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Stereo Speakers on the X2?

Are the speakers on the X2 as loud as the N95 / Touch Pro2?
Are the speakers on the X2 as crisp as the N95?
How is the bass?
Is it stereo or mono speaker?
Where are the speakers located?
What are the two slits on the back face of the phone?

dude,
it isn't available jet, so nobody knows how it sounds...
And there a a lot of big threads with the specs of the x2..
good luck

It has been confirmed that there will be stereo speakers on the X2...

Klaus1960 said:
It has been confirmed that there will be stereo speakers on the X2...
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Source please? That would be great news.

why ?
if you move your stereo speakers as close together as the speakers in a phone would have to be
you'd have to rest your head on them to get the 2 different sources experience
with a phone it would have to balance on your nose

orelsi said:
Source please? That would be great news.
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-white paper from SE
-GSMarena
-pictures on the net show stereo speakers
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Rudegar said:
why ?
if you move your stereo speakers as close together as the speakers in a phone would have to be
you'd have to rest your head on them to get the 2 different sources experience
with a phone it would have to balance on your nose
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This is true in most cases, but the N95's speakers are quite good and noticable, even over a small distance.

orelsi said:
This is true in most cases, but the N95's speakers are quite good and noticable, even over a small distance.
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Mobile-review transaltion states they're great on X2.

orelsi said:
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GSM-Arena is one of the most legit sources. They have it. Just type Xperia X2 on the site's search bar and read all 5-6 pages of the "preview".
The speakers are located where the battery is location. The long but narrow slits are the speaker grille. The grille design on top and bottom of the phone is just aesthetic.
Now all we need to know is if the speakers are loud and crisp.
If it's as loud as the Touch Pro2, I probably still won't get it.
But if it is as loud as N95 and as CRISP, I will highly consider this phone.

poetryrocksalot said:
GSM-Arena is one of the most legit sources. They have it. Just type Xperia X2 on the site's search bar and read all 5-6 pages of the "preview".
The speakers are located where the battery is location. The long but narrow slits are the speaker grille. The grille design on top and bottom of the phone is just aesthetic.
Now all we need to know is if the speakers are loud and crisp.
If it's as loud as the Touch Pro2, I probably still won't get it.
But if it is as loud as N95 and as CRISP, I will highly consider this phone.
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Ckeck the Google translation from mobile-review of their preview.

speaker on any SE phone can not beat W960. W960 music function is just the BEST eventually its on market for alomost 3 years

vietdoan20062006 said:
speaker on any SE phone can not beat W960. W960 music function is just the BEST eventually its on market for alomost 3 years
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I don't think you know what the heck you are talking about. W960 has 1 speaker and it's mono.
It's not that loud. I even think the Xperia X2 will be louder and more crisp.
Well... the N95 has got to be 2 times louder too.

poetryrocksalot said:
I don't think you know what the heck you are talking about. W960 has 1 speaker and it's mono.
It's not that loud. I even think the Xperia X2 will be louder and more crisp.
Well... the N95 has got to be 2 times louder too.
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its true the w960 had one speaker but the sound was very good. the n95 was rubbish, i have had both and the n95 was poor, i dont understand why everyone thinks it was good.

Ganondolf said:
its true the w960 had one speaker but the sound was very good. the n95 was rubbish, i have had both and the n95 was poor, i dont understand why everyone thinks it was good.
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Hm.. That's weird, because the N95 still has the best speakers on a phone to date.
Maybe you had a faulty one or something? Have you heard other N95s except the one you had?
When people say N95 I take it they mean the 8gb version, because the first one sucked big time. I don't know if they upgraded the speakers though, along with the other things they upgraded.

Well yes that's true from all the nokia phones, the N95 has the best speaker so far..

orelsi said:
Hm.. That's weird, because the N95 still has the best speakers on a phone to date.
Maybe you had a faulty one or something? Have you heard other N95s except the one you had?
When people say N95 I take it they mean the 8gb version, because the first one sucked big time. I don't know if they upgraded the speakers though, along with the other things they upgraded.
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mine was a black 8gb, did not seem faulty (heard a standard n95 which i think was worse but not another 8gb version) i had a w960 at the same time, and i was comparing the 2. maybe next to a standard phone it was good but the w960 i had was really good. have u tried a w960? to compare?

