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I hate to say this but Mate 9 screen is better.

I own the Mate 10 and yet the Mate 9 has a better screen.
I put my Mate 9 side by side with my Mate 10 and did lots of comparisons. The Mate 9 is much brighter and has more vivid punchier colours and has better viewing angles.
I made sure colour temperature was the same. Brightness was the same. Everything was the same. Mate 10 has warmer tone even though settings are the same. Mate 9 is WAY BRIGHTER regardless of auto brightness on or off. I played a HDR video on my Mate 10 and the same video on my Mate 9 and I could swear the Mate 9 was better. Also tilting the phones to the same angle, the Mate 9 retained its colours much more that the 10.
Yes the Mate 10 has a good screen but if you compare it to Mate 9, resolution aside, Mate 9 wins hands down. Shocking really! Don't believe me? Have a Mate 9? Test it yourself.

Going by gsmarena tests, Mate 9 does not distinguish between vivid, normal & auto for brightness. While the Mate 10 does. So Mate 10 gives peak brightness when in auto+sunlight. Otherwise it never achieves max brightness. So did you compare the two at max brightness or on a more real usage level of brightness ? If you think the brightness should be adjustable to much higher rates, than i guess you have to send feedback so they can do that with a rom update.
Also, Mate 10 seems to have deeper black than Mate 9 while latter has better contrast ratio .
And some other aspects advertised by Huawei:
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Note 8 (best screen in the market) vs Mate 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l7WZ9CTN_o

tboy2000 said:
I own the Mate 10 and yet the Mate 9 has a better screen.
I put my Mate 9 side by side with my Mate 10 and did lots of comparisons. The Mate 9 is much brighter and has more vivid punchier colours and has better viewing angles.
I made sure colour temperature was the same. Brightness was the same. Everything was the same. Mate 10 has warmer tone even though settings are the same. Mate 9 is WAY BRIGHTER regardless of auto brightness on or off. I played a HDR video on my Mate 10 and the same video on my Mate 9 and I could swear the Mate 9 was better. Also tilting the phones to the same angle, the Mate 9 retained its colours much more that the 10.
Yes the Mate 10 has a good screen but if you compare it to Mate 9, resolution aside, Mate 9 wins hands down. Shocking really! Don't believe me? Have a Mate 9? Test it yourself.
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Hello mate ,what colour is your Mate 10? I have a very weird impression from what I have seen from YouTube videos that the Black version is not that impressive. Hopefully yours is not Black otherwise I am getting really crazy about it

I have the black version

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I have the black version
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And I ordered the Black version.
See this post from Xda, the screen looks amazing on that Gold version and the reviewer said that screen is Second best after Note 8. I am getting very suspicious with the Black version or more specifically with the chance that they can have different panels.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/how-to/huawei-mate-10-review-48-hours-t3702882

Mate 9 on the left and Mate 10 on the right.
Mate 10 goes very dim (1st photo) which is good but it's not as bright at max.
Screen angle pics, Mate 9 in the front.

tboy2000 said:
Mate 9 on the left and Mate 10 on the right.
Mate 10 goes very dim (1st photo) which is good but it's not as bright at max.
Screen angle pics, Mate 9 in the front.
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Ouch!

Having said all this I do LOVE this phone and it's excellent. My perfect phone. Finally!

warea said:
Note 8 (best screen in the market) vs Mate 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l7WZ9CTN_o
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In this video the Mate 10 is the black version and the brightness side by side with Note 8 is not bad!!
Are you sure the black Mate 10 screens are worst???
I'm interested on the black one
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tboy2000 said:
Mate 9 on the left and Mate 10 on the right.
Mate 10 goes very dim (1st photo) which is good but it's not as bright at max.
Screen angle pics, Mate 9 in the front.
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Those photos shock me
Waiting for Damir (youtube) review of the Mate 10.
His copy is a black one and he used a Mate 9 too.
Let's see what he has to say.

