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So. I'm currently running a CM10 Galaxy Note (which I only recently upgraded from CM9 and I have to say, the difference is awesome.)
I bought a Nexus 7 a little while ago, and I was thinking about waiting for a Nexus 4 to replace the Note. However, with the instant sellout of the Nexus 4 and the concerns about a few aspects (performance, throttling, durability, etc. etc.) I am considering other options. As of now, they are:
Note 2:
+ Size, Processor, RAM, Storage Capacity (already own 64gb micro sd card in current note)
- Price (will be approximately £200 to upgrade)
HTC One X
+ Size (still a decent sized screen, at least compared to Nexus 4), Processor, Price (approximately £50 to upgrade)
- Only 1 GB RAM, No external SD
Nexus 4:
+ Processor, RAM, Android Update Support, Price (approximately £100 to upgrade)
- Screen size, Questions about quality issues, lack of supply means value of Note will drop as I wait to purchase, No external SD
Galaxy S3
+ Size (bigger screen than the non-Notes), Processor, RAM, Developer Support, Storage space (SD card)
- Price (approximately £100-150 to upgrade)
What would you do? The fear is that the longer we go, the more the value of the note will drop. The values of all the others will drop, whilst the Nexus most likely won't.
All input welcomed!
Install VoIP software on the Nexus 7, e.g. CSIPSimple, and get an account with some provider. Three allow VoIP on their data SIMs.
Oh. It's wifi only. Not that this inherently a massive problem but it does limit its usefulness somewhat. But thanks for the suggestion. ^_^
And I still have a contract with my note, so this is why I am not simply signing a new contract to get one of the phones above. Should have mentioned. Sorry.
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Install VoIP software on the Nexus 7, e.g. CSIPSimple, and get an account with some provider. Three allow VoIP on their data SIMs.
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stalkachu said:
Oh. It's wifi only. Not that this inherently a massive problem but it does limit its usefulness somewhat. But thanks for the suggestion. ^_^
And I still have a contract with my note, so this is why I am not simply signing a new contract to get one of the phones above. Should have mentioned. Sorry.
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You guys have lost me completely !
I'd not go with the Note2, as there is no official CM support for the device(a deal-breaker,at least for me)
Neither the Galaxy S3 bcoz it will be old and you'll get the itch to upgrade as soon as the S4 comes out (oh, and that won't have official CM support too if it uses Exynos)
Nexus 4 - No idea, I don't care about a phone that has only 8 to 16 GB of memory no matter how good its other specs are.(Come to India and check out 3G data prices, you'll see why)
HTC 1 X - Still no memory but at least there is a 32GB option available ( although if the 64 GB card is anything to go by, it will be less for you....and me too ).But I guess you can use 4G for your data needs(I heard the carriers in UK were rolling out 4G soon).
My advice would to be wait it out with the Note and see what the next year brings to the table.Sony is releasing the Xperia Yuga and Odin models with 1080p screens.Check them out.HTC is also coming out with a 1080p phone.All of these are practically guaranteed to come with the S4 Pro so they will get official CM support.I'd go with Sony, seeing as it is XDA's top OEM of the year 2012.
Just to make it clear, I'm not a Sony fan as I've never bought a Sony phone in the past.
I would say the nexus 4 is somewhat a success and Google broke new grounds in price, performance, and design. For most of us the nexus 4 meets all of our needs is near perfect. But still most of the world knows nothing about a nexus or what stock android is. I encounter a lot of what I would consider the average customer and to explain to them what stock is and why its better and why you should want a nexus its a lot for them to take in. Most people still know apple and getting a new phone requires a contract.
I think Google should have two nexus phones one high end one low end. Not this 8gb and 16gb 50 dollar price difference its just pointless. I am sure we could all agree a nexus 4 a little bit higher end and not so fragile at 400 dollars unlocked would still sell like hotcakes.
Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
Last when did training videos go out of style. There is so much to learn in android average people will just not figure it out. Make a 20 min video showing how to do all the new features. Put it on the phone or link to right when they activate the phone. Apple is going to make a cheaper iphone might as well beat them to its so it doesn't look like you copied.
