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I've noticed a significant drop in battery life over the last few months corresponding directly to when I S-off'd my device. I've RUU'd, wiped, reformat, all of the usual stuff to make sure it's not crud apps, sync off, wifi scanning off, google now off, etc etc.
The reason I'm wondering about specifically S-off being the culprit is due to the clause HTC includes at the beginning of phone setup.. 'regardless of your 'contact htc' option, your device is considered a test device so it doesn't matter what you choose, your phone will always talk to HTC' (paraphrased). If the phone is capturing and updating various testing metrics to HTC it's never really sleeping and constantly keeping a data connection alive (even if very little data is sent).
I'm attaching a screenshot of what really 'broke the camels back' (or however it goes..). I'm not sure why wifi is shown as being on, it is most definitely turned off from the drop down panel.
Less than 5H of the phone being off the charger, less than 30M of screen on time.. something is keeping it alive and I have no idea what. This is a fresh install, I wiped the phone (w/ no restore) 3 days earlier. Amazon, Plex, Chromecast and Netflix installed. (amazon downloaded an album i had purchased, but that's it)
I've never had good battery life, but this is now in abysmal territory.
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I've noticed a significant drop in battery life over the last few months corresponding directly to when I S-off'd my device. I've RUU'd, wiped, reformat, all of the usual stuff to make sure it's not crud apps, sync off, wifi scanning off, google now off, etc etc.
The reason I'm wondering about specifically S-off being the culprit is due to the clause HTC includes at the beginning of phone setup.. 'regardless of your 'contact htc' option, your device is considered a test device so it doesn't matter what you choose, your phone will always talk to HTC' (paraphrased). If the phone is capturing and updating various testing metrics to HTC it's never really sleeping and constantly keeping a data connection alive (even if very little data is sent).
I'm attaching a screenshot of what really 'broke the camels back' (or however it goes..). I'm not sure why wifi is shown as being on, it is most definitely turned off from the drop down panel.
Less than 5H of the phone being off the charger, less than 30M of screen on time.. something is keeping it alive and I have no idea what. This is a fresh install, I wiped the phone (w/ no restore) 3 days earlier. Amazon, Plex, Chromecast and Netflix installed. (amazon downloaded an album i had purchased, but that's it)
I've never had good battery life, but this is now in abysmal territory.
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S-OFF won't affect battery afaik, because on my One I'm getting the same battery life as I did before I did S-OFF. Try using a wakelock detector to see what's affecting your battery. Also, try flashing a custom kernel (such as Kangaroo Kernel) and see if that improves battery life.
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^^^
Correct me if I'm wrong, but rooting, custom recoveries, S-off, changing pretty much anything that isn't the OS or the kernel will not affect the operation of the device. It will only ALLOW you to change it.
On a side note, you know what scares the living crap out of me? When I'm on a stock ROM and the Dialer asks for superuser. What the hell is up with that?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but rooting, custom recoveries, S-off, changing pretty much anything that isn't the OS or the kernel will not affect the operation of the device. It will only ALLOW you to change it.
On a side note, you know what scares the living crap out of me? When I'm on a stock ROM and the Dialer asks for superuser. What the hell is up with that?
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System apps in a stock ROM usually already have Super User permissions. When you root and install SuperSU all apps must ask for super user permissions again. There's a check box in the settings to auto allow them. Previously I don't think regular SuperUser made system apps get permission again.
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System apps in a stock ROM usually already have Super User permissions. When you root and install SuperSU all apps must ask for super user permissions again. There's a check box in the settings to auto allow them. Previously I don't think regular SuperUser made system apps get permission again.
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Yeah I should have googled it before posting lol . Thanks
I S-Off'd on 1.55 Modified and have not seen any change in battery life, it should not be depended on S-Off but rather the Rom and Configuration you are using.
I noticed my battery was draining pretty quickly. I started looking and android system was the culprit. I drilled down further and system_server was using a lot of cpu time. Is this something I can adjust?
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I feel like that process could be a multiple of things and not just one simple thing you can tune or turn off. Have you tried using an app like wakelock detector(root) or cpu spy to try and narrow down the issue to perhaps a certain app causing the issue? Try out greenify to hibernate certain apps if you find them.
Otherwise I found this in another this in another post if that doesn't help you out that you could try...but I'd take and find the culprit first and foremost:
"Developer options > Background process limit > At most 4 processes"
I have wakelock detector installed. I will put cpu spy on.