Of course I am not sure and I want to be wrong as I ordered the black version too. The video you posted looks goods btw, not impressive but still very good

In my country only the Pro version will be available so I can't see it (non pro) live before ordering one online. Sh!t

It's funny how scare mongering starts. Nothing wrong with black ones. Mine is lovely.
Yes the 9 has brighter manual control brightness, but the 10 will get brighter in direct sunlight than the manual control allows

lawtq said:
It's funny how scare mongering starts. Nothing wrong with black ones. Mine is lovely.
Yes the 9 has brighter manual control brightness, but the 10 will get brighter in direct sunlight than the manual control allows
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Not trying to start anything just sharing my observation. Still absolutely love this phone.

lawtq said:
It's funny how scare mongering starts. Nothing wrong with black ones. Mine is lovely.
Yes the 9 has brighter manual control brightness, but the 10 will get brighter in direct sunlight than the manual control allows
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That’s what I want to hear and this is not what I want to see.
https://youtu.be/7H9pAn4Hl50

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That’s what I want to hear and this is not what I want to see.
https://youtu.be/7H9pAn4Hl50
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Can't explain these videos. I'm getting over 10 hours sot. My note 8 gave me about 8 max

Yes it is very disappointing the display and the battery from this video but the feedback from this forum is the opposite of that which I believe it more. I am waiting my Black Mate 10, I hope the screen will be better at least from the ips display of Iphone plus.

this from hicare app

lawtq said:
Can't explain these videos. I'm getting over 10 hours sot. My note 8 gave me about 8 max
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Me too, I get over 10hrs SOT and my note 8 only achieves 7hrs SOT

spring80 said:
this from hicare app
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This means the brightness can be different due to content showed on screen?

Stunning photos from the Huawei Mate 20 Pro - share your pics

As the title says, one place to share your photos from the Mate 20 Pro. I will be very active in this thread ?
The first full camera review of the Huawei Mate 20 Pro , 26 mins long - https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/10/20/huawei-mate-20-pro-camera-review-all-modes-photos-videos/
UPDATE. As I have the new firmware 122, which is the first official build, I did a new video, re-testing the video quality and showing all the new modes. Quite an improvement from build 108 and 113.
https://youtu.be/yr3vTNBJF0Y

Downloaded live wallpapers app here
https://www.xda-developers.com/download-huawei-mate-20-wallpapers-live-wallpapers-themes/
And avast popedo up that app may be dandrus any one get this alert is this app safe any one else scanned it
Thanks

Yes this thread will be red hot in about 2 months. Can't wait to see the improvements Huawei has made from the P20 Pro.

If anyone is interested, I ran through the camera UI and settings and showed some examples from the camera. A lot more footage and photos will be incoming now I have the retail version.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/10/16/huawei-mate-20-pro-first-impressions-plus-camera-ui-samples/

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First picture

Looking forward to see all the pics pre ordered mine too

Took these yesterday. Love these pics.
Silhouettes & Shadows #HuaweiMate20Pro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Feeding Time #HuaweiMate20Pro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr

gavinfabl said:
Took these yesterday. Love these pics.
Silhouettes & Shadows #HuaweiMate20Pro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Feeding Time #HuaweiMate20Pro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
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Just wow mate, cant wait till next Friday, how u finding it overall as a device?

misiokicio said:
Just wow mate, cant wait till next Friday, how u finding it overall as a device?
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OMFG. Awesome.

gavinfabl said:
OMFG. Awesome.
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How did you get it early in the UK?

