Isn't there anyone a bit worried about the high SAR value(radiation) of the s10?
Looking at the attached link, there are worse phones.
I haven't had any issues with my S8+, which is similar and both are within allowable limits.
https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model-sar/f0d64f1d
mab71 said:
Isn't there anyone a bit worried about the high SAR value(radiation) of the s10?
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This is directly from the FCC,
"ALL cell phones must meet the FCC’s RF exposure standard, which is set at a level well below that at which laboratory testing indicates, and medical and biological experts generally agree, adverse health effects could OCCUR."
Tel864 said:
This is directly from the FCC,
"ALL cell phones must meet the FCC’s RF exposure standard, which is set at a level well below that at which laboratory testing indicates, and medical and biological experts generally agree, adverse health effects could OCCUR."
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It must not be 1.6 and above... S10 is 1.5 something... Very near to 1.6... It's now like the oneplus and xiaomi phones. Very worrying trend... Samsung phones used to have the lowest values
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It must not be 1.6 and above... S10 is 1.5 something... Very near to 1.6... It's now like the oneplus and xiaomi phones. Very worrying trend... Samsung phones used to have the lowest values
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Worrying? Did you read the post by @Tel864? Level well below that causes health effects. We're fine.
Tel864 said:
This is directly from the FCC,
"ALL cell phones must meet the FCC’s RF exposure standard, which is set at a level well below that at which laboratory testing indicates, and medical and biological experts generally agree, adverse health effects could OCCUR."
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It must not be 1.6 and above... S10 is 1.5 something... Very near to 1.6... It's now like the oneplus and xiaomi phones. Very worrying trend... Samsung phones used to have the lowest values
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Are you vegan?
mab71 said:
It must not be 1.6 and above... S10 is 1.5 something... Very near to 1.6... It's now like the oneplus and xiaomi phones. Very worrying trend... Samsung phones used to have the lowest values
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Hold your breath there is carbon monoxide in the air, brace yourself for 5G, oh and the zombie apocalypse is coming
Seriously yes we are living in a toxic world, adapt we must.....
mab71 said:
It must not be 1.6 and above... S10 is 1.5 something... Very near to 1.6... It's now like the oneplus and xiaomi phones. Very worrying trend... Samsung phones used to have the lowest values
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Keep in mind that those values are from tests conducted on mice and according to some experts, you would have to keep the phone to your ear 10 hours a day for months to even have a chance of getting harmful radiation.
One warning though, I would keep you mouse off the phone as much a possible because we know how they love to talk.
Tel864 said:
Keep in mind that those values are from tests conducted on mice and according to some experts, you would have to keep the phone to your ear 10 hours a day for months to even have a chance of getting harmful radiation.
One warning though, I would keep you mouse off the phone as much a possible because we know how they love to talk.
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Any link to verify this?
Non ionizing radiation, yeah not concerned. The only way cellular radiation hurts you is the warning it can cause, and the power levels needed are orders of magnitude larger to appreciably raise your tissues temperature.
I think u guys don't know about the exynos versions... All of them have near the limit values..
European Union - 2.0
US - 1.6
If the numbers bother you then don't buy the phone. It's been deemed safe because those numbers are well below the danger levels. If the phone is taped to your head then you have a problem, if not, the sky isn't falling and the phone is safe.
Tel864 said:
European Union - 2.0
US - 1.6
If the numbers bother you then don't buy the phone. It's been deemed safe because those numbers are well below the danger levels. If the phone is taped to your head then you have a problem, if not, the sky isn't falling and the phone is safe.
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U act as if u know everything... The radiation levels indicated are not only for head but also body distance from the phone.. So if people play games for hours or put the phone in their pockets for a long time there is bound to be some effect.
Nobody's asking u not to buy the phone... It's your head and body. No need to talk about the sky falling.
mab71 said:
U act as if u know everything... The radiation levels indicated are not only for head but also body distance from the phone.. So if people play games for hours or put the phone in their pockets for a long time there is bound to be some effect.
Nobody's asking u not to buy the phone... It's your head and body. No need to talk about the sky falling.
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But again, it's non-ionizing radiation. You would get more of this type of radiation living close to an airport than having the phone in your pocket.
