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Diamond Wifi problem

Hi im having a problem can someone tell me if this is right or not.
When i have wifi turned on conencted to some point and using msn, after a while of not touching the phone the phone goes to sleep mode automatically when i press the side button to get back to the screen menu wifi shows its turned off and msn was already dissconnected the moment my phone went to sleep mode.Is this nromal?If so is there a way of fixing it.Thanks
As my first time using windows mobile not sure if its right or not.

Wifi will not remain active once the phone enters standby mode. If you switch the phone on again, wifi should also automatically wake up, but needs to restore the connection to the wireless network from scratch.

I see thanks.
Is this different for bluetooth even when its in stayby mode it seem to work.
Thanks

That's correct. Bluetooth remains active in standby and therefore a major battery sucker.

I see thanks everyone. So pretty much impossible to have MSN on the whole time unless i set my phone so that it will not go to sleep mode. Hence msn beceoms a big battery sucker as wifi will be on for a long time?
Thanks

Is it really impossible to tell WM to leave Wifi switched on when my Diamond goes to sleep mode?
Has somebody a solution for this?

Yeah I have a similar problem with emails... I'm trying to get emails over wifi/wireless lan, auto send and rec every 15 minutes but the device enters standby before this time... Done a ping to the device and as soon as it enters sleep mode it kill the connection... I would think that if there is an active app (like MSN or EMail) that wants to download data it would reconnect to any setup wlans or stay connected when using a service like msn... Is there any reg hack for this..?
My next question is when the back light dimms (not enter stand by) is it possible to set up keylock? i.e. disable the touch screen/HW keys, then I could standby the device after 30-45 mins (see how the battery goes on that one..!)...
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Edit: I did a bit of digging around the web found this tool called PocketToolman - http://freewareppc.com/utilities/pockettoolman.shtml - Looks like it has an option to enable wifi in standby mode Seems to work anyone else want to give it a test to see if it works... I'll see if I can find a reg key for this tomorrow, unless anyone knows of one already? Looks like the standby kills the CPU so WiFi packets can be processed etc..? But Win Mobile 6 Pro has an "unattended mode", that should allow wifi to work and emails to s&r and MSN to stay connected... For eg this app calls unattended mode to keep wifi active... http://www.pda-ppc.com/download/communication/content/WMWifiRouter.html
EDIT 2:
I've been able to find the following keys that should work with the wifi...
make sure the 98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006 class mataches wifi adapter
Disabled Enabled
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
Now I'm assuming that HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default will keep the wifi connected in standby mode... I'm going to test, can others also test to confirm?
DWORD Dec values have states 0-4, 0 being full power 4 being off... Just to test it, use vaulue of 1... Need a soft reset... It may be worth changing the vaules to 2 or 3 to see if WiFi still remains connected but what the battery drain is like...
Found another app that may also work - http://freewareppc.com/communication/wifiprofiles.shtml
Creds to http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cach...wifi+unattended+mode&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=au for key locations
Someone else test these and let me know what results you get/what power settings you use...

Given how quickly my phone battery drops with WiFi enabled I doubt you'd get more than 3-4 hours out of it if WiFi was enabled in standby mode.

When you want to use MSN over wifi set the following reg keys to dec value of 2:
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\ Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\Default
Power state of 3 doesnt seem to work..? Ideas?

Did some testing using each value as 2 (low power)... For me it drained about 35% of the battery in 4 hours... So you should get a full day (10hrs) out of it before you get to 10% or so...
Be worth making an app that allows you to toggle this...

I know this doesn't really apply to MSN (which needs always-on wifi), but for emails at least maybe there could be a way for the phone to activate wifi instead of the data connection when it wakes up every N minutes to check for new email. And then maybe after a timeout period it could activate the data connection (i.e. if there is no trusted wireless network available) to get the emails. Anyone heard of such a thing?
Also, why does wifi drain the battery so quickly in standby mode but the data connection does not?

Bumping this. Does anyone have any ideas? I might cross-post this in the Touch Pro forum if no one has any thoughts here.

