Pay. So I go through the trouble of backing up all of my files. Installing a Google factory image. Rooting the rom. Adding my recovery. Locking bootloader and temporarily removing root to setup the card.
It worked. Card added. I head on over to McDonalds (I know food is bad, but I the closest place near me that has android pay.) I go to swap, and I get an error. Card cannot be used.
Seriously! WTF. I thought, maybe this card needs to be enabled for Mobile Payments. I call Wells fargo, They say it wasn't enabled but they have now enabled and it should work now.
Next day. I repeat the same thing. Same error. No mention as to why it cannot use my card, just that it cannot. All provisions have taken place to get to this point and all the trouble and sacrifice of features from a much better rom (Cyanogenmod), through all the trouble of installing a Google factory image, and this still doesn't work. I figure it must be because I'm still rooted or bootloader is unlocked again.
Well seriously, screw you Google. We shouldn't have to go through so much trouble just to use a payment system, and at the end of it all, it still will not work. And what is Google's response to this? "We cannot guarantee security on rooted devices." Really? You cannot implement proper encryption methods of card numbers? You cannot think of a way to better secure a payment system for rooted users? This is Google stating we cannot do something everyone wants. Well I'd rather not use your pay system if you are going to act like this.
We need a new mobile payment system, not run by Google. Rooted users are willingly taking the risk. Nothing is ever perfectly secure, and is always a risk involved, but it's secure enough. Make an app that unroots you temporarily while you make a transaction or something. I want mobile payment system, and I refuse to not run custom roms and not root. Find a way, or be left behind. Stop trying to drag users back to your stock / unrooted ways. We will bypass you. I've left Verizon for these same kind of restrictions on their phones.
What are your thoughts. I know already you are going to say that "It's not secure, etc." but this is not a valid excuse. There has to be a compromise between security and the ability to mobile pay conveniently. I mean guys, this really goes beyond trying to patch an apk to make it work. There's WAY too many restrictions on this, and the window too small that most users aren't able to view. If my phone gets stolen, I can always call to disable mobile payment. If it's rooted Applications trying to access your card data, find a way to block it. Encrypt transactions, encrypt card info, something. If we cannot then we cannot ever use a Mobile payment system.
Not to mention, there's a TON of money to be had by becoming the VISA of mobile payments. All it takes is a developer willing to not assume responsibility for stolen money, charge $5 for the application, or even $0.01 cents per transaction. I'd sure as hell pay it if you can make it work on rooted custom rom devices.
What would it take to make one of these? Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value. There has to already be an API for mobile payment system. We just need an apk that can do it. Trust issues of who writes it? Just charge some per transaction, so we can sue you should you try to screw us.
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Next day. I repeat the same thing. Same error. No mention as to why it cannot use my card, just that it cannot. All provisions have taken place to get to this point and all the trouble and sacrifice of features from a much better rom (Cyanogenmod), through all the trouble of installing a Google factory image, and this still doesn't work. I figure it must be because I'm still rooted or bootloader is unlocked again.
Well seriously, screw you Google. We shouldn't have to go through so much trouble just to use a payment system, and at the end of it all, it still will not work. And what is Google's response to this? "We cannot guarantee security on rooted devices." Really? You cannot implement proper encryption methods of card numbers? You cannot think of a way to better secure a payment system for rooted users? This is Google stating we cannot do something everyone wants. Well I'd rather not use your pay system if you are going to act like this.
We need a new mobile payment system, not run by Google. Rooted users are willingly taking the risk. Nothing is ever perfectly secure, and is always a risk involved, but it's secure enough. Make an app that unroots you temporarily while you make a transaction or something. I want mobile payment system, and I refuse to not run custom roms and not root. Find a way, or be left behind. Stop trying to drag users back to your stock / unrooted ways. We will bypass you. I've left Verizon for these same kind of restrictions on their phones.
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Here' s the thing. Your first comment is flawed. "i figure" does not mean you know. There's a ton of reasons why it may not have worked. Could be a problem with that McDonald's for all we know. Or your card issuer(the person at their customer service line isn't privvy to everything technical occurring that may not yet be widely known). You've done limited to know troubleshooting to really isolate the issue.
Second...security is what matters. Why? Cause it's not on you. It's on the vendor and the card issuer. They are the ones who get to dictate what level of security is required before they CHOOSE to participate. I'm sure Google could come up with an option for rooted users...and I'm pretty sure Visa/Mastercard and other bank backed card issuers would tell them to take a hike.
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Rooted users are willingly taking the risk.
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Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value.
