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Why is it that every time a new product comes out...

early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?

rudeguy said:
early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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+1 :good:

You make it sound like the only people that own the product are the ones here complaining. I'm willing to bet they are a small fraction of the owners. Besides, the true early adopters know that there will be issues, and quietly get them resolved without making a stink. My thoughts are the ones complaining are the ones that only follow the big tech announcements and see the next "must have" product and aren't true "early adopters".

tl;dr whining about whiners

Where do you expect a post on XDA like this to go? I would suggest you ask a mod to close this thread as it has no relevant value (other than starting flame wars).

So only threads complaining about problems unnecessarily are allowed?
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rudeguy said:
early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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because you touch yourself at night.
ATOT :highfive:

The small minority with problems will always be the vocal majority.

rudeguy said:
early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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I waited until recently to grab one and I still got a dud. Don't get me wrong, I loved my Nexus 7 and still highly recommend it to people. What burns me is when issues aren't fixed, which seems to be a growing trend with ASUS right now. If there's an issue and it's fixed, I'm as happy as a clam. Refusal to fix with a 170 dollar quote from ASUS to fix it? Now that's just bad.

So if I buy a car that's a first production run and it fails on my while driving it's to be expected? I don't think that's acceptable. But hey maybe I am just a crazy person who expects things to work.
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Bigjim1488 said:
So if I buy a car that's a first production run and it fails on my while driving it's to be expected? I don't think that's acceptable. But hey maybe I am just a crazy person who expects things to work.
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But are you dropping 20 grand on a phone? I doubt it. Phones usually aren't used for more than a year or two before the owner decides to upgrade. A car is usually used 5-10+ years. You can't expect the quality control from a car to be the same or even close to the same as for a mobile device.
Now I agree, I also want things to work but no way will the company be able to iron out all the problems before release.

Its not that we expect products to be problem free, but they should be free of *major* problems and/or the mfg should fix these issues. That's not what I'm seeing with the latest Asus products though...
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veeman said:
But are you dropping 20 grand on a phone? I doubt it. Phones usually aren't used for more than a year or two before the owner decides to upgrade. A car is usually used 5-10+ years. You can't expect the quality control from a car to be the same or even close to the same as for a mobile device.
Now I agree, I also want things to work but no way will the company be able to iron out all the problems before release.
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I agree. Plus your nexus 7 isn't going to kill you if something breaks or goes wrong. Cars are held to a different standard and are tested to make sure they are safe for people.

dottat said:
Where do you expect a post on XDA like this to go? I would suggest you ask a mod to close this thread as it has no relevant value (other than starting flame wars).
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krelvinaz said:
So only threads complaining about problems unnecessarily are allowed?
Sent from my Nexus 7
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Seems like a reasonable thing to discuss in the general section. Your reply seems kind of rude.

I guess that, for me at least, I don't consider myself a beta tester. If I buy a product, be it first run or 10 years later, I expect it to work like it is supposed to work. Anything less is not acceptable in my view. If you charge me money for a product, then I demand/feel entitled/whatever to have that product live up to it's claims. Now, if you want me to be a beta tester for your product, by all means, you can give me a non-polished product...but then the product needs to be free and if you want more than complaints, be prepared to pay me an hourly rate for my time as well.
Luckily I seem to have incredible luck and I've only had one product be defective out of all the mobile devices I've owned.

