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Hey Guys,
Time to vent some frustration here.
About a month ago I bought a Bell GT-I9000M off kijiji (after falling in love with it on a recent trip to Japan). I went through the flashing routines and settled on the doc roms. Somehow after some use/flashing I ended up killing it with what seems to be a corrupted internal sd card. I have no idea how that happened but it did. I can access download mode and flash with odin but I cant get the phone to boot. The phone boots past the samsung logo to a black screen and if I touch any of the buttons on the front they stay lit.
So last weekend I got the bright idea to buy another used phone, again from kijiji. This one was brand new, never used and seemed like a good option. I flashed the BUJP8_v9_Bell_Idan73_Special ROM and everything was fine up until yesterday. For some reason I could no longer send text messages. I called Rogers (my provider, phone was unlocked and working fine) for help and he had me do a few things including a battery pull and some sort of reset text message.
After the following reboot (after getting off the phone) my phone would no longer boot. I've since had the EXACT same issue as with the previous phone - phone sits at a black screen after the samsung logo and the buttons stay lit if I press one of them.
I can still flash this phone with odin and I can access the download/recovery screen but I cant do anything else.
Did I get 2 duds or did I do something to mess this phone up in someway? Is there anything I can do or do I have to send these things back to samsung some how?
Even now, I just reflashed with odin 1.7 to the I9000UGJK3 pda file and on the reboot after flash I get the 3e recovery screen with this error:
E:Can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 (I/O error) E:copy_dbdata_media:Can't mount SDCARD: your storage not prepared yet...
When I click format internal sd card it just repeats the same error...
What is going on with these phones?
Someone could confirm this, but I think bell could still services thoses with the serial number or IMEI (or such) You might want to contact them.
You will need Proof of Purchase to get repairs done via Bell / Dealer Stores.
Downgrade back to the BELL 2.1, boot into recovery and wipe all / internal SD. If that works, then upgrade back to 2.2. I had that problem when I upgraded to a corrupt 2.2 I downloaded online.
Gabriel
It makes absolutely no sense that you need proof of purchase for these phones.
I know you do, but its absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the phone has been made and sold as an I9000M for more than a year, but they weren't and they haven't. Each have been manufactured this year. Either July or August, and sold.
So someone without a receipt should be given 1 year warranty based on the manufacturers date on the phone, no exceptions. Or if bell really wants to be a stickler about it, they can just say that phones without a receipt will only be warrantied up until July or August 2011, the one year anniversary of these phones being sold.
I know other corporations, including my BBQ manufacturer, did not need proof of purchase for a warranty claim. They simply asked me for my serial number, and could only give me warranty based on the manufacturers date. I purchased my BBQ much after the manufacturers date, but due to no proof of that, they still provided me the warranty because my actual BBQ didn't even exist prior to the Serial number. So they couldn't dispute it was still under warranty.
I'm sure if you yelled loud enough, they'll warranty it. They will have no leg to stand on. The phone is not stolen, wasn't reported stolen, has a valid IMEI and all of that.
How do they know its not stolen. They don't.
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ickyboo said:
How do they know its not stolen. They don't.
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Absolutely they do. They have a list of blacklisted IMEI/ESN's. If that IMEI is on the list, not only will they not activate it, they will not warranty it, and they will not even return the phone back to you.
What they do exactly is tell you to wait while they go to the 'back' to complete the transaction, then call the police as you wait.
Activating a stolen phone is like trying to use a fraudulant/stolen credit card. Same thing. And same process.
If you're brave enough to explain your story to the police. Then go ahead and wait.
If the phone is an I9000M, then the phone was not brought from overseas. Its specific to Canada. The IMEI number will reflect that regardless of what ROM you may have installed on it.
has anyone tried it?
I think it was done by some users who bought the device to work on another network, I'd advise to try it first, get into a bell store and be real polite/nice with the clerk, he/she will most likely help you!
I'm going to bell tonight either way. I'm fed up. One phone maybe, but two phones dieing doesn't make any sense to me at all.
This is getting repaired and then going up for sale. I'm not going to take my chances on a third/repaired phone.
I don't know why everyone blames Bell for warranty work. Samsung should be the one people go to if their phone needs repair and was NOT purchased from Bell.
I'm assuming the OP purchased his phones from kijiji because he's using the phone for another provider but Bell. So tell me why Bell should service the phone or give them a replacement?
You know if you don't have a receipt and genuinely bought the phone from Bell, they will honor it because you have a contract with Bell and that's the proof you need. They have all the info regarding your phone when you bought it.