After digging deeper in wakelock detector I found 2 apps with over 400 wakelocks each. The next closest was only 70. Facebook and Facebook messenger. They have been greenified till I decide whether i am going to uninstall then
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Any way to dig into System_Server?
Good day folks. I've also noticed System_Server severely draining the battery on my Galaxy S5 (2-3% per hour, when it's normally .75%/hour). In the past few weeks, the top Kernel Wakelocks and "Process" wake time (reported by BBS) have been System_Server, Time_Daemon (which I can't find ANY info about), and WakelockManagerTimeout (likewise - no useful info, literally only SIX results on Google). I've also seen "IPC_###_Event0" every now and then, where ### is a Process ID. When I check the PID via Terminal (Cat /proc/*PID*/cmdline) the PID ends up belonging to "System_Server".
To make a Windows comparison, it looks like System_Server is "RunDLL32" or "SVCHost", wherein, numerous processes can "hook" into "System_Server" and are thus disguised behind that process name. Is there anyway to dig deeper into "System_Server" to find the ACTUAL process/service that is causing all these wakelocks? I've also tried GSam Battery Monitor (thanks to - this post) and WLD (Wake Lock Detector) but the most granular any of them get is just "System_Server". As far as I can tell, this did not start as of newly installed software, but it could certainly be due to an update to an existing program. Whatever the cause, though, I need to find out, because a dead phone is useless
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Good day folks. I've also noticed System_Server severely draining the battery on my Galaxy S5 (2-3% per hour, when it's normally .75%/hour). In the past few weeks, the top Kernel Wakelocks and "Process" wake time (reported by BBS) have been System_Server, Time_Daemon (which I can't find ANY info about), and WakelockManagerTimeout (likewise - no useful info, literally only SIX results on Google). I've also seen "IPC_###_Event0" every now and then, where ### is a Process ID. When I check the PID via Terminal (Cat /proc/*PID*/cmdline) the PID ends up belonging to "System_Server".
To make a Windows comparison, it looks like System_Server is "RunDLL32" or "SVCHost", wherein, numerous processes can "hook" into "System_Server" and are thus disguised behind that process name. Is there anyway to dig deeper into "System_Server" to find the ACTUAL process/service that is causing all these wakelocks? I've also tried GSam Battery Monitor (thanks to - this post) and WLD (Wake Lock Detector) but the most granular any of them get is just "System_Server". As far as I can tell, this did not start as of newly installed software, but it could certainly be due to an update to an existing program. Whatever the cause, though, I need to find out, because a dead phone is useless
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Hi, i now it is a long time ago but i have the same problem with cm13 now. You find the culprit?
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Hi, i now it is a long time ago but i have the same problem with cm13 now. You find the culprit?
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Good day Bauita - Unfortunately, I didn't find the culprit programmatically. What I noticed, though, was that the drain only occurred while I was at the office, and I also noticed that my phone was frequently bouncing between the actual cell network and a network extender (identified by this: http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-samsung-galaxy-s4/307371-little-house-icon.html). I checked around and discovered that our IT department had been testing an extender and left it running accidentally - once they turned it off, my phone stuck with the regular Verizon network and it's been fine since.
So... in your case, you may need to discover a way to look inside System_Server, unfortunately. Good luck and please post back if you do (my apologies for not coming back when I figured it out on my end).
I'm sorry for bumping a ~2 year old topic, but from my googling, this one is the only one that has come closest to nailing this system_server problem. Everywhere you look, people are having the same issues (at least on the surface) but we're all scratching our heads with no apparent way to glean any additional information.
My phone (HTC One M8) has been driving me up the wall with this issue. A few things that I've noticed or think may contribute:
- I live in an area of poor-to-no signal (although my phone performs just as poorly in conditions with good signal)
- I have a terrible Netgear router at home that has this manufacturing defect where the signal is exceptionally weak (but again, the problem persists elsewhere)
- The problem displays on and off, but if my phone has been on for more than a couple of days, it shows up more frequently.
- If I'm in a car (riding as passenger of course), I believe I've noticed my phone lagging more often if I leave the WiFi on and allow it to try and connect to open hotspots as they fly by.
The problem for me specifically shows as heavy lagging in display and input. Even pressing the power button, the screen may not turn off until whatever extremely important thing this is has finished. Interestingly, using my phone right now and listening to music, I've noticed that the music somehow keeps playing despite the lag, as if it's given priority even over input?
