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Hey guys, since 4.1.2 is pretty naff for most LG devices, I've set up, and am trying to launch a petition to get some action on some officialness for some of the flagship devices..
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/lg-release-official-android-updates-for-flagship-devices#
Sign and share, and post everywhere you can, add to your signatures, I think LG will learn to finally listen and compete with their rivals!
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Sorry but when pointed to this I had to reply
Lg is not going to listen go these change petitions. Anyone who says different is kidding themselves. Either make do with what you have or learn to do it yourself
Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth and that's basically life
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LG do wath they want. I'm pretty sure that they will update (or not) because they know that have weight for their marketing.
Yeah i think that lg shares updates in subordination of her marketing projects and ther's no way to change this, unluckily
They already stated that they'll be rolling out KitKat not only for the top-of-the-line devices but also the whole L series (2nd gen), including the cheaper L3-II and L4-II (maybe even L1-II), so i think in doing that, LG is not treating it's costumers that bad.
If you want KitKat for the L series (1st gen), you'll have to wait for CM based releases or compile one yourself, we can't ask any brand to eternally update their old line of devices, when the market nowadays calls for a constant stream of new ones.
If any brand gets stuck on updating older generation devices instead of newer ones, they go bankrupt. Updates are free, so brands get $0.00 for it. Selling devices is what keeps them alive.
It's maintaining the balance between these two factors that makes a good user-friendly brand, and LG for now is doing rather well i think. Better than Samsung at least, since they will only update to 4.4 their top of the tops...
JBolho said:
They already stated that they'll be rolling out KitKat not only for the top-of-the-line devices but also the whole L series (2nd gen), including the cheaper L3-II and L4-II (maybe even L1-II), so i think in doing that, LG is not treating it's costumers that bad.
If you want KitKat for the L series (1st gen), you'll have to wait for CM based releases or compile one yourself, we can't ask any brand to eternally update their old line of devices, when the market nowadays calls for a constant stream of new ones.
If any brand gets stuck on updating older generation devices instead of newer ones, they go bankrupt. Updates are free, so brands get $0.00 for it. Selling devices is what keeps them alive.
It's maintaining the balance between these two factors that makes a good user-friendly brand, and LG for now is doing rather well i think. Better than Samsung at least, since they will only update to 4.4 their top of the tops...
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I agree with you on that. LG's doing rather well as a user-friendly brand. I've given up my iPhone in April and only came back to having a smartphone last month by buying an LG and I'm contented with it so far.
no more nexus phones in 2015??
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57617858-251/google-could-swap-nexus-line-with-google-play-by-2015/
https://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/427697036008251393
http://bgr.com/2014/01/27/google-nexus-discontinued-rumor/
please tell me its just a hoax and not true becouse googleplay editions are expensive almost as buying the oem bloatwared one.
GE program didn't even exist a 18 months ago, I'm sure it'd still an evolving question.
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1st. I don't trust any "he said, he said."
2nd. Its Twitter. No reliable info comes from Twitter besides evleaks and even he's been wrong a lot of times.
3rd. If this were true all Android sites would have info on this. I'd have post by The Verge flooding my FB/Twitter timeline.
Rumors will be rumors.
The whole point of Nexus devices is to provide affordable high end devices with stock android to the public.
Why would i pay 600$+ for a phone with no contract? Might as well get tied to a carrier and pay 200$ for the phone, root it, and install GPE ROMs
It would be beyond stupid if Google discontinued the Nexus line and just provide GPE phones.
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Sales are good on Nexus line up...
Here in India, still there is a demand for Nexus 5...
Google aint that dum to drop it just like that
Well then if you buy phone with contract to cut the price you get, sim locked, branded phone without possibility to unlock boot loader,(no custom kernels, no aosp based roms..)it happened to me with xperia S, i was able only to root it and flash roms based on sony stock firmware & kernel.
Lets hope it wont happen
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Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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So you think Samsung has been working on Tizen because of how much they love Google? Samsung has kind of already stated that they're not happy with Google basically dictating the direction of Android. If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market. Do you think all those Galaxy owners would care if Tizen was on the Galaxy S 5? Would they even know?
Lenovo ALREADY makes Android phones. I really don't know why they wanted to buy Motorola when Google kept the patents. Something about the US market, which doesn't make sense again because Lenovo is extremely well-regarded here. Possibly they bought them for the contracts they have.
http://www.zdnet.com/googles-motorola-mobility-detour-running-the-numbers-7000025784/
Google Play Edition phones have been a big bust. Consumers have not responded to them specifically because they cannot be purchased subsidised. The promise of quick updates was also a laugh. KitKat for Nexus 4 (!) came out in November, and HTC One is JUST NOW getting it. They also DO NOT make a higher profit margin, you don't understand how subsidies work if you think that.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57592282-94/are-the-google-play-edition-smartphones-worth-it/
The point of Google needing Nexus devices is for developers. This was the whole purpose of the Nexus line. I know people like you probably see Nexus as a consumer device for pure Google, but that's simply not true. Nexus devices are essential to bypass carriers and phone manufacturers who drag their feet on updates because they don't care about older phones, just getting you to buy a new one. Nexus devices are so developers can code for and test against Android releases. Do you REALLY think Google can release Android and wait until Samsung decides to make a product with it? Have you seen how long it takes phone manufacturers to release updates? There are still phones out there on Ice Cream Sandwich waiting for promised Jellybean updates when KitKat is here!