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I think u guys don't know about the exynos versions... All of them have near the limit values..
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I was surprised to see this but to my another surprise huawei is doing so good with huawei mate 20 pro with sar value of head:0.40, body:0.96
Even the p30 pro has head:0.67, body:0.99 which is well below the limit. Samsung is just getting greedy their phones have head sar low but body sar is way too high.
Looking forward to s11, note 10, mate 30 pro
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U act as if u know everything... The radiation levels indicated are not only for head but also body distance from the phone.. So if people play games for hours or put the phone in their pockets for a long time there is bound to be some effect.
Nobody's asking u not to buy the phone... It's your head and body. No need to talk about the sky falling.
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100% agree :good:
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Is it possible to make a program for motorcycling, to see your actual bank and save the highest value?
I would pay 15 Euros for such a programm!
mathiaspe said:
Is it possible to make a program for motorcycling, to see your actual bank and save the highest value?
I would pay 15 Euros for such a programm!
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are you talking about recording speed/distance with gps? If so, you can try run.gps at:www.rungps.net.
I think by bank he means how far the bik leans over to one side. I think this would be pretty tricky as you'd probably have to mount the phone in the centre of the bike and then calibrate it, it would probably have to know how high it was off the ground too.
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I think by bank he means how far the bik leans over to one side. I think this would be pretty tricky as you'd probably have to mount the phone in the centre of the bike and then calibrate it, it would probably have to know how high it was off the ground too.
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Not to mention that centripedal en centrifugal are in balance (hence the bike doesn't fall in or out of the corner) , so the Gsensor would read a center position...
But it would be pretty cool.
Lets try to get a bigger lean angle than Nicky Hayden.
Grtz H5N1_NL (aka mrZX7R)
If i were you I wouldnt be relying on the gsensor in a phone to stop you from crashing your bike. Using it as a water level or a lightsaber for fun makes sense, but using it to actually decide how far you lean your bike sounds a somewhat dangerous. I as a software writer wouldn't write anything like this knowing it could put people in danger
Wouldn't mind seeing an app that could measure the G forces when going around corners like some of those expensive sports cars can and could save the biggest G.
On screen you would have a big display showing the live G force with a smaller one next to it showing the biggest G at the time, could be a fun app.
I've never been one to buy into the cancer causing aspect of mobile phones, but after recently seeing the City of San Francisco pass a law requiring cell phones show there radiation output it got me thinking .
How much radiation does the N1 put out? How is that in comparison to other phones? Do smart phones put out higher amounts of radiation?
My biggest concern, and what got me thinking was the fact that until 6 mos. or so ago, I only had the phone near my head on the occasional phone call (duh).
But now I have a Nexus dock that I use as my alarm/bedside clock. This thing sits near my head 7-8 hrs every single night running bluetooth, etc.
Is there legitimate reason for concern?
I realize this should prolly go in the overall General thread, but I'm never up there and I'm mostly curious about the N1's radiation while using the desktop dock.
grb said:
I've never been one to buy into the cancer causing aspect of mobile phones, but after recently seeing the City of San Francisco pass a law requiring cell phones show there radiation output it got me thinking .
How much radiation does the N1 put out? How is that in comparison to other phones? Do smart phones put out higher amounts of radiation?
My biggest concern, and what got me thinking was the fact that until 6 mos. or so ago, I only had the phone near my head on the occasional phone call (duh).
But now I have a Nexus dock that I use as my alarm/bedside clock. This thing sits near my head 7-8 hrs every single night running bluetooth, etc.
Is there legitimate reason for concern?
I realize this should prolly go in the overall General thread, but I'm never up there and I'm mostly curious about the N1's radiation while using the desktop dock.
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If you're so worried. Move to a cave dude. Do you know how many "wireless" signals and radio transmissions there are in a city?
23548723958723985729837652983572 to be precise.