Did a quick walk through the local public garden.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/59wxZ8 album
For the images below I stood in the shade, focused on the tree in the centre, left everything on auto with the AI turned off.
I wasn't too impressed with the wide angle shot, though I didnt spend a lot of time messing around with exposure or shutter speed since I only had a small window of time to take photos.
This weekend ill go to the main city and do some nightshots.
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Cahenvels said:
Did a quick walk through the local public garden.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/59wxZ8 album
For the images below I stood in the shade, focused on the tree in the centre, left everything on auto with the AI turned off.
I wasn't too impressed with the wide angle shot, though I didnt spend a lot of time messing around with exposure or shutter speed since I only had a small window of time to take photos.
This weekend ill go to the main city and do some nightshots.
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Well, hard to say what happened here with wide angle, but its hard to judge the pic not seeing a pic taken by diff cam xd, i am also interested in just point and shoot , hopefully I won't be disappointed with mate, pixel user here

gavinfabl said:
If anyone is interested, I ran through the camera UI and settings and showed some examples from the camera. A lot more footage and photos will be incoming now I have the retail version.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/10/16/huawei-mate-20-pro-first-impressions-plus-camera-ui-samples/
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Didnt you used to have a p20 pro?
Hows the camera on the Mate vs the P20?

Tiger33 said:
Didnt you used to have a p20 pro?
Hows the camera on the Mate vs the P20?
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Yes I did. It’s better. My Mate 20 Pro Camera Review covering all modes photo and video will be live tonight. I’ll add it to the front page and here. I compare it to the P20 Pro. This will provide anyone with a clear answer should they upgrade etc.

gavinfabl said:
Yes I did. It’s better. My Mate 20 Pro Camera Review covering all modes photo and video will be live tonight. I’ll add it to the front page and here. I compare it to the P20 Pro. This will provide anyone with a clear answer should they upgrade etc.
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Excellent
Looking forward to it

Ok, my Huawei Mate 20 Pro camera review is done, nearly 26 mins long.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/10/20/huawei-mate-20-pro-camera-review-all-modes-photos-videos/
On first post, I've added a direct link to the YouTube video. The video is embedded in the above post. There is an index in the video provided within 1st min too.

gavinfabl said:
Ok, my Huawei Mate 20 Pro camera review is done, nearly 26 mins long.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/10/20/huawei-mate-20-pro-camera-review-all-modes-photos-videos/
On first post, I've added a direct link to the YouTube video. The video is embedded in the above post. There is an index in the video provided within 1st min too.
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How does the night mode compare to the P20 Pro? Some reviews show the P20 pro taking sharper and more detailed night shots (both night mode and dark scenes in normal) better that the Mate 20 Pro. What did you see when comparing the two

photos are really great i think, but what about the video recording ? I have seen some samples and i seems that video recording can become blurred, not sharp by just simple walking.. is there any alternative camera app without video quality problems or SW update will be needed ?

BoneMo said:
photos are really great i think, but what about the video recording ? I have seen some samples and i seems that video recording can become blurred, not sharp by just simple walking.. is there any alternative camera app without video quality problems or SW update will be needed ?
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I have software build 113. A new firmware is being released soon, I could manually flash it now but will wait for the OTA.

gavinfabl said:
I have software build 113. A new firmware is being released soon, I could manually flash it now but will wait for the OTA.
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Ok, will wait for the OTA and i hope a video fix, if you see improvement in video recording please tell us

Camera (night mode) Very Disappointing

I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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arsenal74 said:
I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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Post some sample shots?

This is not scientific at all but I'd qualify this by saying that I was a professional photographer in a previous life so like to think that I understand lighting.
As I say not scientific and I've to been able to shoot them side by side, #1 is the p30 pro #2 the 4xl in arguably lower light.
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I am not a heavy night mode user, but yesterday I notice some kind of violet like fog in a couple of pics taken without touching settings. There was no visible fog in the sky but it was very visible in all pictures taken to the sky or the road in front of me.

I don't use night mode at all unless I need a full exposed shot of the entire scene. P30 pro has 500k ISO and you can maximize it's high ISO capability when you tap on the dark portion of the scene to properly expos it without the need of using night mode

I noticed that Night mode is actually same as just taking a photo. Literally you hold phone still for 6 seconds, and you get the same result as when you just tap and shoot in auto mode.
Something must be wrong there..