BTW, Google makes NO MONEY on Android. Android had no licencing fee. Doesn't matter if there is 2 phone makers or 200. They only make money on Google Play, which relies on developers being able to code for Android.
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If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market.
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Definitely not. Maybe a few years ago that would have been true, but people are already used to android and won't leave it just because one of the many android phone producers stopped making them.
That post was wrong all over, but i'll try to work with it.
Given the deal Google just hashed out with Samsung, wherein they'll be sharing all their patents for the next ten years, I'd say that partnership is going nowhere. And i'd say right now their relationship is fantastic. This isn't conjecture, either. Google and Samsung weren't happy with one another until very recently, as you say. Google bought Motorola which created a conflict of interest for other OEMs like Samsung, and Samsung was essentially threatening to fork Android or roll with Tizen.
Neither was going to follow through with those threats, though. It was a stand off, because both companies mobile divisions would be ****ed otherwise. Mutually assured destruction. Yes, people would notice when they had no Google Play store and had hack job apps from whatever store Samsung rolled out which didnt have anywhere near the requisite apps to compete. That's why Samsung is bailing on the magazine UI it recently unveiled too, and why they're going to slow down work on Tizen. There's a general assumption that Google sold Motorola because that patent partnership with Samsung also had an unwritten agreement to do just that.
Lenovo? The deal makes sense for them if it works. They penetrate the US mobile market as a Chinese company, which has been extremely difficult. Some people know about Lenovo, but it isn't a household name. Motorola is. Brand recognition and a company they can scale up was all they wanted. They got it, and that's that.
A developers phone? Dude, this isn't 2009, the Nexus line isn't just intended for developers anymore. Head onto Google's own website and check out their ad pitches for the phone. "Takes great pics! Share with friends easily! Google Now experience and Maps!" That's not pitching to developers, at all. Devs will get whatever phones they want, perhaps even iPhones, because you don't need a Nexus to dev. At all. They're hardly related.
To my knowledge, the Google Play editions of phones aren't subsidized. They are, however, much more expensive than a Nexus 4 or 5. An S4 might cost about the same to build as a Nexus 5, but it's selling for considerably more. 340 vs 600 iirc.
I would assume that updates would show up with the same pace as ever on Android. That is to say, late or never. Only us nerds suffer, most people don't even notice.
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They make a TON of money off of Android.
They don't do it for charity or just to make other people money.
Android to them is all about getting people to use their services and in many markets just to get people online. So they can use Google services / generate ad revenue....
Nexus still is a developer phone in first place. Yes, google has changed their selling strategy but still it's mainly intresting for developers.
And no, it's not right that devs can develope on every phone. Look onto the comments in play store on many apps these days.
Many of them complain about problems with 4.4.x because these developer have no Nexus phone and their phone don't have a 4.4 update.
With a nexus phone, devs can develope for a wider range of android versions and check for problems with particular versions then with any other phone.
For instant:
a developer with a Nexus 4 can test his application against 4.2,4.3 and 4.4 because all these versions exists for the Nexus 4. Can you do this with an Samsung S4 ? Simple answer: No (I only talk about factory images, so stock roms, not custom roms). And a dev can get 2 Nexus phones for the price of one S4 btw. so he can get for instant the Samsung Galaxy for ICS and the JellyBean till 4.2 and the Nexus 4 for 4.2 to 4.4 for the same money.... you see what I mean ?
And developing for the Android marked on an iPhone ? iOS and Android don't have even the same codebase, You can't develope for Android on an iOS System or the other way around. That's why most small devs only have their App on iOS or Android but not on both because they would need both types of phones/Tablets and have to develope their app in two complete diffent systems...
So in the end, the Nexus line helps Google to make a big bunch of money not by the phone but on helping the App-Devs to develope for their Market. if they would end this Line, they would kill some developement on the App section and theirfore cut some of their moneymaking in that area.
And regarding "consumer phone", I think, they make the Nexus Line more consumer oriented to cut some of their developement costs down. Because to bring a new Nexus phone onto the marked costs them a not so small dollar for developement etc. So they make it more wider for the consumer to sell more devices and theirfore minimize the loss in that department.
Perhaps I should have phrased my comments about a dev being able to get any phone differently. I was referring to a developer getting any phone for his leisure phone because while it is definitely nice to have a Nexus, it isn't necessary. Developers run through a plethora of phones when making an app or ROM, that's life. Will the Nexus allow them to reach a large audience? Yep, but it still isn't 100% necessary. Not every Android dev needs a Nexus, and not even remotely close to every Nexus owner is a developer.