I don't work for Bell. But seriously, you people make no sense.
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Absolutely they do. They have a list of blacklisted IMEI/ESN's. If that IMEI is on the list, not only will they not activate it, they will not warranty it, and they will not even return the phone back to you.
What they do exactly is tell you to wait while they go to the 'back' to complete the transaction, then call the police as you wait.
Activating a stolen phone is like trying to use a fraudulant/stolen credit card. Same thing. And same process.
If you're brave enough to explain your story to the police. Then go ahead and wait.
If the phone is an I9000M, then the phone was not brought from overseas. Its specific to Canada. The IMEI number will reflect that regardless of what ROM you may have installed on it.
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I don't know why everyone blames Bell for warranty work. Samsung should be the one people go to if their phone needs repair and was NOT purchased from Bell.
I'm assuming the OP purchased his phones from kijiji because he's using the phone for another provider but Bell. So tell me why Bell should service the phone or give them a replacement?
You know if you don't have a receipt and genuinely bought the phone from Bell, they will honor it because you have a contract with Bell and that's the proof you need. They have all the info regarding your phone when you bought it.
I don't work for Bell. But seriously, you people make no sense.
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We "People" make no sense? Well let me boil it down for you...
Bell is not on the hook for any warranty repair. Samsung is. However Bell, at least in Ontario is the ONLY authorized cell provider licensed by Samsung to purchase the phone at or for. So if you buy it at Best Buy, Future Shop, or any other cellular place without contract, they are NOT authorized to activate that non-contract phone with any other cell provider.
So with that being said. Those phones that Best Buy and Future Shop and those other companies get are obtained through the same source Bell gets their stock from. Why? Because that is the person that tells bell the phone is theirs.
So no matter where they get the phone from, there is one person, or a group of people at Samsung telling Bell another phone has been sold.
So why is Bell a good place to go to? Try phoning Samsung to get warranty work done without the assistance of Bell or the place you bought it at. They won't do it. Why? Because its a branded phone and they don't have the same system Bell does when it comes to tracking stolen goods.
Think about it. Why would anyone have to go to Bell at all? Why wouldn't Samsung just do all the warranty work themselves absolving Bell of any post-relations with their clients? Simple. Because you bring it in, they check the serial numbers against a flagged database only they, and their point-of-sale partners have. The same list that is shared with other providers to track stolen equipment.
So Samsung won't do the repair straight out, unless you buy the phone directly from them. And to that, I don't even think they sell the phone in Canada without the assistance of a provider. They do however in other countries from what I understand.
So making this extremely long story short. Samsung is on the hook for the cost of repair. Not bell. So tell me why bell can't be the intermediary for a person that didn't buy it there? It costs them nothing and improves relations with the general public.
Make sense now? Clear as mud? Didn't think so.
EDIT: And no one said anything about Bell giving them a replacement. They only do that as a courtesy to THEIR customers if need be or if Samsung says there's no other choice.. Again, samsung is on the hook for the replacement of any I9000M phone. Whether Bells or Not. If Bell gives their customer a replacement and Samsung said no, that is the only way Bell would have to pocket anything.
But for this purpose, I only spoke of warranty repair, not replacement. But again, thats up to Samsungs discretion based on what FutureTel, the only repair centre for them, tells them.
LAST EDIT: It is in the best interest of any person out there looking for warranty work to ensure you go to a Bell CORPORATE store and not a franchised store. I confirmed yesterday (EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH BELL) that franchised stores can make up their own rules and do not have to accept the repair (Like they didn't mine) because I didn't buy it from that franchise. The owner of that store says the Corporate stores will take anything regardless of where it was purchased.
Oh and I had my contract, and my receipt for the purchase with me too.. still wouldn't take it. HMMMM.
You took a chance purchasing your phone off Kijjii, you knew that chance since you already had one dead SG. All the money spent on Kijjii on 2 phones and you could of most likly bought the phone new and would of had a receipt and a waranty ;p.
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It is in the best interest of any person out there looking for warranty work to ensure you go to a Bell CORPORATE store and not a franchised store. I confirmed yesterday (EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH BELL) that franchised stores can make up their own rules and do not have to accept the repair (Like they didn't mine) because I didn't buy it from that franchise. The owner of that store says the Corporate stores will take anything regardless of where it was purchased.
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Hit a nerve did I? LOL
That's great news for everyone that bought used phones. Hopefully it's not one of those made up rules from that Franchise owner you speak of.