I think everyone should have an unlocked phone seeing how now its illegal. I don't see any advantage of being locked into a contract. And if Google really wanted to make an impact make Google voice support WiFi calling ( carriers will go ape **** ). People would pay for this at a low price. Any I'm not buying the argument that carriers could not handle the data usage in 2013. Or if dreams really come true buy T-Mobile. Its crazy to me what people are paying for phone bills and watching minutes and bandwidth.
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I'd be happy if they just brought their accessories like their Wireless Charging Orb. This phone isn't even complete yet.
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
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I think we can all agree on 2 things this phone needed to make it legendary.
1. Better quality camera sensor
2. At least 3000 mAh battery
& I'm still waiting for that wireless charging orb!!!
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And LTE
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Fataldesain said:
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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atulalvenkar said:
Android needs Samsung HTC Sony and LG to succeed. If they start showing Motorola favoritism, other OEMs might move away from Android. At this point they are playing safe.
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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They need to make a phone from scratch instead of doing slight mods to everybody elses old parts. Every Nexus device has been like a kit car. They need to carry out their plans fully, if the part doesnt exist then make it.
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But thats the more expensive way to do it. Its much harder to completely design and manufacture a phone from the ground up than it is to take an already existing phone and modify it to fit your needs. Plus google doesn't build phones, they just worry about software and design aesthetics. They leave the hardware and major designing to the larger companies.
Better battery life indeed.
And they need to work better with the app making companies out there cause a lot of them has issues with android, specially the issue about the phone not going to deep sleep.
I think all day have to do is to be a perfectionist, focus on every little thing and make sure everything works great, and keep it at a low price.
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And LTE
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LTE works fine for me
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subxero123 said:
LTE works fine for me
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Show off, I got 35 Mbps down on hspa+
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Move away to what I think its the other way around.
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If the manufacturers wanted to make a big push for Tizen OS, it COULD be the next big thing. Also, there is WP8.
Don't forget that people scoffed at Android in it's infancy; some still do. But look at it now.
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They JUST bought Motorola. It will take at least 18-24 months from time of purchase for you to see anything that has been "Google" driven. First few months they will probably restructure the company so you can count those months out already.
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Does anyone here really think Google cares how many N4's are sold or whether people get served up ads or buy content from Play on a non-Nexus device? Those things are why Android exists. Samsung's sold 100MM Galaxy devices compared to about 3MM Nexus phones Google will have sold which includes the lifetime run of the N4. To the non-XDA world TW is Android. And at $299/349 the N4 is $100/150 higher than a subsidized better spec'd phone via a carrier. And the 90% of the U.S. not using an MVNO could care less if their device is locked. The enthusiast community (us) make up 5% of device purchasers. What we want and what's commercially viable or important are two different things.
And the whole "AOSP is fantastic" thing is getting a bit old. Back in the days of single core ships, 512K of RAM, and overlays the size of a house AOKP and AOSP drastically improved device performance. As it stands the h/w is ahead of the s/w so any improvements in fluidity and transitions are measured in milliseconds. And there are a ton of usability features in TW, Sense, and the like that make devices easier to use than stock. Here's a list of TW features from the N2 that have nothing to do with the pen. So you'll get updates faster on a Nexus device but as it stands Samsung's JB wireless stacks work where AOSP is borked. AOSP isn't the slam dunk it used to be. And it's doubtful you'll see the dramatic enhancements we've seen from 2>3>4 in future Android versions simply because the OS is matured now. So it’s cool as enthusiasts to have some Nexus options but naked Android on more than a small percentage of shipping devices is a train that’s left the station.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
And since Motorola is a mainstream high-volume manufacturer, to mayurolla’s point, I’d be willing to bet anyone here their new devices have an overlay because that’s what mainstream consumers (volume) dictates. The GN was available on the carriers at the same subsidized price as other overlayed devices and it only sold 750K units while the SGS2 and SGS3 sold in the tens of millions. That pretty much sums it up.
