i send a raw dng to lightroom and only the very center part of the image is properly exposed ?
I saw this in several other examples of 40mp shots. Seems inevitable with that many pixels in such a small sensor, likely can be remedied to a reasonable extent in Lightroom or similar. I don't know what people are expecting from 40mp shots here, it's obvious they'll be significantly compromised?
Raw is raw, so no preprocessing to remove the vignetting has been done. Create a lens profile in your favourite Raw converter or wait untill someone else did that job.
The raw benefits are there to reap, THANKS Huawei.
Ender
This was shot in 10mp mode (or is raw always 40mp ?)
I've locate other raws on the net that has the same effect.
at http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/huawei_p20_pro_review/sample_images/
It's not only that everything becomes darker at the edges, there is also a blue/green color cast.
This would make shooting in raw a real nightmare ?
enderffx said:
Raw is raw, so no preprocessing to remove the vignetting has been done. Create a lens profile in your favourite Raw converter or wait untill someone else did that job.
The raw benefits are there to reap, THANKS Huawei.
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Ok thanks for the reply , i understand that raw is supposed to be unprocessed sensor data , but i never considered that the exposure changes from center to edge of lense would be that bad.
I still hope that it has something to do with the multiple lenses , and maybe the data from one of the lenses is not properly processed in raw.
I had some similar trouble with the super ccd Fujifilm S3 Pro.
Hi,
no, itj just vignetting, something existing even on $10k lenses, just not as obvious.
Its all good & perfect, if you cannot create a lens profile for yourself, try Automatic or wait until someone in-the-know did so.
Ender
Vignetting is strong, but the biggest problem is the severe green tint around the centre and the purple tint in the middle of the image, it takes additional steps to fix this. Fixing vignetting is pretty easy, however, you will just increase the noise.
The problem is the small lens. You have to cover bigger sensor and you need bigger elements for that. Also, the lens is of pretty bad quality, quite soft, especially when you are not looking in the centre of the image.
I hope people understand what it actually mean to shoot in RAW :silly:
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I hope people understand what it actually mean to shoot in RAW :silly:
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Yes i know what raw file's are.
And you can only spot these lens imperfections using the raw file , since they are corrected away in the the processed jpg files.
Hence the title of the topic.
The P20 pro is the first time i'm peeking at raw files on such a tiny sensor/lens device. My other lenses are a bit more uniform across the image, so that surprised me a bit.
Makes me appreciate the auto jpg's on this phone a bit more, they already do a lot of work.
So far i am really in love with the night shot and silky water modes.
bk227865 said:
Yes i know what raw file's are.
And you can only spot these lens imperfections using the raw file , since they are corrected away in the the processed jpg files.
Hence the title of the topic.
The P20 pro is the first time i'm peeking at raw files on such a tiny sensor/lens device. My other lenses are a bit more uniform across the image, so that surprised me a bit.
Makes me appreciate the auto jpg's on this phone a bit more, they already do a lot of work.
So far i am really in love with the night shot and silky water modes.
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If we are into technical specification, its due to the larger sensor used in P20 Pro, its harder to provide even light/brightness when sensor size used is larger. Corner will have less brightness and sharpness.
Its like trying to cover a square piece of paper area using a bottom of our drinking glass. It will always left corner area uncovered.
This is also happening to most of Full Frame DSLR and Mirrorless professional camera.
We need a bigger (much bigger) honestly to technically fix this flaw. But that will come in cost of portability. And even by then, we still need to think about the light trajectory, because if there are to many light fall outside if sensor area, that would also cost us the image quality
Thats why company choose to use software solution to overcome this. And that what we see in 10MP mode, where the result already processed by the imaging engine. Removing vignette and adding sharpness. Aside from color toning of course.
For me, 40MP and RAW mode is to be used when i know that i gonna use the image professionally and gonna need to tweak it myself later using lightroom or photoshop. (Or even snapseed if am on high mobility)
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For me, 40MP and RAW mode is to be used when i know that i gonna use the image professionally and gonna need to tweak it myself later using lightroom or photoshop. (Or even snapseed if am on high mobility)
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I read something about a quad bayer sensor beeing used.
Is there any benifit in shooting at 10MP in relation to dynamic range ?
I other words is there more going on then just averaging pixels when 10MP mode is used ?
Like documented in the the sony IMX294CJK sensor ?
It uses a Quad Bayer structure, and outputs data binned in 2 × 2 pixel units in normal mode. In HDR mode, integration can be divided into long-time integration and short-time integration for each 2 pixels in the Quad array. In this case there is no time difference between long-time integration and short-time integration, which realizes HDR with little blending offset when imaging moving subjects "
Hi,
Look at this post where we can see the same issue with dng files for the LG G4 (until LG fixed it with the Marshmallow software update).
What's happening here is that there is no flat field correction embedded in the P20 pro dng file; when opening the dng in Lightroom for example, it's going to have strong vignetting and color cast in the corners.
I currently have a Mate 10 Pro and the issue with dng files is the same (I had to build my own profile). However I also had a P9 where the dng files were fine, so it doesn't look like that providing a DNG with flat field correction is now a priority for Huawei. We are very few users shooting RAW and complaining about this, which may explain this.
I have ordered a P20 Pro Twilight and should receive it hopefully at the end of next week (knowing that the estimated delivery date was delayed muliple times...).