The phones have traditionally been considered developer phones, but that changed entirely with the Nexus 4, and I think Google said as much. They're just not targeting developers alone, which was the main point I was making. This phone is used predominantly by the average consumer. Let's assume they sell 2 million of these things, though the number is definitely higher. If they've sold that many, and let's say EVERY android developer owns a Nexus (they don't), it still wouldn't equate to a quarter of their sales
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Hey guys,
So, as you already know, the end of 2015 is near and in just a couple of weeks we'll enter 2016, embracing the new devices, new technologies, new chips that will reside in your future phones and tablets, and perhaps will see interesting changes to the manufacturers from around the world as one makes a mistake, while others learn and improve from theirs
Seeing as how this year has been a really interesting one for pretty much every OEM out there, whether the device manufacturedc shipped with Android, iOS, Windows or other operating system, like when Motorola kinda disappointed us with updates for Moto E, LG pumped out great G4 and V10, and Samsung went backwards on the Galaxy S6.
Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that this year everybody found a device to pick up, no matter if its on the low-end pricing model like the Moto G or Xperia E4, or a solid mid-range like Nexus 5X and Motorola X Play, going into the premium-class range of top-devices like Xperia Z5, Galaxy S6, iPhone 6S, Nexus 6P, and many others
But I guess I'll get straight to the point:
What, in your opinion, were the Top-10 best mobile devices released througout 2015?
If you can't put them in a straight-up order - no fear, just list them here and we'll discuss it together
Aaaaaaand GO!
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
spirto82 said:
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
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I recommend you the One Plus 3
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I recommend you the One Plus 3
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Thanks. From what I've heard it's an amazing phone. But the question was not for me purchasing a phone, but whether nexus have an advantage (referringto the updates and the software in general) over the other phones.
To be honest, If I could afford buying it, I would consider doing so.
spirto82 said:
Thanks. From what I've heard it's an amazing phone. But the question was not for me purchasing a phone, but whether nexus have an advantage (referringto the updates and the software in general) over the other phones.
To be honest, If I could afford buying it, I would consider doing so.
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Nexus do support updates a long time. For example the 5x gets even android n. And even the support time is over you will get ports or roms that feature the newest android version because of the god source. Huawei supports their phones long too. I think we will get n.
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Nexus do support updates a long time. For example the 5x gets even android n. And even the support time is over you will get ports or roms that feature the newest android version because of the god source. Huawei supports their phones long too. I think we will get n.
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Also the Nexus 5 is getting Android N which is funny and also the Nexus 4 which is 4 years old is getting a dev made N update XD. And so you can see that devices even older than the 5x are getting support... welp. That answers the questions. But the Nexus device line screwed up after the Nexus 4 since they were at first cheaper and made accessible for a lot of people and then right after that their prices went up. Of course that is inevitable if you want to produce a top notch device early enough but if it were up to me I'd get a 5x and the lowest I can go is a 5 since those two are at a reasonable price and offer good support plus performance.
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spirto82 said:
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
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The Huawei P8 lite feels a bit behind because it was released just before all phones started getting fingerprint scanners and fHD screens. Also our design is plastic compared to most phones offering glass and metal at the same price.
So, we have some hours before the official pixels presentation. I had been thinking of changing huawei p8 lite with a nexus (most likely 5X - it's cheaper, although it has only 2 Gb of Ram).
I think it is a decent phone and could provide a high level of customization, besides the fact that is upgradable to android N. Since we are going to have 2 more in the google family, do you think that each of them, worth the cost of buying? From what I've heard/read it's not going to be cheap, or at least in affordable price, each of them. What do you think?
I have certainly gotten my money's worth out of this $60 Blu R1 HD phone but it has it's own share of annoying issues and we have probably reached the end of its updates.
So I was looking around for possible replacements and what I've seen that looks the most interesting so far is the Xiomi Mi A1. Why? Because it's an official Android One phone so it will get all the updates from google in a timely fashion. They recently had Oreo pushed out. http://www.mi.com/en/mi-a1/
There are many, many reviews on youtube. Also, a lot of people are buying them on amazon and liking them:
https://www.amazon.com/Xiaomi-Android-Cameras-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/B076HQ6FSY The price on amazon has been dropping and is currently down to about $225.
While I'm sure I could get it cheaper from China, buying from amazon has the advantage of making sure you get a model with the right bands and, of course, the easy return policy.
XDA has an active forum and the phone is easy to root and flash: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1
The other phone I considered was the LeEco LePro 3. Why? Because it's on the list of supported phones of LineageOS. It has better specs than the M1 A1, and sells for $190 on amazon. But the company overextended in the U.S. and it's not clear how long they will be producing this phone. It has a custom UI that most people don't like so it's only of interest because it's on the list of LineageOS supported phones.
If you have moved up from the Blu R1 HD, which phone did YOU choose?
I need to go back and look through the list of official Android One phones and see which are available in the U.S. and how much they cost.