I never said you can return your phone to any Franchise store. That's common knowledge (to me and my friends at least) that you have to return to the store you bought it from or a corporate store. That's nothing new.
You're not going to find a lot of businesses that will honor warranty on a product that was not purchased from them. I'm talking products bought from kijiji or craigslist etc (like the OP)... NOT Best Buy or Future Shop. I'd be surprised to see if Bell Corp would accept a phone bought from kijiji especially if they are not Bell customers.
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Hit a nerve did I? LOL
That's great news for everyone that bought used phones. Hopefully it's not one of those made up rules from that Franchise owner you speak of.
I never said you can return your phone to any Franchise store. That's common knowledge (to me and my friends at least) that you have to return to the store you bought it from or a corporate store. That's nothing new.
You're not going to find a lot of businesses that will honor warranty on a product that was not purchased from them. I'm talking products bought from kijiji or craigslist etc (like the OP)... NOT Best Buy or Future Shop. I'd be surprised to see if Bell Corp would accept a phone bought from kijiji especially if they are not Bell customers.
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Condescending comments always hit a nerve. Thats nothing new, so you can LOL all you want. There are better ways to try and get your point across than speaking down to us "people".
At any rate...
My whole point is, it shouldn't matter where you bought it from, its impossible for any of these phones to be beyond the 1 year manufactured date. And since all I9000M's come with Bell's bloated firmware, they should warranty them regardless of where you bought them from, as it doesn't cost them a penny. Any company that I have dealt with in the past where a receipt was missing honoured the warranty based on a manufacturers date.
This is not a Samsung Galaxy S we are speaking of here. Its a BELL Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant. And no I9000M out there has a different distinction. Or at least none with Bell listed IMEI's.
Buying this from Kijiji is still a risk though.. Samsung could always deny your warranty claim depending on what caused the error in the first place. But the denial of warranty claim should happen at the repair service level, not at a Bell store.
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Condescending comments always hit a nerve. Thats nothing new, so you can LOL all you want. There are better ways to try and get your point across than speaking down to us "people".
At any rate...
My whole point is, it shouldn't matter where you bought it from, its impossible for any of these phones to be beyond the 1 year manufactured date. And since all I9000M's come with Bell's bloated firmware, they should warranty them regardless of where you bought them from, as it doesn't cost them a penny. Any company that I have dealt with in the past where a receipt was missing honoured the warranty based on a manufacturers date.
This is not a Samsung Galaxy S we are speaking of here. Its a BELL Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant. And no I9000M out there has a different distinction. Or at least none with Bell listed IMEI's.
Buying this from Kijiji is still a risk though.. Samsung could always deny your warranty claim depending on what caused the error in the first place. But the denial of warranty claim should happen at the repair service level, not at a Bell store.
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Did you flash with Odin?
Before one buys a used atrix hd off the bay, how does he make sure the imei had not been blacklisted by at&t? Especially if he lives overseas and has no way of trying out an at&t sim for a few weeks before he visits the US?
I understand atrix hd is also offered on contract. So what is stopping from someone taking it on the contract for cheap and buy a code from ebay and unlock the phone. Missed payments could make at&t blacklist the phone right?
I guess one way to avoid buying a stolen phone is to insist on the box with the sale, but how does one protect oneself about the above possibility?
AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen. Blacklisting is becoming more and more of an issue, so it is something to keep in mind when buying used from individuals. I would recommend getting them to provide you with the IMEI then call AT&T customer service 1-800-331-0500 to check it to see if it's clear.
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AzraelsVoice said:
AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen. Blacklisting is becoming more and more of an issue, so it is something to keep in mind when buying used from individuals. I would recommend getting them to provide you with the IMEI then call AT&T customer service 1-800-331-0500 to check it to see if it's clear.
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Thanks. I just called them. They told me that they do not keep a list like that! I'll send you a PM about it.
Blue Bell said:
Thanks. I just called them. They told me that they do not keep a list like that! I'll send you a PM about it.
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Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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SirHoover2010 said:
Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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Exactly. Ebay is all for protecting buyers, and unfortunately not sellers.
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If you want a good site with good imei then try swappa. Com I have purchased several android phones there and never had a problem, and the site checks the imei for u before u purchase the phone.
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Didn't know Swappa did that. Good piece of information.
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Didn't know Swappa did that. Good piece of information.