Why don't you get a Geiger Counter if you're that paranoid?
wait, every phone goes thru FCC testing and given a SAR's rating, and this info is available for every phone on the market. the nexus was rather low at around 0.7 if i remember. what is this radiation thing that san francisco is asking for? i thought it would be the same thing.
for more info on radiation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health
list of highest radiation phones:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6602_7-5020357-1.html
FCC says SAR is 0.37 head / 0.74 Body W/Kg for 1gram on GSM.
international standards use 2grams which would make it max at 1.39. The US max is 1.6
geiger meter isnt going to help -_-
what is this radiation thing that san francisco is asking for?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/us/16cell.html
It's just simply a law that will require all retailers to display the amount of radiation each phone emits.
If you're so worried. Move to a cave dude. Do you know how many "wireless" signals and radio transmissions there are in a city?
23548723958723985729837652983572 to be precise.
Why don't you get a Geiger Counter if you're that paranoid?
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Easy Tiger, I'm not paranoid, just asking a question that I'm sure others have more knowledge about than I do.
And thanks to flybyme's helpful cnet link I found this piece of information:
If you're concerned about limiting your SAR exposure, you can take a few easy steps beyond purchasing a handset with a low SAR. You can text instead placing a voice call, use a speakerphone whenever possible, and carry your phone at least one inch from your body. Some researchers also caution against using your phone in areas with poor coverage since phones emit more radiation when searching for a signal. Children, which have smaller and thinner skulls, should limit cell phone use, and all users, children and adults, should not sleep with an active phone next to their bedside or under their pillow.
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plus, dont mobile phones emit the msot radiation when you're in a call?otherwise, when its standby all its doing is jus in the bath of EM waves that we all are in...
Did you not read the study that stated phone radiation actuality reduces the chances of developing Alzheimer's?
http://arstechnica.com/science/news...tion-may-show-reduced-alzheimers-symptoms.ars
Look there's even a picture of the N1 there. Look on PubMed or something for a definitive study.
Antiskunk said:
Did you not read the study that stated phone radiation actuality reduces the chances of developing Alzheimer's?
http://arstechnica.com/science/news...tion-may-show-reduced-alzheimers-symptoms.ars
Look there's even a picture of the N1 there. Look on PubMed or something for a definitive study.
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Yeah, and the fact that using a handphone also makes you smarter compared to those who don't use one.
Saw this article in my Google feed, I think it's worth sharing
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/08...ones-emitting-high-radiation-as-per-a-report/
Lol.
I mean I dont use my phone for calling (which is weird), so the radiation level shouldnt be too high for me
And if I am calling someone I always speak to other people on speaker.
I think that they dont care about optimizing the protection because it would cost money.
But what do I really know
I don't worry about it, since I use hands free or BT 99.99% of the time.
Plus, some of those SAR graphs are a bit out of line with reality.
I'm worried as well. Enough to switch to Note 9.
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Not too worries. Very small amount if those readings are accurate and there are a hundred of things that could kill me at any moment when I step out of the house.
Is this only for phone calls?
Lol this is funny
You've ever thought of the radiation of lightbulbs and neonlights? Now there's an issue that should make you worry. What about the electronic ignition and injection of your car? You're sitting right next to it!
Or... relax! It's the same radio waves that are surrounding us all day, anywhere you go. Stop the hysteria
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You've ever thought of the radiation of lightbulbs and neonlights? Now there's an issue that should make you worry. What about the electronic ignition and injection of your car? You're sitting right next to it!
Or... relax! It's the same radio waves that are surrounding us all day, anywhere you go. Stop the hysteria
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I agree.
From the article.
"German certification for environmental friendliness only permits phones with 0.60 or less SAR value. That puts every phone in the above list under a red flag."
That includes the iPhone.
But like a previous poster said.
I rarely keep the phone on my body.
When I'm talking it's usually over BT. Has the OP looked into radiation of BT headsets? Just say'n.
But for my it's BT in the car.
As a kid, I sat in front of CRT televisions.
I used oscilloscopes with CRT displays.
I used old fashioned walkie talkies.
I think there are bigger things to worry about.
Eh, I've lived long enough.
I used my first Motorola cellphone back to 1993. You know the big thing like a brick. At that time, cellphones were mainly to calls. I never felt any uncomfortable at all.
Let it be.
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Zero f***s given here about all of this.
lolwut
OnePlus 5, 5T, 6 and 6T are all in the list, pretty poor.