But I'd like to look at the internals a little deeper here. According to Systempanel, system_server is the lowest-level process running in the Android VM. My hope is that would make this easier to debug, however as it was pointed out earlier, the exact problem could still really be anything. I'll try to study up more on debugging and see if I can maybe crack this, and even make an app/library to aid other frustrated users.
So I didn't expect it to have the greatest battery life in the world. I'm coming from a Nexus 7 2013 edition (just wanted something cheap to carry around -- I'd be very upset if my Nexus 7 was dropped and broken or stolen in public whereas this $30 tablet won't exactly cause me to lose any sleep if it does, but I need to be able to read and otherwise pass breaktime at work) so I'm used to it lasting almost a week on a full charge since all I do is simple stuff like reading with a relatively low backlight even. I noticed my new Fire 7 is going down so much faster that it will surely be a problem (I guess 20-30% a day?) Now, of course, the Nexus 7 has a significantly larger battery. However, its ~5-7% compared to this thing's ~20-30% is not to scale. One big difference though is the Nexus 7 gets to run a clean LineageOS setup with a rooted Greenify (actually I have Xposed, but lately the module doesn't work without explanation. That's an issue for another time though.) The battery is purportedly a 2980mAh versus the 3950mAh in the Nexus 7, so at 75% the capacity I wouldn't expect it to get 1/4th the run time. I'm hoping Greenify can help. Unfortunately, Greenify is not working at all.
Firstly it seems you must manually grant a bunch of permissions for certain things. During initial setup it tells you to grant one and sends you to the settings, but it doesn't send you to whichever part of the settings it actually means for you to change. (I'm guessing something that isn't present on this thing's modified non-standard system settings app.) Now, they give you instructions on how to manually grant certain permissions via adb, but it doesn't mention that particular permission. It seems also that the accessibility service that it uses for hibernating isn't actually working because it pops up a message. However, that could be related to the more serious problem at hand: it doesn't work at all. When I press the hibernate button, it does nothing. Literally nothing. (Which makes me wonder if it's just saying that because of its failure when it tries to automatically hibernate.) Without root access obviously it is much more limited in what it can do, but it should still do something. The guide only has you grant DUMP, READ_LOGS, and WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS. These are intended for features like accurate app state detection rather than basic operation though. I have no idea what it wants on initial setup since it's not specific at all.
Actually, I think it's not actually granting the permissions at all in the first place. I manually grant those three via adb as it says and pm doesn't say anything back. Regardless, Greenify is unable to do anything at all -- it never hibernates any apps even when run manually. I'm not sure how effective it will be without root, but I'd still like to get it working if at all possible. Still, it officially supports rootless systems, so I don't really understand why it's unable to do anything at all. Even the most basic functionality should work at least (though if it only acts as a task killer it may do more harm than good. Hard to say since I can't even get it to do that much even.)
Any idea what I'm missing?
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So I didn't expect it to have the greatest battery life in the world. I'm coming from a Nexus 7 2013 edition (just wanted something cheap to carry around -- I'd be very upset if my Nexus 7 was dropped and broken or stolen in public whereas this $30 tablet won't exactly cause me to lose any sleep if it does, but I need to be able to read and otherwise pass breaktime at work) so I'm used to it lasting almost a week on a full charge since all I do is simple stuff like reading with a relatively low backlight even. I noticed my new Fire 7 is going down so much faster that it will surely be a problem (I guess 20-30% a day?) Now, of course, the Nexus 7 has a significantly larger battery. However, its ~5-7% compared to this thing's ~20-30% is not to scale. One big difference though is the Nexus 7 gets to run a clean LineageOS setup with a rooted Greenify (actually I have Xposed, but lately the module doesn't work without explanation. That's an issue for another time though.) The battery is purportedly a 2980mAh versus the 3950mAh in the Nexus 7, so at 75% the capacity I wouldn't expect it to get 1/4th the run time. I'm hoping Greenify can help. Unfortunately, Greenify is not working at all.