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they just implimented a beta service today
Check out Swappa's new ESN Check (Beta) service. Validate with carriers to ensure ESN is clean for activation. swappa.com/esn
34 minutes ago from Swappa.
glad to help,i just bought an s3 like new for 390.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ESN checking would only work for CDMA phones right?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but ESN checking would only work for CDMA phones right?
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yes that is correct ESN is just for cdma phones but swappa check's IMEI as well just thought id throw that lil bit of info out there if anyone was interested.
when ever i have sold a phone on swappa the first thing i have to do is give swappa the IMEI so they can confirm if it is good.
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Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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Unfortunately though, I live overseas, and I wouldn't be able to check if it works on AT&T until I try their sim in a month or two! Hence the pickle.
Swappa recognized the IMEI as the correct device but could not validate the status. Is CheckMEND a reliable solution?
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AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen.
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Another quick clarification on the statement above. So, what happens to GSM phones that are bought on contract at a subsidized price and unlocked via one of the many third party sites online (if it is possible to illegally unlock phones on contract that is)? AT&T does nothing about it and just bears the loss?
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Another quick clarification on the statement above. So, what happens to GSM phones that are bought on contract at a subsidized price and unlocked via one of the many third party sites online (if it is possible to illegally unlock phones on contract that is)? AT&T does nothing about it and just bears the loss?
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if you unlock a gsm phone 90% of the time you can use them with any carrier ,i believe and correct me if im wrong. if you report a phone lost or stolen thats when there is a problem.i have a tmobile phone right now which is working with at&t.so as long as its a gsm phone and you can unlock
it then your good to go.i just bought a s3 off swappa then unlocked with cellunlocker.net for 25 and just popped my sim in and i was good to go.
hope this helps.
I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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well to be honest it has to do with credit and your credit line,if you buy a phone with a contract and you break and or dont pay your bill then it will go to collections and that in turn affects your credit as far as getting credit cards or anything for that matter that involves anything having to do with credit,of course some people just dont care but for the majority it is better for them to pay the bill or to pay to get out of the contract as in an early termination fee. hope this helps
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well to be honest it has to do with credit and your credit line,if you buy a phone with a contract and you break and or dont pay your bill then it will go to collections and that in turn affects your credit as far as getting credit cards or anything for that matter that involves anything having to do with credit,of course some people just dont care but for the majority it is better for them to pay the bill or to pay to get out of the contract as in an early termination fee. hope this helps
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Oh okay. So the only worry is if people buy the phones and claim that it had been lost (and the insurance) but sell them off internationally. This way the phone will work everywhere except in US where it will blacklisted.
But then, will insurance and/or the police insist on seeing the box? If so, insisting on getting the phone with the box would technically make sure that the phone is not stolen and/or blacklisted right?
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Oh okay. So the only worry is if people buy the phones and claim that it had been lost (and the insurance) but sell them off internationally. This way the phone will work everywhere except in US where it will blacklisted.
But then, will insurance and/or the police insist on seeing the box? If so, insisting on getting the phone with the box would technically make sure that the phone is not stolen and/or blacklisted right?
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im afraid things work differently over here,not the police or the company really have time or care about a phone.insurance is just that ,if you have it then they will give you another and register the phones imei as bad and will be flagged as bad and will not work with the company you buy it from but if it is a gsm phone more than likely it will work unlocked with other companies ,now having said that if you want a phone that will work with at&t or any other carrier that are gsm then may plz recommend this website, swappa.com i have purchased several phones from them and never had a problem i would recommend buying at&t phone or a tmobile phone and if it is not unlocked then you can unlock the phone at cellunlocker.net which i have used as well and can verify that they give good unlock codes ,within 5 to 10 min,also swappa only deals with paypal so if the phones imei no. for some reason is not right even though they check it before hand and or the phone is not in the condition they said it was you are protected under there buyer protection program which means if need be they can refund your money.
Thanks. I had already been through Swappa. Unfortunately, it seems like most of the sellers do not ship internationally.
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I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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The way it works with AT&T here is that you may get a $500 phone for $100 with a two year contract, but a stipulation of the contract is a $350 declining early contract termination fee. That way they're covered if you do decide to take it elsewhere. If a phone is blacklisted, it will fry your sim card almost immediately when you try to use it in that phone. Keep in mind, I'm an employee but not speaking on behalf of the company, just trying to be helpful and shed some light on things.
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The way it works with AT&T here is that you may get a $500 phone for $100 with a two year contract, but a stipulation of the contract is a $350 declining early contract termination fee. That way they're covered if you do decide to take it elsewhere. If a phone is blacklisted, it will fry your sim card almost immediately when you try to use it in that phone. Keep in mind, I'm an employee but not speaking on behalf of the company, just trying to be helpful and shed some light on things.