I will create a correction profile and share it here.
If you want to create your own, here is a good link (navigate throught the website and follow the instructions): https://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/home
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Hi,
Look at this post where we can see the same issue with dng files for the LG G4 (until LG fixed it with the Marshmallow software update).
What's happening here is that there is no flat field correction embedded in the P20 pro dng file; when opening the dng in Lightroom for example, it's going to have strong vignetting and color cast in the corners.
I currently have a Mate 10 Pro and the issue with dng files is the same (I had to build my own profile). However I also had a P9 where the dng files were fine, so it doesn't look like that providing a DNG with flat field correction is now a priority for Huawei. We are very few users shooting RAW and complaining about this, which may explain this.
I have ordered a P20 Pro Twilight and should receive it hopefully at the end of next week (knowing that the estimated delivery date was delayed muliple times...).
I will create a correction profile and share it here.
If you want to create your own, here is a good link (navigate throught the website and follow the instructions): https://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/home
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Can u then please share with me that lens profile ? I am unable to get it right on my p20 Pro
I don't have the phone yet, but sure I will do it afterwards (hopefully by the end of the month).
I received the phone today and using my previous methodology of profile creation, I don't get satisfying results. I guess I will stick with JPEG for the moment, hoping that Huawei will fix the dng profile like LG did with the G4.
Dont worry OP, your phone is not faulty ..
Even though SONY Xperias dont support RAW, thay are a little like this too.. at the 19 or 23mpx setting... you do get a certain amount of barrel distortion towards the edges of the image.. It may be that Huawei look at this and try to do something, but it is normal at 40mpx.
One of the things I do to help this in my Street/Candid Photography with my Canon.. is try to keep your subject in the centre and as big as you can.. what goes on at the edges of your image is often just waste anyway.. also Use Tap to focus (Tap on your subject on the screen), by doing this, you set the cameras light metre to Centre Weighted, therefore setting optimal light settings, which prevents your subject being "blown out" or poorly lit in the image.. With Tiny camera sensors try to drop your horizon, so you avoid placing your subject against a bright sky or background, unless your using "Fill in" flash on the main area..
Dont forget, this phone is less than 6 weeks old and other than the NOKIA 1020, this type of Imaging sensor hasnt been done before, so Huawei/Leica might tweak the camera sensor with updates if the barrelling is that bad.. but until then.. stick with jpg if you can..
Hope that helps
Make your own correction profile in your processing software.
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Hi,
Look at this post where we can see the same issue with dng files for the LG G4 (until LG fixed it with the Marshmallow software update).
What's happening here is that there is no flat field correction embedded in the P20 pro dng file; when opening the dng in Lightroom for example, it's going to have strong vignetting and color cast in the corners.
I currently have a Mate 10 Pro and the issue with dng files is the same (I had to build my own profile). However I also had a P9 where the dng files were fine, so it doesn't look like that providing a DNG with flat field correction is now a priority for Huawei. We are very few users shooting RAW and complaining about this, which may explain this.
I have ordered a P20 Pro Twilight and should receive it hopefully at the end of next week (knowing that the estimated delivery date was delayed muliple times...).
I will create a correction profile and share it here.
If you want to create your own, here is a good link (navigate throught the website and follow the instructions): https://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/home
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I finally managed to create a profile that provides satisfactory results. You can download it here.
The instructions are the same than the ones provided in this post. The only difference is that under "Image Correction Options", I set up the Luminance value to 1 and Chroma value to 1.
vincent2167 said:
I finally managed to create a profile that provides satisfactory results. You can download it here.
The instructions are the same than the ones provided in this post. The only difference is that under "Image Correction Options", I set up the Luminance value to 1 and Chroma value to 1.
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Thank you so much, this works wonderfully!!! :good: The RAW files look great now and are so much easier to edit in Lightroom! That color cast was truly a nightmare!!!
Is there such a tool for Android? Or do we have to wait if Huawei will somehow correct their RAW with an update?
This is a GREAT topic!
Learned a lot.
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I need to be able to control the contrast and brightness of the images I take with the moto x camera. Sharpness would also be handy. The lack of controls on the built-in camera app is pretty appalling, very crude compared to the 3 year old HTC Incredible I have been using with it's native app. What has surprised me is that none of the apps I have downloaded to try will allow control of both contrast and brightness either, not to mention sharpness. Can someone enlighten as to why this is? Is normal access to the lower level sensor data not available for some reason? I don't get it. I am knowledgeable about digital image processing, but not that much about the needed android access to the sensor and the specifics for the moto x. Even the apps that advertised these adjustments for android phones did not offer controls for these functions on the moto X. If I have missed the obvious fix, I apologize and please point me in the right direction.
Thanks -
This could be the next moto cam.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427015
aviwdoowks said:
This could be the next moto cam.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427015
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I like the moto x camera the way it is picture quality and recording could be a little better but I don't want that lenovo crap.
Sent from my XT1058 using xda premium
Couldn't get Lenovo camera app to work. Downloaded the apk and tried installing both from adb window, and directly on my phone, and also downloaded the zip file and used my recovery to install that. IN all cases, "Unfortunately, Lenovo SNAPit and SEEit has stopped." is the result.
