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S10 plus Vs M20p

Not in English guys but interesting test
https://youtu.be/_wqYfkLHQbc

I'm switching from my current Mate 20 Pro to the 1/12 S10+. The main, and pretty much only reason is storage: as I need Dual SIM, I just can't expand my 128GB to anything more, unless I use something OTG-related. God bless this Hybrid SIM slot stupidity. I'll miss some great Mate 20 Pro stuff I guess, such as
- battery. I seriously doubt I'll get something better there, there are already voices around stating the S10+ eats battery like a mad when used with 2 SIMs
- IR sensor. Old tech, but so handy sometimes
- Face recognition. The S10+ is supposed to use something similar to what the Mate 10 Pro got at a later point, nowhere as powerful as the Mate 20's 3D facial recognition. The Mate 20 Pro detects my face even with zero light, the Mate 10 Pro didn't and I guess the 10+ won't either.
- I'm not a great fan of those ugly, giant, round Samsung icons, but themes are not that far away...

Fafner76 said:
I'm switching from my current Mate 20 Pro to the 1/12 S10+. The main, and pretty much only reason is storage: as I need Dual SIM, I just can't expand my 128GB to anything more, unless I use something OTG-related. God bless this Hybrid SIM slot stupidity. I'll miss some great Mate 20 Pro stuff I guess, such as
- battery. I seriously doubt I'll get something better there, there are already voices around stating the S10+ eats battery like a mad when used with 2 SIMs
- IR sensor. Old tech, but so handy sometimes
- Face recognition. The S10+ is supposed to use something similar to what the Mate 10 Pro got at a later point, nowhere as powerful as the Mate 20's 3D facial recognition. The Mate 20 Pro detects my face even with zero light, the Mate 10 Pro didn't and I guess the 10+ won't either.
- I'm not a great fan of those ugly, giant, round Samsung icons, but themes are not that far away...
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sounds like the Mate20 is a much better advantage to a s10+. Since storage is the only issue, have you considered cloud storage? I can't think what could take up 128gb, but then again I don't have big file sized games running.

I tested the phones, S10 Plus, Mate 20 Pro (I have it) and S10:
- Huawei display (boe) is more colored than s10 plus/s10 even on Vivid colors settings for Samsung!!! (for ex. S8 has more saturated colors)
- Camera: both cameras (front and rear) are much worse than M20 Pro. I took same pictures with both and compared on phones displays and also on 4K QLED TV Samsung/LG 4K TV. M20 Pro is the winner from far, I don't know how they get 109 points on dxomark.....Front facing camera got more details on M20 Pro, both phones on 0 Beauty Face Mode. Also the zoom mode is more detalied on M20 Pro. I didn't test the video recording.
- Speed: both phones are the same but the S10 plus was empty....

alexxutzu said:
I tested the phones, S10 Plus, Mate 20 Pro (I have it) and S10:
- Huawei display (boe) is more colored than s10 plus/s10 even on Vivid colors settings for Samsung!!! (for ex. S8 has more saturated colors)
- Camera: both cameras (front and rear) are much worse than M20 Pro. I took same pictures with both and compared on phones displays and also on 4K QLED TV Samsung/LG 4K TV. M20 Pro is the winner from far, I don't know how they get 109 points on dxomark.....Front facing camera got more details on M20 Pro, both phones on 0 Beauty Face Mode. Also the zoom mode is more detalied on M20 Pro. I didn't test the video recording.
- Speed: both phones are the same but the S10 plus was empty....
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DXO is not a reliable source in my opinion, many people actually stated the same thing.
Even in unbox therapy, he stated that the selfie camera wasn't that great.
I've seen the s10 in the store and wasn't impressed, will try to test it more

As expected almost everyone is believing the hype from Sammy. It has been like that ever since until first adopters starts complaining here and there. DX0 rating means nothing to me and has never influenced my decision to buy the phone I want. S10-series punch holes looks ugly to me as well as those terrible looking icons. I prefer using the stock launcher all the time so those icons are an absolute turn off to me. They say EMUI is ugly but look at Sammy's latest UI its as if they are following Xiaomi's footsteps as far as UI design is concerned. No pun intended.