Boohooo
With any rather is be a new car a cell phone or tablet.. or even a door knob.. You will here from 1 of maybe a few hundred that are totally satisfied.. When people have issues now days they head online. IF this were a car forum you would hear complaints .well maybe even about your car. that you might love and have no issues..
people witeh issues wanna hear from others with similar issues. If nothing more then to know they are not alone . When people ban together especially a place like here to let it be known there are MAJOR issues with a product the manufacture takes notice. YES even ASUS with there lack of ability to produce a good product . 4 Years ago i would have stood behind them. NO MORE well i just hope they get the act together before they get hit with many class action suits. There is a huge common problem with the nexus..
NO The problem is not performance or function . its BUILD QUALITY a crying shame on such a well thought out product. with very poor Quality testing
With all that said XDA in the general section under the correct device . Doing so respectfully is the CORRECT Place for these type of post.. Development is not just software its built and design quality. As we have seen several post about people fixing there own device .
As far as this tablet.. THERE should be a buffer space between the trim piece and the glass. Glass and plastic expands and contracts diffident This will likely cause alot of glass breaking in the future.. Mine broke 30 minutes after purchase in my hand with no drop no over exertion . Yes these issues are a exception to most peoples experience.. But they still happen to often..
my two Cents...

Many threads are there to report problems or see if others have the same problem to see if there is a common factor or fix, not always just to complain.

A topic complaining about complaining, I find it easier not to click on topics that do not appeal to me.......Or I just thought of a new topic to make
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BrianDigital said:
A topic complaining about complaining, I find it easier not to click on topics that do not appeal to me.......Or I just thought of a new topic to make
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So your saying make a new thread about threads complaining about people who are are posting about issues with there Device CLEAVER.
NOT..!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh:

People want to pay $100 bucks and have a complaint about everything that is wrong with something. It reminds me of those people who buy 40 inch Coby TV's and then complain and tell the world about how bad Coby is and why it sucks..

Wow

Well I have to say, the Nexus 4 forum is a great example of 98% of people only posting on the internet when they are unhappy!
Never seen so many complaints about a phone before.

It's simply because the people that doesn't have problem are enjoy their phone
Also, is pointless to open new topic for just saying that the phone is amazing

dknotty said:
Never seen so many complaints about a phone before.
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You obviously haven't been on an iPhone forum

I must say it's quite horrific when you're looking to buy the phone and you see a thread entitled yellow tint and a thread saying nexus came with scratches and another one that says don't leave your nexus on any surface lol! I've never seen so many issues with a device. Really putting me off wanting to buy it now.

sharpinator said:
I must say it's quite horrific when you're looking to buy the phone and you see a thread entitled yellow tint and a thread saying nexus came with scratches and another one that says don't leave your nexus on any surface lol! I've never seen so many issues with a device. Really putting me off wanting to buy it now.
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Same situation as you, but I will not give. I will get one and break it myself!

Dragooon123 said:
Same situation as you, but I will not give. I will get one and break it myself!
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haha

sharpinator said:
I must say it's quite horrific when you're looking to buy the phone and you see a thread entitled yellow tint and a thread saying nexus came with scratches and another one that says don't leave your nexus on any surface lol! I've never seen so many issues with a device. Really putting me off wanting to buy it now.
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I started a thread saying people should wait 2 weeks to order to see if the early adopting test dummies have problems. People went off at me like I was crazy
Look at the test dummies now

It happens all the time, no company excluded. The firsts batches are always flawed, beacause of this never buy anthing on the day 1.

It seems like there are not serious problems yet,
-rattling: not a real issue most people probably wouldn't even recognize if others weren't pointing it out.
-yellow spot on screen: Doesn't seem like a common problem, only 2 or 3 people here seem to have this problem until now

You usually post with issues. About 95% have nothing to say!

wurzelsepp3 said:
-rattling: not a real issue most people probably wouldn't even recognize if others weren't pointing it out.
-yellow spot on screen: Doesn't seem like a common problem, only 2 or 3 people here seem to have this problem until now
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- Battery life is terrible

Its a basic principle of statistic. Put a survey box in a restaurant, only angry people will fill it. When you say something is perfect, it asks for this answer : OK.
OK. Does not help progression, advancement or amelioration.
Besides, we are in the self-entitlement era.

