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Default Samsung messages app is hijacking my incoming text messages

I noticed today that I had a total of 12 messages that were in the Samsung messages app that never arrived to my default app (google messages). Also noticed when I'm doing verification text from PayPal and cash app they arrive in the Samsung messages app instead of my default app. Has anyone else seen this before?
I had a total of 12 messages from customers that never arrived to my default Google messages.

No I haven't. I use Google Messages and get all my texts. SMS permissions are on in Messages's app settings aren't they?

All permissions are turned on, it only happens with certain senders and paypal / cash app. I tested with my wife's s8 on same thing happens with PayPal.

I couldn't use my 3rd party SMS app at all. When I chose it as the new default, I got an OS level warning that it was unsupported and I might not get SMS as a result. Sure enough, it didn't work at all so I had to revert to the (terrible) Samsung app. Pretty crappy lock-in, especially if you have a database of old SMS from a 3rd party app you wanted to restore.

Haven't seen that before. I'm using Google Messages with RCS activated

mikemmva said:
I noticed today that I had a total of 12 messages that were in the Samsung messages app that never arrived to my default app (google messages). Also noticed when I'm doing verification text from PayPal and cash app they arrive in the Samsung messages app instead of my default app. Has anyone else seen this before?
I had a total of 12 messages from customers that never arrived to my default Google messages.
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I wonder what would happen if you used something like CCSWE and disabled Samsung Messaging.

So is this a real thing? I want to pick up an s10 today but don’t want that crap happening

Hundreds or thousands of people have seen this thread, nobody has tossed out a "me too"... I think you're safe.

Having an issue as well with Android Messenger, it refuses to send from Sim 2 but can receive messages. For some reason the Samsung Messenger no matter how much you shut off refuses to release itself. I despise Samsung Messenger , in fact I despise all the Samsung apps.

Question Google Messages vs Samsung Messages? Which to keep

I've seen some threads asking about the google messages apk. but my question is:
My s21 ultra came with google messages by default as SMS app, I also have the Samsung messages app installed (I set it as default instead of the google messages app).
Is there a reason for the google messages app to have come as default? Are there any advantages to it?
p.s. I didn't really find the exact answer around the forum, if there is such answer, can you please point me to it and close this thread?
Regards

joancolmenares said:
I've seen some threads asking about the google messages apk. but my question is:
My s21 ultra came with google messages by default as SMS app, I also have the Samsung messages app installed (I set it as default instead of the google messages app).
Is there a reason for the google messages app to have come as default? Are there any advantages to it?
p.s. I didn't really find the exact answer around the forum, if there is such answer, can you please point me to it and close this thread?
Regards
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I like google messages mainly for the good integration of RCS and also because it has a web app. The UI is fine, darkmode is cool, so if I had to choose I'd go for Google.
Now on why it's google messages by default, I have no clue...

Personally, I like Google Messages, but Samsung Messages now has RCS too I believe. It just got it recently. But from what I've seen and used, Google Messages is probably the way to go. It's just a better experience overall. It can verify business senders, help you report spam messages, and also just a couple of different things that are convenient, like what Raiz mentioned above. I'd go back to Google if you want something that works better overall.

Thanks mates!
Will switch back to Google/Android Messages and test it out a bit more

I use Messages, the only AT&T bloatware app I use.
Edit, it's Samsung not AT&T

Here I am still using Textra lol

Google messages far superior easier to use, much easier adding gifs, emojis and attachments.

I use Google Messages it's really nice and simple to use.

Wish you could uninstall the samsung contacts, calendar, calc, clock, messages, phone etc.... it's the one thing that irritates me with samsung that they spend all this effort replicating what google already does a perfectly good job of.

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Wish you could uninstall the samsung contacts, calendar, calc, clock, messages, phone etc.... it's the one thing that irritates me with samsung that they spend all this effort replicating what google already does a perfectly good job of.
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You can remove using the adb commands. You can find the package name by using the apk analyzer app.

I was using Google Messages on my previous device, but with the S21 I couldn't set conversations to be mute (roaming messages i receive daily on my 2nd sim).
I can only make the notification silent for that conversation, but I don't even want the notification, which I cannot do.
Samsung Messages have this ability

I use signal. Better than both, has everything plus security and privacy.

S10Plus said:
You can remove using the adb commands. You can find the package name by using the apk analyzer app.
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Been out of the game for a long time. You can do this without root?

thacounty said:
Been out of the game for a long time. You can do this without root?
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Well you can hide apps from the main user (you) with this trick but you can't actually delete the apk file from /system unless you have root.

I personally prefer Samsung messaging app, mainly because of the its UI.
However, the main advantage of Google messages is the availability of RCS by default, no matter where you live or which carrier you have. You can have RCS with Samsung messages but only if your carrier supports it.

mcbyte_it said:
I was using Google Messages on my previous device, but with the S21 I couldn't set conversations to be mute (roaming messages i receive daily on my 2nd sim).
I can only make the notification silent for that conversation, but I don't even want the notification, which I cannot do.
Samsung Messages have this ability
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Ah, really? I haven't had that problem with my S21U whilst using Google Messages. How were you trying to mute them?