"stereo" speakers on both sides.
still not gonna buy it just for this & its cam.
initial review with 360deg spin by gsmarena here: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-review-392p2.php
and photo gallery here: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-pictures-2926.php
EDIT: @ ganondlof, you're right. my bad. edited it so as not to mislead others anymore. thnx for that one

biernes_atrece said:
speaker phones on both sides.
judging by the looks of it, it is gonna be awesome.
hope im not wrong. but still not enuff buff for me to go for it.
initial review with 360deg spin by gsmarena here: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-review-392p2.php
and photo gallery here: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-pictures-2926.php
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these are the grills not the speakers, there is 2 on each side but the are both on the back, like two lines on either side. have a look at the pic below

Ganondolf said:
mine was a black 8gb, did not seem faulty (heard a standard n95 which i think was worse but not another 8gb version) i had a w960 at the same time, and i was comparing the 2. maybe next to a standard phone it was good but the w960 i had was really good. have u tried a w960? to compare?
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Not the w960, but plenty of other device. There are some that are louder, some that are more "crisp", etc. The N95 has the best speakers OVERALL. At least from what I have compared it to. Second place goes to some phones in the Walkman series.
I guess, I have to find a w960 and come back to you on that hehe.

Ganondolf said:
mine was a black 8gb, did not seem faulty (heard a standard n95 which i think was worse but not another 8gb version) i had a w960 at the same time, and i was comparing the 2. maybe next to a standard phone it was good but the w960 i had was really good. have u tried a w960? to compare?
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Ganondolf are u sure? The N95 has very crisp sound and you could notice the bass in which most phones can't even do that.

[Q] Disappointed with headphone audio output. any fixes?

I know this is the dev section but posting this on the i9000 board will just allow it to get lost and ignored.
I got this phone to replace my old deteriorating samsung d500. i was quite excited to use this as my main music player since i lost my old ipod.
dont get me wrong.the phone is great. but audio volume and quality is really lacking. i thought it was my imagination at first (since i lost my ipod i couldnt compare) but then i tried out my friends iphone 3g (same headphones of course) and iphone audio quality clearly trumps the galaxy sl's.
I tried using an app for users on GB 2.3.4 called "volume +". it does the job of increasing the volume beyond the phones natural limits, but by exceeding the phones max volume by even just a bit causes the music to be distorted no matter what settings i use.only the phones default setting sounds clear (relatively speaking) I listen to flac,not mp3.
Are i9003 owners screwed on this aspect of our phone? I love android and i love this phone, and i dont think spending over 500usd on an iphone with limited functionality albeit great sounding audio is worth it.
I read volume + is an app that renders the audio on a software level while voodoo sound does so on a hardware level (though it relies on certain kernels which are obviously not available on this phone atm)
Also, voodoo sound from what i know will only be effective with a good sound chip (wolfson) found on the original sgs. does anyone know if the sl uses the same chip?
If this phone is really limited this aspect, can anyone recommend an android unit which has excellent headphone output (comparable to apples devices or even better hopefully)?
thanks for your time reading this post

Actually, The sound quality is superb. It is not good on the Stock FW, the FW when you buy the phone. But after the Gingerbread update of XXKPH and the Froyo update of XXKB3, The sound is a charm! WHich FW are you on?

Have u try poweramp?
this got a equalizers
so u can adjust volume,bass,treble and etc
or try the following link fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735918
Hope this will helpful

mingfai said:
Have u try poweramp?
this got a equalizers
so u can adjust volume,bass,treble and etc
or try the following link fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735918
Hope this will helpful
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im currently on XXKPE.
Ive tried Poweramp and its not really something that equalizers can fix imo. The output just doesnt have enough drive in it. but ill check that link you posted
edit: after trying out what was suggested in the link, ive noticed a slight improvement in volume and bass. thank you!

Buy another headphones.
I purchased Rs 100 headphone just to listen to my phone, and I am quite happy with my sound output with that it has great Bass .but it has no mic.
Accessories headphones sucks.
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manrock111 said:
Buy another headphones.
I purchased Rs 100 headphone just to listen to my phone, and I am quite happy with my sound output with that it has great Bass .but it has no mic.
Accessories headphones sucks.
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I wouldnt complain about sound quality while using stock headphones.
I use Koss portapros which sound exellent on my laptop and ipod.
thanks anyway.