Issues which will keep me away from buying at the hissing from the speaker and the yellow tint (which i havent seem many posts on).
Glad I didn't get one on launch day
And you guys the people posting here are not people with 1 posts. They are members who have been around for a long time who were exciting to buy the phone and are reporting the issues with it.

ap3604 said:
I started a thread saying people should wait 2 weeks to order to see if the early adopting test dummies have problems. People went off at me like I was crazy
Look at the test dummies now
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Well...my nexus 4 doesn't have any issue, plus I've never seen an android so fast...
Also, are you sure that second batches are 100% without defects?
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kaiowas82 said:
Well...my nexus 4 doesn't have any issue, plus I've never seen an android so fast...
Also, are you sure that second batches are 100% without defects?
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Nothing will be without defects
But usually the first batch is made hastly, because they need to creato more stocks for the first day (even though weren't enought ) and have less quality controls

Plus, as many times is been said, rattling is not an issue, is part of the autofocus in the camera and you can hear it in every moderns smartphone, including iPhone 5, 4s, hox and s3
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wurzelsepp3 said:
It seems like there are not serious problems yet,
-rattling: not a real issue most people probably wouldn't even recognize if others weren't pointing it out.
-yellow spot on screen: Doesn't seem like a common problem, only 2 or 3 people here seem to have this problem until now
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I've not seen any "real" widespread issues reported here that would make me hold off on ordering this phone. Whether you order it today or 3 months from now it's still going to slip off of your uneven dining table lol.
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BakaPhoenix said:
But usually the first batch is made hastly, because they need to creato more stocks for the first day (even though weren't enought ) and have less quality controls
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I never believed in that, would be a suicidal way to approach an always more demanding market. I just think it happens like with any electronic device
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I've had my Nexus 4 since Thursday morning, everything is spot on. No weird yellow tint, no issues what so ever actually. Battery life is acceptable enough for me, it pulls a day with heavy use, beyond that I don't give a toss.
Other than that it runs everyone like a boss, silky smooth and everyone that's had a play with it so far has tried to jizz on it.
Phil

It's actually refreshing for a change to hear something positive about the phone from a user!

[Off Topic] Samsung washing machines explode

http://m.koco.com/money/us-warns-samsung-washing-machine-owners-after-explosion-reports/41864842
Apparently, Samsung has their hands full at this point lol.
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I'm not a Samsung loyalist, however I've fallen victim to their shenanigans twice this year. I not only purchased a Note 7 (returned it due to explosions) but also have a Samsung washer..... I'm seriously reconsidering them as a 'reliable' brand. I haven't picked up a "fixed" Note 7 yet, and I'm not sure I will. The LG v20 is looking better. (IF I can stomach this S7 (flat) long enough for the v20 to release.)
I'm also going to follow up on this washer issue... Stay tuned.

Yea, they'll do that if you load them above the weight limit... We're all tech savvy enough to know what happens if you overload the weight capacity on a spinning, rotating motor....

ShadowLea said:
Yea, they'll do that if you load them above the weight limit... We're all tech savvy enough to know what happens if you overload the weight capacity on a spinning, rotating motor....
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I agree, and commonsense is not so common.
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LOL I shudder to think what would happen had they been making planes or hybrid cars. Quality testing department seems to be non existent at Samsung. @ShadowLea thoughts?
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I think we would be in some serious trouble. On a side note, I hear apple is having issues with its new improved version of the ibomb. The iPhone 7 has been exploding too.
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Definitely not going to buy one for my parents on xmas.