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Now since its 2013 I would have to believe they could build a cheaper 150 - 200 dollar 4.3 screen size dual core basic spec phone and totally take over the prepaid market. Even take the iPhone route have one design keep it for 4 years. I mean why should stock android be the smallest group in android phones.
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That's too low to be possible or feasible, but $250 or $300 maybe. I would definitely settle for one. I am not fond of oversized phones these day, and 4.2 - 4.5" 720p screen would do. However, I don't think this is the business model or plan of Google, they only want to release a single device with flagship spec and make it a development platform (imo), I don't think they are in the 'selling phones for profit' game like other manufacturers. Though I really wish the idea would come true, I don't like obese phones.
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Ace42 said:
- Improve software optimization
- Get kernel to 3.8, up from current 3.4
- Improve customer service
- Release full source faster
- Allow preorders always
- Discourage devs from making ported apps, encourage only natively written
- More gestures
- Improve camera software
- Ui theme must be synced in all apps, can't have gingerbread look in some and holo in others
- Improved CPU logic for multicores, throw out mpdecison
- improve thermal logic
- throw out project butter, start fresh for 5.0
- lower GPU api access like on consoles, devs should have full access
- built in color settings
- new ui for 5.0
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Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
longebane said:
Start fresh...as in break compatibility?
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Fresh as in their concept of project butter not android, that would be very dangerous and risky.I wanna see the type of speed bump you see when upgrading windows 7 -> 8.
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Fataldesain said:
Yeah wireless orb feels like its never coming, must have some issues. But also having 2 nexus phones one being cheaper would really push NFC. And I don't know why they are not using Motorola to make some of their devices. Didn't they buy the hardware side?
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I think the problem they have with the orb is it's entirely wireless, in the original image it's just an orb with no wires.
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
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Screen Resolution will always have an impact on performance. The more pixels to display, the harder the GPU has to work. Given the note has a significantly higher resolution than the Galaxy S2 while running the same GPU (and pretty much the same hardware overall), its unlikely you'll see the same graphics performance between the two devices.
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vegetables said:
They got the same chipset, and that's exactly the problem, that's why the note is always laggy unlike the incredible smoothness on S2 , you r comparing:
- 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density) ~> S2
TO
- 800 x 1280 pixels, 5.3 inches (~285 ppi pixel density) ~> Note 1
How could the same chipset handle bigger screen, higher resolution and more ppi ?
And even with CM kernel, it even laggs more and more
The solution? ~> buy Note 2 xD
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If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
I was keen on getting Nexus 4 but it's not available in India. Btw, my current phone is Motorola Defy. It's terrible to say the least. All I want to know if it will function lag free in day to day performance and some gaming?
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little-vince said:
Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
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i dont really understand the " buy note 2 " thing. because it has the same gpu as the note 1.
note 1 is still a worthy device to have because at present it can run every app that is in the play store.
but soon it will not be enough.
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No!
rashsalmn said:
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I agree with you up to a certain extent. However I wish to raise the following points-
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
I don't like the 16:10 aspect ratio
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.
Yes, there will be just one more update to 4.2.2 and then Samsung will drop support.
Out here in India, Nexus 4 isn't even available officially.
@op I wouldn't buy this phone if I were you. Get something from the newer generation or get the note2 secondhand when the note 3 comes out - doubtless there will be more than one idiot willing to throw away a perfectly good phone for the latest and greatest.
However if you want a phone that 'just works' and developer support is important then go for a Sony.
What am I getting ? The next nexus. But that's because I'm a flashaholic !
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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howard bamber said:
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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It will be two years this October....
warfareonly said:
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.!
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I'm not sure that's the case. The Exynos 4 is still in current hardware, such as the S3, Note 2 and Note 8. The Exynos 5 is in the Nexus 10 and is expected to show up in the S4 at some point. All of these devices have a huge amount of aftermarket dev support.
warfareonly said:
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
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Again, we need to compare on price, not hardware specs. I don't know how much the Note sells for in India, but compare that with what's available in the same price bracket. The Note cannot now compete with the latest and greatest, nor the previous top models perhaps, but I'm sure it would fair very well indeed against the current mid-range crop.