The funny part? Mine mate 20 x with many apps installed and working in background, was faster than demo GS10 with no app

I've seen videos where the S10+ battery is much much better than the M20 Pro.
But I share my concerns about the face unlock, it is one of the best features of the M20 Pro.

giorgoxxi said:
I've seen videos where the S10+ battery is much much better than the M20 Pro.
But I share my concerns about the face unlock, it is one of the best features of the M20 Pro.
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I never judge battery from those videos, as real world usage is quite different.
When i had my galaxy s7, a lot of the time, Android System consumed the battery and the SOT got worse with Nougat.
Never happened on the Mate 9 or 20 Pro/X.

I think the batery is almost identical,i have 7,5-8h sot in a full day of usage
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Seems like there is a massive difference between the 855 and the Exynos S10 Plus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRnbm9wrzg

Xiaomi mi9 has dual gps, someone tested gps accuracy?

This time xiaomi mi9
should use dual gps
integrated with the Qualcomm 855 chip.
The Snapdragon 855 Mobile Platform supports dual-frequency GNSS, leveraging the Galileo E1 / E5a signals as well as the GPS and QZSS L1 / L5 signals to produce a more accurate and robust location in dense urban , according to the European GNSS Agency (GSA.)
Xiaomi mi8 previously used dual gps broadcom.
What impressions do you have with this gps?

Is there really any difference? On normal phone you get about 3 metres accuracy, which is really good. Other question is whether You can get more in civil use
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From my experience even the best conventional GPS can still occasionally get confused, especially around city (presumably due to "urban canyon" signal multipath effects).
I'm very interested to see how well the Snapdragon implementation of dual-frequency GNSS (as in the Mi 9) actually works in practice.
I understand that app developers are already interested in leveraging higher-accuracy GPS, for example Navigation apps telling you to change lane when necessary on a multi-lane highway (as opposed to, say, telling you to keep to lane 2).

Doesn't seem anymore accurate than my old phone, a OnePlus 3. Still has the typical GPS-drift behaviour you see on GPS devices.

Used it last week on vacations while exploring Vienna over 4 days, overall good, at times confused but solved after re calibrating (when it asks to move the phone in a 8 motion), so nothing to complain.
Used easily to explore and get around sightseeing.

Used today quite a bit in Manchester UK. Same as OP 6T. Nothing special, occasionally having to drive a hundred yards to get a lock on, then having to do a U-turn.

P30 and P30 pro has dual gps,

Cant find how to change a-gps setting on Setting menu
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I used navigation for the first time yesterday with this phone, has dual GPS turned on. Dont know if it works properly where I am in the US or not. Navigation seemed the same as any other phone I have used, no better and no worse. Didnt really expect it to be better though as I am moving fast in a car. I would think dual GPS would probably help the most when walking somewhere and you actually care about an accuracy difference from 10ft to 3ft.
Lock on speed was the same from what I could tell as my last few phones, and it didnt lose lock at all.

Good news.
Emui 9.1 with huawei p30 pro.
Has full dual gps-l1 and l5 support.
Gpstest already detects l5.
Now we are waiting for emui 9.1 for mate 20 / mate 20 pro/honor view 20

Oppo Reno 10x hybrid zoom version uses dual-frequency GPS.
Today, OPPO’s Vice President, Shen Yiren, discussed a few details about the OPPO Reno series. Shen Yiren said on Weibo: “The 10x hybrid zoom version uses dual-frequency GPS.” The dual-frequency GPS function provides more accurate positioning. Another Chinese manufacturer, Xiaomi, was the first to apply the technology to mobile phones. The Xiaomi Mi 8 supports L1+L5 dual-frequency positioning and its accuracy is at least 3-5 times better. It is more resistant to multipath and reflected signals in urban scenes and has higher immunity to interference.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/04/04/oppo-reno-10x-hybrid-zoom-version-uses-dual-frequency-gps/

Much better than the one on the Mi 8.

If find it has much better reception (I see GPS+GALILEO+GLONASS), fix speed and accuracy than my GPS-only phone. Really nice, however there's no SBAS support for some reason (although the 855 should support it).