The difference is subtle between night mode and photo mode. You capture more detail and dynamic range in night mode. Especially if you set the ISO value low. But the difference is hard to see on the phone screen. On a desktop computer, it's quite dramatic. So no need to mess with night mode if your pics will only be viewed on your phone and posted to social media.

Djeloan said:
I noticed that Night mode is actually same as just taking a photo. Literally you hold phone still for 6 seconds, and you get the same result as when you just tap and shoot in auto mode.
Something must be wrong there..
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If you looked at the (i) info for each photo you'd see there is a big difference in how it takes the shot / settings used, for one thing normal auto mode you do not need to hold the phone still for X seconds...

arsenal74 said:
I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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Sample?

kabirjedi said:
Sample?
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There are a couple of photos further up.
I did some further tests vs. P4 Xl and s10+ and think the p30 is better most of the time BUT that when there is any movement at all the pixel is better.
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arsenal74 said:
There are a couple of photos further up.
I did some further tests vs. P4 Xl and s10+ and think the p30 is better most of the time BUT that when there is any movement at all the pixel is better.
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your seriously think those pics you posted will aid anyone here? When comparing photos, try to use the same framed shot.
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I have to strongly disagree about night mode. I got my p30 pro yesterday and HAD to test night mode. It was very dark and the pic looks as if I took it during the day.. just WOW...so kool! I love this phone. The battery charged 100% the next morning %99. Then use it off and on and right now %91. I again LOVE this phone.

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography

it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.

skoobz said:
... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?

The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.

auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same

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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.

Mi 10 Ultra - dimensions needed to clear the ultrawide lens field of view.

FYI, on the Mi 10 Ultra, this should be the clearance you will need to have for phone clamps and gimbals if you don't want them to appear in the shot of the ultrawide camera.
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Phone clamps will have to be mounted off-center to the right.
It's possible that the only way to mount this in a gimbal without getting part of the clamp or gimbal in the shot would likely be to use a tray-style gimbal (not a clamp style ie. DJI Osmo 2/3, Zhiyun Smooth X, Hohem iSteady X, etc.) with a way to offset the phone or add counterweights.
I'm eager to hear about personal experiences with gimbals on this phone though!

We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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The geometric center is almost assuredly not the center of gravity. Most every other phone has the center of gravity towards the charging port (right side in the diagram) but the huge problems with the Mi 10 Ultra are that:
- The ultrawide lens is the lens closest to the center of the phone, which is an incredibly stupid thing for Xiaomi to do. They've done the same on the Mi 9 and other Mi 10 phones as well, so this isn't new or special for Xiaomi. It's a dumb design flaw that has persisted across multiple iterations of their phones.
- The ultrawide lens is the widest ultrawide on any smartphone right now.
- Any infringement on the ultrawide will be occurring on the horizontal side of videos shot in landscape orientation, so you don't be able to crop in without losing a ton of resolution and field of view.

You see why I'm interested in:
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So, 8k on every lens except for the 2x?
Any info on the bitrate, fps, manual mode for 8k?
Do you think the phone could be balanced on a gimbal and UW be used in 8k?
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And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.

neverthemore said:
You see why I'm interested in:
And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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8k is not available on the ultrawide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...c2qct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I have been using this for a week and had no problems with it. Exaggeration that u need to hold it awkwardly or fingers will be in the viewfinder.

Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?

neverthemore said:
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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I don't have the phone, but just by looking at the measurements I can't imagine how any gimbal could work on this with the ultrawide. If it's not the clamp and roll motor immediately getting into the view, the tilt motor probably would.
I'm also unable to find any videos shot on YouTube with the ultrawide and a gimbal for any of the previous Xiaomi phones with their ultrawide in a similar position on the phone.

I don't understand gimbals much because I never looked into them but based on the above info: when you need a gimbal, would it be possible to attach a removable lead or iron weight to the bottom of the phone to bring the center of gravity way towards that end?

Impossible to use with a gimbal
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.

mfmach said:
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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Which gimbal are you using??