This may help:
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/tag/dontsleep-wifi

Honestly no expert on this, however if you install Advanced Config, under Menu/More Settings/Connections there's an option "Enable Wi-Fi on standby mode" I guess if you tick that you mught have your solution...
I personally haven't tried it.

Yep, just checked it myself and it seems to be do the trick...!
Obviously what sucks there is that you'll need to manually turn your WiFi on and off or otherwise you miht get some serious battery drain...

Screen turning on if I loose signal

Hello,
I've tried searching for an answer on this, but no sucess until now.
My Diamond 2 turns on its screen when it looses and get radio signal back. That is a good feature but the annoying thing is if I enter in a lift with the cell phone in my pocket, it will loose signal, turn screen on and the contact with my pocket will give it "crazy" commands that will mess it up or even call someone.
Is there a way (maybe via Registry Editing) to force it to never turn on the screen unless I press the power button? At least, an option to do nothing in case of signal loss?
Thank you.
Robert

I've just done a few experiements and if I lose signal and it returns, nothing happens. However, perhaps it would help you if you get into the habit of locking your phone before you press power. To do this hold the home button down for a second or so. The phone will buzz and it'll be locked.

Thank you. That's what I will do whenever I put the phone in my pocket. It is still not the best solution, even because I use my D2 to receive emails from work so I am forced to type a password to unlock it after sliding to unlock.
I know there is a Registry key to auto lock, but I prefer doing that manually as you said.
Which ROM are you using? In both original HTC English and now TOM's 2.02.1 it always turn screen on when looses and get signal back.
Thanks.

I'm using the original HTC. I've tried it again, I go to a place where I know I'll lose signal, wait until it does, then press power off. I go back into signal and nothing happens on the device. Only when I press power on does it come back on and show that I have signal. If I do it the other way, press off before I go out of signal, then the behaviour is the same (though I have to just wait and assume signal has been lost, since I can't see it!). Is it perhaps that the phone is set to light up when it receives a certain bit of data (such as a push email), which it's more prone to getting when it comes back into signal? Incidentally, it's 'lose', not 'loose'

I get similar behaviour after setting the phone to stream internet radio and then turning it off and putting in my pocket. Sometimes, after signal loss, I get it out and notice it's turned on and random things have happened due to screen contact.
Funny thing is, I've tried locking the phone too, and exactly the same thing happens. what's the point of a phone lock if it doesn't (lock)!
I've not associated it with a particular event except signal loss. But, when it's not lost the signal, I don't take it out of my pocket, so perhaps it's happening other times without me noticing.
Anybody with an idea to completely lock the phone will be my hero.
And, whilst we're on the subject of annoying traits, is there a way to get rid of the wretched WM "cannot connect with current settings" dialogue which appears after a few failed attempts to reconnect to a 3G network? I find this *really* annoying when all it takes is a few more attempts...

Hi
When the signal is lost or regained the phone is triggered to turn on, but in "unattended" mode. The phone will be on and applications will run however unattended mode is just that, and so no user input is accepted and the screen is not turned on, and the owner will have no idea the phone has switched on. After a short period of time the phone will enter sleep again. In fact many times a day the phone will be turning on in unattended mode without you knowing for one reason or another.
The problem with the phone awaking fully is going to be due to an application or feature you are using. The application will start running when the phone enters unattended mode and is for some reason raising the power state to fully on, this is due to bad programming as it isn't suppose to do this unless it has an alert and needs to show the screen and wait for a response, even then it should give the option for this to be disabled.
Incidently a lot battery problems where the battery doesn't seem to last very long can be due to applications keeping the phone running in unattended mode, so while the phone looks off the processor is still on allowing applications to run, this very quickly drains the battery.
You need to find the application causing the problem then get in touch with the author.
Regards
Phil

Thanks for that, Phil. Understanding is the first step to sorting a problem out. I wasn't aware there was an "inbetween" state.