As for the Dual / Quad core arguement, check what Anand says when he reviews the Note 8 and talks about Multiview:
Here’s where having four cores actually can make a difference.
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Meaning that in general 4 cores are not really any more useful than 2 unless you have something that specifically can benefit.
wait for note 3
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RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
rxpaul said:
While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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I M Talking about NOTE II Not Craps with Mediatek Chipsets
IMHO if u dont' already own a Note 1, u should go for the Note 2, or wait for Note 3 =)
♡ for my note. Its my personal computing device and my diary and album
Get any note device and you will be a happy person.
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Hi all
I'm debating on buying either of these two phones
I play a lot of hd games so is the s3 LTE's gpu good enough (compared to nexus 4)?
The only reason i don't want to buy a nexus 4 is because of the paltry storage.......
In terms of performance does the s3 LTE match the nexus 4?
The S3 LTE is approx. 40$ more than nexus 4 where i am going to buy it and will the S3 LTE get android 5? (or even further)?
I would appreciate a quick reply as i have to buy either by tomrrow....
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i dont mind lack of lte in nexus 4 my main worry is storage on nexus 4 and performance on s3 lte
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i dont mind lack of lte in nexus 4 my main worry is storage on nexus 4 and performance on s3 lte
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Nexus 4. Get a big one and storage shouldn't be an issue, else you're using it wrong. I base this recommendation on your posting this on XDA, I assume you were at some point going to flash a non-standard ROM on your S3 LTE, yes? You will never get a completely stable AOSP-based ROM on an S3 LTE, this means ParanoidAndroid, AOKP, CyanogenMod. They will run, but they might drain the battery more than usual and certain features will probably never work on them due to lack of source code from Samsung. Same goes for the Exynos-based S4.
Get a Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z or HTC One... Or buy my S3 LTE for a good price?
Lol sorry man can't buy yours but i do plan to have 3-4 hd games and considering this takes up around 8-9 gb the remaining 2-3 gb on nexus 4 isn't sufficient......
Have you tried any hd games on ur s3 lte? How do they perform? And yes like you corectly concurred i will be running cyanogenmod if i buy an s3......
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Nexus 4 support only 3g network, of cause you should not by nexus 4.
4G network is the trend, you should buy galaxy s iii lte
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I had the same dilemma and my choice was i9305. Development is slow and painful but other than that it's great phone. 2GB of RAM and LTE on board makes it more future proof than N4. Expandable memory is a MUST so N4 looses again.
I've played few new HD games on it and there's no lag or anything, smooth and crisp graphics. Brightness half way up and you can play up to 4hrs non-stop!
Removable battery is a good thing if you want to play games on it.....
Price is going down as well, here in UK, you can get new one from eBay for less than £300 so it cost the same as N4.
It's really up to you but I'll suggest S3 LTE.
If I hadnt been given a 4G S3 as a replacement by insurance when my orig S3 broke I would have gotten a Nexus 4, Not a fan of samsung anymore they are far to closed to development on there hardware. My friends with the Nexus 4 dont mind the lack of LTE as its plenty fast enough and with so much Wifi I guess it depends on how important LTE is to you
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Lol sorry man can't buy yours but i do plan to have 3-4 hd games and considering this takes up around 8-9 gb the remaining 2-3 gb on nexus 4 isn't sufficient......
Have you tried any hd games on ur s3 lte? How do they perform? And yes like you corectly concurred i will be running cyanogenmod if i buy an s3......
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I agree with the others, the S3 LTE is a good phone. But it is a terrible choice if you plan on running CyanogenMod.
Rekoil and co - how is it a 'terrible' choice.. Come on dram queens.. CM10.1 is working a treat on my I9305 don't kno wwhat your on about.. Stbale, feature rich (sure a few things not present) and development is nightly just like the rest of the game.. So I ask again.. Sure the kernal tweaks/modding is where we're lacking but with the right tools you can can very good battery life and performance is blistering..