As far as the native app goes, I use my phone to take pictures of blackboards and white boards all the time, and need to be able to adjust the bias and gain of the sensor basically, commonly called brightness and contrast. The lenovo app doesn't seem to work on Moto X. Any other recommendations? Or has anyone else successfully used it on the moto x?
I've been successful in controlling "brightness" simply by manually controlling the focus and exposure.
nhizzat said:
I've been successful in controlling "brightness" simply by manually controlling the focus and exposure.
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yes, it works reasonably for that, but on a blackboard that has chalk over a previously erased board, without great lighting, it really helps to have contrast control as well. It's not that hard to do, and between brightness and contrast controls it's pretty easy to get a good exposure. I'm really surprised there is nothing out there to do that, and it makes me think that there is something about the moto x that underlying it all. Thus my post. That would explain why those controls on apps that advertise them are missing when loaded onto the moto x.
Mine too!! I only last used it on 422 a week ago!!
Sorry. Great cam.
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yes, it works reasonably for that, but on a blackboard that has chalk over a previously erased board, without great lighting, it really helps to have contrast control as well. It's not that hard to do, and between brightness and contrast controls it's pretty easy to get a good exposure. I'm really surprised there is nothing out there to do that, and it makes me think that there is something about the moto x that underlying it all. Thus my post. That would explain why those controls on apps that advertise them are missing when loaded onto the moto x.
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Brightness/Contrast are adjusted after the shot, not before. This is easily done with any photo editor app.
What you're looking for is exposure compensation & ISO settings.....both of which are available on all of the 3rd party cameras I've downloaded. I like the Moto Camera because of the twist-to-launch gesture....but the camera is severely lacking in options. I keep the app Focal on my phone as well when I need to compose a specific shot.....but if I really wanna tinker I'll just forget crappy cell-phone cameras & pull out the DSLR.
Arak-Nafein said:
Brightness/Contrast are adjusted after the shot, not before. This is easily done with any photo editor app.
What you're looking for is exposure compensation & ISO settings.....both of which are available on all of the 3rd party cameras I've downloaded. I like the Moto Camera because of the twist-to-launch gesture....but the camera is severely lacking in options. I keep the app Focal on my phone as well when I need to compose a specific shot.....but if I really wanna tinker I'll just forget crappy cell-phone cameras & pull out the DSLR.
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Actually I'm trying to avoid the extra step of post processing the photos in my computer. My old HTC Incredible had controls for brightness, contrast, and sharpening, and it was handy to just set it for the lighting conditions and be done. Doesn't seem like that much to ask for, since it was part of the default controls years ago. Simple image processing transformations and look-up table manipulation.
dmm108 said:
Actually I'm trying to avoid the extra step of post processing the photos in my computer. My old HTC Incredible had controls for brightness, contrast, and sharpening, and it was handy to just set it for the lighting conditions and be done. Doesn't seem like that much to ask for, since it was part of the default controls years ago. Simple image processing transformations and look-up table manipulation.
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Well, that was probably some HTC software that gave you those settings. BTW most gallery apps have the ability to do minor editing like adjusting brightness & contrast.
What I'm trying to tell you is that you're looking for the wrong words. Look for ISO & exposure compensation instead. Contrast isn't simply "adjusted" in a camera....it depends on your lighting & exposure....so any "contrast" setting you were adjusting on the HTC was basically a filter. Same for "brightness".
If you want to make your photo brighter, set your ISO higher or up your exposure compensation....both settings easily adjusted on 3rd party camera apps. I can't say that I've ever used a camera app with "brightness" and "contrast" settings before taking a picture. Those are always adjusted after-the-fact.
^^^ this
Arak-Nafein said:
Well, that was probably some HTC software that gave you those settings. BTW most gallery apps have the ability to do minor editing like adjusting brightness & contrast.
What I'm trying to tell you is that you're looking for the wrong words. Look for ISO & exposure compensation instead. Contrast isn't simply "adjusted" in a camera....it depends on your lighting & exposure....so any "contrast" setting you were adjusting on the HTC was basically a filter. Same for "brightness".
If you want to make your photo brighter, set your ISO higher or up your exposure compensation....both settings easily adjusted on 3rd party camera apps. I can't say that I've ever used a camera app with "brightness" and "contrast" settings before taking a picture. Those are always adjusted after-the-fact.
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"They are always adjusted afterwards" specifically because you never had a camera where that adjustment was possible before taking the picture, and you never had the need for it. So of course they were always adjusted afterwards.
I'm not using the wrong words. I simply want my camera app to give me control over contrast, and sharpness if possible. I never said I couldn't control brightness, and I understand what ISO and exposure controls do. I am a computer engineer with many years of experience in digital imaging. I know of what I speak, but more to the point, I know of what I want. If you can point me to an app that does that, great. Otherwise we can just agree to disagree about what you and I think I need. . If you can give me insight on a low level as to moto x's access to sensor data that might explain why camera apps that have this functionality on other platforms don't on the moto x, which would inform me writing my own controls, that would be even better.
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"They are always adjusted afterwards" specifically because you never had a camera where that adjustment was possible before taking the picture, and you never had the need for it. So of course they were always adjusted afterwards.