the phones sound is indeed below par and there is nothing we can do about it.on the other hand it is comparable to the iphone 3gs sound quality so cant complain at all.after all very few phones can compete with dedicated mp3 players.if you want sound quality try going for the phones with wolfson dacs

jit_devil2 said:
the phones sound is indeed below par and there is nothing we can do about it.on the other hand it is comparable to the iphone 3gs sound quality so cant complain at all.after all very few phones can compete with dedicated mp3 players.if you want sound quality try going for the phones with wolfson dacs
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I'll definitely keep that in mind when making my next purchase

sicmofo said:
I'll definitely keep that in mind when making my next purchase
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Ask misledz about sound... he might help...also invest in a good pair of headphones or earphones...
Do some research on brands... try sennheiser or Bose....
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Yeap, I got most of my music advice from spacebar, And he mentioned that never rely on an app's built in equalizer it's horrible! Get the "Equaliser" app from the market, and adjust the settings to +2db on the first bar and +1db on the 5th bar. That will boost your music needs and also it combines well with poweramp/Miui player.

Misledz said:
Yeap, I got most of my music advice from spacebar, And he mentioned that never rely on an app's built in equalizer it's horrible! Get the "Equaliser" app from the market, and adjust the settings to +2db on the first bar and +1db on the 5th bar. That will boost your music needs and also it combines well with poweramp/Miui player.
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To be honest i recall the post where you mentioned the equaliser app but I merely shrugged it off as one of those eqs that come with every music player out there.
Now let me tell you how WRONG I was to think that. This app really does the job. other EQs just distort the sound, but this one allows for awesome tweaking/customization. I'm quite happy now listening to music on this phone.
Maraming salamat kapatid (Thank you)

thanks for the tips guys . coming from nokia (5800) , i9003's sound quality was unacceptable to me . with this app its somewhat usable now. although it still lacks the loudness imo

Well loudness can be modified with a volume+ app, that isn't the best I'm aware but it does the job to raise the volume to a certain amount. Equaliser is a free app, But in some term's your custom preset doesn't get saved in the free version, oh well, there are alternatives to the paid anyways.
So far so good, I've noticed that PowerAMP has really good volume output, when combined with Equaliser, it really brings out the perfection that is really intended to be heard. Raw beauty. But in order to get the best of your settings, *If you use PowerAMP, you should disable any pre-existing equalizer settings or boosts, etc, they just lower the volume to a point where the deaf can hear*
As for the Equaliser setting's, Some might be wondering how to you enable the sliders in the EQ app, *Put the widget on your homescreen to make it easier to access, plus it's got a sexy layout*, Press the power button on the top right in EQ app and enable the tick mark's hence giving you the option to expand your listening experience.
Bass Boost - 15%~50% the choice is upto you, there isn't any real distortion and the quality is still superb. I'm a fan of dubstep/electronic music so I tend to love it when heavy bass drops in.
Visualizer - Not more than 5%-7%, I don't usually enable this because it tends to make the audio seem a bit faded off. It's only effective when you own a 7.1 Stereo highclass headset.
Reverb - Usually keep this disabled, But the Plate effect is a nice way to focus on the audio aswell as keep track of the bass.
@sicmofo Your welcome part ! Anytime bro.

Misledz very clearly explained ....
It seems to be pretty no0b proof ATM!
any ideas or equalizer presets for getting a half decent surround sound or 3d sound effect for heavy metal or instrumental rock tracks... when using the bundled earphones? And instead of poweramp does miui player integrate well with eq app...?
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Lordrdx666 said:
Misledz very clearly explained ....
It seems to be pretty no0b proof ATM!
any ideas or equalizer presets for getting a half decent surround sound or 3d sound effect for heavy metal or instrumental rock tracks... when using the bundled earphones? And instead of poweramp does miui player integrate well with eq app...?
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Yeap It works with most supposed player's except for Fede's Ubermusic, That's a bit glitchy and needs a major rework That player tends to start music on it's own D:. Bro the settings I mentioned should be good enough for general listening experience It boosts background while making the vocals audible

Just my feedback but I noticed that the stock music player imo has overall better sound quality and volume compared to poweramp (I'm not a fan of the early 90's-ish stereo ui either). Proplayer has a beautiful ui and good sound but it sucks the battery like there's no tomorrow. Miui player's ui reminds me too much of my old ipod (apple hater)
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if we are talking about music player here then
TTpod is just awesome, it has its own decoders-- just try it
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with equalizer its a fantastic combo.