Dual GPS is great. Much better than my previous device.

kriss3 said:
P30 and P30 pro has dual gps,
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kriss3 said:
Good news.
Emui 9.1 with huawei p30 pro.
Has full dual gps-l1 and l5 support.
Gpstest already detects l5.
Now we are waiting for emui 9.1 for mate 20 / mate 20 pro/honor view 20
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kriss3 said:
Oppo Reno 10x hybrid zoom version uses dual-frequency GPS.
Today, OPPO’s Vice President, Shen Yiren, discussed a few details about the OPPO Reno series. Shen Yiren said on Weibo: “The 10x hybrid zoom version uses dual-frequency GPS.” The dual-frequency GPS function provides more accurate positioning. Another Chinese manufacturer, Xiaomi, was the first to apply the technology to mobile phones. The Xiaomi Mi 8 supports L1+L5 dual-frequency positioning and its accuracy is at least 3-5 times better. It is more resistant to multipath and reflected signals in urban scenes and has higher immunity to interference.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/04/04/oppo-reno-10x-hybrid-zoom-version-uses-dual-frequency-gps/
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And?
I live in a city with a lot of tall buildings etc, and the lock is instant and the accuracy excellent. I have no issues with this phone's GPS.

for me, it's little less accurate then my old single gps phone, not better

I have tested dualgps Mi9 (MIUI 11.0.5.0), it supports GPS L1+L5, Galileo E1+E5a, QZSS L1+L5. It really fast & accurate.
They only problem was the A-GPS connected to Chinese satellite, not Google.

I have a question.
Redmi note 9s has snapdragon 720g.
Which supports dual gps.
Unfortunately on stock miui and
European Miui newest
Gpstest does not detect dual gps or galileo.
There are only l1 gps, glonass and Chinese.
I have root.
What to change in gps.conf to make it galileo and dual gps?

could you please post GPSTest screenshots ?

Photo Quality vs. P30 Pro when using GCam app?

Hi all,
I'm about to buy a new phone and to me photo quality is priority #1.
The P30Pro wins most comparisons (is ranked #1 in DxO), and blows away the competition in low light. According to this review, the difference is abysmal. But the Mi9 has very similar specs. I'm wondering if P30Pro's advantage is mostly due to software and, if so, if Google Cam's port to Mi9 would close the gap between the 2 cameras in low light situations.
I have downloaded some samples but have not been able to gauge the difference between the Mi9/GCam and the P30Pro for low light. If the difference is not great I would gladly buy the Mi9 (cheaper and better support where I am).
Can anyone weigh in on this?
Thanks!

Mi 9 has a capable and decent camera for sure
I compare to xsmax and i gladly realize that mi9 is not only on par with apples flagship, its even better

P30 Pro has much more advantage than software, in Hardware it has RYYB sensor, which capture much more light than an average or flagship sensor, thereby producing a great LowLight Image. Plus it has ToF sensor, though it doesn't have a literal day to day use, but it helps AI to produce unseen objects in night by providing 3D values. So, I don't think Mi9 or any other phone can achieve such great Night Shot. Plus if you look at DxO Marks Mobile (though it's not always true), Mi9 couldn't even beat Huawei P20Pro, so P30Pro is no where near to get beaten. And it's a sad thing, that Mi flagships catch the current trend a bit late, but can't complain about the quality it's giving @ such an affordable price, plus their phones are highly customisable.
But, only Mix Series can beat the P Series, if Xiaomi upgrades their Sensors to a new height

I have found this video on YouTube that doesn't directly compare de P30 Pro to the Mi9 with GCam, but does compare the Mi9+GCam with the S10. Give a pretty good idea of what kind of low light performance we get with the Mi9+GCam
The P30 Pro is indeed in a different league.
Thanks everyone!

Check this out... Mi9 kills p30pro in video recording... even in some Photo shots IMO.

Indeed! The stuttering in the p30 is so annoying.
What's the focal length equivalent for the wide angle on the Xiaomi Mi 9 though? GSMArena says 13mm, DxO says 17mm, and I've seen 15mm mentioned somewhere too.
nomaj said:
Check this out... Mi9 kills p30pro in video recording... even in some Photo shots IMO.
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Question Vivo X70 pro or X60T pro plus

Hi,
I currently own the Vivo X51 and am pretty happy, but wanted to upgrade because the phone goes to my daughter.
I wanted to stick with Vivo and saw on "trading Shenzhen" that they have both phones mentioned in the headline for nearly the same price. The specs are nearly identical, so for wihich one should I go? By the way, I am living in Germany - any restrictions here?
My main goal in upgrading is photography performance.
Thanks for your help and comments.