All in all only negative is the scope of development presently - this isn't to say things won't change with respect to kernal.. In short nothing critical is missing and development is churning along nicely.. A few features i'm sure you'll miss if your looking but makes up for in performance/multi tasking imo .
Lack of ROM choices is another issue sure - but if your talking CM then not really as they're all pretty much on par..
So Kernal once again.. This is the big miss with the phone.. Anyway just eager for kernal releases if possible.. Otherwise i'll still be content until the next big thing comes my way and th ephone still rocks hard core
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If I hadnt been given a 4G S3 as a replacement by insurance when my orig S3 broke I would have gotten a Nexus 4, Not a fan of samsung anymore they are far to closed to development on there hardware. My friends with the Nexus 4 dont mind the lack of LTE as its plenty fast enough and with so much Wifi I guess it depends on how important LTE is to you
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hm, imagine when all your friends are watching youtube hd video using lte network, getting a 40 to 100 mb per sec download speed without lag and wait time for start and you are still using around 10mb download speed. waiting the video to load up , hahaha
I think at that time your would regret buying a 3g phone at the beginning.
and the truth is at some point of time in near future ( actually it is happening now in Hong Kong), the mothly charge for a 3G plan is equal to a monthly charge of 4G plan. Would you think you are stupid when you are paying a 4G plan while using only 3G network simply because you are using a damn phone that can only support 3G network?
And for the wifi, come on, be realistic, in a coffee shop , 30 people sitting there sharing the network, how fast can you get from that wifi network?
Thanks for all the input guys......sat down and calculated how much storage i would need after all the games and music and excluding videos i will have used around 12.4 GB. Considering the nexus 4 has only 12.9 GB storage available to the user I will mostly be going for the s3 LTE.....
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as annoying but rekoil is cyanogen really that bad on s3? That would be a major put-off......because I can't stand touchwiz.....and right now on my mini almost every custom ROM like AOKP and CM has one problem or the other....
Oh and anguslaw 4G doesn't really matter to me we don't even have it yet here in india :-/
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Rekoil and co - how is it a 'terrible' choice.. Come on dram queens.. CM10.1 is working a treat on my I9305 don't kno wwhat your on about.. Stbale, feature rich (sure a few things not present) and development is nightly just like the rest of the game.. So I ask again.. Sure the kernal tweaks/modding is where we're lacking but with the right tools you can can very good battery life and performance is blistering..
All in all only negative is the scope of development presently - this isn't to say things won't change with respect to kernal.. In short nothing critical is missing and development is churning along nicely.. A few features i'm sure you'll miss if your looking but makes up for in performance/multi tasking imo .
Lack of ROM choices is another issue sure - but if your talking CM then not really as they're all pretty much on par..
So Kernal once again.. This is the big miss with the phone.. Anyway just eager for kernal releases if possible.. Otherwise i'll still be content until the next big thing comes my way and th ephone still rocks hard core
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And what about the graphics glitches in keyboard and other places that will literally never be fixed? TV out will also never be fixed.
I'll be honest, I'm going off what I've seen on my friends non-LTE device (I9300, pretty much the same device apart from the modem), I personally cannot run AOSP-based on my device because if I run anything other than Perseus kernel my baseband doesn't find an IMEI, perhaps this has pronounced my dislike for Samsung (in my opinion, something like the modem configuration shouldn't be so easily breakable/writable). But everything I've said is true, all the good developers want nothing to do with the Exynos4 platform, codeworkx happened to have ported to I9300, making I9305 very easy to support, but he wont even accept a free I9305 at this point, because he is fed up with Samsung.
I will mention this again because I feel it is an important point. I very much like the hardware, it is simple in design and feature rich, this is a phone I would have stayed with for several years... if Samsung had released source code for the platform in a timely manner. At this point I am probably going to sell my I9305 soon and use my old Desire S until I can get ahold of an Xperia Z or something. All the sources for that device were released BEFORE the device even hit the market, now THAT is good support.