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You nor Google aren't the one assuming the risk, it's the banks and they are the very reason you can't use this with root. The trade off for Google is yet another foray into your personal data and what you are doing with your money and where.
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snip......Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value.
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No. No they aren't willing and no they won't see the value.
PayPal works but, the stores are extremely limited right now. Maybe later.
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Rooted users are willingly taking the risk.
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No, this is wrong and i will tell you why.
If fraudsters charge up a storm on stolen card data with a given merchant, and that merchant delivers his product, he’s out the product – and that’s just the start.
The banks may then look to him for reimbursement for permitting the fraudulent transactions. In addition, the payment processor will learn of the fraud and terminate his processing account. Once that happens, no other processing firm is likely to take his business. He’ll be put on a blacklist. So in this case, the merchant can just get destroyed (specifically small businesses).
Usually, however, it is the banks that get hurt the most. This includes small regional banks. Visa and MasterCard’s contracts generally put the burden of fraud reimbursement onto the bank. A small bank may get hit with a big fraud reimbursement if a breach is serious enough. Worse, if the merchant itself is somehow involved, it may make it impossible to recoup from the merchant.
The risk isn't yours.
Also, I would also question the legality of altering software/firmware to use your credit cards. Maybe it's against the terms and conditions or possibly the law. I would look into that before you make any purchases.
I wonder if Apple Pay fails if you jailbreak iOS...
Obstacles with the Android Pay is a bummer, but if I have to choose between Android Pay and Rooting, my money is on rooting. I can still use my hard to pay, and I actually run into more stores that prefer EMV chip, over Apple/Android Pay.
Maybe in the future, for people with Android wear, we may be able to pay with watch linked to a rooted phone..?
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Here is an easy alternative. Go to Amazon and buy one of those fancy cases that allow you to carry cards. Problem solved.
Personally, I use cash. I guess that is because I am from the 20th century. In all reality, they could set it up so that you transfer the invisible money from your invisible account into an invisible account ran by google, then you could use that invisible money for your purchases. They would have to have an agreement that if your invisible money somehow becomes more invisible they are not responsible. Google would then be able to simply take your invisible money, but no way they would do that, right?
Hello everyone,
I was in need of a new phone and sick of Apple and IOS. I am just done with the Apple ecosystem all together. When it comes to Android, it is stock or nothing for me. I'm not a power user by any means though, so I can't really justify the cost of a Pixel 2. The G6 and the X4 appeared to be my best options. I went with the X4 because of the better chipset, faster ram, better cameras, and ip68 rating. I know some would argue that the G6 has a better display and more modern design, but the display doesn't offset the fact that the X4 is a step up all around with everything else. I honestly would rather stick with 16:9 and they both have 424ppi anyways. I wouldn't have minded a Nokia 6.1 but where I live in Wisconsin it is Verizon, US Cellular, or no service. GSM only phones are a no go.
So I picked up a brand new unlocked Moto X4 32gb from Best Buy. (Non Fi or Prime) I was able to swendle them into price matching the $250 Amazon Prime version. As for service, I decided to go with Verizon prepaid over a MVNO like straight talk or total wireless. I pay a little more in exchange for higher prioritizeation and faster data speeds. The prioritizeation really matters where I live because everyone is using Verizon towers. Straight Talk and Total wireless are very, very popular in my area and very, very cheap (as low as $35 for 6gb) but I notice that their data speeds are about 1/4 that of Verizon prepaid and postpaid.
So, any recommendations or tips for a new Moto X owner? I plan to unlock the bootloader and root it today. Clean things up a bit, ditch encryption for a little performance bump. I look forward to tinkering with Android again.
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Loving the X4! This was a well needed upgrade for me. It was funny to get 4 updates in a row. May, June, July, August security updates. Why did it have to do them one at a time? lol
Moto x4 is really nice device, its quick, lagfree, handy, stock out of box, no bloatware (only Moto few app)... only downside is camera quality,its very poor and moto doesn't provide speedy update like pixel or oneplus
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Moto x4 is really nice device, its quick, lagfree, handy, stock out of box, no bloatware (only Moto few app)... only downside is camera quality,its very poor and moto doesn't provide speedy update like pixel or oneplus
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camera quality was bad on the launch, now with all the oreo updates it works just fine and its similar to phones with this price tag, we even have AR Core
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So, any recommendations or tips for a new Moto X owner? I plan to unlock the bootloader and root it today. Clean things up a bit, ditch encryption for a little performance bump. I look forward to tinkering with Android again.
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If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.
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If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.