sicmofo said:
Just my feedback but I noticed that the stock music player imo has overall better sound quality and volume compared to poweramp (I'm not a fan of the early 90's-ish stereo ui either). Proplayer has a beautiful ui and good sound but it sucks the battery like there's no tomorrow. Miui player's ui reminds me too much of my old ipod (apple hater)
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Apple hater? You truly are my child! SON!! --Err well, on another note, MIUI has a nice shake feature that I really enjoy, I can't take out the phone in the jeepney due to security/anti-theft measures but the fact that I need to shake my leg just to change the music isn't so bad ---Although that might seem like I have parkinson's to some people ;-;

manrock111 said:
if we are talking about music player here then
TTpod is just awesome, it has its own decoders-- just try it
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with equalizer its a fantastic combo.
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I've tried this out and I have to say its quite good. Props to the chinese devs. UI is attractive yet easy to navigate. The whole setup reminds me of a karaoke machine lol.
It also has the shake function that Misledz mentioned from Miui. This would be my music app of choice BUT...no flac support. BAAAAAWWWWWWW
@Misledz
I understand your plight for I too bear the same burdens. What I do however is carry this around:
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I havent had the (dis)pleasure of using it but I believe having one around your neck during one of those late commutes in a jeepney acts as a deterrent already (granted everyone knows what it is)
Haha dont worry mine isnt as flashy as the picture above which is just for reference I hold onto mine like a priest clutching onto a rosary on a crashing plane
I HAVE prepared meals with it though. Very handy

Try Volume+ v1.73
f.
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[Q] HDR Microphone gone from the specs?

I just noticed the "HDR Microphone" is now missing from the specs of the One:
http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Checked other regional sites and it's the same situation. I don't have a screenshot of previous specs but I could swear it was there. Can you guys confim it was there?
And if they removed it - it's interesting why? Because they expect future revisions coming without it because of this Nokia/STM case?

That's me never sending my phone back to HTC for a repair then.
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Tetsumi06 said:
That's me never sending my phone back to HTC for a repair then.
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They'll have to have a certain amount in stock so that they can repair any handsets already supplied to the public I think...
Just noticed your location, Bangor in the UK?

But if this is really the case and they won't be putting these HDR mics in the future I would expect a clear statement from HTC. I know this might be uncomfortable for them but they should be clear about it so we know what we're buying. This really is a great device so honestly I hope they manage to obtain similar MIC technology and will put it into the One.

yes I believe it'd be the STM case. I think they're revising the technology so hopefully they come up with something

Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/nokia/10012034/Nokia-blocks-HTC-One-microphone-supply.html
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ion_blocking_sales_of_microphones_for_HTC_One
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/22/nokia-preliminary-injunction-against-htc-one-mic/

I was quite sure it was connected with this Nokia/STM case, but now they removed this from the specs so the most important question is what kind of MIC they will be putting into the One once the current stock from STM is depleted?

replacement mics will no doubt be interchangeable with the STM ones. Whether or not the mic will be like for like that remains to be seen but on the onset, it appears could be non HDR....
btw how do you test the HDR ability of the mic.... when im talking on the phone and its pretty windy, the other person can still hear the noisy wind - i thought the HDR mic would cancel all that out...i have an early april build btw
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actually just checked - the UK site still states HDR microphone.

Yeah don't panic to be honest, all they have to do is find a like for like part (one that wasn't especially made for the Nokia 720)

Electronic Punk said:
actually just checked - the UK site still states HDR microphone.
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Where? If you go to http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one/#specs there's no mention. I've read your PDF but can't see it on the page when I go there.

Added a screenshot of the HDR mic(Before they removed it.)
I really doubt they'll be able to add another HDR mic on it though... As the patent is not the chipset but what the chipset brings or what makes it unique.
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Thanks for the screenshot, so it's now clear it's been removed. I hope it will be back.

simba2585 said:
btw how do you test the HDR ability of the mic.... when im talking on the phone and its pretty windy, the other person can still hear the noisy wind - i thought the HDR mic would cancel all that out...
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HDR means "High Dynamic Range". Microphones found in phones generally have a limited dynamic range: either they're good at picking up quiet sounds, but quickly start to distort if you're recording something loud, or they can handle loud noises but soft sounds aren't picked up at all. The current HTC One mic contains two separate membranes, one optimised for loud sounds and one for quiet, and switches automatically between them depending on the volume of what's being recorded. So you can (for example) record the sound at a rock concert without distortion, but also record someone talking. A non-HDR replacement mic will have to compromise between loud and quiet performance somehow.