And... "development is churning along nicely"? This is literally all that is happening in terms of development for AOSP-based ports. If you know anything about programming you can tell that those commits are not development so much as fixing configuration mistakes and applying code loaned from other devices.
Although this is interesting... apparently the Galaxy S4 in my market will not be using the Exynos Octa, but rather a Snapdragon 600. This might be a pretty good contender in that case! At the moment I'm personally considering HTC One, Xperia Z and Galaxy S4 (but ONLY if it comes with Snapdragon 600).
I would go for a nexus 4. Brilliant processing and graphics rendering and no lack of roms or development for the next 3 years atleast. Also there is something called enjoying one game at a time. In my experience I have never liked playing more than one good game At a time on my phone. Nor would u b wasting your time removing the crap that Samsung puts on it's phones. Just my view, yours may be different
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Thanks
Thanks for the input guys. I'm now decided I'm going to buy nexus 4. I'm also thinking because of lack of additional storage. But i have nexus 7. I can play all the games that I put there. My friend let me hold his note 2 and I was asked to root it and install rooms or kernel. I searched in xda and read threads. I'm a little disappointed because of few custom roms. I'm really looking for aokp rom but it's not stable on note 2 I think this applies to all Samsung phones except for Google edition?
If you're into tweaking and want custom roms, high performance phone go for nexus 4 and leave that additional storage, removable battery, LTE, and touch wiz!
Seems you made your choice. They are both equally good phones, just in different areas. The nexus 4 is faster, nicer and has a superior screen. As for stock android ... well I hate it - it is faster, but I guess it's a matter of preference. One advice - when you pick up your n4 take the phone as you would talk and listen for any noise from the earpiece - they tend to hiss a lot and if it does, ask for another one. Also look for a rev 2.0 N4 - they made some nice small changes in the design, google it.
Even if you will get a Nexus 4 i still think that S3 LTE is the way to go for what you need it, yes Nexus 4 has better development and better GPU, but S3 LTE you get more space, you can get a spare battery, better screen for gaming (the home buttons are a bit of a problem at first at least when playing some games).
So by me i'd say strictly for gaming:
Nexus 4: 1) better GPU (not that better in real games only in benchmarks).
S3 LTE: 1) more space (you will need it the more the game will evolve)
2) spare battery a must for gamers on smartphones (or a big battery)
3) games seem better on Amoled screens (but that's just my opinion, and no problems whit the buttons).
4) better sound if you use headphones
But if you want to mod the phone go for Nexus 4 v2.0.:fingers-crossed:
I would like to know how is the radio/antena quality of Nexus 4. Galaxy Nexus has terrible reception compared to S3. GPS chip is a second class (still talking about GN.) too. I got a feeling that they build Nexus devices to be crap intentionally, so that all software which is able to run on it, flies on other high end devices . Regarding Note 2, I am not sure what the guy is talking about. There are plenty of ROMs and support for it. It is a great peace of hardware IMO, and my favorite one. It always comes up to, what for do you actually need/use a device. I want to be able to work with it. For me that means writing emails, doing some system administration (I use PaderSync for ssh for example.), sometimes working even with Excel sheets, browsing the web, and making pictures of documents and singing them (stopped doing this.) and for all this I need a bigger screen and resolution, always good reception and decent camera. I also like colors of amoled screens .
So you decide depending on what is important for you, and check the value for money ratio, of course.
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But if you are not in a hurry, why not wait a little and consider other phones? Xperia Z has great support, sources are published, it's a nice device, HTC One and S4 will get Nexus like versions. So depending on how do you intend to acquire your device (contract or free/unlocked) maybe you will be able to get one of newer devices?
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N4 has good reception, high class gps and amazingly sharp screen. It's fast as hell , boots in seconds and loads apps instantly. UI is very responsive (butter) Camera is also decent, but not better than sgs3 and the led is weaker.