ViTALiTY00 said:
Definitely not going to buy one for my parents on xmas.
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I was actually thinking about buying one, and their new fridge. The last thing I need is for my fridge to turn into a transformer or something. So I'll keep it simple and stick with whirlpool, or Frigidaire.
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ironman38102 said:
LOL I shudder to think what would happen had they been making planes or hybrid cars. Quality testing department seems to be non existent at Samsung. @ShadowLea thoughts?
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Those cars would probably come equipped with a fire siren for a horn... :laugh:
While their QA department certainly seems to have disappeared overnight, it's more a classic case of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. (Also known as frequency illusion. You know, when you buy a car and suddenly see the same type everywhere.)
You would never have heard about the washing machine if the Note 7 didn't have the spontaneous combustion issue. But now people are all jumping on the bandwagon, hoping to catch a bit of free cash from the court cases. After all, it's easier to win when you can point at something else as evidence. "Yes, my washing machine exploded, see, it happens to their phones too!"
Exploding washing machine? They added too much weight over the safety limit.
Note 2 burst into flames? Yea, it's a 4 year old device, there's a 99% chance they used a 3rd party cheap battery. Those always leak.
Tablet started smoking on a plane? Yea, the moron wedged it between the seats and then changed the seat position, squashing the tablet. Lithium is a flammable gas!
Nearly every other Samsung device in history (apart from the Note 7) that caught fire had a user-based cause.
Still, I find it utterly hilarious. We warned them time and again about prioritizing Apple over their own customers, and this is a typical case of karma. The financial costs of this mess are a thousand times higher than the money they hoped to earn from beating Apple to the release.
And do they learn? Of course not, now the S8 is going to get an early release to make up for it.

ShadowLea said:
Those cars would probably come equipped with a fire siren for a horn... :laugh:
While their QA department certainly seems to have disappeared overnight, it's more a classic case of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. (Also known as frequency illusion. You know, when you buy a car and suddenly see the same type everywhere.)
You would never have heard about the washing machine if the Note 7 didn't have the spontaneous combustion issue. But now people are all jumping on the bandwagon, hoping to catch a bit of free cash from the court cases. After all, it's easier to win when you can point at something else as evidence. "Yes, my washing machine exploded, see, it happens to their phones too!"
Exploding washing machine? They added too much weight over the safety limit.
Note 2 burst into flames? Yea, it's a 4 year old device, there's a 99% chance they used a 3rd party cheap battery. Those always leak.
Tablet started smoking on a plane? Yea, the moron wedged it between the seats and then changed the seat position, squashing the tablet. Lithium is a flammable gas!
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Hold on if they put too much weight over the safety limit then how the hell are they allowed to complain? The machine exploded due to their own stupidity, not manufacturing defect. I mean sure this is 2016 where no one reads manuals but you should have some sense not to stuff the machine with a lot of clothes! As for the Note 2 incident I completely agree that its probably using third party potato battery.
I mean I have my first device still which released on 2012 or 2013 and recently it's battery was swollen to the point that it would have exploded any minute, and as this device is old I didn't have a choice but to get a third party battery. Also who the hell decides to stuff their phone in tight spaces?! You aren't suppose to squish batteries FFS! I mean really do people today forget that phones are a ticking time bomb? With phones having Lithium-ion batteries they should know that these things can explode under excessive heat. Especially if the circuitry inside the battery that prevents overcharging is damaged which is most likely easy to happen in these cheap third party batteries. It doesn't help either if you are using potato quality cables. Like you said, people are just finding reasons to hate Samsung now that its reputation is tarnished abit. Just like the media did for Qualcomm for its 810 issues.
ShadowLea said:
Nearly every other Samsung device in history (apart from the Note 7) that caught fire had a user-based cause.
Still, I find it utterly hilarious. We warned them time and again about prioritizing Apple over their own customers, and this is a typical case of karma. The financial costs of this mess are a thousand times higher than the money they hoped to earn from beating Apple to the release.
And do they learn? Of course not, now the S8 is going to get an early release to make up for it.
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They were in such a hurry to win the release race against Apple they ended up bargaining more than they hoped for. Had they put the time and effort instead on focusing the quality of the device rather than how quickly it releases, they wouldn't have to spend $1 billion for this mess. Thats not all, they'll have losses from the fact that people might just return their Note 7s and get something else. Where I live(Middle East), many people I know who are loyal to Samsung decided its enough and decided to get their money back and buy iPhone 7 so congratulations Samsung, you gave more customers to Apple(atleast in Middle East anyway).