Firstly it seems you must manually grant a bunch of permissions for certain things. During initial setup it tells you to grant one and sends you to the settings, but it doesn't send you to whichever part of the settings it actually means for you to change. (I'm guessing something that isn't present on this thing's modified non-standard system settings app.) Now, they give you instructions on how to manually grant certain permissions via adb, but it doesn't mention that particular permission. It seems also that the accessibility service that it uses for hibernating isn't actually working because it pops up a message. However, that could be related to the more serious problem at hand: it doesn't work at all. When I press the hibernate button, it does nothing. Literally nothing. (Which makes me wonder if it's just saying that because of its failure when it tries to automatically hibernate.) Without root access obviously it is much more limited in what it can do, but it should still do something. The guide only has you grant DUMP, READ_LOGS, and WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS. These are intended for features like accurate app state detection rather than basic operation though. I have no idea what it wants on initial setup since it's not specific at all.
Actually, I think it's not actually granting the permissions at all in the first place. I manually grant those three via adb as it says and pm doesn't say anything back. Regardless, Greenify is unable to do anything at all -- it never hibernates any apps even when run manually. I'm not sure how effective it will be without root, but I'd still like to get it working if at all possible. Still, it officially supports rootless systems, so I don't really understand why it's unable to do anything at all. Even the most basic functionality should work at least (though if it only acts as a task killer it may do more harm than good. Hard to say since I can't even get it to do that much even.)
Any idea what I'm missing?
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in my experience, Greenify doesn't work too well with these tablets. If you are on 5.4.0.1 or later, I would try Brevent.
I'm on 5.4.0.0. Given how much more restrictive 5.4.0.1+ is I've removed the OTA update apps so it won't go up.
Nazo said:
I'm on 5.4.0.0. Given how much more restrictive 5.4.0.1+ is I've removed the OTA update apps so it won't go up.
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Just a note: on the 7 tablets, you can downgrade from 5.4.0.1 back to 5.4.0.0.
I know that. So?
It's been like half a month since I got the OnePlus 10 pro, it's been working flawlessly until just two days ago. Since then, even when I'm not using the phone and the screen is turned off, the phone is at 40-42°C constantly. I'm really worried because it has been working cool (well not as hot as now) even when using high demanding games, but now it even turns off the 120hz because of how hot it gets when just using chrome for example. Should I try and do something to fix it or directly send it to get the phone checked?
It might be obvious but the battery life has also gotten horribly worse than before, and it only cools down after completely turning the phone off.
What's running in the background?
A logging firewall may help find it. Cloud apps are always prime suspects.
Any new apps or updates in that period?
Possible malware. Try to find the root cause however if malware is suspected and can't be eliminated or if the root cause eludes you, factory reset.
It may be a hardware failure but more than likely it's software issue. If it persists right after factory reset it's either firmware or hardware; send it in at that point.
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What's running in the background?
A logging firewall may help find it. Cloud apps are always prime suspects.
Any new apps or updates in that period?
Possible malware. Try to find the root cause however if malware is suspected and can't be eliminated or if the root cause eludes you, factory reset.
It may be a hardware failure but more than likely it's software issue. If it persists right after factory reset it's either firmware or hardware; send it in at that point.
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Might be the Pokemon infinite fusion zip i downloaded because it all started after i downloaded that file. I deleted it but the problem still happened. Right now temperature is back down but I'll try and do what you said. If the problem still persists Ill probably factory reset, but right now for some reason it's better, battery is still acting weird but ye
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Might be the Pokemon infinite fusion zip i downloaded because it all started after i downloaded that file. I deleted it but the problem still happened. Right now temperature is back down but I'll try and do what you said. If the problem still persists Ill probably factory reset, but right now for some reason it's better, battery is still acting weird but ye
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It may have contained malware, downloaded it as an update or acted as a trojan preloader.
It may not have contained any malware or imported any but could have altered hidden user settings that didn't revert back after uninstalled; just a poorly coded app.
If device isn't behaving normally and you can't find the cause, nuke it... factory reset. Start with a clean load and then be careful what you install and download.
I try not to sample apps as while rare they can damage the load. Just because it comes from Playstore doesn't mean it's safe or vetted. Playstore continues to fail in this regard. A clean Android load can last years with minimal maintenance provided you don't upgrade/update the firmware. Updating apps is generally a bad plan as well. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load will be 3 yo in June. It runs like a bat out of hell and security is not an issue.
Whenever side loading always use online Virustotal to scan it first. If there's any doubt from the results, don't install it. Not worth the risk or the time consuming trouble it can cause.
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It may have contained malware, downloaded it as an update or acted as a trojan preloader.