The camera on the x60 pro plus is much better than the x70 pro and so is the performance sd888 is a flagship chip in comparison to the one on x70 which is an Exynos 1080 or the dimensity 1200 which differs across regions. Both of which are upper mid-range chipsets
If you are looking for a premium flagship feel go for the x60 pro plus but if u want more battery life the x70 pro is better
Overall it depends on your needs
If u value a killer camera and performance more than the battery life then it's the x60 pro plus
X70 pro has a better battery and some might argue that the dimensity 1200 is more than enough for the normal usage scenario the sd 888 is a chip which runs a but hotter than normal sd chipsets
But after using the x60 pro plus for a month I haven't faced any situation wherein the phone throttled hard nor became too hot to touch it has impressive thermal management in comparison to the other sd 888 phones

Hi,
I am now proud owner of the X60t pro plus. Great device. The only Thing which bothers me is the fact that in Video mode you get in 4k and FHD 60p not the 5x camera.
Or is it just me?

Congratulations on the purchase
I am currently running the funtouch 12 global
And I can access 8k and 4k60 using the 5x but I think they digitally crop in for that zoom ranges
And when using the pro video mode
The 5x only allows 1080p so I think everyone's having the same issue
And I dnt think they wud address it using updates or anything as it would probably be a hardware limitation on the sensor front used for optical 5x lens on the x60

What is pro Video mode? I don't have this. And why so you think the 5x in 4k is a crop, don't they Show you the Icon Like in 1080?
Btw, Mine is running in Origin OS

Hello again. Nobody else has this issue?

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pro mode puts the control in your hands so you get the very photo and video you want .... and on galaxy s20, s20+, and s20 ultra threre's pro video mode.
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I only have pro Mode Form Fotos.

Question X90PP vs Xiaomi 13U

I thought it would be interesting to compare camera performance of these two beasts.
Found this review by Han.

Not so bad

maxel77 said:
Not so bad
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I have seen that video yesterday already and I think in the end it's all personal preference. Both phones have their pros and cons and I think in my case the 13u is the better deal.

After seeing many comparisons I see the photos and videos of the xiaomi too saturated wanting to imitate the iPhone and samsung

P6P said:
I have seen that video yesterday already and I think in the end it's all personal preference. Both phones have their pros and cons and I think in my case the 13u is the better deal.
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They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal

maxel77 said:
They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal
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No doubts the next vivo will have a better camera setup than the x90 pro plus. But if you look further Samsung will release their next flagship again in February 2024 which could be better than x100 pro plus. It's an endless loop and basically you can always wait and never buy. That's why I said it's personal preference.

maxel77 said:
They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal
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There is a good possibility for the x100pp to launch in Q1/Q2 2024. Similar to how Xiaomi did it with their 11,12 and 13 line up.

On color os china, on oppo x6 pro, do always on display show all notifications or just stock sms and missed calls (as on vivo originos)?

I would like to buy this device especially for its camera that I consider superior even to the Xiaomi Mi 13 ultra. I come from years of Xiaomi, with some problems but nothing serious and I have always unlocked, flashed rom of my liking and rooted. I thought it could be done also on Vivo but it seems not and then I do not know if it is convenient the X90 pp or the certainty of being able to do everything on the Mi 13 ultra...

if you're used to rooting forget Origin OS. It's a prison cage like iOS. Most of their huge settings menu is only related to functions 3rd party apps can do better anyhow like launcher or similar.
And removing apps with adb is getting more and more painful each software update. If you live outside Europa an import Xiaomi 13 Ultra is a no brainer vs Vivo. Also gcam support is much better on Xiaomi.
On stock camera the Vivo only has advantage in 2.2-4x zoom range and at night. The front camera of both sucks for the segment, but is even worse on Xiaomi. Especially the ultra wide is far superior on Xiamo 13Ultra.. However with Find X6 Pro at same price - I would always chose that one over the Vivo - and the software on the Oppo isn't as crappy as Vivo when it comes to dark mode/notifications (that will even get worse when vivo.pem cannot be removed anymore in future). At night except for main camera the Find X6 Pro is way above both others.
A good review of 2023 phones cameras is here (Vivo based on the beta firmware with Demo-X)
(pretty sure subtitles are coming soon) - and xiaobai is a lot more objective than most english youtubers that live in China.
Xiaomi 13 Ultra is the only Chinese phone that gets the preview quite okay, not as good as Iphone 14 Pro but much better than the rest of the market when it comes to lowlight or HDR.