ironman38102 said:
Hold on if they put too much weight over the safety limit then how the hell are they allowed to complain? The machine exploded due to their own stupidity, not manufacturing defect. I mean sure this is 2016 where no one reads manuals but you should have some sense not to stuff the machine with a lot of clothes! As for the Note 2 incident I completely agree that its probably using third party potato battery.
I mean I have my first device still which released on 2012 or 2013 and recently it's battery was swollen to the point that it would have exploded any minute, and as this device is old I didn't have a choice but to get a third party battery. Also who the hell decides to stuff their phone in tight spaces?! You aren't suppose to squish batteries FFS! I mean really do people today forget that phones are a ticking time bomb? With phones having Lithium-ion batteries they should know that these things can explode under excessive heat. Especially if the circuitry inside the battery that prevents overcharging is damaged which is most likely easy to happen in these cheap third party batteries. It doesn't help either if you are using potato quality cables. Like you said, people are just finding reasons to hate Samsung now that its reputation is tarnished abit. Just like the media did for Qualcomm for its 810 issues.
They were in such a hurry to win the release race against Apple they ended up bargaining more than they hoped for. Had they put the time and effort instead on focusing the quality of the device rather than how quickly it releases, they wouldn't have to spend $1 billion for this mess. Thats not all, they'll have losses from the fact that people might just return their Note 7s and get something else. Where I live(Middle East), many people I know who are loyal to Samsung decided its enough and decided to get their money back and buy iPhone 7 so congratulations Samsung, you gave more customers to Apple(atleast in Middle East anyway).
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A friend of mine in AUS was telling me about her parents Samsung washing machine smoking. The main circuitry went up apparently. Not sure how much truth there is to it, as she didn't include pics. Would've been a sight to see for sure though.
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iPhone 6s exploded recently. Sent the guy to the hospital. It was in his pocket, just sitting there idle. And boom.
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If depends by me, this damn inc. Was exploded a long time AGO!
Together with gogle's and appl'es damn bastards.
Don't use blackmart.apk
This is a damn pest that injects dangerous .jar files onto cache folder.
If you block cache folder this DAMN MALWARE refuses to start!
Be aware!
Authentic .jar files inside cache, may destroy your GPU , DESTROYS YOUR SYSTEM DIR, may gain root without su binary usage!
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This xda app i use now, was downloaded via blackmart.
They are a band of suckers, the peerblock acuses anyip.svc.yourserver.de
This a german app, masked as rusian.
DIFFAMING THE RUSIANS.
SU CKERS!
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Why they dom't hack gogle? They are together with the new "gogle" amazon.
Hahaha!
All implagued with jar and dex files onto cache!
Be aware, open your eyes, playstorre, blackmart, any damn app dowloader uses cached randomic binaries came from their DAMN servers. Facebok, telegram, any app that uses DAMN AD MALWARES TOO.
GRATEFULL TO DISCOVER ALL THIS BECAUSE I AM ON SDEXT2 NTFS . HA HA.

Note 7 fraus

I have a sneaky suspicion that all the "New reports" are fraud. Like ppl tampered with the notes to get a pay day. I feel Samsung is only stopping sells & production as a "just in case" it is real. I highly doubt Samsung made the same error twice in a row. I'm holding on to my note until an official statement comes out. I think Sammy just knows that for the life of the note7 these reports will keep popping up and they'll be losing millions in bogus report investigations and fake litigation ... What do you guys think?

I think it is highly possible
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I don't blame them for pulling the note series. It may not even come back. The note name is tarnished now. People won't be so trusting of it. They may release a 7 edge + lol. We shall see.
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Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.

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I have a sneaky suspicion that all the "New reports" are fraud. Like ppl tampered with the notes to get a pay day. I feel Samsung is only stopping sells & production as a "just in case" it is real. I highly doubt Samsung made the same error twice in a row. I'm holding on to my note until an official statement comes out. I think Sammy just knows that for the life of the note7 these reports will keep popping up and they'll be losing millions in bogus report investigations and fake litigation ... What do you guys think?
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I'd think that for its reputation's sake, Samsung would be quick to point out that some of the phones had been tampered with.