MarcoLK said:
Lol. I think that they dont care about optimizing the protection because it would cost money. But what do I really know
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Skimping everywhere possible.
Sure, there are iPhones in the list but not flagship models. Interesting that there are no Samsung phones listed and also interesting to see the Pixel 3 making an appearance.
Basically the list is full of cheap a$$ hardware.
It may not be a deal breaker but if there are 2 equivalent phones and one has a lower radiation level I will choose it and I think it speaks to the overall quality of the product.
Who needs some tinfoil?
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OnePlus 5, 5T, 6 and 6T are all in the list, pretty poor.
Skimping everywhere possible.
Sure, there are iPhones in the list but not flagship models. Interesting that there are no Samsung phones listed and also interesting to see the Pixel 3 making an appearance.
Basically the list is full of cheap a$$ hardware.
It may not be a deal breaker but if there are 2 equivalent phones and one has a lower radiation level I will choose it and I think it speaks to the overall quality of the product.
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Agree with that, i don't care much about radiation level but seeing it's all the low quality phone that are on the top of the list and mostly samsung phone on the very end, i think it says a lot.
this is weird by the way because i live in poor signal reception area and all the xiaomi, oneplus i had had all a lot of difficulty to connect to the network, when on the other hand most of the samsung i had managed to works much better.
I haven't had a good laugh in a while, thanks OP.
Lebrun213 said:
this is weird by the way because i live in poor signal reception area and all the xiaomi, oneplus i had had all a lot of difficulty to connect to the network, when on the other hand most of the samsung i had managed to works much better.
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I was recently in a poor signal area in Bali, I had my OP6T and the person I was with had a Note 8, both had the same simcards in them and my OP6T struggled to get any reception whereas the Note 8 was consistently better, still poor but better and at least it was usable usable.
Disappointing really, if we are going to be irradiated we should at least get kiss ass reception.
Hubird said:
I was recently in a poor signal area in Bali, I had my OP6T and the person I was with had a Note 8, both had the same simcards in them and my OP6T struggled to get any reception whereas the Note 8 was consistently better, still poor but better and at least it was usable usable.
Disappointing really, if we are going to be irradiated we should at least get kiss ass reception.
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agree, that's why i found it to be weird.
Chinese using cheap ass antenna, it's legit because we all know they got to cut cost one way or another but then why does it irradiate more ?
i wish there were samsung quality phone with oneplus rom on that, would be perfect device
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Hi,
I activated my newly purchased device on feb 27th. Now I want to activate a phone protection..
Im on Verizon wireless network. Which is better? Samsung care or Verizon phone protection?
In case of loss, damage and so on.
I live in FL if it matters
Thanks!!
uniQ_87 said:
Hi,
I activated my newly purchased device on feb 27th. Now I want to activate a phone protection..
Im on Verizon wireless network. Which is better? Samsung care or Verizon phone protection?
In case of loss, damage and so on.
I live in FL if it matters
Thanks!!
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As I do have neither Samsung care not Verizon phone protection, I recommend to compare the features/benefits/conditions and price of both programs.
Like comparing two different insurance.
Get a good case regardless because you will lose if you damage it even with insurance.
Insurance is nice if it gets run over, stolen, etc.
For small stuff like batteries not useful at all.
blackhawk said:
Get a good case regardless because you will lose if you damage it even with insurance.
Insurance is nice if it gets run over, stolen, etc.
For small stuff like batteries not useful at all.
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Well for small damage as well ,
You can always increase the damage by yourself ( throw it down from 10th floor )
And get it replaced under insurance even if actually there was a small crack
aj7400 said:
Well for small damage as well ,
You can always increase the damage by yourself ( throw it down from 10th floor )
And get it replaced under insurance even if actually there was a small crack
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Except the word is "replacement" as opposed to a "new phone".
My N10+ is in excellent condition. No way I want to trade some refurbished reject for it.
Lol, 1-5 seconds in the microwave should do the trick. Yeah it was a lightning strike, yeah that's what it was... getting a good case is easier.
blackhawk said:
Except the word is "replacement" as opposed to a "new phone".
My N10+ is in excellent condition. No way I want to trade some refurbished reject for it.
Lol, 1-5 seconds in the microwave should do the trick. Yeah it was a lightning strike, yeah that's what it was... getting a good case is easier.