It may not have contained any malware or imported any but could have altered hidden user settings that didn't revert back after uninstalled; just a poorly coded app.
If device isn't behaving normally and you can't find the cause, nuke it... factory reset. Start with a clean load and then be careful what you install and download.
I try not to sample apps as while rare they can damage the load. Just because it comes from Playstore doesn't mean it's safe or vetted. Playstore continues to fail in this regard. A clean Android load can last years with minimal maintenance provided you don't upgrade/update the firmware. Updating apps is generally a bad plan as well. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load will be 3 yo in June. It runs like a bat out of hell and security is not an issue.
Whenever side loading always use online Virustotal to scan it first. If there's any doubt from the results, don't install it. Not worth the risk or the time consuming trouble it can cause.
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I later downloaded the same zip in the PC because it's actually a PC game and it did say something about malware, so I'll probably factory reset the phone. I have had a OnePlus 8 pro for almost three years and still works like a charm. It has Evolution X flashed but still, that's why I'm trying to take more care of my 10 pro, since i kind of destroyed the battery of the op8pro (due to playing while charging and leaving it charging all night for a few months probably), but then this happened so i got pretty worried. Thanks for the help and the tips ^^
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I later downloaded the same zip in the PC because it's actually a PC game and it did say something about malware, so I'll probably factory reset the phone. I have had a OnePlus 8 pro for almost three years and still works like a charm. It has Evolution X flashed but still, that's why I'm trying to take more care of my 10 pro, since i kind of destroyed the battery of the op8pro (due to playing while charging and leaving it charging all night for a few months probably), but then this happened so i got pretty worried. Thanks for the help and the tips ^^
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You're welcome.
Android and Windows aren't normally effected by the same viruses etc as the malware can't cross platform.
On heavily used devices the battery lasts about 2 years. Simply get it replaced.
I bought a Samsung S23+ a week ago. I'm really like it. It's a significant improvement over my old S10.
However, sometimes when I open an app, it immediately closes. It just goes away. No error message, it just disappears. However, tapping on it again brings it up. It isn't consistent which app suddenly closes; it just does. And sometimes it's a major feature of Android, such as Messages. A few times I've tapped on Messages, it starts to come up, then closes immediately. But why does it do that? Is there anything I can do to stop it?
You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.
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You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.
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I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?
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I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?
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I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.
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I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.
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Exactly.
Which apps are acting up?
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Which apps are acting up?
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Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.
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Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.
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Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.
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Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.
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While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.
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While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.
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They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.
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They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.
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Gave a shot at updating the firmware; it boosted the performance a little bit, the battery is lasting way longer and the apps are closing less.
I ran a bugreport of a full day of use through battery historian and i found something strange, all app crashes are attributed to com.google.android.providers.media.module (which a quick google told me it's the MediaProvider Module from AOSP). Is there something i can do about it?
idk about power management but i have adaptive battery on, and i put discord to sleep; disabled google, meets and chrome; no settings changed; no firewall installed; all accessivility settings are off and no apps are using those permissions. I ****ed around a lil bit and toggled some of the samsung stuff off, but there might still be something buried, yes.
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Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
com.google.android.providers.media.module, interesting. Apparently it's caused trouble going back to 2011 from time to time. It's a needed service. Go through all the Google account settings. It's good to explore all setting options anyway. Maybe try clearing the Media Storage app cache and check the settings.
I'm more clueless than you why this happening.
Maybe someone here knows why it's puking on you. Otherwise play with it, eventually you'll track the cause down but it may take a while.
If you're in the US you could go to a Samsung Experience center at best buy; they allegedly can run advanced diagnostic tests on it.
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Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
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All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
blackhawk said:
Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
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While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?
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All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?
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WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.
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WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.
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Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.
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You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."
@Rod F
OneUI has a bug. I used to see app crashing pop-ups quite frequently during the initial period on my S22U. The same build and version of apps ran absolutely fine on my other devices, which too were running on the same Android version as my S22U.
Over time, due to optimisations and updates from Samsung, the number of such pop-ups have reduced to almost none now.
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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."
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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.
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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.
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GDPR happened because someone raised the issue and created awareness. Although it is only a first step, but that too wouldn't have happened if he had just decided to get the Nokia 3310.
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Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.
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You failed to counterpoint my specific suggestions with your off topic retorts. You got possible solutions for the OP or just hot air for me?