Only drawbacks are speakerphone, in call quality, lack of space and the terrible vanilla os with the onscreen buttons and ugly and very uncomfortable UI (personal opinion). Oh and that battery... Well it's not intended for gaming , it's a developer phone and ! If I was new to android I'd get the nexus, but the OEM skins actually make for a better usability ( s planner, better phone ui)
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N4 has good reception, high class gps and amazingly sharp screen. It's fast as hell , boots in seconds and loads apps instantly. UI is very responsive (butter) Camera is also decent, but not better than sgs3 and the led is weaker.
Only drawbacks are speakerphone, in call quality, lack of space and the terrible vanilla os with the onscreen buttons and ugly and very uncomfortable UI (personal opinion). Oh and that battery... Well it's not intended for gaming , it's a developer phone and ! If I was new to android I'd get the nexus, but the OEM skins actually make for a better usability ( s planner, better phone ui)
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You like TW ! I don't like S Planer because it forces you to use Samsung Calendar, and doesn't have 2 way sync with Google calendar, what I use for work too.
Speaking about launcher, Nova is my preference. Simple but powerful. Should be the Google stock one.
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Hey guys, I've created a video review of the Nexus 4 after I've used the phone for awhile. I really found it quite impressive given its age; therefore I decided to start a video series on the Nexus 4 too - below is the first video where I'm talking about using the device as a daily driver today, 5 years after its launch. I've also compared it with the rival S3. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/_-pZJLMjoxw
More Nexus 4 videos will come, some reviews of the best custom ROMs (Nougat and Oreo) and maybe some tips and tricks as well.
I had a Nexus 5 before, it broke and I brought a second hand Nexus 4... Almost a year ago.
It still looks nicer than the majority of new releases and performance-wise is very much usable.
The only thing that really shows it's age is the camera (both of them). It lags SO much and is not really stable.
I refurbished my old Nexus 4 and consider to use it as daily device. But, it's a 5 years old device and I wonder if it will perform enough under today's conditions, or not.
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I refurbished my old Nexus 4 and consider to use it as daily device. But, it's a 5 years old device and I wonder if it will perform enough under today's conditions, or not.
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Definitely it will! Try it out.
Nitin
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Definitely it will! Try it out.
Nitin
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I will.
Thank you
The Nexus 4 really has stood the test of time. It even has Oreo ROMs... Not to mention a slew of alternative OSes (UBPorts, Sailfish, Firefox OS, LuneOS...). Even with some of its shortcomings (rear-facing speaker, meh battery life and cameras, no sd card support) it's my favorite Android device ever made and I love the back design and wireless charging.
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The Nexus 4 really has stood the test of time. It even has Oreo ROMs... Not to mention a slew of alternative OSes (UBPorts, Sailfish, Firefox OS, LuneOS...). Even with some of its shortcomings (rear-facing speaker, meh battery life and cameras, no sd card support) it's my favorite Android device ever made and I love the back design and wireless charging.
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All the above is why I am considering it as a replacement for my Galaxy Nexus (my first smartphone, which is now a backup).
The back design is, if anything, typical Nexus (and LG, for that matter) - the back design is shared with both the Galaxy Nexus and the later non-Nexus LG K20.
Wireless charging - another feature shared with the GNex (one of the oldest - if not THE oldest - smartphones that supports wireless charging). Don't have a wireless charger? It can also use Samsung wired chargers (not exactly commonplace that a non-Samsung smartphone can use Samsung chargers) - something else shared with the LG K20 (and the Nexus 5, also from LG).
Like the Galaxy Nexus, it supports Android 4.x; however, unlike it, it WOULD actually get Lollipop stock (useful for those of you on stock-only carriers, such as VZW). In another difference from the GNex, it uses a Qualcomm quad-core SoC (which means that it supports Oreo, that the GNex currently doesn't do). Not looking to bite the cookie? It still supports all the community ROMs that the GNex does (and some that it doesn't); TWRP also is supported officially. It's not expensive - Amazon has it for barely more than the bottom-end Nexus 2 (also aimed at the backup phone market) or the GNex itself. It can also use microSIMs from the GNex; if you need SDcard support, though, you would prefer the Nexus 5 - the 4 does not support microSD.