NippleSauce said:
Ah, really? I haven't had that problem with my S21U whilst using Google Messages. How were you trying to mute them?
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In Samsung Messenger the no notifications option (bell icon with a bar on it) will not even show a notification in the Android notifications area (When I open Messages I will see there is unread messages in the silent conversation), while Google Messages it will still show a notification but without sound.

I use Google Messages because for some reason, MMS won't send or receive in Samsung Messeges.
If anyone has a fix for this....

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Wish you could uninstall the samsung contacts, calendar, calc, clock, messages, phone etc.... it's the one thing that irritates me with samsung that they spend all this effort replicating what google already does a perfectly good job of.
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IMO... Google doesn't really do a good job with most things other than its search algorithms, ad monopoly and data rape....

whitehawk66 said:
IMO... Google doesn't really do a good job with most things other than its search algorithms, ad monopoly and data rape....
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Exactly, especially their UI. I have a pixel phone and many years after the launch of material design Google still doesn't use it in all its apps. The apps feels completely separate, each has it's ow design and colors. Some apps have dark mode with full black background (setting app) while others have dark gray background (contacts, messages,...). Let's not talk about YouTube, which still doesn't follow MD 2...
I like how samsung use the same design language for all its apps and they pay particular attention to small details just like IOS

Question RCS not working verizon S21 ultra

So I used smart switch and copied my pixel 4 over to my s21 ultra everything worked fine rcs using the Google message app. Had to get a replacement s21 (wouldn't hold a signal) after transferring from old s21 to the new s21 rcs stopped working and now when I enable chat in Google message it hangs on verifying phone number and doesn't do anything in samsung messages. Anyone have this working on verizon?

That's the same issue I ran into. What worked for me was to uninstall the app. Switch your default back to the same sing app or Verizon Messaging app. I redownloading the Google messaging app and made it my default. I activated the chat features and let it do it's own thing. For me after about 5-6 hours the servers confirmed and I was able to use RCS functionality.
Also in Settings, wifi, more connections I be set up a private dns; the same one I was using on my pixel.... dns.google

mprunty said:
That's the same issue I ran into. What worked for me was to uninstall the app. Switch your default back to the same sing app or Verizon Messaging app. I redownloading the Google messaging app and made it my default. I activated the chat features and let it do it's own thing. For me after about 5-6 hours the servers confirmed and I was able to use RCS functionality.
Also in Settings, wifi, more connections I be set up a private dns; the same one I was using on my pixel.... dns.google
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Do you have carrier services installed?

Yes I do

Mine just sticks at trying to verify phone number

Been going crazy for 3 days trying everything from here to next Sunday! I read what dude said about uninstalling and going back to Verizon messaging app as default and reinstall Google messages and then make it your default again and it worked right away without a hitch! Thanks so much was going ****ing crazy!

Question Google RCS paired with Samsung Messages

Hey all! Just wondering if anyone has figured out how to enable the Google RCS setup inside the Samsung Messages app for the snapdragon variants? I've used just the built-in activity launcher with nova to dissect the app a little and it's got quite a few built in options. Just curious if anyone was able to make it work in the US. So far I've only seen people from Europe get access.

Download https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rrivenllc.shieldx&hl=en&gl=US
Create an account
Enable device admin & knox
Go to app manager
look for IMS Settings
Open the mainactivity
Look for the RCS options there and enable it including its features.
Sorry I can't be specific with the instructions since I don't have my phone at the moment but just try it.

Riyal said:
Download https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rrivenllc.shieldx&hl=en&gl=US
Create an account
Enable device admin & knox
Go to app manager
look for IMS Settings
Open the mainactivity
Look for the RCS options there and enable it including its features.
so under RCS Config. mine says RCS Home Preference = Always connect, RCS Roaming Pre = Always connect?? it was already defaulted to this. does it mean that it should already work? doesn't seem like it thoug.??
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Hi sorry for the late reply.
From IMS Settings go to IMS Service Switch and enable RCS Switch and all the RCS sub section toggles at the bottom. And do that on both sim slots. You can switch by clicking the sim slot # at the upper right corner of the screen.