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I actually have not as of yet. After doing some research, I don't think that I am going to either. Warranty is not a big deal to me on a $250 phone, but I would really like to use Android Pay. Also, one of the main reasons I root is to remove unwanted apps. I don't see much bloatware on here and I like some of the Moto features. I already ditched my navigation bar in favor of the fingerprint gestures. The three finger screenshot gesture is legit too. I'm happy with the phone the way it is for now.
What is F-DROID?
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If you have already done this, then I think it is important to know that you have absolutely voided your warranty. There is no way to re-lock your bootloader in a fashion that will satisfy the manufacturer. Also, now that you have tripped the "e-fuse" or "q-fuse" or whatever you want to call it, you will never be able to use google pay without using magisk to trick it.
If you haven't already loaded F-DROID to download Ad Away, I highly recommend doing that as well.
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I unlocked bootloader rooted and installed lineage. I decided to go back to stock and relocked bootloader - Google pay works without root and magisk.
FunkyHuawei has taken kind of a weird turn recently, starting with a total conversion from a 'credit' system to a subscription model. They released info about this on the 10th, on their Twitter account:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FunkyHuawei
A monthly fee... Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be that their new workaround to get 'root' on the Mate 20 Pro is a very fragile hack that doesn't actually unlock the bootloader, and can (and will) be disabled with *ANY* kind of update - be it firmware or otherwise? Yeah, that is what else they announced - that they have a working hack to 'kinda' get root on the Mate 20 Pro. It is detailed here:
https://funkyhuawei.club/root
A few things to note from this:
1) They seem to only be able to do it for 3 distinct models: LYA-L29, LYA-L09, LYA-L0C. Yay for Canadians, I guess?
2) They can (or will) *only* perform this service over remote control of your computer, via TeamViewer. That kinda makes me cringe, for too many reasons to list. It doesn't mean it is necessarily shady, but if given the option I would rather not go down that road.
3) The service is PRICEY. Even though they only announced it three days ago, the 'opening sale' is over after today, and will normally cost $190 USD. (It is on 'sale' at the moment for $165). This is pretty damned expensive, given the, er... 'transient' nature of the hack - and the obvious reliance on the subscription model as a result.
4) They are a little vague about this one, but even though they have also come up with a way to flash any firmware to any phone, even if the OEM bootloader unlock is grayed out, this hack seems to only work with specific versions of firmware. In other words, they are likely going to do a downgrade and they certainly aren't going to promise future proof. This... Isn't good.
5) They clearly state that any changes to anything will break the hack, and that is on YOU. In other words, they are hinting that even with the new subscription model you would need to pay full price for them to perform this remote service every time. Not only that, they are not responsible for anything going wrong, even during their initial attempt. That is standard practice for this kind of thing I guess, but at that price?
I can't see myself going for this. It sounds too flakey to be worth it. Honestly it looks like we just have to hold out hope that someone brute forces the encryption on the algorithm used to generate the bootloader unlock codes, or a solid working hack to get around it. FH is charging this kind of money because they are betting that there will never be any other way to get 'root' on a Mate 20 Pro, even though this smells a lot like the tethered jailbreaks for the iphones that were so fragile they could break if the wrong app was executed never mind rebooting the phone.
To anyone who goes this route, let us know how it works out. It sounds like once successful (and if you never flash the firmware) you ARE able to install a working SU/Magisk onto the phone yourself. They go out of their way to say that they will flash a TWRP recovery to the phone if you wish, but they won't put any root on it themselves. Again, probably a legal thing more than anything else.
I wish Huawei would just sell us bootloader unlock codes.
I think there's no discussion because of what you've already outlined and that, based on their recent track record, no one really trusts them.
The reason they'll only do it over Team Viewer is because they don't want to give you the tools in order to 1) force you to go back to them when it gets reverted by an update and 2) to stop the tools getting shared. If they connect to your PC then they can download what they need from their servers (securely using authentication) run it then clean up after themselves so as not to leave anything behind.
As you say, they're relying on there being no alternative and that M20P owners become desperate enough to go this route but I can't see that many going for it.
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The reason they'll only do it over Team Viewer is because they don't want to give you the tools in order to 1) force you to go back to them when it gets reverted by an update and 2) to stop the tools getting shared. If they connect to your PC then they can download what they need from their servers (securely using authentication) run it then clean up after themselves so as not to leave anything behind.
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Hmm, that sounds exactly like what they would do. We need someone to go through this and pull off a bit of a hack of their own and keep all the software/data they download onto your computer. I wonder how paranoid they are, surely they don't go so far as to run tools that wipe the free space left when they delete their own stuff? Meh, this sounds like kind of a flaky hack - so far. I don't have a problem with them charging for a good service but $200 is a LOT for something that can't survive basic firmware upgrades.