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I dont think samsung would give you a refurb.
Samsung and apple do provide proper replacements
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I dont think samsung would give you a refurb.
Samsung and apple do provide proper replacements
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I like to see that in writing
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I like to see that in writing
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I have been on apple from last few years and all it took was 30 usd to get it replaced for a brand new one . ( in warranty - no breakage - no insurance )
If u have insurance , you might feel secured .
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I have been on apple from last few years and all it took was 30 usd to get it replaced for a brand new one . ( in warranty - no breakage - no insurance )
If u have insurance , you might feel secured .
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Not bad.
I still would use a case... but maybe not for an Apple
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Not bad.
I still would use a case... but maybe not for an Apple
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If you are not doing much on your phone . I dont think anybody can beat apple in terms of quality and service .
But this 120hz has spoiled me .
Apple iphone 12 pro now looks laggy
aj7400 said:
If you are not doing much on your phone . I dont think anybody can beat apple in terms of quality and service .
But this 120hz has spoiled me .
Apple iphone 12 pro now looks laggy
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With the Note 10+ I'm still at 60hz. Maybe 120hz would ruin me...
I've used Apples, they run well but no customization one size all, bright pastel hell.
I especially loathed the settings layout and all the restrictions on apps. Their overpriced memory also grates on my nerves.
The killer is I demand a SD card slot or second onboard hdd on all my phones, PCs and laptops. I always set up a OS/programs drive and at least one data drive.
Because of this my 10+ is completely self sufficient, no external data needed for a complete restore after a factory reset. With 340+ gb of data there's no way I want to have upload all of that for a reload even if the phone had enough internal memory.
I'll keep running 10+s for this feature and to stay on Pie for as long as I need to. That might be years because Android 10, 11 (and presumably 12 will too) suck that bad. Samsung offerings after the N10U so far have cratered as well.
2 wrongs don't make a right...
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With the Note 10+ I'm still at 60hz. Maybe 120hz would ruin me...
I've used Apples, they run well but no customization one size all, bright pastel hell.
I especially loathed the settings layout and all the restrictions on apps. Their overpriced memory also grates on my nerves.
The killer is I demand a SD card slot or second onboard hdd on all my phones, PCs and laptops. I always set up a OS/programs drive and at least one data drive.
Because of this my 10+ is completely self sufficient, no external data needed for a complete restore after a factory reset. With 340+ gb of data there's no way I want to have upload all of that for a reload even if the phone had enough internal memory.
I'll keep running 10+s for this feature and to stay on Pie for as long as I need to. That might be years because Android 10, 11 (and presumably 12 will too) suck that bad. Samsung offerings after the N10U so far have cratered as well.
2 wrongs don't make a right...
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Gpu on androids is bad even on sd888 as compared to a14 .
Bad luck my friend , you wont get a sd card when you upgrade from your note now .
I dont think in future u will get a sd card
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Gpu on androids is bad even on sd888 as compared to a14 .
Bad luck my friend , you wont get a sd card when you upgrade from your note now .
I dont think in future u will get a sd card
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Can't comment on Apple vs Android GPUs. My current one does all that it needs too including the few games I play; zero issues.
I will always have my SD card... but the manufacturers may not always have a customer.
As is I can remain static for the next 3-5 years if need be. The phone manufacturers don't have that luxury. Tough.
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Can't comment on Apple vs Android GPUs. My current one does all that it needs too including the few games I play; zero issues.
I will always have my SD card... but the manufacturers may not always have a customer.
As is I can remain static for the next 3-5 years if need be. The phone manufacturers don't have that luxury. Tough.
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I change my phone every year basically just to try the new cpu and new features .
Apple is the only device i stayed with for 2 years because i didnt feel the need to .
Android cpu's are hyped , i may get the new s22 or oneplus 10 may be if the s21 ultra hangs or heats up in future
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I change my phone every year basically just to try the new cpu and new features .
Apple is the only device i stayed with for 2 years because i didnt feel the need to .
Android cpu's are hyped , i may get the new s22 or oneplus 10 may be if the s21 ultra hangs or heats up in future
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The N20U has the newer, faster, more efficient memory running on the less offensive Q OS.