Shasarak said:
HDR means "High Dynamic Range". Microphones found in phones generally have a limited dynamic range: either they're good at picking up quiet sounds, but quickly start to distort if you're recording something loud, or they can handle loud noises but soft sounds aren't picked up at all. The current HTC One mic contains two separate membranes, one optimised for loud sounds and one for quiet, and switches automatically between them depending on the volume of what's being recorded. So you can (for example) record the sound at a rock concert without distortion, but also record someone talking. A non-HDR replacement mic will have to compromise between loud and quiet performance somehow.
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so thats why they can still hear me clearly AND the wind...?
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tom369 said:
Thanks for the screenshot, so it's now clear it's been removed. I hope it will be back.
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correction:its still on the UK site ...ok it was a few minutes ago!

simba2585 said:
so thats why they can still hear me clearly AND the wind...?
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No, it's for helpful for example when you're at the concert and want to record a video.

Shows for me:
SOUND ENHANCEMENT
HTC BoomSound™
Dual frontal stereo speakers with built-in amplifiers
Studio-quality sound with Beats Audio™
HDR Microphone
Sense Voice

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No, it's for helpful for example when you're at the concert and want to record a video.
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ah right ok.
i recall reading a review, i think anandtechs or engadgets, where they mentioned that in a busy environment, near road works the other person couldnt hear anything at all other than the callers voice...
hence why i thought the HDR mic would cancel out the wind in a way.

Electronic Punk said:
Shows for me:
SOUND ENHANCEMENT
HTC BoomSound™
Dual frontal stereo speakers with built-in amplifiers
Studio-quality sound with Beats Audio™
HDR Microphone
Sense Voice
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Are you sure you're looking at the UK site? http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one/#specs ?
Maybe press CTRL + F5 when in the browser to refresh the page without the cache.

The-Last-Hylian said:
They'll have to have a certain amount in stock so that they can repair any handsets already supplied to the public I think...
Just noticed your location, Bangor in the UK?
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Yup. In Wales rather than Ireland
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simba2585 said:
ah right ok.
i recall reading a review, i think anandtechs or engadgets, where they mentioned that in a busy environment, near road works the other person couldnt hear anything at all other than the callers voice...
hence why i thought the HDR mic would cancel out the wind in a way.
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Wind noise is a bit different from traffic noise. The One has a double microphone, front and back - when noise reduction is active, anything where you get more or less the same sound in the back microphone as you do in the front is screened out, on the assumption that it must be background noise coming from a long way away. Anything that is mostly in the front mic (e.g. you speaking into it) is preserved. Unfortunately wind noise is caused by the wind blowing straight into the microphone and is directional, so you get different wind noises in the two different mics, and the noise reduction system doesn't recognise it as background.
The noise reduction system has absolutely nothing whatever to do with HDR. HDR is about being able to record both loud and soft sounds accurately. (And physically it's about two different membranes in one mic).

V30 B&O Headphones Viper4Android Preset

Just sharing my preset for the headphones we get out of the box. Quad DAC is disabled on my device.
Good for all around listening. Experience what those earbuds can actually do.
Extract to main directory.
Enjoy. Let me know what you think.

TheCoryGuy said:
Just sharing my preset for the headphones we get out of the box. Quad DAC is disabled on my device.
Good for all around listening. Experience what those earbuds can actually do.
Extract to main directory.
Enjoy. Let me know what you think.
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Out of curiosity why is the DAC disabled?

TheCoryGuy said:
Just sharing my preset for the headphones we get out of the box. Quad DAC is disabled on my device.
Good for all around listening. Experience what those earbuds can actually do.
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KUSOsan said:
Out of curiosity why is the DAC disabled?
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Yes, why is the Quad DAC disabled?
If you did it on purpose you're degrading the functionality of this phone. It means you're using the inferior Snapdragon DAC instead of the LG Quad DAC.