Eudeferrer said:
Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.
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how would Jump be effected? I read the other post in here about it and contacted T-Mobile and until anything concrete comes out they said its nothing more than what it always has been Jump from one phone to the other. Did you personally hear something otherwise

I was told that you will always be entitled to a full refund on the device, therefore, its market value is irrelevant. Keep it until you want another device and then get your refund.

Eudeferrer said:
Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.
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I don't care what people think. I can throw a case on the phone and a skin no one would know it was a note. And honestly if this phone didn't get updated for a year when whatever replaces it comes out it will bee ahead of everything out... Android 7.0 didn't really bring anything Samsung doesn't already have so I'm not missing a game changer. But I will miss my SPen! And jump won't be effected, and I have jump on demand so maybe something will catch my eye. And these days (Samsung pay, s health, private folder, iris scanner) I don't root anymore because I'd lose to may features. Idk I just don't want to lose something great because of liars.

And technically it hasn't been recalled. These are just preliminary steps what are the chances, after the investigation it is deemed a recall isn't necessary , I wonder

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And technically it hasn't been recalled. These are just preliminary steps what are the chances, after the investigation it is deemed a recall isn't necessary , I wonder
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Even if they do come back in a month and say "false alarm, everything is fine guys" it's always going to be planted in the back of my mind as a what-if. Meaning that I'll always be wondering if my phone might develop that flaw that causes it to fail and tarnishing my experience with the phone. It's a great phone and it'll be hard to replace, but I just can't enjoy using it now. Probably a silly thing to think, but there it is.

Stopped at the local T-Mo store to check out the S7E... First it doesn't come in black or at least T-Mobile doesn't stock the black version - I'm not a fan of shiny phones. While the size wasn't much of a difference, It's still a difference I'll notice.
I'll be keeping my Note 7 until they pry it from my cold crispy charred fingers!

Samsung's failure

The note 7. What a failure for Samsung. Economically and their reputation. But who's really to blame. Battery manufactures are spotty at best for any electronics manufacture. Its just how that gamble works in the battery game. There are no real reliable sources. That's why there are most likely 6 18650 battery cells in your older laptop, made by Sony, Samsung, or LG. Each cell is 4.2 volts when fully charged. Wired in series, this equals 25.2 volts. Each cell has a minimum of 3 volts, or 18 volts in series. Which means your battery pack can operate from roughly 18-25volts. Your charger is a 19 volt charger. Meaning when they designed your laptop, they did so keeping in mind on average of 1 out of 6 of your cells has had a manufacturing catastrophic failure. But the battery pack will still work. Why do you think they die so fast and their capacities diminish? Now Samsung releases millions of cell phones with non-removable battery covers, forcing users to purchase new phones instead of batteries, it's like they where asking for a 19 billion dollar loss, because they can't point fingers at anyone but themselves, knowing the battery market is as it is today. I don't feel sorry for them for going cheap and trying to copy apple. We are fortunate we didn't see this happen sooner, although we all take today's technologies for granted and expect miracles from countries that cannot keep up to our capitalist demand, like legitimate batteries.

Thing is Samsung isn't the first to do sealed in batteries and this isnt their first phone with a sealed in battery (see S6, S6edge, S6edge+, Note5, S7. S7edge). Making the statement that they were asking for it by sealing in batteries is an over simplification when you consider all the phones that have sealed batteries and all the tablets that have always had sealed batteries.
Also what does it have to do with "keeping up with our capitalist demands". South Korea where Samsung is based is in fact a capitalist country, maybe you are mistaking it for socialist state like North Korea.
If anything it is a failure of QA on their end (opting to test everything in house, which is likely to cut cost).