Unfortunately scope storage and lack of overlay support offsets any RAM or CPU gains.
The 10+ remains a fast, very stable platform that fulfills its mission completely. There's little if any incentive for me to "upgrade".
Zero time wasting learning curves.
Worse Samsung seems to be reverting to the dog balls ugly rounded corner displays that I completely loathe.
I still run XPx64 and W7 as well with no intention of upgrading the OSs as they fulfill their mission as well.
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The N20U has the newer, faster, more efficient memory running on the less offensive Q OS.
Unfortunately scope storage and lack of overlay support offsets any RAM or CPU gains.
The 10+ remains a fast, very stable platform that fulfills its mission completely. There's little if any incentive for me to "upgrade".
Zero time wasting learning curves.
Worse Samsung seems to be reverting to the dog balls ugly rounded corner displays that I completely loathe.
I still run XPx64 and W7 as well with no intention of upgrading the OSs as they fulfill their mission as well.
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Its bcoz you may be havent tried the new things yet .
Rounded displays are not my concern .
I am more interested in faster cpu gpu and a better software
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Its bcoz you may be havent tried the new things yet .
Rounded displays are not my concern .
I am more interested in faster cpu gpu and a better software
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I see nothing better about Q or 11, just the opposite. Google has a habit of screwing good things up... it's their nature. They don't understand the concepts of being conservative. They are therefore uselessly and wantonly wasteful. Worse they try to waste my time as well as my device resources.
-No-
The poor Q and 11 adaptation rates from Pie clearly illustrates the current disgust of the Google consumers (or products as is the case).
I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
I am planning to buy the s21 ultra over the OnePlus 9 pro just because I am getting it at the same price as OnePlus 9 pro ,
Also the software on OnePlus is always going to be buggy and an update to fix one issue will create more bugs .
aj7400 said:
I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
Beefheart said:
After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
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What's the ambient temperature in your area?
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What's the ambient temperature in your area?
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Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
Beefheart said:
Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
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I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
aj7400 said:
I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
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You say even Apple iPhones but they're dogs**t when it comes to thermal dissipation, in particular the more recent ones.
All I can say is that this phone is no worse than any others I've had when it comes to thermals, and seems to be better than most of them.
After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
babyboy3265 said:
After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
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In india there is nothing as return ..
Once paid the device is yours till it has some major issues and they are just repaired ,
Unfortunately We cannot return it for a refund here in india .
That is why thinking twice before buying .
I have no overheating problems with my Exynos unit. Phone idles at around 25-30degC.
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
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I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
Should wait for the xiaomi's launch today?
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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Berserker900 said:
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
Beefheart said:
That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
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Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
JerryRigEverything did a teardown, but it's the SD varient. I'm not sure if the cooling solution on Exynos differs.
aj7400 said:
Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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I am getting the s21 u e2100 today .. let's hope I get a good silicon compared to what some people have got
I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better. Luckily for us on this particular thread, we probably don't run into the aforementioned issues as we're likely all people who actually know how to use, care for and optimize a damn smart phone lol.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
*Edit* - To respond to @aj7400 without wasting more post space :
The US isn't really a particularly cold area. It's just a much bigger area. So there are certainly some states where the temperature stays cold for a while... But there are tons of other places where it stays over 23°C all year round (and a few states where it stays above 33°C all year). So overall, I still believe that these issues are just coming up due to a severe lack of knowledge =(. But the good thing for you is that you actually appear to know what the deal is, hence why you're here on XDA. Thanks for being here =). But ya see what I mean? You were aware of the slightly warmer temperature of the S21U and you were aware of the fact that you live in a hot area. Therefore, you're not constantly complaining about the phone being borked out of the box, but instead, you're looking for potential solutions. Kudos!
NippleSauce said:
I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
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That's allright ,
But imo apple is from day 1 producing good chips and their optimization is top notch ,
And samsung in US is just offering Snapdragon .
That's the main reason people are not complaining about both , and they don't care what are the specs in their phone .
Also US is a relatively cold area so not much is going around throttling issues .
I live in india where highest temps reach 45°C , where the real problem of thermal throttling arise .
So I care much about these things .