3G disappears when coming back from standby

Hello all,
I have a little problem that happens frequently.
I am in 3G coverage. Sometimes when I leave my device in standby mode (clicking on the power button to switch off the screen but not shut off the device) for some time and then I turn it on, I see 3G coverage for a very short period (about 5 seconds) and then it disappears and goes back to G.
Some other times 3G works normal.
Anybody have any ideas ?

Sounds like you just don't have a strong signal. You could try a different radio or there may be a firmware update from your provider. Check a coverage map for your carrier and see if you are supposed to have good 3G coverage where you are.

thanks for replying..
I think I will be upgrading my ROM in a couple of days.. I just need to read enough info..
I only got my Diamond last week..
thanks again

3G & H+ turn off when phone in sleep mode

Hi guys. First of all, happy new year!
I dont really have any problem with my GN AT&T...except one.
Recently when i put my phone on sleep mode (just press power button once to turn screen off...not the phone itseld u know what i mean )
But the thing is during sleep mode, it seems my data get turned off, showing only signal bars on the right side. Then when i turn on the phone and unlock in the lock screen, after a few seconds, H+ shows up, activating data.
So i couldnt really get any data related things like fb notifications or kt msgs.
But more weirdly, data was continuously operational for the first few days even during sleep mode and past three four days its been like this.
Your inputs on this greatlyappreciated. Fast dormancy is off btw.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA App

[Q] Wifi/3G not connected whilst phone is in 'sleep'

Okay. I noticed today that when pressed the power button to wake my phone from sleep the wifi or 3g (depending on where i was and what I was connected to, ie home or away) icon was not showing and thus indicating that it wasn't connected. Hmm, I thought it was odd, maybe it was a display error. But I then noticed that my emails and gmails all came through a few seconds after I unlocked the phone (and the connection icon appeared) and that they had all been sent whilst the phone was asleep. So, it seems to me that the phone is disconnecting from any data source when it goes into sleep mode. Now, I am right in thinking that the whole point of push notifications or setting your email to sync every 5 minutes is that the phone will remain connected even whilst asleep, and then wake up (briefly even) when it picks up an email?
I had no power saver on, no smart sync, wifi set to never sleep. Is this normal? It's pretty important that I get my emails as and when they sent to me. Any advice would be great. I am wondering if it's a bug, and whether I need to take to the phone back to exchange for another one?
Info: not rooted, stock rom software no. 1.28.61.7, kernal 3.4.10-gddcfb8c [email protected] #1 SMP PREEMPT, carrier EE (UK).
Cheers

you're sure power saver in the top menu wasn't on? because that's what it does, turns off wifi and data when the screen is off for an expended period.
maybe cycle it on and off a couple of times and see if the problem persists...
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium

No, isn't normal.
So, can you upgrade to the latest firmware and, maybe, do a full wipe?
Did you install some app for battery?
And check that your power saver isn't on...

Check under power, setting that sleep mode is off. That on by default on mine. It turns data off after extended screen of time and doesn't require the power save to be activated.
Sent from my HTC One

Guich said:
No, isn't normal.
So, can you upgrade to the latest firmware and, maybe, do a full wipe?
Did you install some app for battery?
And check that your power saver isn't on...
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Hmm, no additional battery apps, power saving toggled and definitely off (I purposefully turned it off because of it's data management policy), and sleep mode set to off.
So, I'm right in thinking that you/others actually get notifications then? and wifi/3g is working fine? Looks like it's a return and hope that the next one works (I only got the phone 7days ago). My software update says no updates available, though this is likely to be EE fault. If I can get the shop to exchange I might just do that. Ho hum, another 3 hours setting the thing up again then...