I don't see a reliable way of waterproofing with a removable battery. The construction of the Sim tray with a water leak sticker right below it is a dead give away.
Half the people couldn't even click all the back fasteners on a phone anyways.

pcriz said:
Thing is Samsung isn't the first to do sealed in batteries and this isnt their first phone with a sealed in battery (see S6, S6edge, S6edge+, Note5, S7. S7edge). Making the statement that they were asking for it by sealing in batteries is an over simplification when you consider all the phones that have sealed batteries and all the tablets that have always had sealed batteries.
Also what does it have to do with "keeping up with our capitalist demands". South Korea where Samsung is based is in fact a capitalist country, maybe you are mistaking it for socialist state like North Korea.
If anything it is a failure of QA on their end (opting to test everything in house, which is likely to cut cost).
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Hey guy. Whats the intelligence behind sealed back covers. Profit. So when your battery goes out, you have to replace the phone not the battery. Defend samsung some more, South korea is currently suing samsung. Samsung Made this stupid decision. They could have pointed the finger at the battery manufacture and avoided the whole thing. But they had to seal it, resulting in a 19 billion dollar loss.

I don't care if it's the first, or last phone with a sealed battery cover, NONE of them should have it. Period.

SH4YD33 said:
I don't see a reliable way of waterproofing with a removable battery. The construction of the Sim tray with a water leak sticker right below it is a dead give away.
Half the people couldn't even click all the back fasteners on a phone anyways.
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The S5 was water resistant and has a removable battery.
Its 3 generation's old now so I would think the technology has gotten better since then as well
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boobteg2 said:
Hey guy. Whats the intelligence behind sealed back covers. Profit. So when your battery goes out, you have to replace the phone not the battery. Defend samsung some more, South korea is currently suing samsung. Samsung Made this stupid decision. They could have pointed the finger at the battery manufacture and avoided the whole thing. But they had to seal it, resulting in a 19 billion dollar loss.
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Thanks for not addressing every other phone with a sealed battery. Your point is already flawed.
And if you think every decision made about a device isn't based around return on investment then you are lost.
You guys come in armchair quarterbacking this and cant think outside of a pretty small box to even have a logical discussion.
Also love profound statement of Company X did this to save money/profit, what a company did something in an attempt to make money?!
Lol defend samsung? Did you not see my last statement about how they screwed up by using internal QA or is your confirmation bais not allowing you to acknowledge that?

force70 said:
The S5 was water resistant and has a removable battery.
Its 3 generation's old now so I would think the technology has gotten better since then as well
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If you read his post fully it says he doesnt see a reliable way of water proofing. Thing is the s5 had its fair share of unhappy users that utilized the water resistance only to realize they didn't secure one of the covers completely or the back wasnt fully closed. Then since water resistance doesnt negate water damage as a no no for insurance claims you had a lot of unhappy customers.
That being said you can't really think the resistance to ingress of moisture is better on the s5 than it is on s7.
The technology did improve, do you remember the design sacrifices for water proofing an s5? Physical buttons, port covers, what good is that in the event of an accident unless you always have them plugged.
Im not saying samsung is perfect but lets at least be objective when we discuss this.

pcriz said:
If you read his post fully it says he doesnt see a reliable way of water proofing. Thing is the s5 had its fair share of unhappy users that utilized the water resistance only to realize they didn't secure one of the covers completely or the back wasnt fully closed. Then since water resistance doesnt negate water damage as a no no for insurance claims you had a lot of unhappy customers.
That being said you can't really think the resistance to ingress of moisture is better on the s5 than it is on s7.
The technology did improve, do you remember the design sacrifices for water proofing an s5? Physical buttons, port covers, what good is that in the event of an accident unless you always have them plugged.
Im not saying samsung is perfect but lets at least be objective when we discuss this.
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Unreliable due to user error does not count, unreliable due to poor design and engineering is a different matter entirely.
Yes the ports all being covered was not exactly user friendly thats for sure.
And no of course I certainly would not expect the S5 to be better in regards to water resistance or anything else for tbat matter lol
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As an engineer we are taught to design for everything, including user error. An easy and repeated user error is called an engineering design flaw.
I am reminded of a tooth paste tube story where they changed the cap to be the pop off type instead of the screw off type. this is of course a better design as the pop top stays on the tube and is quicker than having to screw and unscrew the top each time. But consumers complained about a broken cap because they couldn't unscrew it. The designers did not say "stupid consumers" they said "bad design"
Not saying this is best for society, it limits progression, but its just the reality.