ChazzMatt said:
Yes, why is the Quad DAC disabled?
If you did it on purpose you're degrading the functionality of this phone. It means you're using the inferior Snapdragon DAC instead of the LG Quad DAC.
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I'm on an AOSP rom. Sorry for not specifying. Also from experimenting with stock, Quad DAC plus Viper drains the battery a bit

TheCoryGuy said:
I'm on an AOSP rom. Sorry for not specifying. Also from experimenting with stock, Quad DAC plus Viper drains the battery a bit
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There are two media player apps which can access the Quad DAC on AOSP ROMs.
One of them even works with streaming services :
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Added: USB Audio Player PRO to the first post
and practical proof/experience that it utilizes the quad dac on non-Stock ROMs (AEX, AOSP Extended as example)
PlayStore Link:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro
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It's a paid app. The other is free. I'll get the link for it in a few minutes...
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ChazzMatt said:
There are two media player apps which can access the Quad DAC on AOSP ROMs.
One of them even works with streaming services :
It's a paid app. The other is free. I'll get the link for it in a few minutes...
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the other one is Onkyo Player:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onkyo.jp.musicplayer&hl=en

ChazzMatt said:
Yes, why is the Quad DAC disabled?
If you did it on purpose you're degrading the functionality of this phone. It means you're using the inferior Snapdragon DAC instead of the LG Quad DAC.
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Actually it would not matter if the quad dac is enabled or not.
V4A will degrade audio quality no matter what.
V4A will down sample while the quad dac will try to up sample. At that point the quad dac will just act as an amp. Just head over to headfi for a much better explanation.
From various things I've read, if using V4A, it's actually better to turn off the quad dac which actually makes sense.
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BROKEN1981 said:
V4A will degrade audio quality no matter what.
V4A will down sample while the quad dac will try to up sample. At that point the quad dac will just act as an amp.
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No, I understand. I've mentioned it before how V4A downsamples to LOWER . But sometimes I get tired telling people they don't need to use past solutions -- like Viper -- when our hardware has now improved so much.
But now, it's like putting ketchup on a prime cut succulent steak. It's not needed. At the point, pouring ketchup on the meat is detracting from the flavor.
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On an older phone without quad dac, yeah. And I can understand the love people have for older solutions which helped, but they don't realize how advanced the quad DAC is. In one article, one audio expert was amazed at the sound of the LG V30 from the quad which rivalled a stereo component costing $35,000. "Wait..How much does that phone cost?" ($900 at the time, but now on eBay less than $300 for mint LV V30+.)
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Here's some quotes from a discussion about the same on the 2016 LG V20 which also has a quad DAC:
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Using Viper4Android on the LG V20 undoes all the magic the ESS DAC performs.. It downsamples the audio to 16-bit/48kHz after the ESS DAC has upsampled everything to 32-bit/192kHz
Viper4Android increases the audio quality on most (older?) phones. However it is going to decrease the quality on any device running a dedicated DAC.
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lyrical1278 said:
While you might disagree based on your opinion, the fact is Viper4Android does indeed downsample audio. Go back into that same headfi.org thread he mentions and there will be people who conducted tests that show that. You cannot get bit perfect audio quality out of V4A because the V4A driver downsamples (V4A doesn't support HiFi audio), the audio.
This is why I tend to stay away from V4A. Sure, it makes the audio "sound" better but you're running the audio through so much processing things will get lost. V4A is great for when you have devices without a dedicated DAC. But, if your phone has a dedicated DAC or you have a DAC connected via OTG, it's best to go without V4A
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lyrical1278 said:
Here is the thing, you're speaking to opinion. I'm speaking to technical fact. When you use V4A, any audio you use is merely being amplified by the DAC and not being processed by it.
So it does the only thing it can do, it downsamples (since it downsamples any audio above 16/44 by default anyway, whereas Android's mixer upsamples to the max capability of the DAC). I cannot speak to what you feel is dull and such. That's your truth based on your musical ears.
All I am saying is this, V4A is nothing more but an EQ. A VERY GOOD one at that. If I didn't have the V20 or the Dragonfly Black, I would still be using V4A. But I don't, because I have those tools at my disposal. Grab poweramp Alpha or Ainur and you will see the DAC come to life. V4A, and anything after this is my opinion, doesn't do anything close to what an app that lets the DAC do its job can do.
Installing V4A on this phone, again, my opinion is a waste of the full abilities of the DAC.. Using it just turns the DAC into an amplifier instead of allowing it to be the thing that processes audio IN ADDITION TO amplification.
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You guys can say what you want about upsampling or downsampling but in the end what matters is does it sound good and the combo of Viper and Dolby Atmos I have sounds the best to me. I bought a Michael Jackson collection album from HDtracks.com in 192/24 and it does sound freaking good but the majority of music I listen to I will not be able to find in a proper hires quality so the majority of music I have sounds better with Viper.
You guys gotta stop getting so caught up with the science behind it and just enjoy whatever sounds best to you. Experiment. That's why you are on an Android and on XDA