I've been struggling with RCS since I got the S21U, I can connect to both the Google messages app and the Samsung default app, but the RCS switches (main and sub-switches) on the IMS settings app won't stay turned on, as soon as I leave the page they turn to gray.
I've got all the multimedia telephony flags on and all are working fine, just the RCS flags won't stay up.

inpression said:
I've been struggling with RCS since I got the S21U, I can connect to both the Google messages app and the Samsung default app, but the RCS switches (main and sub-switches) on the IMS settings app won't stay turned on, as soon as I leave the page they turn to gray.
I've got all the multimedia telephony flags on and all are working fine, just the RCS flags won't stay up.
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S21U Unlocked straight from Samsung.
RCS stuck in verifying.
I just turned it off.
I'll wait for Google to get its act together on this.
WhatsApp "just works".

nixnixnixnix4 said:
S21U Unlocked straight from Samsung.
RCS stuck in verifying.
I just turned it off.
I'll wait for Google to get its act together on this.
WhatsApp "just works".
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I don't think you understood my problem, RCS in google messages says connected, except I don't really have chat features. I can connect to Samsung messages too, but it still won't use chat features.
My problem is with the RCS flag on the IMS settings page, it won't stay on, I turn it on, simply switch SIM card from 1 to 2 to 1 and it's gray again. Everything else on the IMS settings is turned on and working, just the RCS flags won't stay on.

inpression said:
IMS settings page
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Where is this thing you speak of?

The IMS settings page that used to be accessible through the messages app activities, now you have to use something like alliance shield x unless you're rooted.

I installed Google Messages and Carrier Services , chat connected and google messages works with all the RCS features.

dpw2atox said:
I installed Google Messages and Carrier Services , chat connected and google messages works with all the RCS features.
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In the US?
Well, you shouldn't have to install Carrier Services on a Samsung device. They manage that themselves.

Yea in the US, i wasn't aware of that part about carrier services though, I know it was needed on my pixel so I assumed it was needed on this as well.

I have a US S21U unlocked from direct from Samsung. I'm using Google messages. Most of my friends use iPhones, so I don't normally have an opportunity to test RCS. But a friend recently got a T-Mobile S21U, he's not a technical person, so I expect he's using whatever message app the carrier models default to, not sure if that's Samsung or Google. RCS just works between me & him.

I cant force them to work, google app stuck on veryfing number, samsung messages keep saying registration failed. Nice,

joloxx9joloxx9 said:
I cant force them to work, google app stuck on veryfing number, samsung messages keep saying registration failed. Nice,
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I'm facing the same issue.
I had it working and then it stopped working.
Try the RCS de-register thing. Disable RCS and then wait a week or so and then try again.
You can also try to call your carrier. I'll try that later as well.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
I'm facing the same issue.
I had it working and then it stopped working.
Try the RCS de-register thing. Disable RCS and then wait a week or so and then try again.
You can also try to call your carrier. I'll try that later as well.
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Well, do not need it much... Just tried on my wife's s21 and same, clicked register and it went gray

joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Well, do not need it much... Just tried on my wife's s21 and same, clicked register and it went gray
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What carrier?

nixnixnixnix4 said:
What carrier?
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Ee, managed to sort this out on my phone by after 100 times, but can't force it to work on my wife's s21. I thought it is not carrier relevant as it is goun through Google servers?

joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Ee, managed to sort this out on my phone by after 100 times, but can't force it to work on my wife's s21. I thought it is not carrier relevant as it is goun through Google servers?
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Same here. But, it ain't working for me here in the US either.
It was working for a short time but then it stopped.
May have been something I did.

Try this: https://messages.google.com/disable-chat
Then, re-register.

Question Google Message RCS

This may be a longshot, but does anyone know if RCS works between a person using google messages with chat enabled to say someone using a T-Mobile Samsung with stock messaging but with the enhanced messaging enabled?

fil.lujan said:
This may be a longshot, but does anyone know if RCS works between a person using google messages with chat enabled to say someone using a T-Mobile Samsung with stock messaging but with the enhanced messaging enabled?
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Nope, it doesn't work. I tried with a spare phone I had and both phones either have to use Google messages or both have to have the Samsung messenger inorder for chat features to work.

fil.lujan said:
This may be a longshot, but does anyone know if RCS works between a person using google messages with chat enabled to say someone using a T-Mobile Samsung with stock messaging but with the enhanced messaging enabled?
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I use Samsung Stock messages app on my S21U while my wife uses the Google Messages app on her OnePlus 6. RCS works just fine. Similar experience with using RCS with other friends who have non Samsung devices.

enigmaamit said:
I use Samsung Stock messages app on my S21U while my wife uses the Google Messages app on her OnePlus 6. RCS works just fine. Similar experience with using RCS with other friends who have non Samsung devices.
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Is it the stock messages for the others or did they install carrier services and google messages? Thanks for replying. Appreciate it.

JG96EVO said:
Nope, it doesn't work. I tried with a spare phone I had and both phones either have to use Google messages or both have to have the Samsung messenger inorder for chat features to work.
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That's a bummer, thanks for replying.

Update: So I am using stock samsung on tmobile firmware, had the people who use google messages delete my threads and now rcs is working between everyone. Just in case anyone was interested.

RCS is a failure, IMO. If it succeeds, it'll take at least 5-10 years from now.