Xiaomi 13 Ultra ultrawide is better than X90PP? Even with smaller sensor? Why?
(sorry, without subtitles I can't understand what is said in the video)

Look at the model number. At Sony the first number is about the positioning. Size of sensor isn't everything. The ultrawide on the vivo is a much cheaper sensor vs Xiaomi.

Yeah Sony claimed the sensor was improved despite being smaller, but sometimes that's just marketing nonsense. Glad to see that the IMX858 is actually good.
Another problem that the X90PP has is bad demosaicing while calculating the 12MP image from the 48/50MP quad-bayer raw data. That leads to "smushy" textures. Apple for example does this waaaaay better, GCam too. It's especially noticeable in combination with an ultra-wide lens.
I'm really looking forward to the subtitles!!

imx 598 is more or less a imx 586 - basically 5 year old tech. besides size and therefore not too bad at low light - it's really not a modern sensor anymore. it was back then mainly used as a main sensor for midrangers...
Cannot compete with a smaller but modern 858 or even less with the IMX 890 sensor on the Oppo Find X6 Pro (which is a 2022 mid range main sensor)

The video now has subtitles. BTW Huawei P60 Pro tiny bit ahead of Xiaomi 13 Ultra overall - Oppo a bit behind - and then Vivo, ahead of Honor and then Iphone is the conclusion.
The main problems for Vivo being the boring images (you see everything - suitable for beginners or pixel peeping - but not good for interesting pictures) - the low light abilties of the zoom lens (usually at night it uses main sensor up to 5x) and the ultrawide. Strong point for Vivo are portraits (best after Huawei) and lowlight on main lens. Vivo choses the easiest option of boosting pictures brightness overall - which gives images that do well in blind tests - but transport no athmosphere. The comparison is only about photo - not video. Otherwise Iphone wouldn't be last. And yeah this review isn't about front camera - because Iphone is way better there.
With Huawei a total no go without any kind of google services for most users and no 5G- the camera king right now is clearly Xiaomi 13 Ultra - especially as you can use a global OS - or even buy a global version with proper warrranty and the longest promised software support for chinese manufacturers right now - the software situation of course also applying to chinese version after unlock and flash of global OS (not xiaomi.eu which is based on Chinese OS). The Oppo is better than Vivo because of far superior ultrawide/zoom lens in the dark (but worse when zoomed over 5x). The Magic 5 Pro doesn't make too much sense anymore - as the Xiaomi 13 Ultra is now also available globally (or very soon). Iphone well - that's apples to oranges besides the camera. A proper macro mode of course also is missing from X90PP while Huawei/Xiaomi have one.
BTW in a newer video no subs yet - Xiaobai is not recommending Huawei P60 Pro for buying. Oppo Find X6 Pro is the 4500-6000RMB choice. Iphone 14 Pro Max, S23U, Xiaomi 13Ultra and X90Pro+ get the recommendation above 6000RMB (phones are categorized by list price - and while X90Pro+ is actually cheaper than Find X6 Pro and Xioami 13U - the list price of Find X6 Pro was cheaper). For Xiobai S23U is the best android phone besides the camera (and Samsung clearly doesn't pay him - Samsung has a difficult standing in China right now much more pricey than domestic brands, unlike Europe/USA where Samsung is cheaper than the global models of Chinese flagships)
BTW - the Xiaomi 13 Ultra manual F-Stop is still problematic for user experience. They need to work on it still. Huawei is much advanced there. It's pretty solid in rumors Vivo X100 Pro+ will get variable aperture too (but unknown if variable one like Huawei or 2 stops like Xiaomi)
Oh yeah and Xiaobai vs for example Hans Tech Talk is like take someone who is a world difference in objectiveness and professionalism. There's a good reason why Xiaobai is the undisputed most reknown smartphone camera reviewer in China (though his battery life review has no relevance at all except for gamers. )