ChazzMatt said:
No, I understand. I've mentioned it before how V4A downsamples to LOWER . But sometimes I get tired telling people they don't need to use past solutions -- like Viper -- when our hardware has now improved so much.
But now, it's like putting ketchup on a prime cut succulent steak. It's not needed. At the point, pouring ketchup on the meat is detracting from the flavor.
On an older phone without quad dac, yeah. And I can understand the love people have for older solutions which helped, but they don't realize how advanced the quad DAC is. In one article, one audio expert was amazed at the sound of the LG V30 from the quad which rivalled a stereo component costing $35,000. "Wait..How much does that phone cost?" ($900 at the time, but now on eBay less than $300 for mint LV V30+.)
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Regarding whether the ess9218p dac can upsample to32/192 i cannot find any information, the chip can play a 24 bit flac without downsampling to 16 bit as in native android but playing a 16 bit mp3 will give an output of 16 bit.

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You guys can say what you want about upsampling or downsampling but in the end what matters is does it sound good and the combo of Viper and Dolby Atmos I have sounds the best to me. I bought a Michael Jackson collection album from HDtracks.com in 192/24 and it does sound freaking good but the majority of music I listen to I will not be able to find in a proper hires quality so the majority of music I have sounds better with Viper.
You guys gotta stop getting so caught up with the science behind it and just enjoy whatever sounds best to you. Experiment. That's why you are on an Android and on XDA
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What Dolby do u you use for LG v30?

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What Dolby do u you use for LG v30?
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I was using the newer one that specifically said nougat on Magisk but now I'm on Oreo so I guess Atmos is a bit trickier to get working with viper so haven't found one yet

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I was using the newer one that specifically said nougat on Magisk but now I'm on Oreo so I guess Atmos is a bit trickier to get working with viper so haven't found one yet
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On latest magisk manager search for Dolby and 3 optiond choose the oneplus X version it works and if your using viper as well download audio modification library

dami00976 said:
On latest magisk manager search for Dolby and 3 optiond choose the oneplus X version it works and if your using viper as well download audio modification library
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Cool thx. I did see that specific one said Oreo but I thought it was maybe just for one plus devices so I hadn't gotten around to checking it yet

Best headphones for the Poco

I have been using a set of iPhone earbuds and the volume is sooo low I can barely listen to any calls or even music outside of being alone in a very quite room...any ideas of anatomically shaped in-ear headphones that are REALLY LOUD?

axolotl98 said:
I have been using a set of iPhone earbuds and the volume is sooo low I can barely listen to any calls or even music outside of being alone in a very quite room...any ideas of anatomically shaped in-ear headphones that are REALLY LOUD?
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I have some QCY QS2 Bluetooth earbuds which I find myself recommending to anyone who'll listen
They're great, nice and loud and cheap enough (<€20) that you can lose one without heartbreak! Really good battery life too
I doubt they're the best you can get, but they're plenty good and good enough value that you're not afraid to use them

u can try ibasso it01 .. its good iem all around

I have done some research because my budget was 2000INR (28.17USD) and bought a SoundMagic E10C.
Very impressive, extremely balanced sound stage with enough emphasize on lows, mids, and highs. Braided cables. 3 button remote. Metal body. Fairly loud. You get a hard case, two adapters, 7 pairs of eartips including a double flange one. Really satisfied.
Another one I would recommend is Sennheiser 275s, don't own one, but good one, not as good as the above tho.

Shyxm said:
I have done some research because my budget was 2000INR (28.17USD) and bought a SoundMagic E10C.
Very impressive, extremely balanced sound stage with enough emphasize on lows, mids, and highs. Braided cables. 3 button remote. Metal body. Fairly loud. You get a hard case, two adapters, 7 pairs of eartips including a double flange one. Really satisfied.
Another one I would recommend is Sennheiser 275s, don't own one, but good one, not as good as the above tho.
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+1
I have been using SoundMagic E10C for a year now. Everything is awesome about these.

axolotl98 said:
I have been using a set of iPhone earbuds and the volume is sooo low I can barely listen to any calls or even music outside of being alone in a very quite room...any ideas of anatomically shaped in-ear headphones that are REALLY LOUD?
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It's all about the headphones' sensitivity - note that getting "really loud" (so "really sensitive") earphones is absolutely not a good idea for your ears - trust me, I already had problems with that, you don't want to listen to too high volumes. So what you need is a pair of headphones that go a comfortable level of volume.
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I have been using SoundMagic E10C for a year now. Everything is awesome about these.
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I agree with that, if you are on a tiny budget these are the best I ever tried.
If you have more budget and want headphones (not earphones) there is the Focal Listen Wireless which spends for 150/200 bucks with Bluetooth and a great isolation - so you won't need to push the volume very high. And still, it _can_ go very loud.
Hope that helped