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really did not know that ,thanks for the info
I was going to buy another bell Z1 for my gf but apparently bell does not allow Sony store to sell the phone without activating it.
so i was going to buy rogers Z1 and unlock it but they told me unlocking rogers phone will void warranty.
basically this is what they are saying. Rogers Z1 is 100CAD cheaper than unlocked Z1(699+tax), meaning i am loaning (yes he said it! WTH i am paying the full price) the device from rogers even if i do pay the full price rogers ask for no commitment device price.
I argued with them that what if I go to Sony service center directly when i need warranty, and they said Sony mobile dept won't be able to perform any service if it's carrier locked phone because Sony sold all the rights to service providers that i have to go through the provider warranty to get it figured out, then they can send it to Sony to fix it.....
they also said if i unlock the phone, they will not accept it for return or exchange even if it's bad unit in brand new condition.(exchange policy is usually 30min talk time or 15 days, whichever is earlier)
are these guys trying to sell me an unlocked Z1 which cost 100 bucks more? or is it true that they are saying?
ps. when i went to samsung service center about 6 months ago with broken LCD on s4, they didn't even asked which provider i am with, but just asked for the proof of purchase. I guess if everything that they said is true then Sony canada is not taking responsibility for their phone?!!!!
I am so glad i didn't buy C6903 originated from HK because it looks like there's no way in hell sony canada will provide coverage for it.
Unlocking the bootloader cos the warranty. But you are talking about aim unlocking (I think) that may void any carrier warranty but (afaik) will not void any warranty from Sony
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I bought a used at&t moto x 2014 from eBay. It didn't come with the original box, paperwork, and accessories. The ESN is clean and I was able to unlock it buying an unlock code. I checked the moto x website and registered the device on their website. I noticed that it has a 1 year warranty and will expire on December 2015. My question is, if anything happens to my phone (drop, hardware or software issue) in the future. Will I be able to get it repaired or get a replacement? I live on Guam, which is a US territory.
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Probably not. As far as I know, Motorola's warranty is nontransferable. Apple is one of the only electronic manufacturers who's warranty follows the device and not the owner. You'll likely have to pay for any repairs.
Edit: Just checked, one of the first lines in the warranty policy states that it extends only to the first consumer purchaser of the device and is nontransferable. So you're not covered and will be responsible for all repair costs.
Hey hows everyone? I bought a phone about 2 months ago, it was working fine last night. When i woked up it dndt had service I called t mobile from my mothers phone and they said that the phone has been blocked or blacklisted. I think if im not wrong there is a way to fix this. Anyone please?
Well if the phone had been blacklisted BY T-MOBILE I could only assume you can't get service on that phone assuming it's something they've done on their end... I may be wrong but if a carrier is blacklisting your device and thus you are no longer getting service it is something being done on their end to block your service.
Same thing happened to me. Bought a second hand Nexus 4, used it for 3 months, then it stops. It was on a delinquent T-Mobile plan. I called them up & they said all I could due was contact the original owner. Sorry for your luck. That is what I hate about t-mobile.
I'm pretty sure you can use the phone on AT&T, but this why it's important to check the imei with the carrier before buying a used phone. You bought a stolen phone, either stolen from T-Mobile or a person and all the carriers respond to that by blacklisting the device. There's nothing to be done though beyond appealing to the original owner, even if you offer to pay what the other person owes.
Unfortunately, checking the imei isn't enough. The Nexus I had had a clean imei. The original owner quit paying on the phone 3 months later. It is a problem with T-Mobiles device payment plan. All other carriers require a phone to be fully payed off before removing from your account, except T-Mobile.
If you are technically inclined you could "swap" an imei from another phone but this practice can be illegal in many many ways, there are legal ways to do it but you have to be careful. Otherwise the blacklist is now a collaboration between the major cell carriers in the US aka the big 4, so it is not likely your phone will work on any carrier in the states. Probably the best you can hope hope for is to flip it to someone at a discount who wants it as a wifi only device or to someone who can use it for parts, or you could lie like the other guy did and not tell someone its blacklisted, although this too is immoral and possibly illegal.
just go on ebay, there's a few people you can pay on there to remove the blacklist.
http://www.androidrooter.com/
he has mail in service as well as remote service.
i have used him in the past with great success.
he is located in northern new jersey
That sucks.
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