I am glad no one is talking about this, because they are a piece of crap. They only want to steal our money. 100$+ for crap hack... Ahahah.
Funkyhuawei are nothing but scammers.
Yes, Just scammers, First of all, we should not promote them on XDA.
Fully agree with what is written in the previous post and I would never go to this service.
What remains is to point at the real source of all this, namely Huawei and their refusal to allow bootloader unlocking. Why in all heavens is it not possible for them to do it like many other companies do? In the light of all this I sadly state that the Mate 20 Pro was my first and last Huawei phone !
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Fully agree with what is written in the previous post and I would never go to this service.
What remains is to point at the real source of all this, namely Huawei and their refusal to allow bootloader unlocking. Why in all heavens is it not possible for them to do it like many other companies do? In the light of all this I sadly state that the Mate 20 Pro was my first and last Huawei phone !
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There's always One Plus where you pay $700 for a $300 phone with an upgraded processor and have to use custom ROMs that always have bugs because Oxygen is an ineptly coded train-wreck.
Strange how nobody seems to mind that XDA has been shilling for One Plus for years.
But at least you can unlock the bootloader, right?
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There's always One Plus where you pay $700 for a $300 phone with an upgraded processor and have to use custom ROMs that always have bugs because Oxygen is an ineptly coded train-wreck.
Strange how nobody seems to mind that XDA has been shilling for One Plus for years.
But at least you can unlock the bootloader, right?
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You can always use a downgrade file that funkyhuawei customer service told you would work and have thay file brick your phone and be told 'its your fault the file didnt work' after paying out 150 in unlimited passes and bootloader unlock codes.
But you can always use your huawei warrenty and get a battered device returned to you right?
$190 for a "root but not root" solution is just daylight robbery. I dont think FH are welcome here anymore...
Ive done a paypal dispute. Sent paypal proof of huawei repair. Proof of email exchanges from funky that shows his files caused the damage. Hopefully will win but you never know.
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Ive done a paypal dispute. Sent paypal proof of huawei repair. Proof of email exchanges from funky that shows his files caused the damage. Hopefully will win but you never know.
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Just a quick update, I will have to look into it but I will pay FH $500 if they can install malware onto my pc that hijacks all my banking information as long as they can make my phone stop with the WORST AUTO-BRIGHTNESS NIGHTMARE EVAR. Like, seriously... Really?
Really?!
In my opinion a scam and scammers never last long, that's the story of funky huawei...good thing I didn't pay them for anything, day light robbers,
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In my opinion a scam and scammers never last long, that's the story of funky huawei...good thing I didn't pay them for anything, day light robbers,
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My paypal dispute failed. Even after proof of broken phone, repair, and being forced to purchase a bootloader code just to use my unlimited pass (bootloader was already unlocked he wouldnt switch my pass). Oh well
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My paypal dispute failed. Even after proof of broken phone, repair, and being forced to purchase a bootloader code just to use my unlimited pass (bootloader was already unlocked he wouldnt switch my pass). Oh well
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ok are you still within your 90 day paypal protection ?, if you are write them an email detailing everything and tell them their decision is against paypal buyer protection. You did not receive the level of service you were shown on funky (scammer) website and than your phone got messed up as well that's enough to appeal, try it and see what they say. Happened with me on a eBay purchase, they decided in favour of the seller, I wrote them they refunded me the full amount. Hope this helps, cheers.
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ok are you still within your 90 day paypal protection ?, if you are write them an email detailing everything and tell them their decision is against paypal buyer protection. You did not receive the level of service you were shown on funky (scammer) website and than your phone got messed up as well that's enough to appeal, try it and see what they say. Happened with me on a eBay purchase, they decided in favour of the seller, I wrote them they refunded me the full amount. Hope this helps, cheers.
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Itd 180 days protection. Yes I have been messaging them further screenshots etc to try get the decision overturned.
Edit paypal are replying with the same message at every turn now.
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Itd 180 days protection. Yes I have been messaging them further screenshots etc to try get the decision overturned.
Edit paypal are replying with the same message at every turn now.
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ohh ok, I guess I got lucky than, try sending an email to someone higher up, might help, worth a try mate,
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ohh ok, I guess I got lucky than, try sending an email to someone higher up, might help, worth a try mate,
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Do u have an email add for anyone higher up?
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Do u have an email add for anyone higher up?
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send you a private message, cheers.
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send you a private message, cheers.
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Was unable to post it privately but heres what I said.