I'm not using the wrong words. I simply want my camera app to give me control over contrast, and sharpness if possible. I never said I couldn't control brightness, and I understand what ISO and exposure controls do. I am a computer engineer with many years of experience in digital imaging. I know of what I speak, but more to the point, I know of what I want. If you can point me to an app that does that, great. Otherwise we can just agree to disagree about what you and I think I need. . If you can give me insight on a low level as to moto x's access to sensor data that might explain why camera apps that have this functionality on other platforms don't on the moto x, which would inform me writing my own controls, that would be even better.
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I came off as condescending, my apologies.
I dunno man, the only thing I can think of even close to what you're talking about is maybe Paper camera? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dama.papercamera
I know it's silly, but you mentioned chalkboards & perhaps one of the silly filters will allow you to capture what you need? There's a brightness & contrast slider, it's all realtime adjustments.
Beyond that, I do not know. Good luck on your search! If you find something let us know because I'm interested to see how this pans out!
Arak-Nafein said:
I came off as condescending, my apologies.
I dunno man, the only thing I can think of even close to what you're talking about is maybe Paper camera? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dama.papercamera
I know it's silly, but you mentioned chalkboards & perhaps one of the silly filters will allow you to capture what you need? There's a brightness & contrast slider, it's all realtime adjustments.
Beyond that, I do not know. Good luck on your search! If you find something let us know because I'm interested to see how this pans out!
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no apology needed, I appreciate the exchange - and if I find something pertinent, either an app, or some information about moto x specific barrier I'll pass it on.
dmm108 said:
no apology needed, I appreciate the exchange - and if I find something pertinent, either an app, or some information about moto x specific barrier I'll pass it on.
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Are you using ART? I am and the fv-5 is not compatible.
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Are you using ART? I am and the fv-5 is not compatible.
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FV-5 did have contrast, brightness and sharpness control on one screen, but initially I had much trouble with it on the Moto-X. Basically I could not find a way to get solid confirmation of how many pictures I actually took. Sometimes I'd think I took several to find out I had one or two, and sometimes I had multiples. I did email the deveoper. I downloaded it again after your post, and it seems to be working as designed now. I wish the contrast/sharpness menu was not so buried in the menu tree and that I could choose it to be one of the on screen icons.
I'm not familiar with ART, so maybe you could explain that to me.
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FV-5 did have contrast, brightness and sharpness control on one screen, but initially I had much trouble with it on the Moto-X. Basically I could not find a way to get solid confirmation of how many pictures I actually took. Sometimes I'd think I took several to find out I had one or two, and sometimes I had multiples. I did email the deveoper. I downloaded it again after your post, and it seems to be working as designed now. I wish the contrast/sharpness menu was not so buried in the menu tree and that I could choose it to be one of the on screen icons.
I'm not familiar with ART, so maybe you could explain that to me.
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I just posted about it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51782126#post51782126
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589530
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So you must be on dalvik.
aviwdoowks said:
I just posted about it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51782126#post51782126
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589530
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So you must be on dalvik.
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I have been, so I just turned on ART, and I'll let you know after a while the effects, but I'll switch over to your above thread so we can maintain the topic of this one.
It's really good to hear the Z3 models will get Android 5.0 sometime in the beginning of next year. As you might have read, Android 5.0 supports RAW image capture (in the API).
What I'm trying to figure out is if the Z3 will be able to utilize the RAW image capture functionality in the new Android.
I have written an "app" that prints all the possible camera settings to screen, and unfortunately there is no setting mentioning RAW. The only valid picture setting is 'jpeg'.
Maybe this will change in a future version? Or will A5 take RAW regardless of the capabilities in the camera settings?
Thanks!
Very inyereting . can't wait to see how this unveils
This article should answer the question: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
Doesn't this effectively mean that Lollipop (and new camera apps, utilizing Lollipops camera API) will solve most of the issues caused by unlocking the bootloader?
If third-party apps can access RAW from the camera, quality on par with, or even beyond, the stock camera-app on locked phones should be able to achieve.
I mean, degraded camera performance seems to be the most discussed problem with loosing the DRM keys. I for one wouldn't mind loosing Miracast and Sony services.
Yes and no. Third party software could do better in theory, but the sensor output still stays the same. Software can't perform miracles. And Sony's software already is quite advanced (whatever causes automatic mode to fail so badly is beyond me).
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What I'm trying to figure out is if the Z3 will be able to utilize the RAW image capture functionality in the new Android.
I have written an "app" that prints all the possible camera settings to screen, and unfortunately there is no setting mentioning RAW. The only valid picture setting is 'jpeg'.
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RAW isn't a sensor setting, it is a data encoding. The only "mandatory" difference between shooting "RAW" and "JPEG" in Android L is the binary format of the data you get back. RAW makes it possible to return *lots* of information about what's coming off the sensor, but it doesn't mandate it. For example, if Sony's proprietary software is using the white channel in the Exmor RS to get low-light performance (and no one knows for sure if it is), there's no guarantee they'll choose to include that in the RAW file. They could discard the W data (since only Sony's software really understands what to do with it) and give you back just the RGB.
Now, the ability to get back uncompressed (or losslessly compressed) data means 3rd party image post processing can do a better job with less artifacts. And the ability to request burst captures opens up the possibility of temporal noise reduction techniques. But we're probably a year or more away from having stable apps doing really interesting things with the new APIs.