It seems to be a Wifi switching itself off problem...
padsmcnulty said:
Hmm, no additional battery apps, power saving toggled and definitely off (I purposefully turned it off because of it's data management policy), and sleep mode set to off.
So, I'm right in thinking that you/others actually get notifications then? and wifi/3g is working fine? Looks like it's a return and hope that the next one works (I only got the phone 7days ago). My software update says no updates available, though this is likely to be EE fault. If I can get the shop to exchange I might just do that. Ho hum, another 3 hours setting the thing up again then...
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So, a quick update in case anyone else is having this problem.
I reset the phone to see if it would make a difference and it kind of has. Now I have noticed that if I am using mobile data it's fine. Things are pushed, notifications come through. But if I use Wifi it's a different matter.
it seems that with Wifi on and connected then it works for around 15 minutes when the phone is sleeping (I have done a few tests). After this it seems to shut wifi down and hence no notifications. So it would seem to me that although Power Saving is set to OFF, and Sleep mode (ie no data in sleep) is set to OFF, the phone is still disconnecting from WIfi regardless of the settings. Which is a bit frustrating as I don't want to be connected to the mobile network all the time, especially at home, but still want to know if I receive emails.
Anyone else experienced this Wifi switching itself off issue (and then switching itself on as soon as you manually wake the phone?)? I have to decide whether to return the phone for a replacement or not. If this is a wide ranging issue it might not be worth it - though I'd have thought a simply thing, like keeping wifi on at all times wouldn't be hard to make sure it worked.

there are a few apps available on the play store such as "keep wifi alive" which might do the trick.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium

bigshape said:
there are a few apps available on the play store such as "keep wifi alive" which might do the trick.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
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Okay, now I feel a bit of Doughnut! I think I've found out what was causing this. So, even though I had Power Saver OFF, Smartsync OFF, Sleep Mode (disconnect data whilst sleep) OFF, I hadn't had a proper look in the Wifi settings, and under Advanced I found:
Advanced>Keep Wifi on during Sleep. This hadn't been set to Always and was set to 'Only when plugged in'. So, changed to 'Always' and now it seems to work (and that would explain why I got emails through the night when charging).
So, apart from feeling a little red-faced for not exploring every single menu available, I am happy it (seems) sorted. If anyone has wifi dropping whilst phone is sleeping it seems there are four steps:
SmartSync = OFF [in Mail app]
Power Saver = OFF [in status bar and Power Settings]
Sleep Mode = OFF [in Power Settings]
Keep Wifi on during Sleep = Always [in Wifi>Advanced Settings]
Hopefully this'll help anyone else who has been having a bit of prolonged blond moment with the phone settings. {retreats to corner}

padsmcnulty said:
Okay, now I feel a bit of Doughnut! I think I've found out what was causing this. So, even though I had Power Saver OFF, Smartsync OFF, Sleep Mode (disconnect data whilst sleep) OFF, I hadn't had a proper look in the Wifi settings, and under Advanced I found:
Advanced>Keep Wifi on during Sleep. This hadn't been set to Always and was set to 'Only when plugged in'. So, changed to 'Always' and now it seems to work (and that would explain why I got emails through the night when charging).
So, apart from feeling a little red-faced for not exploring every single menu available, I am happy it (seems) sorted. If anyone has wifi dropping whilst phone is sleeping it seems there are four steps:
SmartSync = OFF [in Mail app]
Power Saver = OFF [in status bar and Power Settings]
Sleep Mode = OFF [in Power Settings]
Keep Wifi on during Sleep = Always [in Wifi>Advanced Settings]
Hopefully this'll help anyone else who has been having a bit of prolonged blond moment with the phone settings. {retreats to corner}
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I have similar problem. Even when I have everything OFF as you suggest, I get disconnected a second after screen goes off. When I turn phone back on, I can see that wifi is on, but all aps are off and wont connect again. I have to turn wifi off and on and applications like skype go again online. I have this problem at home and also at work on corporate network. I have even tried apps that should keep wifi on, but with no change.
Interesting is that after the phone goes to sleep mode, I can see that speed of wifi is changing on phone. The phone actualy stays connected to wifi, but doesn't send or receive data.
The router at home is TP-Link 1043ND with DD-WRT (flashed to last firmware to see if it fixes this problem). I'm not sure what brand and type are corporate APs, but could be some cisco or similar.
Any advice what else I could try?