de31p5 said:
As an engineer we are taught to design for everything, including user error. An easy and repeated user error is called an engineering design flaw.
I am reminded of a tooth paste tube story where they changed the cap to be the pop off type instead of the screw off type. this is of course a better design as the pop top stays on the tube and is quicker than having to screw and unscrew the top each time. But consumers complained about a broken cap because they couldn't unscrew it. The designers did not say "stupid consumers" they said "bad design"
Not saying this is best for society, it limits progression, but its just the reality.
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I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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force70 said:
I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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Agreed, no matter how much time i spend designing something, and thinking its idiot proof, Somebody somehow always finds a way......

pcriz said:
Thanks for not addressing every other phone with a sealed battery. Your point is already flawed.
And if you think every decision made about a device isn't based around return on investment then you are lost.
You guys come in armchair quarterbacking this and cant think outside of a pretty small box to even have a logical discussion.
Also love profound statement of Company X did this to save money/profit, what a company did something in an attempt to make money?!
Lol defend samsung? Did you not see my last statement about how they screwed up by using internal QA or is your confirmation bais not allowing you to acknowledge that?
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Now it looks like Samsung will have to defend itself. There being sued for this by the South Korean people. Look at the end of the day, I don't work for any of them so I don't really give a damn. I'm just talking out of my a$$ to rant sorry. You can delete this thread if you want.

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Now it looks like Samsung will have to defend itself. There being sued for this by the South Korean people. Look at the end of the day, I don't work for any of them so I don't really give a damn. I'm just talking out of my a$$ to rant sorry. You can delete this thread if you want.
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I think they should be sued. I will bet you money you will see a full influx of leaks for the s8 and all the hype and promotions will have everyone forget this mess even happened.
I have never been tied to one brand but Samsung solely because of the Note line has seen the most action for me. This go around I am ditching sammy for the Pixel. I can't act like coming from a Note 7 it doesnt feel like a downgrade but most phones on the market do at this point.

pcriz said:
I think they should be sued. I will bet you money you will see a full influx of leaks for the s8 and all the hype and promotions will have everyone forget this mess even happened.
I have never been tied to one brand but Samsung solely because of the Note line has seen the most action for me. This go around I am ditching sammy for the Pixel. I can't act like coming from a Note 7 it doesnt feel like a downgrade but most phones on the market do at this point.
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You know what's really bad? Besides the fact we are no longer seeing note 7 fires and from the ones that were officially found to be fraudulent or media bull****...i guarantee the note 8 will have people claiming their note 8 catches on fire when that comes out. I promise you there will be and I wouldn't be surprised if that's immediately cancelled without even bothering to realize people fake **** and possibly, though I doubt it, people and companies sabotage other companies.
Point is there defenantly was a design defect and Samsung screwed up but it is strange we aren't hearing about it anymore and I am genuinely concerned about the note 8 and bogus claims.
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force70 said:
I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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Samsung is a very autocratic company with the top-level brass often over ruling the engineers.

SharpD0g said:
Samsung is a very autocratic company with the top-level brass often over ruling the engineers.
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Which is not unlike many companies lol.
If i had a dollar for everytime Ive had to say "I told you so" to some dumb ass executive who overuled the correct course of action which then caused issues and the company alot of money Id be a rich man.

Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!

RaymondPJR said:
Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!
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Guys uninstall the old package pro and download version 6.3 from this website. They disable the urgentfwupdate from version 6.6 which will allow samsung to send updates to our phones.
http://m.apkhere.com/app/com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro
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RaymondPJR said:
Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!
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