Bottom line, if you must have root and camera quality is really important to you, do not buy a Z3C just on the "hope" that Android L will provide an adequate work-around.
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This article should answer the question: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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Thanks for the informative article!
I have a slightly better image (!) of what is going on with the new API now. Although, it still leaves me uncertain about the RAW mode in the Z3. Quoting from the article:
"in effect it’s now possible to control shutter speed, ISO, focus, flash, white balance manually, along with options to control exposure level bias, exposure metering algorithms, and also select the capture format. This means that the images can be output as JPEG, YUV, RAW/DNG, or any other format that is supported."
Seeing as there is nothing in the current camera preferences indicating that RAW capture is allowed/supported, I guess we just have to wait and see.
Assuming though we will get RAW support, there will be quite some development work to get a decent noise free image, in phone, just working straight from the Bayer pattern! But if that is the only way to circumvent the sony processing algorithms, then so be it!
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RAW isn't a sensor setting, it is a data encoding. The only "mandatory" difference between shooting "RAW" and "JPEG" in Android L is the binary format of the data you get back. RAW makes it possible to return *lots* of information about what's coming off the sensor, but it doesn't mandate it. For example, if Sony's proprietary software is using the white channel in the Exmor RS to get low-light performance (and no one knows for sure if it is), there's no guarantee they'll choose to include that in the RAW file. They could discard the W data (since only Sony's software really understands what to do with it) and give you back just the RGB.
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Thanks for the info, although I do know what RAW is What I was trying to point out is that there is nothing in the current camera parameters (in the API) indicating that we are allowed to ask for a RAW image, when taking a photo. So even if Android 5 supports RAW requests, I think the sony camera driver may still refuse to deliver one to us.
But what confuses me is that in Android 4 Camera API, you are also allowed to ask for a RAW image (not meaning you are guaranteed to get one), so in this respect I don't know what the difference is to Android 5.
radicans said:
But what confuses me is that in Android 4 Camera API, you are also allowed to ask for a RAW image (not meaning you are guaranteed to get one), so in this respect I don't know what the difference is to Android 5.
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You can get a raw image with m8 or G2 or any other devices that permits it See this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753946
As for further manual controls all are avialable except raw on the hybrid samsung zoom devices. There was no need for L there i don't know why vendors do not implement it more with their current flagship models.
Hello there everybody,
I recently purchased a brand new Huawei P8 Lite 2017 (also known as P9 lite 2017, Honor 8 lite etc. in some countries) and I was really happy to get one at almost 140$. I also bought it since everyone on the net was praising the excellent camera for this phone range. I was super-happy when I also stated that it was supporting camera2api; which means I can take RAW/DNG photos with the stock camera app or other proper applications.
Unfortunately, something was wrong: even if the phone can actually take RAW photos with apps such like OpenCamera and stuff, the result is not what I (and probably everybody else) was expecting. The files are kind of missing a color channel (red one, I think), which makes the photos almost useless, since the saturation is messed up and I can't even fix it with heavy Lightroom editing. I just don't understand why it behaves like that. Am I missing anything?
Or does a hidden RAW enable feature exist like in the P9 lite and must it be unlocked by file editing ?(https://www.xda-developers.com/guide-enables-raw-capture-in-the-stock-huawei-p9-lite-camera).
Is there a custom ROM that can actually implement this feature or will it ever be one?
Thanks for the answers.
Did you solve this? I have the same problem probably. From what I could gather the red and blue channels come out swapped. So I just made a preset in photoshop using the channel mixer. Even so the images still have to be heavily adjusted, retouched around the center and they're softer around the edges.
I didn't see many people complaining online and your thread has no answers, so I though to maybe leave this information here. It's weird that the stock camera app works well, but I'm still in warranty so lets see what huawei can do about this.
Hi guys,
on my trip to Ireland I missed a nice feature of my old Huawei P10 where I can set a mode for long exposure photography at daylight to make water look smooth (for example). Huawei made an extra mode for this including light burst and other nice features.
On the S10 I'm missing such a thing.
With the pro mode I can set the exposure time but the photos are getting way to bright.
Does someone know how to make such long exposure pictures with the S10?
Greetings,
Jannomag
@Jannomag
What you're trying to accomplish will require 'Pro' mode.
Click on the 'Galaxy S10+ - F-Stop & Exposure.jpg' screenshot I attached.
That should allow for longer exposure; anywhere from 1/24000 to 10 seconds.
The second screenshot, Galaxy S10+ - ISO.jpg, should assist if you're looking to introduce more/less light.
I don't find the Galaxy phones great for manual photography but, using the two settings together, you'll eventually find the right balance for you.
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@Jannomag
What you're trying to accomplish will require 'Pro' mode.
Click on the 'Galaxy S10+ - F-Stop & Exposure.jpg' screenshot I attached.
That should allow for longer exposure; anywhere from 1/24000 to 10 seconds.
The second screenshot, Galaxy S10+ - ISO.jpg, should assist if you're looking to introduce more/less light.
I don't find the Galaxy phones great for manual photography but, using the two settings together, you'll eventually find the right balance for you.
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As I mentioned it above, the photos are getting overexposed. See the example I attached. I used f1.5 with 1/4 exposure.
As an example I also attached a picture made with my wife's Huawei P20 and it's silk water mode.