Best Earphones to match with Pocophone
Try KZ-ZSN Pro or KZ-ZSN HiFi . Really suites the Pocophone and match it with a Ringke Case, The Earphone will mix with the design of Ringke Case:good::good::good:

I've tried several headphones with the F1 . Bose quite comforts , soundmagic E10 ,senheiser hd215 ,August Bluetooth headphones and none of them come close to the Tin Audio T2 hi-fi in ear headphones , they have better detail ,wider sound stage ,very loud and better more controlled bass . The only downside to them is the cable as it tends to tangle ,this can be upgraded as they have MMCX cable connections . They are £42 on Amazon .

Klipsch r6m

Buying good headphones is a nice idea but without V4A, they won't perform to their maximum.
Most users here know that.
I have JBL cs100si, sennheiser cx 180 street ii and boAt 900 wired headphone - all these sound good but with V4A they show what they are capable of.
As far as quality is concerned try and stay away from wireless stuff.
All the best :good: hunting for headphones.

axolotl98 said:
I have been using a set of iPhone earbuds and the volume is sooo low I can barely listen to any calls or even music outside of being alone in a very quite room...any ideas of anatomically shaped in-ear headphones that are REALLY LOUD?
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I use Yamaha EPH-M100 headphones quite loud sound, excellent bass

Sony XB400
If you don't mind wires around your neck.
Try Sony XB400. They are really good for the price point.
They will cost you around ₹3000 if they are on a sale.
The best parts are :-
12mm Drivers.
16 hours of continuous use.
Fast Charge.
Bluetooth 5.0
Works with any Assistant.
And generously good Quality.
I've slept on headphones and also slept while wearing them.
They have gone through a lot of tug and also been stretched many time but they just work fine.
You cannot get better quality at that price.

I am using the usb-c port for Bang&Olufsen Beoplay H3 with Sonata HD DAC Cable II which makes you audiophile crazy. With flac files the music is perfect
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Any planar headphone will be better than normal dynamics but it comes with a pricetag ofcourse )
Phone can drive the isine 10/20 (in ears) from Audeze
These are planar in ears if you want to go crazy with sound

What is v4a?

Pain'07 said:
What is v4a?
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Viper4Android

tiennhu89 said:
Viper4Android
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Highly recommended! You will not be disappointed!
The best headphones I found for my Poco are Shure SE846 ))))

virtos4 said:
Highly recommended! You will not be disappointed!
The best headphones I found for my Poco are Shure SE846 ))))
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~1000USD. I think its best for all phone. :laugh:

It is true V4A reduces audio limit to 16bit audiio playback?
Btw, i am using RHA650, that are working very good, but requires more burnin. For those who are not looking bass heavy earphones, this are best in budget.

wGRV said:
It is true V4A reduces audio limit to 16bit audiio playback?
Btw, i am using RHA650, that are working very good, but requires more burnin. For those who are not looking bass heavy earphones, this are best in budget.
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Yes that used to be the case with Poweramp earlier. Recently however it shows 24-bit 48kHz in Poweramp. Can't set anything higher than 48kHz.
In NeutronMP however 24-bit 384kHz is shown even with V4A active.
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rajeshkoshti said:
Buying good headphones is a nice idea but without V4A, they won't perform to their maximum.
Most users here know that.
I have JBL cs100si, sennheiser cx 180 street ii and boAt 900 wired headphone - all these sound good but with V4A they show what they are capable of.
As far as quality is concerned try and stay away from wireless stuff.
All the best :good: hunting for headphones.
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I have used V4A from the beginning primarily for its headphone-correction feature, namely Viper DDC. Didn't need to tweak anything else. However ever since crDroid's Q builds I find volume to have gone down quite a bit to the point that I really need to crank up the volume when using my Superlux HD681 EVO. In Pie ~85 was sufficient but in Q I need to set it at 92-98. For some tracks even that is not quite enough. For IEMs like Soundmagic E10C or ES18S no issues at all however. Any tweaks in V4A that can boost volume a bit w/o introducing noise? Thanks.