Jannomag said:
As I mentioned it above, the photos are getting overexposed. See the example I attached. I used f1.5 with 1/4 exposure.
As an example I also attached a picture made with my wife's Huawei P20 and it's silk water mode.
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I'm giving to provide some insight and kindly step away from this discussion.
Every hardware vendor approaches digital imaging differently. Meaning just because Huawei achieves one effect; doesn't necessarily mean Samsung isn't able to and vice-versa.
To the best of my knowledge, Samsung doesn't have a 'silky water mode' but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
For example, here is a reference image taken from a Galaxy S8 (a device from 2 years ago):
https://i.redd.it/gmmnsuguop311.png
The user in question, kiosk123, used the Samsung camera app and manually set his ISO to 50 with a 2 second exposure.
With a tripod and a similar setting, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do the same.
Here's a simple tutorial if you require more explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpBwaB7I4EM
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I'm giving to provide some insight and kindly step away from this discussion.
Every hardware vendor approaches digital imaging differently. Meaning just because Huawei achieves one effect; doesn't necessarily mean Samsung isn't able to and vice-versa.
To the best of my knowledge, Samsung doesn't have a 'silky water mode' but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
For example, here is a reference image taken from a Galaxy S8 (a device from 2 years ago):
https://i.redd.it/gmmnsuguop311.png
The user in question, kiosk123, used the Samsung camera app and manually set his ISO to 50 with a 2 second exposure.
With a tripod and a similar setting, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do the same.
Here's a simple tutorial if you require more explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpBwaB7I4EM
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On night time or low light it's possible but on daylight, the photos are getting too bright. (Look at my Attachment, where I used ISO 50 and 1/4s shutter speed with f/1.5).
I think Huawei doesn't use the shutter speed for this effect. Instead they're using a series of pictures and merge them.
An app which does this would be also great, but I couldn't find any.
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On night time or low light it's possible but on daylight, the photos are getting too bright. (Look at my Attachment, where I used ISO 50 and 1/4s shutter speed with f/1.5).
I think Huawei doesn't use the shutter speed for this effect. Instead they're using a series of pictures and merge them.
An app which does this would be also great, but I couldn't find any.
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Did you try editing the picture after actual shot ? Shoot in Raw and edit using Photoshop for android or snapseed.
Manual Exposure control helps but is disbaled when using manual shutter speed after 1/10 and I dont think we can capture the effect you need
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Did you try editing the picture after actual shot ? Shoot in Raw and edit using Photoshop for android or snapseed.
Manual Exposure control helps but is disbaled when using manual shutter speed after 1/10 and I dont think we can capture the effect you need
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I tried to edit it, yes. But it's way too bright.
I'll try to shoot many pictures in burst mode and combine them manually on PC. It's a handy work but it should work
Jannomag said:
I tried to edit it, yes. But it's way too bright.
I'll try to shoot many pictures in burst mode and combine them manually on PC. It's a handy work but it should work
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Have you tried using f2.4? Maybe it can help bringing the exposure down a little bit. Also, make sure to shoot RAW and later dial down the exposure all you can in Lightroom.
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Have you tried using f2.4? Maybe it can help bringing the exposure down a little bit. Also, make sure to shoot RAW and later dial down the exposure all you can in Lightroom.
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With f2.4 it's even e bit brighter. Also with RAW it's too bright to get back every part of the image. Some parts are completely white.
It's sad that there's no different app or that Samsung doesn't support those nice features. I used them often on my holiday trips. Also the light trail feature is quiet nice because sometimes the picture gets also too bright when shooting in cities with near street lamps.
nvm...I have to deal with it, it's sad for a 800€ phone but everything else is good.
You have to use ND filter to achieve the long exposure shot during daylight.
You're literally asking for something that doesn't work without an ND filter.
The whole point of LONG EXPOSURE is literally in the name.
You can't get "long exposure" without exposing the sensor to more and more light the longer the shutter is open.
Whatever huawei was doing isn't real long exposure during daylight because that is impossible without an ND filter over the lens.
The p20 uses software to average multiple expdures so you could so it in bright daylight. It worked really well and wish I had something similar on my s20
Hi All
Has anyone a link to a user guide for the phone? I didn't get a paper one and although I can use a phone and install apps with ease, there are lots and lots of camera features which I'm finding out by experimentation.
I've emailed Xiaomi, but don't expect an answer and couldn't find the user guide on the Xiaomi site. For example, I didn't find the macro setting much use, but 5x zoom in Photo mode works MUCH better.
Thanks for reading...
Steve
ps I did a couple of timings and did the following:
1) Charge up to 100% and play the "Norwegian Train Ride" video on YouTube.
The phone lasted 11.5 hours before turning off.
2) Charged it back up to 100% with the 67W charger (that USB cable is thick!)
It took 50 minutes to charge back up to 100%
picitup said:
Hi All
Has anyone a link to a user guide for the phone? I didn't get a paper one and although I can use a phone and install apps with ease, there are lots and lots of camera features which I'm finding out by experimentation.
I've emailed Xiaomi, but don't expect an answer and couldn't find the user guide on the Xiaomi site. For example, I didn't find the macro setting much use, but 5x zoom in Photo mode works MUCH better.
Thanks for reading...
Steve
ps I did a couple of timings and did the following:
1) Charge up to 100% and play the "Norwegian Train Ride" video on YouTube.
The phone lsted 11.5 hours before turning off.
2) Charged it back up to 100% with the 67W charger (that USB cable is thick!)
It took 50 minutes to charge back up to 100%
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Well slap me with a wet kipper! Xiaomi UK did reply with a link, but it's only a generic manual how to make phone calls,etc. if it's any use to anyone it's here:
https://i01.appmifile.com/webfile/globalimg/Global_UG/Mi_Smartphone/User_Guide/mi_phone_user_manual_EN.pdf
I've contacted them again asking for a user guide for the camera so wait and see.
Cheers Steve
Look on YouTube #shootlikeapro Xiaomi did some videos on the options in the camera.
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Look on YouTube #shootlikeapro Xiaomi did some videos on the options in the camera.
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Hi @justintime thanks for your reply. I took a look on Youube but I think most of the shootlikeapro videos are for other xiaomi phones.
I'll carry on experimenting (guessing) and report what I find here in case it helps anyone else.
So far I've found this:
The macro mode isn't much different to normal mode and my Note10 is much better than the Ultra. However, using the 2x or 5x zoom instead works very well.
Night mode is amazing! Night pics look like daylight pics
Next up I'm going to play with time lapse and night mode time lapse so I'll post up here.
Cheers
Steve
Oh yes, my note10 pro took 8 seconds to post-process a night picture and the Ultra takes 3 seconds. Snapdragon 888. num num num.
Ok next up is daytime time lapse.
To use it you open the camera, choose More and Time-lapse.
On the left of the screen,you get a timer icon and if you touch this, you get speed and duration options. For the duration, you can choose a set time, or infinity so it will record forever, or until your storage is full.
For the speed, you can set it from 4x to 180x. I tried a time lapse of the clouds at 4x, but the speed was not fast enough for what I wanted, but 30x was just dandy.
So I think the speed setting is a multiplier for the output speed, so 4x is 4x faster than normal etc.
Tonight it's a night mode time lapse. To access this, you choose more/movie effects/ Night Time lapse ( I think! )
Anyway, I'll post up when I have some results
Cheers
Steve
picitup said:
Ok next up is daytime time lapse.
To use it you open the camera, choose More and Time-lapse.
On the left of the screen,you get a timer icon and if you touch this, you get speed and duration options. For the duration, you can choose a set time, or infinity so it will record forever, or until your storage is full.
For the speed, you can set it from 4x to 180x. I tried a time lapse of the clouds at 4x, but the speed was not fast enough for what I wanted, but 30x was just dandy.
So I think the speed setting is a multiplier for the output speed, so 4x is 4x faster than normal etc.
Tonight it's a night mode time lapse. To access this, you choose more/movie effects/ Night Time lapse ( I think! )
Anyway, I'll post up when I have some results
Cheers
Steve
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Oh yes, something else I forgot. When you record time lapse, the screen goes black apart from a ring timer showing you the duration so far. I guess this saves battery
Well I tried night time lapse last night. The phone was on battery and was dead in the morning. The video was saved just fine. The results weren't very good, nowhere near as good as the demo night time lapse in More/Movie Effects. It just looks like a normal video with no night enhancements and was quite dark. Maybe I did something wrong :-(
I've just updated to MIUI 12.5.4 and according to the page below, it includes 13 camera enhancements, including night mode, so I'll give it a go tonight.
https://min.news/en/tech/590f98d68b0fdbb259d5fd644b74d23c.html
Another issue is camera access. I've tried a few camera2 api checkers from the Play Store, but all only show 2 cameras , front (1) and back (0) which is a bit dissapointing as I'd quite like to use other camera apps and choose the lens. Hm......
The nice part is they both support LEVEL_3 and RAW output.
Cheers Steve
After even more searching, I found the following user guide:
User manuals (English) - Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra - [placeholder | TechBone
The user manuals (English) of the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra online or as direct download.
www.techbone.net
It's lacking in a lot of detail, but gives some clues.
Cheers
Steve
Ok I'm stuck. I can't find out how to do night video that's any good. The ROM update didn't help so if anyone knows how to do it, please let me know so I can stop buggering about.
Cheers
Steve
picitup said:
Ok I'm stuck. I can't find out how to do night video that's any good. The ROM update didn't help so if anyone knows how to do it, please let me know so I can stop buggering about.
Cheers
Steve
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So two things I've noticed that have helped improve my night mode video recording from initial testing so far is to turn off AI mode and if possible, use a handheld tripod/stabilizer if you have one. Seems to help a lot in both 1080p and 4k 30fps.
Hi @kyero985 thanks for your reply. AI is turned off and I have a Joby Gorillapod which I use for night video. The videos have very low colour rendering, almost a black and white version.
I'll post up a screen grab of my night video for reference as soon as I can.
Cheers
Steve
I've attached a screenshot of a night video which seems very poor to me. Also attached is another screen shot from a camera2 API checker on the play store. Disappointingly, it only lists 2 cameras which is irritating. I guess I need to root it and enable camera2 API?
Cheers
Steve
picitup said:
I've attached a screenshot of a night video which seems very poor to me. Also attached is another screen shot from a camera2 API checker on the play store. Disappointingly, it only lists 2 cameras which is irritating. I guess I need to root it and enable camera2 API?
Cheers
Steve
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I think the 2 cameras being detected in camera2 API checkers (front & main cam) is normal. I had the Vivo X51 Pro (also known as Vivo X50 Pro in some markets) and it was the same.
HOWEVER, when using Google Camera ports from BSG with the Snapcam package signature, ALL cameras are detected and can be used. Hopefully it's the same thing with Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra.
Hi All
I just installed EU Weekly ROM 21.6.16 Beta and the camera seems improved. Notably the screen lag when zooming at high factors.
The ROM above was offered OTA so I downloaded the zip, booted to TWRP, wiped the Dalvik cache and installed it without any backups (eek) and it all worked fine. No data loss or anything.
It's tricky to find the subject at high zooms, couple that with screen lag of the image and it's even harder.
Now the screen updates really fast so congrats to the EU ROM team!
I also noticed the Macro seems better and more able to get closer to the image. Also previoulsy night mode video didn't seem to work very well. Hardly any colour information so almost a black-and-white image (see above).
It's light here in the UK now (6pm) so when it's darker (around 9pm) I'll give it a bash and report back. Fingers crossed!
Cheers
Steve
picitup said:
Hi All
I just installed EU Weekly ROM 21.6.16 Beta and the camera seems improved. Notably the screen lag when zooming at high factors.
The ROM above was offered OTA so I downloaded the zip, booted to TWRP, wiped the Dalvik cache and installed it without any backups (eek) and it all worked fine. No data loss or anything.
It's tricky to find the subject at high zooms, couple that with screen lag of the image and it's even harder.
Now the screen updates really fast so congrats to the EU ROM team!
I also noticed the Macro seems better and more able to get closer to the image. Also previoulsy night mode video didn't seem to work very well. Hardly any colour information so almost a black-and-white image (see above).
It's light here in the UK now (6pm) so when it's darker (around 9pm) I'll give it a bash and report back. Fingers crossed!
Cheers
Steve
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Thanks for sharing your feedback! I'm tempted to flash the EU Weekly ROM myself too as I'm keen on testing the potential all-round camera improvements too.
I'm still on 12.5.7 CN Stable myself and don't have many complaints as it's come a long way since the stock firmware but I am really curious and feeling up to do more testing.
No problem. That's what we're all here for, to share our experiences to hopefully help others.
Obviously I'm going to say you should always backup before flashing, but as I had backed up the previous day so took the risk.
My backup regime for data I care about is:
SMS
SMS backup and restore:
SMS Backup & Restore - Apps on Google Play
A simple app that backs up and restores SMS & MMS messages and call logs.
play.google.com
Backs up up message to Google Drive
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Whatsapp:
Settings/Chats/Chat backup
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Photos:
Copy entire DCIM folder and sub-folders to PC
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/SteveData
My documents etc.
Copy folder and sub-folders to PC
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Calendar:
Automatically backed up to Google Drive
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This regime has served me well across multiple ROMs.
Cheers
Steve
picitup said:
No problem. That's what we're all here for, to share our experiences to hopefully help others.
Obviously I'm going to say you should always backup before flashing, but as I had backed up the previous day so took the risk.
My backup regime for data I care about is:
SMS
SMS backup and restore:
SMS Backup & Restore - Apps on Google Play
A simple app that backs up and restores SMS & MMS messages and call logs.
play.google.com
Backs up up message to Google Drive
====================================================
Whatsapp:
Settings/Chats/Chat backup
====================================================
Photos:
Copy entire DCIM folder and sub-folders to PC
====================================================
/SteveData
My documents etc.
Copy folder and sub-folders to PC
====================================================
Calendar:
Automatically backed up to Google Drive
====================================================
This regime has served me well across multiple ROMs.
Cheers
Steve
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Thanks for the tip! I'll be able to unlock my BL this Sunday so I'm looking forward to flashing the 24/06 EU Weekly which should be out by then. I'm ready to format my data and use TWRP to complete this process.
I'll be posting some photo comparisons too as I have done previously. How big of an improvement have you noticed over the previous stable?
Hi that's what these forums are for eh? Sharing info for all to see. Th mani improvement I notices was improvement on the camera lag issue. This was noticable when you try to zoom at high factors. Clearly at high zoom, it's hard to steady the camera, but even harder when the screen image lags behind.
I'm on EU weekly now MIUI 12.6 21.6.23 beta and it seems fine.
Cheers
Steve
As promised, I flashed the EU 21.6.23 Weekly today from CN 12.5.7 and everything's working well so far. Thanks for all your advice so far. A few things I've noticed about the camera so far:
1. All levels of Zoom are incredibly stable now. Even at 120x (not that you'd want to use it a lot), it hardly shakes or stutters. Quality of zoomed-in photos are better as a result since it can stabilize and lock-on more quickly. However, anything over 40x is still unusable imo.
2. Night Mode photos are a tiny bit better. There's a bit more detail and clarity and slightly less noise all-round in all of my low light sample shots. Handheld Night Mode Zoom shots are considerably better due to the stabilization improvement on the telephoto lens since you need to be still for about 5 seconds anyway.
3. Taking photos up close is better now. No, it's still not on the same level as the S21 Ultra since that phone still takes the best macro mode shots from what I've seen, but it is noticeable and a small step-up over 12.5.7.